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This thread is here to answer any questions Wrestlehut posters may have about Our Gay Sport(s), and to help them understand what the hell we are talking about. I'm going to start with Mixed Martial Arts, since it is the most popular and also the one I know the most about.  What is MMA?- MMA is a sport in which combatants use techniques from numerous martial arts to defeat their opponent. In MMA striking and grappling techniques are both allowed, and there are 3 main ways to win- knockout/TKO, submission, or judges decision. Despite what ignorant pundits will say, MMA is a closely regulated sport with a clearly defined set of rules designed to minimize danger to the participants. (see “The Rules” below) The History- The full history of mixed martial arts would take forever to fully type out, but this article from Bloody Elbow does a pretty good job of hitting the important notes. TLDR: Vale Tudo was fought in Brazil throughout the late 20th century. The UFC started in 1993 as a tournament that pitted different one dimensional fighting styles against each other, pro-wrestling in Japan evolved to shoot fighting and eventually MMA in the mid to late 90s, and then JMMA busted around 2006 as stars faded and fad-loving masses got bored. Zuffa bought the UFC in 2001 and implemented a tournament-like policy regarding match making that built stars based on talent, helping to legitimize the sport. The Promotions- Major League - UFC- The biggest, most successful promotion, with the superstar roster to match. Most of the big names (with a few notable exceptions) fight for the UFC. They promoted 24 events last year with 15 being PPV and the rest being free on SPIKE or Versus. They also produce The Ultimate Fighter reality show which is largely responsible for the current boom in MMA. The promotion was saved from certain death when it was bought by parent company Zuffa in 2001, which is owned by brothers Frank and Lorenzo Fertitta, and the UFC President, Dana White. PRIDE- Went belly up in ‘07 after numerous scandals and tons of amazing fights. PRIDE was extremely popular amongst hardcore MMA fans, and for good reason. Their unique rule set, elaborate production values, questionable officiating, and interesting matchmaking became a hallmark of big time Japanese MMA. Their content and some fighter contracts were bought out by Zuffa. WEC - Now defunct, the WEC was used by Zuffa to build their 135 and 145 pound divisions before merging them into the UFC. They showed excellent cards for free on VS, and while completely ignored by mainstream media, produced some of the most exciting fights ever. B League - Strikeforce- The default #2 US MMA promotion, Strikeforce offers non-exclusive contracts that appeal to bad fighters, crooks, and Alistair Overeem, giving them a large talent pool that is impossible to work with. It wasn't always this way, though: fatherdog posted:Once upon a time, Scott Coker decided to put together a small regional MMA promotion to make money off of local ticket sales based on building local names and signing whatever mid-level draws were available. For years, they grew steadily on strong gate receipts and popular draws from the San Jose area. Then they took over the tattered remnants of EliteXC, and like everything tainted by the slimy touch of Gary Shaw, things rapidly went downhill. DREAM- The offspring of the former K1 MMA promotion and the former staff of PRIDE. They are finanaced by FEG, who also promote the K1 brand. It seems like FEG is on the verge of collapse, and big time Japanese MMA might go with it. Bellator- A relatively new, television based promotion that has season long tournaments with events scattered around the US each week for a few months. They have upgraded from ESPN Deportes to FSN to now MTV2 and put on interesting, fun and, more importantly, free cards that you won't watch. Others: Sengoku, Shark Fights, Tachi Palace Fights The Rules- Here’s the Cliff Note version from UFC.com UFC.com posted:
Bear in mind- some organizations have slightly different rules- for example in many Japanese MMA orgs, kicking an opponent in the head on the ground is alright, but elbows to the head are illegal. In Strikeforce, it is illegal to throw elbows on the ground, because their movie star ex-champion does not want his face uglied. The Fighters- As a new fan, you may wonder, “What fighters should I look out for?” Well wonder no more. I’ll go ahead and list the top 10 fighters in each weight class according to bloodyelbow.com (as of Feb 1st, 2011), as well as any recommendations I may have. Take these rankings with a grain of salt- no ranking system is perfect- in fact every top ten list ever made loving blows. Just use these lists as a reference for fighters you should check out if you have some time. Heavyweight (Over 205 lbs) code:Light Heavyweight (186-205 lbs) code:Middleweight (171-185 lbs) code:Welterweight (156-170 lbs) code:Other guys to watch- Dan Hardy, Jake Ellenberger, Chris Lytle Lightweight (146-155 lbs) code:Other guys to watch- Clay Guida, Takanori Gomi, Melvin Guillard, Anthony Pettis Featherweight (136-145 lbs) code:Other guys to watch- Rani Yahya, Mike Thomas Brown, Joe Warren Bantamweight (126-135 lbs) code:Other guys to watch- Masakazu Imanari, Demetrious Johnson, Damacio Page Flyweight (up to 125) Flyweight is current not a division in any major promotion, with Shooto and Tachi Palace Fights putting on the most matches. The UFC will eventually get around to picking this weight class up, but currently these little dudes get even littler paychecks. code:No Love For The Ladies? What can I say about Women's MMA? First off, the talent pool just isn't there. It's impossible to create full divisions like the ones you see with men. This is the main reason that we'll never see women in the UFC. Strikeforce has been giving a rather half-hearted attempt to start some divisions, and Bellator has put on a tournament. Unfortunately these meager offerings by US promotors in the last few years are far more credible and relevant than anything done prior. That said- here are some girls to look out for in no particular order, off the top of my head. 145 lbs. Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos (Strikeforce Champ) 135 lbs. Marloes Coenen (Strikeforce Champ) Sarah Kaufman Roxy Modaferri Miesha Tate Shayna Baszler 125 lbs. Tara LaRosa 115 lbs. Zoila Frausto(Bellator Champ) Megumi Fujii The Fights every MMA fan must see (according to a bunch of goons) I'm going to try to edit in as many of these as I can find  Watch this goddamn fightKazuo Misaki vs. Jorge Santiago 2 - watch it Fedor/Nogueira 1 Nogueira/Sapp Matsui-Schrijber Tank/Vitor Yuki Nakai/Gerard Gordeau Pete Williams/Coleman Couture-Sylvia Rampage/Arona Nog/Fedor 2 Rampage/Wandy 2 GSP/Hughes 3 Hunt/Crocop A second space devoted to all of Hunt's other fights Rampage/Chuck Wandy/Chuck Anderson/Franklin 2 Hughes/Gracie Space devoted to all of Igor Vovchanchyn's fights before he began a gnarled mess of calcified hands. Frye/Takayama Guida/Huerta Barnett/Nog Fedor/Crocop Rutten/Kohsaka Sylvia/Nog Liddell/Silva Babalu/Heath Shogun vs Nogueira Rampage vs Silva II Nogueira vs Crocop Fedor vs Crocop Karo vs Sanchez Ninja vs Sperry Sakuraba vs Newton Gomi vs CRUSHER Hansen vs Alvarez (Fight of the Year 2008) part 2 Nick Diaz vs Diego Sanchez Roger Huerta vs Clay Guida Tyson Griffin vs Clay Guida Joachim Hansen vs Luis Azeredo Tyson Griffin/Frankie Edgar Kazuo Misaki vsYoshihiro Akiyama Torres vs Maeda Diaz/Gomi Diaz/Lawler Diaz/Parisyan Gomi/Pulver Edgar/Maynard 2 Silva/Sonnen Henderson/Pettis Links- MMA Blog Aggregator - See everyone's headlines on one page! MMAjunkie - Reliable, professional(comparatively), boring. Sherdog - Poorly written, terrible analysis, the worst community. The most popular site, and sometimes worthwhile content comes from here. BloodyElbow - Once the best MMA blog on the net, now on a crash course to being worse than Sherdog. Great depth of coverage and speed, though. There are several discussion threads here on SA, broken down by sport and promotion: UFC general discussion B-league MMA(anything that's not Zuffa owned ) K-1 kickboxing Boxing Grappling Overeem Chat We also try to put up gameday threads when there's a card happening for general low content posts. Chat with goons in #MMA on irc.synirc.net Mons Public fucked around with this message at 12:59 on Mar 30, 2011 |
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 What is K-1? Much like the UFC, K-1 was born in the early 90's, consisting of style vs style bouts organised by the Seidokaikan karate organisation with the aim of finding out which standup fighting style was strongest. The answer? Well probably Muay Thai but they're all pretty good except Taekwondo. After using freakshow fights to temporarily boost ratings, K1's popularity died and focus returned to fights. The last few years have been awesome, and if you're just getting into it now, you missed out. K1's parent company FEG is running on empty, but the K1 brand is still strong and if worse comes to worst, someone will probably buy the name at least. Also, It's Showtime puts on some great cards. What are the rules? The rules are actually CONTINUOUSLY CHANGED FROM EVENT TO EVENT BEHIND THE SCENES. No rules meeting regarding the clinch is ever the same. In general, however:
What are the weight classes? Super heavyweight: Above 100kg Heavyweight: Under 100kg Despite these two divisions having separate championship events, the talent is not segregated and a yearly contest is held for the super-heavyweight GP crown. There is no heavyweight GP crown. MAX Divisions Middleweight: Under 70kg Lightweight: Under 60kg Lightweight is a new addition to MAX, it's not really a fully fledged division. MAX's popularity is at an all time low, mainly due to the retirement of heartthrob Masato, and Kid Yamamoto being a human being who isn't good at fighting. K1 also puts on Regional tournaments and Child Abuse tournaments (Koushien). Have a list of cool fights that I should watch? Yes. Coitus and Duncan have compiled some awesome fights and further explanation of what K-1 is all about. Read that post, watch the fights, be amazed. Are there any non-K1 kickboxing promotions? Yes, but few that are noteworthy. It's Showtime is a Dutch organization that has been putting on high level cards, and then there is random stuff like S-Cup, but most are tiny compared to K1. Links Headkick Legend - Blog with the largest coverage and consistent updates. Nightmare of Battle - Japanese MMA and K-1 blog K-1 Official Site - is now regularly updated with news and features, check it out! It's all really lame but support the effort. K-1 Youtube Channel - home of cool poo poo K-1 Twitter - if you're some kind of dork. K-1 Fans Forum - register here for some delightful surprises! There is a site that always has fights, you should pick up the name if you read the threads at all  And that's it. If you're new to all this, MAX is really the premiere product. Watch it. Mons Public fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Feb 2, 2011 |
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 What Is Boxing? Boxing is one of the oldest sports in the history of the world. I mean come on it's two men punching each other in the face who doesn't like to watch that? It has developed over the years into the sport we know today. The Rules In 1867 the Marquess of Queensberry made the rules that are still followed in boxing to this day.
Of course there have been slight modifications here and there but that's about the gist of a boxing match. Two men punching each other, with as little clinching as possible, until the end of all the rounds or a ko/tko happens. The Punches
The Stances A boxers stance is very important to which of his punches will have more power and what type of punches it will be easier for him to get hit with. Generally stance isn't really a big decider unless a southpaw has a huge problem with straight rights.
Every boxer has their own style but they can be categorized into 5 archetypes.
What is the current state of boxing? Why is a sport with so much history and cultural significance on the decline? It's really just greedy promoters and stupid alphabet soup organizations. The way boxing works today is that if you're a champion you have to pay a fee to the organization that you hold the belt for if you're going to defend it and so does your opponent. So that basically makes titles meaningless at this point because who honestly wants to pay 50k to fight some scrub that is up in the rankings and a mandatory fight for him? This is how the alphabet soup titles all came to be. This is why the rankings for none of the titles matter either as they just want a guy that will pay them and they can force the champ to mandatorily defend against. Those are the ranking issues. Then the managerial issues are that boxing is run by greedy assholes with bigger egos than the fighters. When you have two top guys that everyone wants to see fight (Floyd v Manny) and they are under different promotion banners it becomes a pissing match to see who can get who to concede to more. This is why a lot of fights don't get made. Then there is the protection factor where managers will keep their fighter fighting journeymen to pad their record so they can get a title shot. Leaving legitimate threats to the top without fights (Paul Williams was in this situation for a long time). These are the major problems with boxing as I see it. What could remedy all this? An organization like the UFC might work but then you'll end up with tons of others popping up and none of the top guys fighting again. The UFC situation won't work unless you are hyper dominant and that won't happen unless someone wants to invest billions. Maybe a TV deal like the ABC one and every Friday night or whatever but people just won't watch. I think the onus is on boxers to stand out and make change like Floyd did when he refused to pay the fee to defend his belt. It's just a very difficult situation. The Fighters This is the rings pound for pound list and includes some of the best guys at various weights. I'm not going to include rankings for each weight class because there are too many and I'm lazy but I will link you to the ring rankings.
The Fights Here are some fights that you can look up to get you started in watching boxing there's a seriously long history to this sport so I'm just going to cherry pick some of my favorite fights. Jack Johnson vs James J. Jeffries Jess Willard vs Jack Dempsey Jack Dempsey vs Gene Tunney Joe Louis vs Max Schmeling 1-2 Joe Louis vs Billy Conn Jersey Joe Walcott vs Ezzard Charles 1-3 Jersey Joe Walcott vs Rocky Marciano Rocky Marciano vs Archie Moore Floyd Patterson vs Ingemar Johansson 1-3 Cassius Clay vs Sonny Liston 1-2 Muhammad Ali vs Joe Frazier 1-3 Muhammad Ali vs George Foreman Muhammad Ali Vs Earnie Shavers Tommy Hearns vs Roberto Duran Tommy Hearns vs Marvin Hagler Tommy Hearns vs Sugar Ray Leonard 1 Sugar Ray Leonard vs Roberto Duran 1-2 Hector Macho Camacho vs Edwin Rosario Hector Macho Comacho vs Sugar Ray Leonard Mike Tyson vs Trevor Berbick Mike Tyson vs Donovan Razor Ruddock 1-2 Pernel Whitaker vs Oscar De La Hoya Pernel Whitaker vs Julio Cesar Chavez Oscar De La Hoya vs Felix Trinidad Naseem Hamed vs Kevin Kelly Naseem Hamed vs Marco Antonio Barrera Macro Antonio Barrera vs Erik Morales 1-3 Erik Morales Vs Manny Pacquiao 1-2 Israel Vasquez vs Rafael Marquez 1-3 Micky Ward vs Arturo Gatti 1-3 Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Emmanuel Augustus Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Diego Corales Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Jose Luis Castillo 1-2 Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Zab Judah Zab Judah vs Kostya Tszyu Kostya Tszyu vs Diosbelys Hurtado Kostya Tszyu vs Ricky Hatton Ricky Hatton vs Floyd Mayweather Jr. Ricky Hatton vs Manny Pacquiao Miguel Cotto vs Manny Pacquiao Miguel Cotto vs Paulie Malinaggi Sergei Liakhovich vs Shannon Briggs Sergei Liakhovich vs Lamon Brewster Wladimir Klitschko vs Lamon Brewster 1-2 Links FightNews - upcoming fight schedule, Fighter rankings BoxingScene - news and articles Bad Left Hook - blog BoxRec - fighter records Mons Public fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Feb 3, 2011 |
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If anyone wants to add anything, send me a PM and I'll put it here.
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Save Russian Jews posted:This really is a badass OP. RobBorer, you have outdone that time you posted about that thing that was memorable which I have now forgotten. never forget Mr. Carlisle posted:Is Gina Carano still fighting or did she go into the acting thing full time? She was the only reason I saw to have an interest in Strikeforce She's a pretty big draw, so the Strikeforce president will imply that she'll return sometime in the near future, but she was absolutely crushed in her last fight and she's making bank right now not getting punched in the face. She's long gone.
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KidDynamite posted:If no one wants to do a post for boxing I'll write one up during work tomorrow. I PMed The Ninth Layer to see if he wanted to do a write up, mainly because he started the boxing thread. I was going to throw up some stuff tomorrow, but I'm just a casual boxing fan. If you want to do one, go for it.
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KidDynamite posted:Boxing Post Added to the OP. It would be nice if someone could write a Current History part that explains the situation that boxing is in right now and a little history that told how it got that way. I know the gist of it, but I'd rather someone who follows the sport closely explain it.
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KidDynamite posted:I'd like to here is anyone else has any thoughts as to what could be done to fix boxing. Start a new sport that is the exact same thing as boxing, but uses 4 ounce gloves, 3 rounds of 3 minutes, and uses MMA weight classes. Get on HBO, and use a tournament system with exclusive contracts. Sign young talent and build stars while establishing a new culture. So basically UFC with none of that gay poo poo.
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That list is from an old thread 3 years ago and I just put a few recent fights on it. I'll add more later.
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Gramps posted:Thanks for giving me credit for my old rear end thread that you plagarized half of your op from ya douche :shakefist: At least I admitted it: RobBorer posted:Hey, I made a thread. It's mostly just me plagiarizing from other threads. If anyone has anything to add, let me know. I was actually going to just repost your whole OP, but then I realized that everything had changed so I updated it a bit.
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It may be a good idea to have fight breakdowns and small fighter bios for this weekend's GDT so WrestleFolk who are interested know what's going on.
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Ghost Head posted:I just watched a couple of k-1 matches on yt between Andy Hug and Mike Bernardo. I think I'm an Andy Hug fan. I like his silly name, the fact that he looks like an action movie star and his video game moveset (AN AXE KICK!?). The second fight was kind of anti-climactic though. He just kicked the dude's legs til he couldn't stand anymore. Son, take a seat. We have to have a talk. 
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nationalista posted:What the hell has happened to Heath Herring? Not that I particularly give a poo poo, but he hasn't fought since getting rodeo'd by Brock Lesnar. Coming over from Pride, he was highly thought of, despite not having any great skills. He almost beat Nogueira in their third fight, he beat Kongo pretty decisively(and this was before Kongo was a joke), and it seemed like he was only getting better. Unfortunately the Heavyweight Division went from being a huge joke to a slightly less huge joke and he went from contender to gatekeeper pretty fast. Combine that with him getting roles in B movies that paid just as well as fighting, and Herring decided to retire. quote:Also, was Matt Hughes as big a favourite going on to the Royce Gracie fight as I imagine he might have been? I wasn't watching at the time, so it's hard for me to gauge at what stage of their career each fighter was at when that fight happened. For most people, it was pretty obvious that Hughes was going to win. He was huge compared to Royce, had great wrestling and had been a dominant champion for years.
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Jack of Hearts posted:Why are heavyweight boxers such a big deal while heavyweight MMA fighters are The Worst? clearly you don't watch boxing
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I remember there was this one tournament on a rope bridge above some spikes and when the guy got KOed he was uppercutted down to the spikes and the winner got bonus points.
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Feb 12, 2011 13:46
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i hang out on ebaums and been peepin that maddox guy
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Maha posted:What counts as a "heavy strike" for the purpose of scoring? Can body shots/leg kicks? I assume that you are talking about the stats that they show in between rounds for strikeforce. Those are compiled by a company called Compustrike and have no bearing on the judges whatsoever. For whatever reason, promoters think that showing the audience stats helps legitimize the sports and make it more accessible. They aren't meaningful. It's literally just a dude cageside with a clicker who decides when a strike counts and how important it is. The stats are pretty much always wrong.
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Are there any openly gay fighters of note? With the number of people in combat sports I'm sure there are plenty, but are there any who talk about it?
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henkman posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oCnqy8Klaw you're an idiot
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Haraksha posted:I've never understood why goons got so bent out of shape about Sylvia loving with the belt on. It seems like a pretty obvious thing to do and if I were champ I'd let everyone know I was doing it too. It's not so much the act as the fact that he publicly talked about it. Also he's gross.
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fawker posted:I am no expert, but I wouldn't be too surprised if the reason Tito hasnt really been knocked out cold may be because he has a big rear end gorilla skull that protects his brain much better than any human engineered helmet ever could. It’s hard not to be in awe of Tito Ortiz's head. So imperious in its shape and proportions. So defiantly unbowed. So … well, frankly, so unbelievably mammoth.
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I also think a big part of it is how important each individual fight is to a fighter who's fighting at the top level. You get around 2-4 fights a year, and if you start taking those fights when you have an fairly serious injury, then your entire career could be affected. Football players get injured constantly, and they're notorious for playing through a lot of them, but they have a season of 16 games over 17 weeks. They need to get out there and play during that time, whereas a fighter can postpone a fight 8 weeks and come back healthy.
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Julio Cesar Fatass posted:Is there reliable source for non-UFC fighter pay info? In the US, the athletic commissions are the ones who release the pay info. They do it for all sanctioned fights, it's just that the MMA Media only reports UFC and maybe Strikeforce/Bellator.
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cisneros posted:What's the difference between a british and an american double? Realtalk: they aren't two different wrestling moves, it's a joke on how the UK doesn't have a wrestling tradition, so fighters from there tend to be understandably worse at wrestling than their American counterparts.
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what about matt brown vs footstomps drago
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it was a pretty awkward few weeks when he dated wanderlei
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Read the Fedor thread from this post until he gets banned, but don't actually read that post.
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Bluedeanie posted:This is the best place to ask this I think. It is not so much about MMA as it is about we fans who post here. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=herb
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