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I was reading in BJ Penn's book that he basically got his black belt within 3 or 4 years of training. Is this because hes loving ridiculous and talented or did he have some sort of weird Hawaiian grappling background that helped him a lot.
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Feb 25, 2011 17:46
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He's the Prodigy.
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Feb 25, 2011 17:47
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BJ is ridiculously talented, and also he was training full time, 6-7 days a week and often twice a day.
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Feb 25, 2011 17:53
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fawker posted:I was reading in BJ Penn's book that he basically got his black belt within 3 or 4 years of training. Is this because hes loving ridiculous and talented or did he have some sort of weird Hawaiian grappling background that helped him a lot.
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Feb 25, 2011 17:53
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Didn't Jonathon Torres get his Black Belt in something like 4 years? He was also in high school at the time and not rich so I like his fast black belt story better than BJ's.
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Feb 25, 2011 17:58
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Ryan Hall became a BB in like 4-5 years. It is really not that ridiculous considering the amount of mat time you get training 5-6 days a week, 2x a day. You also have mental factors, they have studied athletes/musicians/whatever and found that time thinking about a skill is almost equal to the time actually practicing it. Bj and Hall talk about being obsessed with jiu-jitsu and thinking about it basically 16 hours a day. It took me 3 1/2 years to get to purple, under a very stingy teacher, because I was in college and had the time/will to train and study bjj a poo poo ton, probably twice as much as I actually did or thought about anything else. I have 2 friends who basically did the same thing, which helped because I had training partners to drill and practice with basically as often as I wanted.
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Feb 25, 2011 18:11
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To illustrate the other side of things, if you are awkward, gangly, unathletic, and a poor visual learner like I am and do to things like work and moving can't get to the gym often, you could study BJJ for 5 years and be barely a 2 stripe white belt like me.
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Feb 25, 2011 21:50
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as an aside I wasn't trying to brag about that or anything, just pointing out that situations and opportunities are a real factor.
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Feb 25, 2011 21:53
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fawker posted:I was reading in BJ Penn's book that he basically got his black belt within 3 or 4 years of training. Is this because hes loving ridiculous and talented or did he have some sort of weird Hawaiian grappling background that helped him a lot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peUo8qrD0-c
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Feb 26, 2011 01:22
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Xguard86 posted:as an aside I wasn't trying to brag about that or anything, just pointing out that situations and opportunities are a real factor. 100X this, look, bjj is expensive, but if you have a legit black belt in your area, you need to buck up, spend the money, and train like its a job while you are physically able and your job allows it. You need to tell your girl, look, Ill be home, but two hours later and ill be tired. You have to train while you can, before you cannot. The path to black belt lies in dedication, mat time and tournament time. its really that simple, I mean look at that girl Hillary Williams, sacrafices social life and normal womanhood, BB in <5 years. It can be done, are you man enough?
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Feb 26, 2011 01:37
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Everyone is different and every school is different so there is no definitive timeline but I got my blue belt relatively fast for my school and it took me exactly 1 year of training 5-6 times per week and I was training pretty seriously. So 6-9 months is unusual at my school unless you have prior grappling experience. That said Gunnar Nelson got his blackbelt at our school after only 4 years of training but Gunnar also got 4th place in ADCC absolute, silver in mundials and gold in both gi and no gi Pan Ams at brown belt level so the blackbelt was well deserved.
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Feb 26, 2011 02:08
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The amount of time it takes to get a blue belt is pretty nice. I appreciate the fact that it takes a certain amount of time and dedication rather than just passing some arbitrary test. On the other hand it makes me sad, because unless I move somewhere else on a permanent basis, I'll never be anything but a BJJ white belt, no matter how much time I put in.
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Feb 26, 2011 02:13
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Bohemian Nights posted:The amount of time it takes to get a blue belt is pretty nice. I appreciate the fact that it takes a certain amount of time and dedication rather than just passing some arbitrary test. On the other hand it makes me sad, because unless I move somewhere else on a permanent basis, I'll never be anything but a BJJ white belt, no matter how much time I put in. The belt really does not have any value. All it typically means is a teacher has recognized the time you put in and your skill level. If you have the skills to back it up, wear your own blue belt and compete in blue belt divisions. (Or compete in blue belt divisions as a white belt.) I remember reading an account from a purple belt in BJJ how he was training with this wrestler in Germany and he just awarded himself his own black belt just so he could compete with senior level people in BJJ tournaments. (Also to kind of troll the people he had sparred with tapped out. After all if they can't beat him, why all the mystique to being a black belt in BJJ?) I have not confirmed such a story, so take it with a grain of salt. No one can argue with results. Senor P. fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Feb 26, 2011 |
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Feb 26, 2011 02:20
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Point taken, but you wouldn't be a LEGIT blue belt. This might not have any practical value in itself, but let me use my own instructor as an example. He's a traditional jujitsu brown belt who's been training on and off for 17 (maybe 18) years now, and his grappling is pretty drat decent. He wanted to compete in the Norwegian open championships (which counts as an IBJJF competition, I believe), and did well in the advanced nogi, but they wouldn't let him compete above white belt level with a gi, because he had never been graded by anyone in BJJ. It's not a problem for him anymore, since he trained for a month at Roger Gracie's academy in London and was awarded a blue belt by Roger's dad. Norway is a small place, and I'm not sure if you can get away with awarding yourself a blue belt.
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Feb 26, 2011 02:35
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Yeah that is a little unfortunate, and while the demarcation between gi and no gi competition and what's expected to be able to compete at a certain level in each can be frustrating in a situation like that I've definitely had things go the other way. On the one hand particularly small purple belts at our school might as well not show up for smaller tournaments because odds are there's going to be one or perhaps two competitors available to them. One purple belt had the pleasure of paying eighty dollars to win his advanced no gi division after beating the same guy twice (there was a third person in the division but he lost to the other guy). At a lot of tournaments winning your division at blue belt is at least as impressive as doing so at brown belt just because of the number of matches you have to get through at blue. On the other hand sometimes you get somebody who wanders into the advanced no gi division because they want to put in on their business card or whatever and then you feel like you're wasting your time and money anyway. Sooooo, yeah, tournaments.
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Feb 26, 2011 03:58
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niethan posted:If someone trys to RNC you just do this shizen posted:how long does it take where I can actually be somewhat competitive with my partners? These were no gi classes so I'm not sure what level they were but I am pretty sure I was the only true beginner there this week. Also, if you feel you are not learning and are just getting your butt kicked, absolutely talk to your partners. Try practicing a particular position, like starting with them in your guard, or you in their guard. Just go until someone is subbed, or the guard was passed, or someone was swept. At that point talk about what happened, try running it again, learn a counter or don't repeat a mistake. You will feel much more constructive and get more out of it, while still experiencing rolling. Plus, since you're still early on, this will give you a chance to get your breath back. I imagine there are people out there who are not into this idea because they are just there to roll, but you can always switch partners and those guys are pretty few and far between.
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Feb 26, 2011 04:46
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Grab Your Foot! posted:At a lot of tournaments winning your division at blue belt is at least as impressive as doing so at brown belt just because of the number of matches you have to get through at blue. I'm a lightweight blue belt under 30. My division always has like 50 guys in it. It's ridiculous. gently caress tournaments I just want to have entertaining singles matches.
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Feb 26, 2011 08:30
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Who Gotch Ya posted:I'm a lightweight blue belt under 30. My division always has like 50 guys in it. It's ridiculous. I'm the same. I went to the No Gi Pan Ams this year and my division had like 46 people in it. ridiculous. You don't always have to do the big tournaments though, doing a small tournament every once in a while can be a good thing. My school does in house tournaments every three months with other local schools which is good for experience. Also, here in NJ there are smaller tournaments like the good fight or mid range like US Grappling which have competitions pretty regularly. I think its a good idea to start off competing small before jumping into one of the bigger tournaments. Rolling with someone in your class and competing in a tournament are two completely different animals, and I think experience really helps.
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Feb 26, 2011 20:44
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Grifter posted:This is actually possible to do (on someone on your back with hooks in). It almost happened to me when I was just starting out and it is very embarrassing. poo poo dude this did happen to me. You know how embarrassing it is to tap out with one of your hooks, from a guy's back? It comes from people showing white belts a simplified RNC, moving like its the macarena, exaggerating the arm movements. I make sure to show it to every white belt, and teach them how to set up the RNC the correct way: tight. So my shame will never be repeated.
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Feb 26, 2011 21:40
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My rear naked choke is so terrible and my spindly nerd arms are so weak, that this is a real threat to me every time I fight a stronger opponent who knows about this movie. My RNC is so terrible that I go for an armbar from the back before I go for the choke 
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Feb 27, 2011 00:49
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Bohemian Nights posted:My rear naked choke is so terrible and my spindly nerd arms are so weak, that this is a real threat to me every time I fight a stronger opponent who knows about this movie. My RNC is so terrible that I go for an armbar from the back before I go for the choke I almost got caught with that before but only got out by spazzzing out. But seriously just rotate your wrist its going to be hard for them to control your arm like that. Also, I have long spindly arms, and the one nice thing is you can do a one armed RNC. Just grab the guys shoulder and inch your arm up to your own neck until you are effectively collar tieing yourself. I tapped some guy with that at my last tourney.
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Feb 27, 2011 01:04
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Can't say I've ever been Seagal'ed like that from back control but I've certainly had the pleasure of getting the poo poo ankle locked out of me when I haven't been paying attention and my feet ended up crossed. On the other hand that's always a habit that you sort of have to beat out of somebody by ankle locking them whenever they do cross their feet, sort of a Pavlovian thing. Getting submitted on someone's back is humiliating enough that you learn pretty quick. As for rear naked chokes, if you're letting your arm hang out enough to get caught like that I can't believe anybody is ever going to let you sink in the choke anyway. Plus because everybody will lock everything down as soon as they have time to think with you on their back you really want to get good at hitting whatever you like (RNC and bow and arrow for me, occasionally an Ezekiel) while transitioning into the position. Or flatten your opponent out belly down and lift their hips, then they're pretty much doomed.
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Feb 27, 2011 01:30
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Does anyone ever do the inverted/reverse/whatever triangle that Braulio did at the ADCCs a couple years ago? I want to do this but I'm having trouble. I can usually get the triangle but it feels very difficult to finish.
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Feb 27, 2011 01:43
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If I never make a post on this forum again it's probably because CortXbomb forever gogoplated me to death, and my dying wish is that someone deletes my search history thanks
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Feb 27, 2011 01:48
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My advice to you is in my username; also wear a gimp mask and fake tap constantly so CXB can pretend to be a palette-swaped Din Thomas. And I I definitely don't hunt for that triangle but the few times I've managed to finish it I completed a kind of a backwards flower sweep to mount with it and a lot of the submission was probably body weight; the one thing I know to do if you can manage that is control a leg.
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Feb 27, 2011 02:07
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Iceman posted:Does anyone ever do the inverted/reverse/whatever triangle that Braulio did at the ADCCs a couple years ago? I want to do this but I'm having trouble. I can usually get the triangle but it feels very difficult to finish. I just had a revelation about this thanks to your picture! I also struggle to finish it but noticed that his left hand holding his right shin pushes Galvao's arm across into the perfect position for the choke. Excellent.
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Feb 27, 2011 02:10
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I was at the Abu Dhabi trials today in Montreal, some highlights: - There was this one blue belt who's go to move was a flying armbar. He caught two guys with it and in his third match, he attempted three failed flying armbars. Each time he failed, he ended up in guard, got back to his feet and then went for another flying armbar. On this third failed attempt, he had his guard passed and his opponent moved into mount and ended up winning on points. On a related note, one of the girls also hit a nice flying armbar. - Toronto BJJ had by far the best showing of the tournament. They seem to have a unique game that emphasizes leglocks. A bunch of straight ankle lock finishes at the lower levels and one of their brown belts hit a rolling calf crush against a Gracie Barra black belt from the turtle position. - There was this one purple belt from BTT Canada that had an absolutely insane guard game. He had long spidery legs and would just decimate guys in his guard. I wonder how you break guards on guys with those types of attributes. - Weirdest guard game I've seen, Alessandro Roman (came in 4th at no-gi worlds purple belt division, 2nd at the Euros last month as a blue belt). Another guy with really long legs. He would pull half guard and then switch to De La Riva. Instead of attempting a sweep from the DLR however, he would turn his rear end towards his opponent and end up upside down with one leg in between his opponent's legs and the other on the shoulder or the hips somewhere. Eventually, he would take the guy's back and finish with a bow and arrow choke. If the back take failed, he would end up in a 50/50 guard or an upside down 50/50. Really weird guard game; he was catching a bunch of guys with it. Unfortunately, he was disqualified for reaping the knee in his semi-final match.
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Feb 27, 2011 02:43
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After watching BJ Penn fight earlier tonight, I noticed how ridiculously flexible his hips were. Is this something that NORMAL people could eventually acheive or are you pretty much limited by what you're born with.
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Feb 27, 2011 07:40
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Iceman posted:Does anyone ever do the inverted/reverse/whatever triangle that Braulio did at the ADCCs a couple years ago? I want to do this but I'm having trouble. I can usually get the triangle but it feels very difficult to finish. Sometimes I can get a kimura from there.
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Feb 27, 2011 08:43
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fawker posted:After watching BJ Penn fight earlier tonight, I noticed how ridiculously flexible his hips were. Kinda both, BJ is naturally flexible but he's said before that he was to work at it and that he stretches every day. There are natural limits to what you can do safety based on the depth and angle of the hip joints though. quote:- Weirdest guard game I've seen, Alessandro Roman (came in 4th at no-gi worlds purple belt division, 2nd at the Euros last month as a blue belt). Another guy with really long legs. He would pull half guard and then switch to De La Riva. Instead of attempting a sweep from the DLR however, he would turn his rear end towards his opponent and end up upside down with one leg in between his opponent's legs and the other on the shoulder or the hips somewhere. Eventually, he would take the guy's back and finish with a bow and arrow choke. If the back take failed, he would end up in a 50/50 guard or an upside down 50/50. Really weird guard game; he was catching a bunch of guys with it. Unfortunately, he was disqualified for reaping the knee in his semi-final match. Do you have any video of this? It sounds kinda like Spiral Guard or Cyborg's Tornado Guard but I'm having trouble visualizing it.
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Feb 27, 2011 22:25
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How does one compete as a purple belt one day then compete as a blue at the next competition? How is this not sandbagging?
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Feb 27, 2011 22:54
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Rids! posted:How does one compete as a purple belt one day then compete as a blue at the next competition? How is this not sandbagging? Sandbagging isn't illegal. You can always compete up unless there are specific restrictions on it.
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Feb 27, 2011 23:30
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huh posted:I just had a revelation about this thanks to your picture! I try to do this poo poo nonstop, no luck yet (~*white beltz*~)
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Feb 28, 2011 02:41
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fawker posted:After watching BJ Penn fight earlier tonight, I noticed how ridiculously flexible his hips were. In what little prep I've done BEFORE I'm even doing BJJ, it's all in the work. E.Bravo, regardless of opinions on him, will not give out a BB to someone who isn't insanely flexible because it's so key to your guard and his techniques. I can get my legs pefectly flat after a few months stretching, just takes some time.
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Feb 28, 2011 04:14
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Someone from 50/50 gym tagged this pic as jake makenzie on facebook, i saved it cause i knew it was important, now might be the time to post it in this thread, white belts, take heed, this is coming from ryan hall and his crew, the real deal.
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Feb 28, 2011 04:29
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That doesn't look anything like Jake Mackenzie. And while jiu jitsu will definitely improve your flexibility over time the white board is right in that flexibility, while a valuable tool in jiu jitsu, shouldn't be the basis of your game and being too flexible can actually slow down your development. Hall feels that way about himself, that he was so flexible that he didn't develop his pass defense and his top game enough early on and when he began to compete against the very best he couldn't get away with it any more. Being flexible provides you with options and allows you to get away with some things but you're better off if you learn how to not have to get away with them. On the other hand I do wish I could omoplata people who have me in side control.
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Feb 28, 2011 04:56
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Grab Your Foot! posted:Being flexible provides you with options and allows you to get away with some things but you're better off if you learn how to not have to get away with them. On the other hand I do wish I could omoplata people who have me in side control. I think thats the best approach to grappling. No matter what your strengths are concentrate on learning every position. I have really long legs and because of that people wouldn't get past my guard easily, and I could throw triangles really easy. So, for a long time I didn't learn how to maintain guard or set techniques up properly. Although, I'm still new going back and learning the basics that I skipped learning has really improved my game. I guess the same thing could happen to strong guys, or anyone else with a natural advantage. Also, I'm going to try that omo plata! How does this guy do it? Is it on the arm closest to your head, or the low one? I guess you have to shrimp and get a knee in? I'm going to find the newest guy at practice and do this.
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Feb 28, 2011 05:07
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Can anyone point me toward the match where, I think it was Marcelo Garcia, is riding a big guy around by standing on the back of his knees?
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Feb 28, 2011 08:17
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02-6611-0142-1 posted:Can anyone point me toward the match where, I think it was Marcelo Garcia, is riding a big guy around by standing on the back of his knees? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaUjA0p0xcE
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Feb 28, 2011 08:57
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That's it, thanks.
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