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ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
I searched for one of these threads awhile ago, glad to see one got started. I just started flying got a supercub LP last year. Occasionally I put a keyfob camera on it :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olfPyXzbBJg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M953XVQVWeY

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ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE

Vitamin J posted:

Then I lost it flying along a cliff:



That looks totally repairable. Gorilla glue.


This is my p-51. You can see the first seam line where I snapped it in half doing a nose dive.

This is the result of the first flight after that. It actually broke in a completely different spot further back, mid air. I believe the wing detached and the rotation of it disconnecting snapped the fuselage.

I've since repaired the plane again, and now have glued the wing to the fuselage, and it flies great still.



This is my scratch built 3d foamie I'm working on. This is just a mock up to see how it looks. Based on the extra 300 profiles, but everything else is 100% 'wingin it' in CAD/sketchup.



Still trying to come up with what I want to do with the rudder/elevator... trying to come up with something a little different than what most people are doing with profile planes.

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
You can definitely lift a key fob camera with a medium sized coax. I lifted one with 2 birthday sized helium balloons.

Whats your experience with helis? Flying a collective pitch or even a fixed pitch heli is really really hard. The problem with a coax is that it can't handle wind at all. Even if your sheltered by trees, as soon as you get above them a 2mph wind is going to take that thing away and you'll probably never see it again (speaking from a sad experience here).

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
Here's my cub with it's 60" wing from an Apprentice :

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
That thing is going to get destroyed with any amount of wind tho. That thing is going to make a lot of little kids cry.

Edit : hmm, maybe not, those motors sounds like they are cranking, and the reviewer said he was flying it in a few mph winds with some guts.

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
I remember seeing a video of some multi rotor helis performing some insanely precise aerobatics. Like flying through a slot in plywood while doing a loop. Does anyone know what I'm talking about, and where to find the video?

Durr, I think I answered my own question, check out these videos. Insane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvRTALJp8DM&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geqip_0Vjec&feature=related

ease fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Sep 9, 2011

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE

Phat_Albert posted:

It would also be scary as hell, really.

We really aren't that far off from that being the case though. I swear I saw some video of a MR doing more hard core stuff, like barrel rolls through gaps and what not. Not really sure if it was autonomous or not.

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
I want a little 3d plane. Hobby king has a ton of ones under 50$ that come with just the plane and motor :

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__434__191__Planes_ARF_RTF_KIT-Sport_2C_Aerobatic_26_3D.html

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
Second option!

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE

helno posted:

I really need to get some better motors. I am using the shittiest motors from hobbyking and the right front motor has lost sync on me a couple of times with the expected results.

Can you explain that a little more? I am novice to MRs, and I thought that the controller board just controls the ESCs based on the gyro information. I didn't know a motor could go out of sync?

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
Ok so when the motor screams and stops, it's out of synch? I've had this happen a few times on both planes I have. Friend told me it was the BEC cutoff, and I just thought that sounded good.

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
Those videos are rad. I really want to get into FPV.

Can you give me some kind of primer on what I should get and how much I should be spending?

Right now I have a supercub lp converted to brushless with a bigger wing that is built for carrying extra weight.

I use a dx7, so I'd need a video radio thats not 2.4ghz correct?

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
Unless you like the challenge of collective pitch, multi-rotors are really the way to go. If I had money, I'd hunt down a open pilot board (~100) and build a nice MR that can lift a decent payload.

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE

Nerobro posted:

I don't understand why people think multirotors are any better. Instead of having the main shaft, and body of the heli providing some dampening you're directly attaching high frequency noisemakers to your camera platform. To make a conventional heli shake free you just need to balance two blades. You don't need to worry about interaction between rotors. You have a larger swept area for longer flight times.

Multirotors also have the distinct disadvantage of being utterly unstable. If you add the sort of stabilization you need to keep a quadcopter flying to a conventional heli you'll have a camera platform that rivals a steadycam. You'd wonder why the film industry never thought of that...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1D3fvltj4Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...559l0.1.3.2l6l0

Oh wait, they did... and have since the early 80s.

Lots of pros have switched to MR platforms. I think there are plenty of advantages to MR and these guys have realized them a while ago.

http://www.gravityshots.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L75ESD9PBOw

ease fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Dec 5, 2011

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE

Vitamin J posted:



This is really cool. Nice work.

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
Thank pink profile cub is awesome. Is that yours?

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE

CrazyLittle posted:

If you want longer range or more robust signal scrambling you can get a "JR-style" plug in module from FrSky that's ~$50, with receivers $20-30 each, and it'll be almost as good as top of the line Futaba stuff that costs 10x's as much.

Spektrum has JR style plugs, I have a DX7 I love but would also like to get more distance out of it. Could you link the specific product?

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRtAM2BG3LI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I've been subscribed to this kid for a while. This video he put a pusher prop one of his mrs. Kinda cool

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
I have realflight 4 and hovering is hard.

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
I really don't know what's behind it.

The coax models and training CP models are easier to hover, but still move around a bit on their own with no wind.

The 3d models are much different and move around a lot more. I've never flown a real CP heli, but I've figured out how to hold a semi stable hover in this game just by messing with expos on my dx7 and trying to be proactive with inputs and also a bunch of practice. It's definitely frustrating, so I think it might be somewhat realistic.

ease fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Jan 8, 2012

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE

hayden. posted:

Do I tape this down with something like packing tape, or glue it down? Gluing it down seems like a bad idea if I want to take the servos off. I also assume I don't actually glue the rod to the inside of the wings either (unless I wanted the wings permanently attached, which I don't).

I think securing that foam with packing tape would be fine. Can you take the wing off and use one long piece over the whole wing? You could glue it with some weak glue if you wanted as long as its foam safe. I'd say little dots of something like elmers would be ok so you could pop it out later. Nothing at all wrong with packing tape, though. I keep a roll in my little RC tool box.


As far as gluing the spar... that depends on how secure everything is with out glue?

Does it just sit in there loosely, or does it snap in or something? The whole point of it is to keep the wing from flexing, so if the wing is still flexing and arcing away from the spar you'd need to glue it or secure it in someway. Some wings have two piece spars that slide into each other so you can break the wing down, but some wings have a single spar you glue.

As far as your first flight, you will crash at some point. Bring stuff with you to make repairs for small damage at the field. Usually I have zip ties, packing tape, pliers, screw driver, knife, rubber bands and a few of extra props. I flew the poo poo out of my super cub, which was my first plane, and often fixed at the field when I'd break something.

A pusher prop plane like that is a great suggestion for a beginner. My most common broken part was my prop/gear box when I was learning because the nose takes all the impact usually. Maybe put a layer of packing tape on your nose just in preparation for that. I always tape my leading edges too, or at least the outside front of the wings but you don't have to. Good luck!

ease fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Jan 11, 2012

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
Whats that little piece of metal on the trailing edge in the notch? Is that a magnet?

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
Hey VJ, what happened after the battery fell out ?

referring to this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdQ1fjnwTtk&feature=related

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
Tape just protects against abrasion. It keeps your plane from loosing chunks of foam and protects against rash. Compressing the foam is unavoidable if you are nose diving it.

Also, this stuff is awesome for filling in holes and coating any rash. It's really easy to apply and shape, it's really light, and when it dries you can sand it. I have made a bunch of repairs with it and still have 9/10ths of the can left.


http://www.amazon.com/Woodland-Scenics-Foam-Putty-Pint/dp/B0006NARV8

ease fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Jan 12, 2012

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
Yeah, what tX do you have?

Do this :

Remove servo arm
Turn on tX
Plug in plane
Make sure trim on tX is at 0 for the servo channel your adjusting
Servo should be centered, so put the arm directly in the middle of the travel
Adjust the rod length so that when it's connected to the control horn, the control surface is neutral.

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE

helno posted:

http://www.stevensaero.com/StevensAero-Adrenaline-Rush-Mini-Pylon-Racer-Kit-p-16631.html

I have a second kit and I think the second is going to be a twin.

That thing is pretty cool, can't beat that price. What was the total build cost?

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
Some guy flying near wind turbines and chasing cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MisoDXYU8Y

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
I love RC jetliners. That thing is awesome. Going to video your maiden?

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
Nice! Glad it went well.

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
That one kid had throttle on the right. Remember what happened last time foreigners flew in NYC? Jeez. It could be a hipster thing I guess.

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
The dollar tree sells foam board that people seem to like. It has paper on it, and supposedly just spraying it with water will make it peel right off, but a lot of people just leave it on too.

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE

CrazyLittle posted:

This arduino poo poo flys, but it's already hit its limit for platform expansion.

What?

edit : To clarify, there is much more going on with MR's than just one kind of board. Ever looked at openpilot?

ease fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Feb 17, 2012

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
oops.

ease fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Feb 17, 2012

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
I think an EasyStar is probably the most widely used FPV/AP platform out there. If you want to go 70mph ground speed, I'd put a bigger motor on it eventually. Someone here just built a cheaper, slightly smaller nock off called a floater jet that you can get for ~60 plug and fly (you'd need a tx/rx) at hobby king. I think these both can land and take off from water, but I'd double check on the floater jet.

Floater jet :

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=8359


Easy Star :

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/easystar_rtf.htm

My advice if money is a concern? Get the cheaper plane, or something like that and a decent TX. Get at least a dx6i @ ~160. Having a good tX will allow you to program it in the field, configure curves, and make the whole learning process easier.

ease fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Feb 17, 2012

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
It will definitely fly differently, yes. You'll have to get the CG right by moving the battery from it's stock position most likely. Heavier means more things break when you crash, and your control of the plane will be some what less snappy, but people are definitely putting a bunch of weight on easystars and getting great results.

Figure out the weight of the go pro, and make a dummy version of it first. Since if you wreck the most expensive thing on the plane will be the camera, it can't hurt to just put a dummy up front and get a feel for how it's going to be to get your confidence up.

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
I just learned the GoPro is releasing a Wifi backpack for it's cameras.

http://gopro.com/hd-hero-accessories/wi-fi-bacpac-remote-combo/

So, I'm pretty sure this won't be good for FPV though because of latency with wifi video streaming? If they have done something to fix latency (I'm not too familiar with how they could/couldn't) this would be really cool. I'm just guessing here, but with the availability of all sorts of wifi range extending devices, you could probably get a pretty good signal if you tried. Maybe?

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
Nighttime FPV looks so fun :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceWyY4mGuvw&feature=related

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
As far as tX, Spektrum Dx6i or dx7. For an rX I'd just go with the cheap orange spektrum compatible rX's you can get for 10$6$.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=11965

I guess you'd probably want a micro version for a slow stick:

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__18827__OrangeRx_R415_Spektrum_DSM2_Compatible_4Ch_Micro_2_4Ghz_Receiver_.html

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
Great FPV video of all dives seriously some balsy flying through gazebos and what not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSE_D6Bbv0k&feature=g-all-f&context=G24926daFAAAAAAAACAA

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ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
So I posted this thing a while ago :



It's a super cub LP with a larger wing from an apprentice strapped to it. Was hoping to get a nice slow and stable flyer for AP.

I really haven't had much time to fly it, but when I have, it flies like poo poo. It has horrible roll control, especially w/ power. I sweat every time I get it to leave the ground for more than second.

At first my CG was a little off, but I put it to where it should be for that wing. It seems well balanced, I can't figure out what's going on with it.

Is the wing simply too long for the rest of the dimensions? I'm thinking I should try to extend the stabilizer areas, but figured I'd ask here first before my next flight.

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