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I don't think I can take this level of schadenfreude. What a clusterfuck.
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Nov 5, 2015 20:26
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Explain to me why they would break up the government over this. Is kesk. making this a hallituskysymys because the future of the party depends on the power of the municipalities? Otherwise the savages of perä-savo find their way to civilization and switch party allegiances?
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Nov 5, 2015 20:28
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I guess the next gubment is cock+SDP+helpers then. I doubt anyone wants to even try to make a sote-deal with kesk now, when they made such a drama over a measly 6 sote-areas.
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Nov 5, 2015 20:32
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Holy poo poo, so much for our government.
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Nov 5, 2015 20:33
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I am still cynical enough to believe kokoomus will be bought out and the coalition will soldier on, even though fractured.Double Bill posted:I guess the next gubment is cock+SDP+helpers then. I doubt anyone wants to even try to make a sote-deal with kesk now, when they made such a drama over a measly 6 sote-areas. I don't think even SDP are dumb enough to agree to a coalition before elections. PM resigning isn't an automatic snap election but if there's no way to create a coalition, that's the only way out. Without Kok and SDP, there's no coalition. Everyone is happy with elections except PS.
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Nov 5, 2015 20:35
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Oldsmobile posted:Holy poo poo, so much for our government. At least Sibbe outran Jätteenmäki. e: but he is already known for the dramatics, he may well end up with a convenient solution that is not at all "CP betrays all of the time." At this point I think I'd prefer Emperor Väyrynen over PM Sipilä. Nenonen fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Nov 5, 2015 |
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Nov 5, 2015 20:41
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konna posted:Explain to me why they would break up the government over this. Is kesk. making this a hallituskysymys because the future of the party depends on the power of the municipalities? Otherwise the savages of perä-savo find their way to civilization and switch party allegiances? As a proud perä-Savonian, I can't think of anything else. If you have 18 autonomous territories (seriously, are we going to the way of Spain or something? what a weird term) at least ten of those regions are going to be led by Kepu. Most likely more. With 10-12 they can't break past half. An OK summary of these disaster clowns: http://yle.fi/uutiset/tutkija_hallituskriisista_soitellen_menty_sotaan/8435628 http://yle.fi/uutiset/jaiko_jotain_valiin__hallituksen_dramaattinen_sote-paiva_koosteena/8435518?ref=leiki-uup DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Nov 5, 2015 |
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Nov 5, 2015 20:41
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Yeah, fact is, it's the exact same problem as with municipal mergers. If you merge two municipalities that have 20 and 20 kepu councillors, you'll end up with only 20 kepu councillors. Numbers brought to you by Stetson-Harrison, but that's what it boils down to: Kepu is against centralization, and drat any arguments about efficiency. It's kind of amazing if this loving regional governance thing is going to trip up every coalition forever.
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Nov 5, 2015 20:43
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Sipilä certainly betrays his amateurism on this one. I'm speculating, but the dynamic here seems to be a pm barely in touch with his parliamentary group giving them stuff to vote on in quick succession without giving them time to agree on stuff. So that's riling, but they let it slide. But then they come to the Social Services and Health Reform package. This is a big deal, this has to go through and according to Kepu-plans. There is no backing out. They tell Sipilä "make this come true or we'll kill the government". So Sip goes to Coalition and tells them that this is what's going to happen, like it or leave it and here we are now. Though I believe his parliamentary group, maybe even he was also scared by the polls that keep telling him Coalition is getting all the kudos for what the government is doing. It's not hurting Center party right now but it might get that way. It's _really_ hurting the True Finns, who are way over their heads in this one. So his solution is to put his foot down and try to ask SDP or other another party to back him. Also he has a short attention span and if things don't go his way he just changes tack.
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Nov 5, 2015 21:06
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konna posted:Explain to me why they would break up the government over this. I think that the all kepu-eminenssit have said to Juhis that he should stop sucking kok's cock or he will  Of course, Juha being the  he is, this is how he handles the situation.
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Nov 5, 2015 21:09
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Kepu sure has had...uh, an interesting string of Prime Ministers in my lifetime.
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Nov 5, 2015 21:10
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Given the recent polls SDP should want a new election more than anybody, so if Rinne et al. have half a brain cell between them, they're not joining any government at all. But then again, we are talking about Rinne & co here, so gently caress knows what'll happen.
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Nov 5, 2015 21:13
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DarkCrawler posted:Kepu sure has had...uh, an interesting string of Prime Ministers in my lifetime. I keep forgetting Kiviniemi ever even was Prime Minister. She wasn't even terrible compared to the current shitshow but she was such a non-starter in every way. :cryingkekkonen:
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Nov 5, 2015 21:14
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Antti posted::cryingkekkonen: Perusedustajalle aina Viron-matka skulaa / mutta mä oon Havaijilla Mauilla hieromassa brunaa / sit ne lähettävät noottii / mun on lähettävä kotiin
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Nov 5, 2015 21:35
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It's getting to a point where I would be ok about government that will gently caress me in the rear end dry as long as they do it efficiently.
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Nov 5, 2015 21:41
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"On hyvin todennäköistä, että kävelen aamulla presidentin luo" I think what he really means is that "On hyvin todennäköistä, että vaihdan aamulla mieltäni"
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Nov 5, 2015 22:09
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what's with the bonzi buddy avatars?
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Nov 5, 2015 22:17
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Herman Merman posted:what's with the bonzi buddy avatars? New Garbage Dick.
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Nov 5, 2015 22:20
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konna posted:Explain to me why they would break up the government over this. Is kesk. making this a hallituskysymys because the future of the party depends on the power of the municipalities? Otherwise the savages of perä-savo find their way to civilization and switch party allegiances? Sote uudistus is the most important thing this government will do. It's like basically like kuntauudistus with a different name. Municipalities are getting half or more of their budget taken away from them. It's exactly the kind of poo poo Kepu would throw a poo poo fit over.
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Nov 5, 2015 22:30
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are persut going to be stuck in suokusta's rear end like remoras, or are they leaving too?
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Nov 5, 2015 22:33
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Soini will take it up the rear end from every single mp if he needs to. Anything so he doesn't have to give up that sweet, sweet minister gig.
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Nov 5, 2015 22:36
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The story and writing has been really good so far 5/5. Now we just need an exciting and satisfying finale. 
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Nov 5, 2015 22:37
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doverhog posted:Sote uudistus is the most important thing this government will do. It's like basically like kuntauudistus with a different name. Municipalities are getting half or more of their budget taken away from them. It's exactly the kind of poo poo Kepu would throw a poo poo fit over. Yeah, the question is, who gets to spend approximately €15 billion (Yes, that's with a B.) every year.
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Nov 5, 2015 23:26
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One of the most bizarre things re: Sipilä is the people who keep saying that all the cockups and blatant lying, it's all part of some masterplan. The simplest explanation is that the dude has no real political experience and is actually pretty loving dumb.
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Nov 6, 2015 01:33
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God will guide him.
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Nov 6, 2015 01:53
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Nenonen posted:Perusedustajalle aina Viron-matka skulaa / Here's one: I got an erection / for new elections.
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Nov 6, 2015 05:43
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Kemper Boyd posted:One of the most bizarre things re: Sipilä is the people who keep saying that all the cockups and blatant lying, it's all part of some masterplan. Being from the countryside literally makes one stupid. Prove me wrong if you can.
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Nov 6, 2015 07:00
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Meanwhile, man parked next to a refugee centre with a handgun and a "machine gun" (assault rifle?) in his car arrested in Helsinki.
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Nov 6, 2015 07:14
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Antti posted:Meanwhile, man parked next to a refugee centre with a handgun and a "machine gun" (assault rifle?) in his car arrested in Helsinki. Well, no more Ligurposting for a while.
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Nov 6, 2015 07:23
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Soini was just on HSTV talking about how this shows Persut are actually the most dependable and trustworthy party and will stay in government no matter what. That's nice but I don't think their voters are going to think that's a good thing.
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Nov 6, 2015 08:18
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Does anyone still have the KokPersKusta picture someone posted after the last election? Might be fun to have for the sake of posterity if the government goes belly up.
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Nov 6, 2015 08:49
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Oldsmobile posted:So that's riling, but they let it slide. But then they come to the Social Services and Health Reform package. This is a big deal, this has to go through and according to Kepu-plans. There is no backing out. They tell Sipilä "make this come true or we'll kill the government". So Sip goes to Coalition and tells them that this is what's going to happen, like it or leave it and here we are now.
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Nov 6, 2015 08:58
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vuohi posted:My gf was watching a-talk yesterday while I was making food, and apparently Heinäluoma said that this dead end can't really be only about the number of top level units in the health services, there has to be something else to justify a situation this convoluted. I really don't know honestly. It seems obvious that the planned reform, whenever it is ready, will cement the organizational structure of our health services for a quite long time, so Kepu being Kepu, they do have some really strong interests in this, but what is this "something else" then?
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Nov 6, 2015 09:12
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Yeah, I think it's increasingly likely that the Wet Fart scenario will once again become reality and we'll get the worst possible outcome on every metric except Attendo's stock price.
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Nov 6, 2015 09:28
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Jerry Cotton posted:Being from the countryside literally makes one stupid. Prove me wrong if you can. Aren't you from Turku, which is practically countryside? Then again, just proves your point   5 posts to go until 15000
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Nov 6, 2015 09:32
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vuohi posted:It seems obvious that the planned reform, whenever it is ready, will cement the organizational structure of our health services for a quite long time quote:Itsehallintoalueiden olisi tarkoituksenmukaista vastata sosiaali- ja terveyspalveluiden lisäksi
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Nov 6, 2015 09:32
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Kuule hain nussivan posted:The quantity of social and health-care services that will be made available to private companies for example. I have a feeling we will get a worst case scenario where we have 18 disfunctional sote areas and all social services must be put up for offers. And Persus will go for this because persu gonna persu. Yep. That's what is going to happen. The worst option just so both parties can be ideologically pure. It's a drat mess and things are just going to get worse.
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Nov 6, 2015 09:41
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Would be awesome if this thread ended with the government disbanding, but more likely it's this:Antti posted:Yeah, I think it's increasingly likely that the Wet Fart scenario will once again become reality and we'll get the worst possible outcome on every metric except Attendo's stock price.
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What the gently caress, I was just going to our monthly shooting club meet and suddenly there's police all over the place telling me I can't park my car (if it contains weapons) near a VOK. Different rights for different people, right, as I can park my car just about anywhere else? That's "diversity" for you.
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