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Apparently things are pretty violent in Libya today as well:quote:Libyan protesters seeking to oust longtime leader Moammar Gadhafi have defied a crackdown and taken to the streets on what activists have dubbed a "day of rage". Full article, and there's also a video here: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/02/201121716917273192.html Seems like all these Middle East/Northern African dictators use the same playbook.
Although I have to say, attacking medical personnel seems to be a new one. Bahrain is innovative. They're going to have to add a page to the playbook now I guess.
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Speaking of playbooks, NYT has an article up on “From Dictatorship to Democracy,” a 93-page guide to toppling autocrats. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/world/middleeast/17sharp.html?src=me&ref=general quote:When Egypt’s April 6 Youth Movement was struggling to recover from a failed effort in 2005, its leaders tossed around “crazy ideas” about bringing down the government, said Ahmed Maher, a leading strategist. They stumbled on Mr. Sharp while examining the Serbian movement Otpor, which he had influenced. I want to go to a workshop on how to topple autocratic dictators in 30 days or less your money back guaranteed.
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Feb 18, 2011 00:00
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Ham posted:Not just that, Al Adly, the minister of interior is being investigated for coordination of/collaboration in the new year's eve church bombing which killed 23 Egyptians, the government blamed that on palestinian islamists. Thought I cross-post your post this from the old thread, because it's so fresh... Ham posted:Major news out of Egypt: Habib Al-Adly, former Minister of Interior, responsible for most deaths during the revolution and for releasing prisoners and ordering all police districts to abandon their posts paving the way for major looting has been arreted, and so has former Minister of Tourism Zuhair Garana and former Minister of Housing Ahmad Al-Maghrabi. Also, Ahmad Ezz, one of the most hated men in Egypt and a steel tycoon who engineered the 2010 parliamentary elections is also under arrest. I'm actually reeling from this. It's just so unbelievable. And then I remember that this bombing was one of those talking points about what would happen if Mubarak fell and the Muslim Brotherhood took over. Turns out Mubarak's men actually did that.
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quote:In Ivory Coast, the stepped up financial pressure is starting to spill over into protests. Several hundred angry cocoa farmers set piles of cocoa beans on fire in front of the European Union office in Abidjan on Thursday, protesting sanctions put in place by the international community to try to force Gbagbo out. They say the sanctions have instead paralyzed the industry in the world's largest cocoa grower. Now the protests are currently rather small, but they're expected to get bigger as the government fails to meet it's payroll: quote:Nine banks, including Ivory Coast's largest, have shut down their operations one after another this week, further squeezing the country's strongman who is refusing to leave office nearly three months after being declared the loser of the presidential election. http://napavalleyregister.com/business/article_a415fff2-496f-5f1f-9441-9c02074ce452.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter So, the dictator/President of Ivory Coast not only managed to lose the election by a wide margin, he's now refusing to step down in spite of all the banks in the country closing and growing unrest. Beautiful. I've added an Ivory Coast feed to the Middle East News list on Twitter. Edit: Thanks for saving me from double-posting! Apology fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Feb 18, 2011 |
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Feb 18, 2011 00:05
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Apology posted:Sorry for the double post, y'all, but this is an entirely new protest that I hadn't heard of, the Ivory Coast in Africa: The election was in November and the protests/standoff started soon after. edit: Ah, protests against the sanctions. That makes sense.
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Feb 18, 2011 00:08
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Furious Mittens posted:Glad to see these threads still going strong. I was really active in the Egypt one and took a few days away when Mubarak fell for work and just to detach myself from it. The intensity was starting to get too much for me and I'm half-way across the globe from Egypt! Wow, if uprisings in another country get you so upset you might want to get that checked out.
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Feb 18, 2011 00:10
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So here's a weird idea as far as the internet's and anonymous' role in these things. We know that governments spread misinformation when there is unrest to try and quell the uprisings, but how how effective would spreading counter-misinformation be? Stuff like claiming that a government is near the breaking point, or that military leadership is starting to have inner conflict. It seems that a group like Anonymous could find a way to spread information like this quickly and have it sound somewhat reliable. I feel like if it were an effective thing, it might give protesters in the areas more hope and cause them to continue fighting when they would otherwise give up. ^^^ - as far as the above comment goes, I think that its important that people from all over the world become attached. As people in more privileged countries start to see other countries begin to have more freedoms maybe they might start thinking about how they can improve their own countries situations and inspire further revolution and change.
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Feb 18, 2011 00:14
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Apology posted:Apparently things are pretty violent in Libya today as well: I can't help but wonder if Egypt might start actively formenting revolution in other nations once the country is back on its feet. If/when a new civilian reigime led by the opposition groups comes to power, it's going to be pretty unpopular amongst the kings and dictators of the rest of the Arab-Iranian world, especially if the unrest continues for a prolonged period. If that happens, active support for the protestors in other nations would be in Egypt's national interest.
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Reason posted:So here's a weird idea as far as the internet's and anonymous' role in these things. We know that governments spread misinformation when there is unrest to try and quell the uprisings, but how how effective would spreading counter-misinformation be? Stuff like claiming that a government is near the breaking point, or that military leadership is starting to have inner conflict. It seems that a group like Anonymous could find a way to spread information like this quickly and have it sound somewhat reliable. I feel like if it were an effective thing, it might give protesters in the areas more hope and cause them to continue fighting when they would otherwise give up. Surely with Twitter and the like, there's no need for this? Anonymous isn't going to be a lot of use compared with a shitload of tweets, posts etc in the language all of the protesters will speak.
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Reason posted:So here's a weird idea as far as the internet's and anonymous' role in these things. We know that governments spread misinformation when there is unrest to try and quell the uprisings, but how how effective would spreading counter-misinformation be? Stuff like claiming that a government is near the breaking point, or that military leadership is starting to have inner conflict. It seems that a group like Anonymous could find a way to spread information like this quickly and have it sound somewhat reliable. I feel like if it were an effective thing, it might give protesters in the areas more hope and cause them to continue fighting when they would otherwise give up. Unless these thins are actually happening, I can see there being some serious blowback. If people get their hopes up that the government is going to step down and they don't that could seriously dicourage them. But then again the same thing happened in Egypt and it just made people angrier, so who knows really.
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Feb 18, 2011 00:17
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Apology posted:This ought to shut his mouth, an Al Jazeera piece filmed at a local Bahraini hospital. The video is fairly disturbing and features dead bodies, but the worst of it is blurred out: AJE was actually playing the hospital footage in the background while the guy talked about how there wouldn't be women and children at a protest in a less tolerant country. It was pretty well done. Scorchy posted:Was it Ian Henderson? No, his name was Clanwilliam.
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Feb 18, 2011 00:22
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This is actually really awesome to watch. Not the death, or the terror, or the horrible conditions these people faced to make them revolt, but rather the idea that people my age are actively changing the world.
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Feb 18, 2011 00:30
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AA is for Quitters posted:This is actually really awesome to watch. Not the death, or the terror, or the horrible conditions these people faced to make them revolt, but rather the idea that people my age are actively changing the world. how does it feel to know you will never take part in something to momentous?
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Feb 18, 2011 00:45
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Radio! posted:Anyone else watch that interview with the UK advisor on Bahrain just now? Oh look, this could just as well be another message from the Obama administration. UK, US, same note to another different tune. Seriously, they were on the wrong side of history with Tunisia and Egypt and they're going to continue to be on the wrong side again their full continued support of dictators. I simply can not wait for this to go full global scale and it topples the US regime as well. We're starting to see this already happening in Wisconsin, but just confined to that state for now.
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Feb 18, 2011 00:46
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Apology posted:Seems like all these Middle East/Northern African dictators use the same playbook. It's pretty clear they are all getting scared at just how quickly a population can rally together with the internet and modern technology in it's hand. They want to crush this as fast as they possibly can but I think the revolutions in Egypt and whatnot have shown that it can be done. I dunno if any of them will be able to stop it just by killing and beating up some people at this point.
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The Angry Bum posted:Oh look, this could just as well be another message from the Obama administration. UK, US, same note to another different tune. Seriously, they were on the wrong side of history with Tunisia and Egypt and they're going to continue to be on the wrong side again their full continued support of dictators. God I hope this is a troll. quote:We're starting to see this already happening in Wisconsin, but just confined to that state for now. Oh good, it is.
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Feb 18, 2011 00:48
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randombattle posted:It's pretty clear they are all getting scared at just how quickly a population can rally together with the internet and modern technology in it's hand. They want to crush this as fast as they possibly can but I think the revolutions in Egypt and whatnot have shown that it can be done. They won't. It only energizes the protesters because now they've got something specific and incredibly recent to hate you for. If someone calls you an rear end and you respond by punching him in the throat, he's not going to start thinking "oh I guess he's actually a really great guy!"
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Feb 18, 2011 00:50
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Lascivious Sloth posted:God I hope this is a troll. Even if I wouldn't go so far to say that America's corporatist policies are a regime by any measure, it would be nice to see some positive changes come out of this in the western world.
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Feb 18, 2011 00:52
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Space Butler posted:how does it feel to know you will never take part in something to momentous? If obama loses to a tea-party type in 2012, we just may. But really, I don't care that I'll never get the chance to participate in something like this. What I care about is how little coverage this is getting in the US. I mentioned what was going on at work, and everyone just went "wat?". It's not getting mentioned in their schools, it's not getting mentioned on the news, it's not getting mentioned period beyond a little footnote, or page filler in the middle of the paper.
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Hey, did you hear about the protests in the capital of Bahrain? "Manama? Nah."
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AA is for Quitters posted:If obama loses to a tea-party type in 2012, we just may. Are people really that oblivious to it in the US? I mean, here (in Canada) I've encountered people who are at least fairly knowledgable about it everywhere. And I don't mean just places like university; I also mean places like my parent's church or the thrift store I volunteer at on Saturdays (it's run by a sweet old conservative protestant family, and they all support the protesters). But nobody at your workplace was aware of this?
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Oh mysterious forces at work, do Russia next.
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It's awesome that the revolutions have been so successful under the circumstances. It's not awesome that the inevitable revolution cost so much innocent blood. I think we should try to look at all the pictures of the injured and dead. These are real people, good people by any measure, heroes deserving respect.
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Feb 18, 2011 01:22
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AA is for Quitters posted:If obama loses to a tea-party type in 2012, we just may. Wait, seriously? It's front page news in the UK, all over the TV news too. How can it just not get reported over there?
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Feb 18, 2011 01:23
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ChaosSamusX posted:Are people really that oblivious to it in the US? I mean, here (in Canada) I've encountered people who are at least fairly knowledgable about it everywhere. And I don't mean just places like university; I also mean places like my parent's church or the thrift store I volunteer at on Saturdays (it's run by a sweet old conservative protestant family, and they all support the protesters). There was a poll that just recently came out about what was going on in Egypt and the views relating to the unrest in the Middle East. 52% of Americans had no idea what was going on. And that's with it being the top weeknight broadcast news item for over a week.
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ChaosSamusX posted:Are people really that oblivious to it in the US? I mean, here (in Canada) I've encountered people who are at least fairly knowledgable about it everywhere. And I don't mean just places like university; I also mean places like my parent's church or the thrift store I volunteer at on Saturdays (it's run by a sweet old conservative protestant family, and they all support the protesters). Coming from Southern California, I'm seeing a pretty even breakdown between people who weren't aware, people who support the movements, and people who think angry muslims are rioting to install a theocracy under Sharia law(also, something about Caliphates).
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AA is for Quitters posted:But really, I don't care that I'll never get the chance to participate in something like this. What I care about is how little coverage this is getting in the US. I mentioned what was going on at work, and everyone just went "wat?". It's not getting mentioned in their schools, it's not getting mentioned on the news, it's not getting mentioned period beyond a little footnote, or page filler in the middle of the paper. It's been a front page story in the NYT every day for over a week. Top US reporters (Anderson Cooper, Katie Couric, Nick Kristof, etc) have all been reporting on it. Some people just don't pay attention to the rest of the world.
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ChaosSamusX posted:Are people really that oblivious to it in the US? I mean, here (in Canada) I've encountered people who are at least fairly knowledgable about it everywhere. And I don't mean just places like university; I also mean places like my parent's church or the thrift store I volunteer at on Saturdays (it's run by a sweet old conservative protestant family, and they all support the protesters). Yes, Americans really are oblivious to this. Even the military. We're still showing ESPN and now we've moved on to kids shows on other channels. There's been a near total blackout of the news channels every time I've been at Aafes and a couple other clubs and restaurants. Occasionally AFN news is on, but it's more bias than Fox and basically only talks about events on military bases that noone really cares about. At home we've got news channels, but out in public, I haven't seen CNN on since poo poo really hit the fan. My parents are faintly aware of some "Egyptian thing" going on (though they have 0 knowledge of why or the depth of it and constantly keep comparing it to an American revolution and the States need to rise up and  ), my husband's family couldn't care less. Most of my friends in the US were unaware of this until I got them watching it.
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ياللا بينا يا الشام I'm waiting for Syria to go nuts.
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Space Butler posted:Wait, seriously? It's front page news in the UK, all over the TV news too. How can it just not get reported over there? 1) I live in a red state in the midwest. Most of the people here think the entire middle east is full of "terrists" and the entire region should be carpet-bombed. 2) Most people here don't care about what is going on beyond their own lives. Their idea of current events is what TMZ is reporting. And it makes me sad that this is what America is like, and that anyone that tries to change this is met with the wall that is the anti-intellectualism that the sterotypical american personifies.
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Ashmole posted:ياللا بينا يا الشام It's started today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDHLsU-ik_Y
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AA is for Quitters posted:1) I live in a red state in the midwest. Most of the people here think the entire middle east is full of "terrists" and the entire region should be carpet-bombed. Just to back this guy up, and while I'm aware that yahoo isn't a paramount news source, you'd think there'd at least be a 'Middle East In Revolt' or something, bolded, obviously something interesting and world news worthy, right?:  Click here for the full 1664x903 image. That's the US Yahoo homepage. There's a single link about Bahrain. It's entirely unnoticable.
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Good Citizen posted:Coming from Southern California, I'm seeing a pretty even breakdown between people who weren't aware, people who support the movements, and people who think angry muslims are rioting to install a theocracy under Sharia law(also, something about Caliphates). Same here. I can't help but wonder how much the accurate awareness would decrease if this area didn't have as many people living here who are connected to the Middle Eastern diaspora, though. Most people I'm connected to here at least know someone who knows someone who's intimately impacted by the protests and their direct implications. In my podunk hometown, it's almost strictly blissful ignorance or  ish apoplexy.
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AA is for Quitters posted:1) I live in a red state in the midwest. Most of the people here think the entire middle east is full of "terrists" and the entire region should be carpet-bombed. That's really sad, and more than slightly worrying. 
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Xandu posted:It's started today. I added a few Syrian tweeters to the Middle East News list. One of them is also following anonops and cableleaks. I didn't add anonops or cableleaks to the list because I don't want a bunch of "Longcat is looooong" crap making GBS threads up my list. I think the Syrian anon will work out fine because, after all, it's his country that's involved, so I doubt he'll have time for memes and other such crap. If anybody notices any trolls, government plants, or really consistently lovely posters on the Middle East News list on Twitter let me know who they are and I'll delete them from the list. I haven't noticed any fuckery so far, other than Thomas Meade's constant self-promotion of his lists. His lists are good, though, so I'm hesitant to delete them. Edit: Uh oh, Twitter is over-capacity Apology fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Feb 18, 2011 |
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Tovarisch Rafa posted:Oh mysterious forces at work, do Russia next. Gorbachev thinks it may happen. http://on.wsj.com/gIKwhY Ashmole posted:ياللا بينا يا الشام عقبا لسورية والأردن والسعودية واليمن وليبيا والمغرب والكويت وإيران والإمارات وعمان وقطر والبحرين
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"Wait, Muslims? There aren't any Muslims in Egypt." "No, there definitely are. It's a pretty Muslim country." "But what about, y'know, Osiris and stuff?" Is that better or worse than going on about the Muslim Brotherhood establishing a theocracy? Blurry Gray Thing fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Feb 18, 2011 |
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ChaosSamusX posted:Even if I wouldn't go so far to say that America's corporatist policies are a regime by any measure, it would be nice to see some positive changes come out of this in the western world. They have been entrenching for this sort of thing for too long. If it ever happens in the "Land of the Free"(lmbo) you are going to see some real brutality.
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Blurry Gray Thing posted:"Wait, Muslims? There aren't any Muslims in Egypt." Better. Its massively ignorant but not actively hateful.
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quadratic posted:Gorbachev thinks it may happen. http://on.wsj.com/gIKwhY Man I need an Arabic keyboard.
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