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Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.
gonna guess you start to move around less, eat more, eat worse things, eat more irregularly, less time for hobbies (training) etc

edit:
or save russian jews is a girl i guess

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Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.

shizen posted:

are there any free instructional videos online for basic moves to just learn the sport better? Not really subs but more positioning, guard passes, sweeps ext.

i've been looking but personally i feel single technique videos en masse don't really do much to help you understand the sport, although i guess if you suffer through watching a ton of them then eventually it will come together as you watch more matches.

i think i would recommend youtubing sweeps, passes, positioning keywords and looking at whatever you find interesting and then try to find matches with commentators. grappling competition DVDs sometimes have commentating for the finals matches, sometimes for the entire event, i know grapplersquest does but i've also been rather disappointed with the quality of commentating from them so take that as you will. ADCC 2009 i think it was had some pretty good commentating.

figure out what in a given match you want to know more about and look up those specific things. the commentators should help you figure out keywords to search for based on what they're saying when calling the action, for example you may want to know more about the deep half-guard then the commentators could perhaps mention the x-guard and how there are sweeps and etc etc

Opal fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Feb 15, 2011

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.
hahah, i thought the exact same thing.

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.

OrangeCrush posted:

jacare vs Roger 2k4 mundial pt 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZdDh_yQVSU

pt 2:

The arm is broken just after 1min in this video. such an incredible match.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUYwlxHjkMA

i've tried to figure out why jacare wouldn't eventually get disqualified for passivity or timidity? i thought continuously, consciously escaping the fighting area was a penalty offense

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.
i'm not sure about the point rules, would the third offense be a disqualification if the time hadn't run out?

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.
he's also supernice and one of my biggest heroes so i am insanely jealous of you

if you're allowed to i'd really like to see the results when you're done!

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.

Xguard86 posted:

2) Yes, for now you should try to escape, but don't be "that guy" and try to slam or toss people around, or do dirty things out of desperation. However, if your gas tank isn't up to par and spending 10 minutes fighting a choke means you have to sit out 2 rounds to recover, you are better off just tapping after a few escape attempts.

to add to this, if it's painfully obvious that you aren't going to get out except by breaking free by literally brute strength i honestly think you should just tap and move on until you have technical ways of escaping and instead try to make sure not to end up there in the first place.

this early in your training career you aren't learning anything by using superior strength and you're only going to piss off your sparring partners.

HOWEVER with that said later on if you are consistently stronger than your sparring partners you should and are going to learn how to control them using your strength because it still is an asset that you should use, and your sparring partners will at the same time learn how to deal with somebody stronger than them, which benefits both. but - and this is just my opinion - technique should come first.

let me also reiterate the advice to keep your arms close to you, especially your elbows. the placement we learned was to keep one hand slightly on the side of their stomach and the other on the floating ribs, and both elbows tucked against the inside of their thighs.
from there you adjust depending on what they're going for and this is the hard part and what we can't teach you, you're going to have to learn to "feel" what they're going for and this only comes after a lot of mat time.

Opal fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Mar 1, 2011

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.
anyone know where the expression "closing the bracket" comes from? is it simply a nicer-sounding way of saying forfeit or leaving walkover?

Opal fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Mar 24, 2011

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.

Thoguh posted:

It means two guys (or any power of 2, I guess) decide not to compete rather than fight to declare a champion. Ussually happens when guys who are training partners end up matched in the finals.

what? i know what it is, i'm asking where the expression came from.

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.

fawker posted:

Haha, so apparently, there have been a rash of guys at my gym that like to walk around with their shirt off after classes/during mat time, between rolls to basically show off their "amazing physiques"

Some dude posted this on the door of our locker room:
"Please do not take your shirt off after class and strut around(unless you are Pablo Popovitch, if you are, PLEASE do) everyone is laughing at you and you aren't cool."

does everyone at your gym suffer from an inferiority complex or something?
i mean obviously there will be people who you can tell are doing it for the simple reason of showing off but i don't know if it's different where you are but here many people walk around shirtless or even in just their briefs simply because it's nice and cool and it's not A Big Thing at all

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.
guess i missed the free showing, boo

edit:
ah found the real link now thanks

Opal fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Mar 26, 2011

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.
a difficult question maybe but does anyone know when ADCC usually release the dates for their tournaments? it's really close to met his year so i desperately want to go but i'm away for half of september and i'm really hoping it will be in the latter half of the month.

edit:
okay actually i just saw that they posted the dates on the first announcement, haha, it's on the 24-25 september. now, does anyone know roughly when they release tickets?

Opal fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Mar 30, 2011

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.

Who Gotch Ya posted:

Other than the inverted triangle I use the cobra twist as a sweep a LOT. Throw your far leg all the way over their back and get the hook with it. Most of the time your arm will already be in the correct position. Just don't hook your arms together and crank. Instead roll over like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H-PisdtFFk

maybe i'm missing something here but that video starts in guard and looks like it would only work if the person allows you to get an underhook with your left arm. i guess i'm asking how it relates to or works from under side control? (against a person of equal skill)

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.

Who Gotch Ya posted:

She was passing my guard and I caught it on a transition. If she was all the way past my guard, I'd still be able to throw my leg over like that and get the hook.

It actually works better if they have the underhook, 'cause that leaves your arm in position for the cobra twist.

I catch it on people my size and experience level all the time.

but if she's passed all the way to side control wouldn't the leg you wanted to hook be the one nearer to your head? are you actually able to to reach and hook that leg from a proper side control? maybe i'm just not flexible enough to even imagine it. i don't suppose you have a video of it?

edit: basically it seems to me more like something you could catch from under scarf hold because then at least you'd have the right leg closer to yours

edit 2: yeah thinking more about it i guess this is where your flexibility comes into play

Opal fucked around with this message at 10:43 on Apr 15, 2011

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.
not to be all :rolleyes: but i think it's a bit much to assume his ribs are literally about to break if he's only feeling a little sore when he turns over in bed

@McNerd, just use common sense. if it hurts too much to train, don't train. if the pain gets (much) worse or doesn't go away, take some time off. maybe see a doctor if you're super worried. just listen to your body's signals and you'll be fine. if you haven't trained much at all before starting BJJ then you will be sore in random places, it happens partly because your body isn't used to people crushing it and partly because starting out you tend to overwork it.

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.

Fleshpeg posted:

I got caught by the "Oh, I'm hurt and I'm out of shape, let's just flow roll" trick by a random white belt tonight. I was immediately bowled over onto my back and he managed to pry an arm free for an Americana. I tapped before he could get it fully on because there's no way I'm trusting some idiot who is making full on grunting noises to know when to stop. I can understand that poo poo when people are new, but this guy had trained for a few years somewhere else before joining. Oh well, I won't feel bad about going full speed on him from now on.

good job continuing the cycle i guess i'm sure he'll learn on his own or something

or maybe you should just talk to him???

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.

Who Gotch Ya posted:

Who would say "let's go light" and then not go light? People who deserve to get beat up. Talking doesn't teach people like this, they have to get embarrassed. Kick his rear end and THEN say "I thought you said let's go light? Why were you beasting?"

this is some weird prestige thing that i didn't expect out of you. why would you assume that kicking his rear end would make him learn?

i strongly doubt you can teach many people not to do something by repeating what they're doing and not saying anything, it isn't going to work. way, way too many people just decide to go even harder on people who go too hard and i don't see how people expect them to learn from that.
even if you stop to talk to him "owning" him first just sounds like wanting to show off exactly like he was doing.

if he goes too hard, just relax, stop fighting (obviously don't let yourself get injured) and tell him "whoa what the hell, you said go light and that isn't light" and take it from there. and if he doesn't learn from that tell him you aren't going to roll with him anymore and hope that the next guy does the same thing. the day he stands without sparring partners will be the only time he learns if he hasn't by that point.

i can understand wanting to style on him if "smugly adding a mark to a mental notebook somewhere" bothers you that much as long as you realise you're not doing it out of any altruistic reasons. (using the general You here)

Opal fucked around with this message at 10:57 on May 1, 2011

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.
THEIR

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.
in my experience it's the same as putting pressure on somebody's throat using your forearm. you can do it a little bit and it's okay or you can push with all your might and get some nasty looks. same way you can either lever their head up using your forearm against their forehead or over their eyes or something which i think is okay but specifically placing your forearm just below their nose and heaving upwards is often frowned upon in friendly sparring.

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.
it helps if you do too fyi

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.

KryonikMessiah posted:

Yep. Pretty much exactly what I just said. I wasn't placing blame, just saying that showering as soon as you get done is good as to avoid filthy mat disease :)

oic it sounded like a coitus_interruptus rage post, my mistake

:)

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.

SimonNotGarfunkel posted:

Hi guys.

Anyone planning to go to ADCC in Nottingham, UK in September?

The only info on tickets I can find is http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=131641353574376 from a company called Masaru Fight Co. but I have no idea what the prices range from and which matches are taking place when.

In case I can't make both days, any idea which day the Bravo/Gracie match is taking place?

I called and ordered three tickets today. They are £40 for standard seats, £50 for enhanced seats (rows 7 to ~20) and £75 for premium seats (rows 2 to 6). The tickets are on pre-sale right now at a first-come-first-serve basis after which they will be sold by the venue itself, http://www.nottingham-arena.com

edit
Oh and this is what the arena looks like:

Opal fucked around with this message at 13:57 on May 20, 2011

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.
september can't come soon enough

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.

Thoguh posted:

drat, that is the most serious anti weight cutting rules I've ever seen. Did they have some guys die or something?

maybe they just like people to fight in the weight class they weigh in for

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.
not sure what you mean by that considering his multiple trophies (jeff monson is really good)

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.

imtheism posted:

In the comments somewhere, said it was 15-17 year old division, which typically don't have skill levels inside of them. i looked on youtube and she looks to have decent high school wrestling experience. So basically, she was inadvertently (maybe?) sandbagging. Also, shouldn't have been 25-0, as he reversed her @ ~2:05 - not sure why he didnt get points, bad reffing. Skill was pretty obviously very uneven.

For what it's worth she says in the comments that she registered for the advanced division but what do I know.

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.
Just buy the mats that come in slotted segments and save yourself the hassle of getting a real one fitted to your room's spec. They're cheap and soft enough to roll on.



edit:
I found some here http://www.greatmats.com/products/martial-arts-mats-judo.php but I know I've seen them around for less than that per mat.

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.
ouch, the two swedish women we have participating are meeting kyra gracie and the monster weilbacher in their respective first rounds :(

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.

Xguard86 posted:

His opponent waved the ref over, the ref felt his back and then escorted him over to the judges and they talked and then he just kind of left. Once again, it was super early and I was a little out of it so I missed some things, but it appears he greased up only his back, which would be logical since that would sabotage opponents but not really affect his performance. It looked like they tried to towel it off too, but maybe that was some kind of check to see if it was greased or just sweat.

I was thinking it might just have been tiger balm that he applied and misjudged the time it was left til his next fight. I know that poo poo's hard as gently caress to get rid of before it's dried in. And then he gave up and walked away knowing he'd hosed up and there was nothing he could do.

Maybe that's just me though, I have a hard time believing people would grease up somewhere as noticeable as your lower back, it's not as if you'd ever get away with it?

In anecdotal news, this was my first major grappling tournament that I went to and it was bizarre seeing all these famous, amazing grapplers just walking around the arena among mortals. I took a piss next to Jeff Monson, moved aside on my bench to let Jacare and Luanna get past me and saw Bustamante countless times. After a while you even get a bit jaded about the whole thing like seeing Roger Gracie buying some water two meters from you is just a Sunday like any other. It was all amazing fun.

Opal fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Sep 26, 2011

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.
that owns really really hard

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.
how long are we going to let this fighters are dumb meme live

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.
thanks for the help~

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.
that's pretty much what everybody there thought and said as well

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.
haha i can't believe you two are at opposite ends of the spectrum yet equally dumb

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.
but flying armbars IS spaztard nonsense :confused:

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.

Subparr posted:

In my case I was lucky as hell and I know it. There are guys that flying armbar people, even at the top level. Jacare and Aoki used to do it quite a bit.

how much is 'quite a bit' more exactly?

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.
no he's right actually it started out on the topic of judo which in my opinion is kind of an important distinction considering the amount of time that people in BJJ and nogi wrestling spend on submissions compared to judo fighters

it's still a dumb technique that is rarely used at high level for good reasons. the reason it's a dumb technique is because the amount of times it's used grows inversely to the skill level of the practictioners using it, showy highlight videos notwithstanding

Subparr posted:

Yeah, and that person sucks at flying armbars and shouldn't do them in a tournament. It is high risk and can be detrimental. It's a technique though, a technique you practice and can get good at if you really wanted to. I'm not advocating telling people to do something they've never or rarely practiced if they have better techniques to do. I'm also not saying there aren't better things to drill.

In my case I was lucky as hell and I know it.

you're basically making sense here and i'm not sure why after this you continue to defend this thing except on principle bearing in mind that we are obviously (?) discussing local tournaments here, not world superstar fighters

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.
is your team affiliated with any larger organisations? that might be why they've managed to get such a big name. we have a small gym called fightzone here in stockholm and they had a seminar hosted by leo vieira a couple of months ago i assume made possible mainly because they are affiliated with checkmat

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.

Who Gotch Ya posted:

I disagree. It's way easier for me to gently caress up an RNC than a gogo. The positioning required for an RNC is much harder for me to obtain and maintain than the positioning for a gogo. More people know RNC defense than gogo defense. And I would still never say some bullshit like "this one move is higher percentage than this other one".

that may be true for you, possibly because you spend all your time on gogoplatas? but "fact remains" that for the vast majority of people what mobn is saying seems to be correct

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Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.
i'm not saying anybody HAS to do anything, but i still feel you're being pedantic about the whole thing, or we're misunderstanding each other.

what does it matter what you've been formally instructed on, if you spend a great amount of time on the gogoplata then obviously you will become proficient at it and if you're STILL loving up rear-naked chokes then i would say that obviously you aren't practising them much. i don't see what your personal individual skill at one thing or another has to do with the general sense that there are some techniques that are easier (high-percentage if you will) than others

i would hesitate to draw parallels between grappling and striking but wouldn't you say a straight right is a more high-percentage technique than a spinning back kick? one is easy to learn, easy to do, involves few stages whereas the other is hard and requires more component moves to pull off.

are you still disagreeing with the idea that some techniques are much easier to learn the basics of and apply in practice than others? or are we talking about too many things at once. because this is my definition of that expression, which is an expression and not an inviolable law

on top of this there is of course the factor you mention where body types play a difference but i would say that's a known quantity already and i don't think anybody would say that the triangle is still a "high-percentage move" for a person with short but stocky legs. in my opinion this doesn't detract from the idea that the triangle is easy to teach, easy to learn, easy to apply in practice and to finish, in other words a high-percentage technique (something many people can learn and not gently caress up)

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