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I keep forgetting to record my rolls to show y'all (and obviously my actual Judo Senseis) but I have been attacking with one step Uchi Mata for weeks now, in every roll, against every BJJ chump that lets me have grips (so lots of chances) and I think I've landed maybe one or two. I get the grips, I hit the one step. i turn and dive my head and shoot up my raises leg and...nothing. I think I'm maybe boyt pulling them forward and then down, but obviously the reason I want to record it is I don't know. Almost always RvL if that matters, attacking their lead leg with my lead leg.
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Jack B Nimble posted:I keep forgetting to record my rolls to show y'all (and obviously my actual Judo Senseis) but I have been attacking with one step Uchi Mata for weeks now, in every roll, against every BJJ chump that lets me have grips (so lots of chances) and I think I've landed maybe one or two. I get the grips, I hit the one step. i turn and dive my head and shoot up my raises leg and...nothing. Assuming it's not just that you're moving too slow and they're sidestepping, it sounds like you have too much separation, either by not rotating deep enough with your plant leg or from not enough pull on their arm.
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Mar 14, 2024 15:19
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In my experience when people aren't landing a specific throw it isn't necessarily because they are doing something wrong with the throw itself, it's because throws need to be done in combinations. Just entering and trying to throw someone without another kind of setup rarely works. If you want to land uchi mata it should be second or third in a sequence.
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Mar 14, 2024 15:31
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I think you're both right, I think if I'd worry them with kouchi or ouchi, and if I introduced more rotation, I'd get better results. I won't give up, I'll keep at it. I'm confident that there's a sort of obfuscation here where I can be getting better at it but it's not readily apparent until I a hit a break point and the throw starts happening; there's just such a gradient of not quite successful throws that can hide that you're getting a bit closer, then one day it's snap hop turn pull BOOM. Clean throws are such a high, and I'm chasing it. Edit: to be clear, they're not really reacting at all except perhaps to base themselves, the BJJ players I roll with kind of just...let me attack, they don't react much unless they're trying their own attacks. That's what leads to my slight frustration; you'd think if someone was just going to stand there and let me launch a turn throw I could get them. Jack B Nimble fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Mar 14, 2024 |
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Mar 14, 2024 15:56
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One of our BBs is a rvl specialist whose main attack is uchi mata. He opens it up with this ouchi that's more of a stomping sliding lunge than a reap or sweep - like a baseball slide that does a level change and hip checks the thigh and gets his posting foot as near as possible to the far, non-targeted foot. The uchi mata immediately follows, and it tends to be a high hip connection for both Tori and uke. Kick rear end entry.
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Mar 14, 2024 17:47
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CommonShore posted:One of our BBs is a rvl specialist whose main attack is uchi mata. He opens it up with this ouchi that's more of a stomping sliding lunge than a reap or sweep - like a baseball slide that does a level change and hip checks the thigh and gets his posting foot as near as possible to the far, non-targeted foot. The uchi mata immediately follows, and it tends to be a high hip connection for both Tori and uke. Kick rear end entry. That sounds very similar to how my Sensei showed me and I only now remember that; I never actually do that, lol. It's remarkable how much I "know" about Judo and then it goes out the window in a roll.
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Mar 14, 2024 17:51
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I've started staying after jiu jitsu class for the muay thai class. Do we have a striking thread anywhere?
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Mar 15, 2024 04:26
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Hellblazer187 posted:I've started staying after jiu jitsu class for the muay thai class. Do we have a striking thread anywhere? Ask/Tells general martial arts thread was what I was using for a minute. No idea if people still post there.
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Mar 15, 2024 04:39
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it's generally pretty dead but people were posting in it recently
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Mar 15, 2024 05:07
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You y'all remember that cartoon where a cat character talks to a mouse that knows judo and the cat says "your judo tricks won't work on me"? I think that terminology should come back.
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Mar 15, 2024 05:12
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Hellblazer187 posted:I've started staying after jiu jitsu class for the muay thai class. Do we have a striking thread anywhere? There's a general martial arts thread that gets a few posts in a good week. They discuss a variety of stuff including striking.
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Mar 15, 2024 13:16
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Thanks everyone! I forgot about the A/T MA thread, but now I'm subscribed to it!
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Mar 15, 2024 18:04
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Jack B Nimble posted:I keep forgetting to record my rolls to show y'all (and obviously my actual Judo Senseis) but I have been attacking with one step Uchi Mata for weeks now, in every roll, against every BJJ chump that lets me have grips (so lots of chances) and I think I've landed maybe one or two. I get the grips, I hit the one step. i turn and dive my head and shoot up my raises leg and...nothing. Hitting it at all is impressive against anyone. I think of One step uchimata as kind of way to really flex your skill on someone. Uchimata is already a very technical throw with a lot of moving parts, and this variation is one of the most athletically demanding techniques in judo. You’re hopping into a one legged power clean with a ~180 degree rotation. There are a dozen ways the technique can miss and be different every time. If you miss the foot placement by an inch you’re not gonna get anything. If your pull is weak, posture is bad, or lose contact with the upper body on the rotation you have a good chance of getting shoved onto your face and having to defend in a turtle position. Make it easier by practicing a setup with ouchi gari. But you have to be able to effectively feint the attack while maintaining good footwork/posture and position. Make sure the feint engages your hips to push/check uke, but keep your lead leg in position to launch the throw. See how the GOAT Inoue attacks twice with ouchi before launching it: https://youtu.be/y6ecF8DfAd0?si=NE2vRM8ovRq7hTSt Edit: if you slow it down you can really see how he times the final throw on hill stepping BACK to regain his balance on his right foot. That’s critical to the whole thing. wedgie deliverer fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Mar 16, 2024 |
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Mar 16, 2024 17:55
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there are ways to make the alignment easier to understand. E.g. you find the angle for uchi mata with your rear end cheek. Point your rear end cheek directly where you want to sweep.
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Mar 16, 2024 18:37
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Why uchimata when harai? The only uchimata i recognize is front uchimata
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Mar 16, 2024 21:56
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Defenestrategy posted:Why uchimata when harai? As someone who is often bigger and/or taller than my opponents, i find myself breaking them down and being on the outside fairly often, where I can snag their outside leg but it would be a reach to really go underneath all the way.
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Mar 16, 2024 23:27
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Defenestrategy posted:Why uchimata when harai? depends on which hip is closer to you.
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Mar 17, 2024 03:14
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Uchimata is very flexible. You can attack different sized players with different angles and variations of throws. Harai has a much more narrow use case. If you really want a good breakdown on a lot of technical knowledge of the throw I can't recommend the Inoue fighting films instructional enough, and they do digital delivery now. He claims to have 8 variations of the throw he uses for different situations if I recall correctly. https://fightingfilms.com/products/kosei-inoue?variant=43839775342851
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Mar 17, 2024 10:38
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Went to a judo open mat today and there was a really high level competitor. I'm rolling with the dude and he's schooling me pretty hard, I'm blown up by the end of the hour, dudes completely fine. He takes off his gi, and what I originally thought was a rash guard was a hoodie, and under that hoodie two pairs of shirts. It was 71 degree's outside, and inside was hotter. This dude was basically stewing himself in his own juices and still wrecking everyone like it wasn't anything. What the gently caress. Like it wasn't as if he was just dicking around either he was moving harder than the rest of us and going for seoi, uchimata, ouchi, sode stuff
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Mar 17, 2024 20:33
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Gets chilly when you're in a big open room without being able to exercise to keep warm 
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Defenestrategy posted:Why uchimata when harai? I was told uchimata is faster, but you have to be on target; you can muscle harai if you have to.
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Mar 18, 2024 13:52
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Whats your guys' most effective way to deal with inverted guard (especially when it comes to skinny dudes who move quickly)? This question can have three approaches in my mind: 1. Attack the legs 2. Attempt to go for the back. 3. Continue to try and pass I would be interested in any of these approaches that were successful for you, because this poo poo is really starting to annoy me.
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Mar 18, 2024 22:12
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Tacos Al Pastor posted:Whats your guys' most effective way to deal with inverted guard (especially when it comes to skinny dudes who move quickly)? This question can have three approaches in my mind: outside passing to north south seems good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B84fa-BhvwY
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Mar 18, 2024 22:54
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Tacos Al Pastor posted:Whats your guys' most effective way to deal with inverted guard (especially when it comes to skinny dudes who move quickly)? This question can have three approaches in my mind: None of the above, I just smash my way in and focus on controlling their hips. Inverted guard is kind of transitional, they need to swivel one way or the other to do anything so if you control the hips you prevent all that. Eventually you can flatten them out.
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Mar 18, 2024 23:01
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Rolling toe hold, youre welcome.
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Number 3 failed before for me because it's what they want and expect you to do. Similar to other suggestions, I've been trying instead to pressure and control the hips and not really care if I pass. Most of the time you can collapse the position into something else. And I'm not a heavy guy so I think it's universally applicable. Going for the legs or diving for their back is the most fun option. So, being honest, I do that most often. Feels reel good to hit a step-over knee bar on upside blue belts like some kind of spetznaz super commando.
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Mar 18, 2024 23:50
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When guys invert I drop my shin on their hamstring and put as much pressure on as I can to control the hips and look to transition into some sort of stack pass or something.
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Mar 19, 2024 00:05
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Mechafunkzilla posted:None of the above, I just smash my way in and focus on controlling their hips. Inverted guard is kind of transitional, they need to swivel one way or the other to do anything so if you control the hips you prevent all that. Eventually you can flatten them out. I read you on that. Xguard86 posted:Feels reel good to hit a step-over knee bar on upside blue belts like some kind of spetznaz super commando. Lookin this up. butros posted:When guys invert I drop my shin on their hamstring and put as much pressure on as I can to control the hips and look to transition into some sort of stack pass or something. Funny Ive actually done this one before, but it kind of hinders on the fact that they spin back around.
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Mar 19, 2024 02:40
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I pin the feet on the mat over their head. They can't stop you from doing it and then they can't move
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Mar 19, 2024 03:46
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i have been training with a split tear and a strain in my right wrist for some time and here is the lesson i've learned: don't have done that, or continue to do it
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Ignoring injury and "training through it" has never gone well for me.
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The problem is always trying to figure out what's "an injury" what's "soreness" and what's just "old and worn out." If I waited until my left shoulder felt "good" to train I'd never train, because I'm 100 years old.
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Hellblazer187 posted:The problem is always trying to figure out what's "an injury" what's "soreness" and what's just "old and worn out." I've got some instability that started in my shoulder a month or so ago and I don't know what's causing it, and I'm still training because it's not actually painful. But it is getting worse, and I'm not a physio, so I don't really know why. I've started trying to strengthen it, we'll see how it goes. Yes, you can't just stop every time something feels weird, but I know if I just ignore it and continue on like nothing's wrong it could get really bad. If my amateurish efforts don't stop it I'll go see a professional.
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Hellblazer187 posted:The problem is always trying to figure out what's "an injury" what's "soreness" and what's just "old and worn out." Monday, as I lay gasping after a round in which I did not much more than lay down and die, my professor remarked on the obvious truth, that I was badly out of shape. I complained that I train five or six times a week and conventional wisdom says the best way to build strength and endurance in your sport is to just do more of your sport. I then mused that I used to do a Tabata program when I was in my early twenties and I had immense stamina, however, I wasn't sure if that was because I was doing the Tabata program or just because I was in my early twenties. Well, I did the program Tuesday morning, could barely walk yesterday, and my legs still don't feel fully recovered today. Last night every roll was slap, bump, lie down and wait for death like a buffalo run down on the Serengeti.
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this week was one of those weeks that I my ego needed to be reminded that a 60 lb size gap is a big deficit.
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Hellblazer187 posted:The problem is always trying to figure out what's "an injury" what's "soreness" and what's just "old and worn out." I thought I had a sore shoulder for a few weeks before realizing it was a tear 
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Has anyone been watching the new season of Physical 100? Dong-hyun Kim is the celebrity contestant, and like many of the grapplers/fighters, he had a very sport-oriented approach to the challenge/game where you want to end up in control of the medicine ball after 3min. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_q4M3AUOLE The usual path to victory in closer matches is someone successfully defending by hugging the ball belly down and preventing their arms from being pryed open. Frequently, attackers try in vain to isolate one arm and pop the ball out. In the highlights, one Greco Olympian did a really dynamic turtle game instead of just sprawling out. Seeing people take a submission grappling approach frustrates me quite a bit, as they spend a lot of time getting control of their opponent's body or base, which frequently doesn't do anything to dislodge the ball or burn their arms. Tell me if I'm off base, but they should try to incorporate their legs more in attacks on the arm, instead of focusing as much on having a sound base. Sure the defender could pop up and escape to stall, but stalling under a back mount chews up just as much time. Wedging one leg between an arm and the ball and then transition into a crucifix, giving them better leverage on both of opponent's arms. Or maybe arm triangling both the defender's legs and pushing on the arm at the elbow with your foot (they get to wear shoes, which should help with grip and stabilizing the foot when stomping/pushing on the arm). I have no idea how much warning contestants have about the show, but gambling on this particular challenge happening again (since it makes for good TV) and practicing it even a little bit to prepare seems reasonable. I'm just a little surprised there doesn't seem to have been any meta development from season 1 to 2.
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Neon Belly posted:I thought I had a sore shoulder for a few weeks before realizing it was a tear I did band pull aparts yesterday, I'm sure my shoulder will be fine forever now.
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kimbo305 posted:I have no idea how much warning contestants have about the show, but gambling on this particular challenge happening again (since it makes for good TV) and practicing it even a little bit to prepare seems reasonable. I'm just a little surprised there doesn't seem to have been any meta development from season 1 to 2. I think You're working under the assumption the ball isn't actually a huge advantage to turtle with. Without a gi to attack, the ball takes up space that would normally be available to attack through. Usually in turtle if you defend your arms your neck exposes and if you attack the neck, the arm exposes, but with the ball in the way there's not that much exposure. I believe that if you wanted a good attack on something like this you'd have to try to deadlift and flip your opponent or flatten them and try to roll them.
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Defenestrategy posted:I think You're working under the assumption the ball isn't actually a huge advantage to turtle with. Without a gi to attack, the ball takes up space that would normally be available to attack through. Usually in turtle if you defend your arms your neck exposes and if you attack the neck, the arm exposes, but with the ball in the way there's not that much exposure. I believe that if you wanted a good attack on something like this you'd have to try to deadlift and flip your opponent or flatten them and try to roll them. Oh, it's definitely an advantage -- it's for sure harder to work on the arms with all the empty space taken up by the ball. It seems pretty soft, so you can really sink your arms into it, too, no matter what position you're in. At least that seems to be the case from the matches they show. Sliding anything under their upper arm is near impossible, but that seems to be the most sure way to keep their arms apart. Hand/wrist control haven't seemed to be that effective -- people can eventually wriggle that limb out and get back to hugging before the attacker can pull/poke the ball loose from the other arm. I haven't seen anyone gable gripping or butterfly gripping to enhance their hold on the ball because maybe they don't even need it to have such a leverage advantage over the attacker. What's unclear to me is what you can do to your opponent. Certainly not any locked in subs. I haven't seen any serious crossfaces or mild neck crank attempts. One person tried deadlifting and slamming the defender onto their arms to see if the discomfort would get them to give up the grip, but nope.
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