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Being an American at least there are good wages but the best you can hope for is really an ok day job with normal people, but every day for months with then (and this is why I do this) an equal time off. Like it's not really romantic, it's basically grade school for adults, just grinding it out until summer vacation
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Re: billionaire yachts, read The New New Thing
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With yacht people just remember they think they own you. Anything at all to do with them, even if you aren't even working for them, they think they own you.
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BrandorKP posted:With yacht people just remember they think they own you. Anything at all to do with them, even if you aren't even working for them, they think they own you. Yeah I like being owned by a faceless shipping company thru layers of management much better, unironically. Yachts never appealed.
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I'm a member of a major US officer's union and have worked pretty much exclusively on government ships so this is all pretty  to me
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Spent about 30 minutes in the hall last week and all my reasons for going to school came right at me. Drunken wreck of an ex chief engineer that alienated his family and is just trying to hang on till retirement if his liver holds out that long? Sure. List of shipboard accidents or fuckups from pure incompetence? Yes! Just go down the list and check that poo poo off! So glad I'm in grad school and not an engine room.
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lightpole posted:Spent about 30 minutes in the hall last week and all my reasons for going to school came right at me. Drunken wreck of an ex chief engineer that alienated his family and is just trying to hang on till retirement if his liver holds out that long? Sure. List of shipboard accidents or fuckups from pure incompetence? Yes! Just go down the list and check that poo poo off! So glad I'm in grad school and not an engine room. I almost got smashed by a fuel pump that we were lifting wrong because we were stupid and also a decrepit Chinese chain fall decided to die lol
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Rotary shipping especially means everyone (even you, reader) is basically guaranteed to be incompetent most of the time via unfamiliarity, exhaustion, or both
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At some point after the tenth captain insisted nobody but himself knew what they were doing I realized nobody knew what they were doing. Then I went in the office and realized this is pretty true of the entirety of human civilization. Everybody is winging it
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FrozenVent posted:At some point after the tenth captain insisted nobody but himself knew what they were doing I realized nobody knew what they were doing. That doesn't really absolve anyone though, there are places and times even in this industry where people are by and large winging it much less than others, you know? It's just expensive to get the personnel and materiel you need in one place for long enough to make anything but bare viability possible
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Polikarpov posted:I'm a member of a major US officer's union and have worked pretty much exclusively on government ships so this is all pretty gently caress yeah! Gov ships are the way to go. If no other reason than the three most beautiful words in the English language: defined benefit pension There are also a host of other reasons why they are a far better work environment than commercial/private vessels.
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B33rChiller posted:gently caress yeah! Gov ships are the way to go. If no other reason than the three most beautiful words in the English language: defined benefit pension Minimal pay and vacation?
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Was considering taking an open board 1st's job on the Green Bay last week. In between the low pay, no pension contribution, lack of knowledge of the schedule and crew and my memories from my first job with Central Gulf when we ran out of food cause they didn't want to spend the money for dock space, I said no and started to seriously consider a PhD.
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Sounds about right. Probably pays less than being a trash can third somewhere more lucrative.
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shovelbum posted:Minimal pay and vacation? Being able to yell at blowboaters on 16 that they're violating a 300 yard Naval Vessel Protective Zone and watch them tack in panic and miss stays never gets old.
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shovelbum posted:Minimal pay and vacation? Going from being at sea for 8 months/year and filling in as 2nd eng on a cruise ship to working as an entry level 4th class for 4.5month of my first year with the  government netted me an increase of CDN$10k salary. Now, full time indeterminate contract, I'm at work for 5 months per year (in 2 week stints), and around $70k base salary. There's overtime to be made too. I bank it and take even more paid time off, due to not trusting the lovely fire chicken to pay out (phoenix pay system is the biggest drawback to my job now). It really is a super sweet gig. The pay is comfortable, not "good money", but it's a far sight better than what Poor & Old cruises used to pay.
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Wow, 2 week hitches? We do 120 days on 120 days off on the MSC contracts. I'd agree with the pay being comfortable, especially considering the amount of work we do. I've been on special mission ships for awhile and not having to work cargo is excellent. There's also the benefit of not worrying about losing your job because the market did an oopsie or a Saudi prince sneezed. Polikarpov fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Jul 16, 2018 |
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Two weeks and two weeks was too fast for me, I liked the six weeks and six weeks better, but I never managed to make indeterminate so... They did tell me I was topped out on days as a mate for the year and would love to have me back as an AB until the next fiscal year. I basically moonwalked off that boat.
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FrozenVent posted:Two weeks and two weeks was too fast for me, I liked the six weeks and six weeks better, but I never managed to make indeterminate so... You're costing us too much money, we'd sure like it if you would come back and work more for less. How about it pal? I agree 2 and 2 is a bit quick at times. I find myself driving home for my days of rest thinking "gently caress, I've got to go back to work in 2 weeks." Other times, I'm run so ragged after 14 days, I really need some time to decompress.
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Generally speaking I’m glad I have a decent office job now. Work way less for the same amount of money, and I’m home every night. Once in a while the weather’s just right and I smell the sun on painted steel or warm diesel or whatever they use to clean floors on a cruise ship and I have that moment. You know the one. So I crack open another beer, and call the girlfriend over.
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Oh hey this thread. As I posted earlier a few months back im starting maritime college in Norway. Signed up for math tutoring before start since I've done nothing but patch stab wounds and hand out antibiotics in refugee camps for years now. I'm sure in three years there won't be any cadet placements and I'll end up under a bridge somewhere. Someone got some good online esources for the maths and physics poo poo?
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Find the pony locker  Find a good classmate to work with. Once you get into actual classes, I'd imagine some of us can help.
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You can download a free PDF of Bowditch from the NGA website but I don't know if that will actually help. msi.nga.mil, under publications
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If you’re not learning the American way of doing things, I’d advise against Bowditch. It’ll just confuse you.
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Nuclear War posted:Oh hey this thread. As I posted earlier a few months back im starting maritime college in Norway. Signed up for math tutoring before start since I've done nothing but patch stab wounds and hand out antibiotics in refugee camps for years now. Maybe try Kahn Academy?
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Polikarpov posted:Wow, 2 week hitches? We do 120 days on 120 days off on the MSC contracts. I'd agree with the pay being comfortable, especially considering the amount of work we do. I've been on special mission ships for awhile and not having to work cargo is excellent. Special mission ships = secret squirrel mud boats?
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shovelbum posted:Special mission ships = secret squirrel mud boats? http://www.msc.navy.mil/PM2/
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Nice! I was on the Dominator's civilian sister for a few months. Related to the Black Powder etc too.
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Contractual monthly day off that can't be cashed in for anything else you are my spirit animal
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Contractual monthly day off that can't be cashed in for anything else you are my spirit animal
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shovelbum posted:Nice! I was on the Dominator's civilian sister for a few months. Related to the Black Powder etc too. I should've clarified that I work on the unlimited tonnage ships in that program, the T-AGS mainly.
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BrandorKP posted:https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...I7OFvI3&cf=1 Didn't make it https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:410512/mmsi:636018233/imo:9634830/vessel:PEAK_PEGASUS
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Yeah I feel bad for them. Probably out of refrigerated stores at this point.
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Somebody elsewhere pointed out that the owner is still ahead because soybean prices are up significantly more than the cost to rent the ship since they’ve been idling (ignoring the new tariffs).
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Yeah I don’t know what that thing was fixed for but daily rates for a Panamax are roughly 16.5k a day right now, and they’ve been trending upward for a while.
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PCjr sidecar posted:Somebody elsewhere pointed out that the owner is still ahead because soybean prices are up significantly more than the cost to rent the ship since they’ve been idling (ignoring the new tariffs). Eventually that grain will get ruined by condensation on the bulkheads though.
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If it was properly loaded that’s gonna take a hell of a long time. Grain absorbs a gently caress ton of humidity and if the holds are cubes out there’s not a whole lot of air in there to carry humidity.
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Most chinese grain discharge ports are draft restricted at 13.00. A panamax will have one or two slacks. Might have some ballast in also depending on vcg of fuel oil tanks and hold moments.
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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/11/farmers-china-soy-bean-market-share-734773
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Good thing Europe has had a really bad year for anything that grows 
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