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Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007
Going to KMFDM in portland tonight. Hope they aren't too disappointing.

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Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007

teethgrinder posted:

I'm still on the fence about seeing them in Toronto. I finally saw them in Ottawa like ... over five years ago, and it was terrible.

I was expecting 90s KMFDM, and I got ... metal. That alone wouldn't have been inherently awful, but it was also the loudest concert I'd been to thus far and it destroyed my hearing. I've worn earplugs at shows ever since, but really it's too late.

I was so put off by it I skipped their next show, where it turns out Birthday Massacre opened for them, who I adore.

I think I'd be better prepared to enjoy them now, now that I have no expectation for their former glory. I think the worst thing to happen to KMFDM is for Sasha to have married one of the disposable female singers.

Just got back and they loving ruled. Got three encores, mosh pit kicked rear end, the show was good. Their lineup was kind of meh because They had songs from their newer album, which I haven't actually heard yet, but it was a great show.

Also the singer for 16Volt jumped into the mosh pit mid-show and knocked people out, then let the audience sing into his mic.

Definitely better than last time KMFDM was in Portland.

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007

Pope Guilty posted:

I like the more electronic direction KMFDM has been going in, but then my faovirte KMFDM album is Symbols, soooooo

Yeah I actually didn't bother listening to WTF?! before the concert because KMFDM has been pretty lackluster but WTF?! is pretty solid. Reminds me of Symbols and Adios, which are two of my fav albums by them.

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007

The Cleaner posted:

Just a fleeting thought, I must admit I'm a bit worried they're getting too blatantly political to the point the lyrics are becoming overtly predictable. Obviously they've always been socially conscious, which is what they are all about of course, but when you focus on that one angle over and over.. well you'll loose the abstract and artistic aspects that made their 80's/early 90's stuff so different.

I'm guessing alot of that had to do with Raymond Watts, Chris Connelly, Ogre, etc... doing frequent guest vocals back then. Not that Lucia and Skold aren't good lyrically, I just think they are too close to Sascha's own writing style, and that in turn keeps things on one level as a little less dynamic creatively.

That being said I did see them live for WTF? and it was really awesome.

This is their first overtly political album since WWIII and Lucia's lyrical writing is nothing like Sascha's at all.

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007
Shut up guys Laibach is brilliant

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007

CAT rear end now!!! posted:

Laibach is a completely different beast and on a whole another level, keep them out of this

They were the vanguard for that poo poo and unfortunately no one else 'got' it but decided to mimic it anyway.

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007
Sounds like Download.

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007

hatelull posted:

I haven't listened to the samples, as I would rather wait for the real thing (or the inevitable leak). Do you mean old Download, or his later era oonzt-oonzt-oonzt Helicopter Download that pretty much blends into platEAU.

Older download. III and earlier Download. I haven't even heard any download after III so nice to know it would be a waste of time.

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007

hatelull posted:

Effector is ok, if not tame. I quite enjoyed Fixer, but it's far less abrasive as the earlier stuff. I'm not sure how to describe it actually, but he made a transition from the noisy possibly experimental sound of the early Download to druggy hyper-active electronica of the later stuff. He did a vault release called Inception - The Subconcious James 1994-1995 that was a nice mix of the older stuff reworked, so that might be worth tracking down if you're really interested.

I dunno. III was a decent album but it was starting to stray into territory I didn't like as much and I'm not surprised Download drifted off the way it did. I'll probably check it out eventually but until then I'll be happy looping SuniC and Base Metal for hours on end.

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007

Furret Basket posted:

All you feminist cunts you know that you want it, give head if you've got it.

:siren: totally ironic :siren:

Wouldn't care so much if a) the music wasn't so boring b) so many of fans take it so seriously. Combichrist fans are worse than Juggalos.

Ahaha yes. YES.


Twiin posted:

Sure! The difference is that acts like Laibach or Boyd Rice were either explicitly a character act, or were totally marginalized. Combichrist wears a confederate war flag and puts out a video where he forces women to strip at gunpoint, and he goes on tour with Rammstein.

I'd argue that acts like Laibach and Boyd Rice are better because they aren't just shock-jocks but are actually explicitly transgressive and their image, characters, and lyrics actually have a social meaning as opposed to the juvenile rantings of bands like Combichrist where they just want to appeal to teen angst, which just happens to be hopelessly reactionary.

Zaiquiri fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Oct 5, 2011

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007

TOOT BOOT posted:

Not a whole lot of industrial and definitely not Combichrist. The stuff that still interests me pretty much tends toward the avant-garde and neo-folk side of things. So stuff like TG, Coil, and Current 93.

Death In June!!!!

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007

Slappy Moose posted:

This is kind of more TV related, but gently caress that.

The upcoming film Iron Sky has some really badass trailers, and one has some super sexy music to go along with it that you fellas might enjoy.

B Mashina has always been one of my favorite Laibach songs. Glad it's finally been used in a movie trailer, it's kind of perfect for that.

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007

Furret Basket posted:

It's short for Every Awful Band Ever In The Past Five Years.

True story, I accidently went to a Bring Me The Horizon show once (they were supporting MSI) and it was the worst music experience of my life.

I was at a bar once and some guys had british accents and I asked what they were in the area for and they told me they were roadies for a band. I asked what band and they said "Bring Me The Horizon" and I laughed in their faces. I was pretty drunk.

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007

Twiin posted:

well that's it, i quit industrial

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BMWq4AERzk

Oh my god they literally match up the beat to him brutalizing a woman


hatelull posted:

For the lot of you that have yet to seek out or care to be bothered with the handOver leak, Revolver magazine is premiering "Village" off of the new album.

The track has had a love/hate treatment at litany, with some muttering that it "sounds too much like KMFDM."

Turn it up. See if it sticks.
When I first heard the opening to that song I thought it was Sascha singing. I like the album overall but The Village is the weakest track

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007

hatelull posted:

This won't apply to most of you, but if you're on the West Coast I highly recommend trying to make one of these dates:



ohGr live does NOT disappoint, and this tour should be worth it if only for seeing "Pissage" and "Comedown" live. He tours with William Morrison, Justin Bennett(live Puppy drummer), and Squigg.

I'm making a rock n' roll one night flight to Denver to see them play.

I'm totally going to call into work so I can go to this since it's like, 15 blocks from where I live. Unfortunately this venue is like, all 16-year-old scene kids and 40-year-old goths wishing it was the 90's again. I'll probably just get wicked drunk in the alcohol section then punch teens in the face. It'll rule.

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007

hatelull posted:

Which date are you going to be punishing underage cretins?
December 2nd.

hatelull posted:

Not to turn this into a ugly drag out fight, but even by the early to mid 90's wasn't the "Goth Scene" mostly played out? I mean, by that point the Sisters were just a legend and some LP's, the Cure were writing rubbish like "Friday, I'm in Love", the Pups were quickly on their way to indefinite hiatus, and Reznor turned a lot of it into arena rock while Cleopatra quietly put Tribute albums out ad nauseum.

That whole thing reached it's zenith in the mid 80's right?

Yeah it was mostly played out, I'm referring to a specific age group that got into the 'alternative' scene in the 90's. They all seem to show up at this venue whenever there's a band remotely industrial/metal/gothy.

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007
Okay I must not be the only one who hasn't looked forward to a new Megaherz album for a while and hasn't enjoyed an Eisbrecher album since the release of their first one? Megaherz was alright, but they drifted into that generic German metal scene, and Eisbrecher was amazing on their first album, but then they allowed their live band members to help write songs and had the same result.

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007

CAT rear end now!!! posted:

Finally some Laibach news (again)




How many loving albums are there gonna be :psyduck: I mean, if those "two forthcoming albums" aren't Volkswagner and Laibach Revisited, what are they? I remember someone here meeting with Knez or someone else from Laibach and hearing that they also had yet another album, a "normal Laibach album" or something along those lines in the works as well :supaburn:

PS. Also gooodddd-daaaaaammmnn I can't wait for Iron Sky and the soundtrack
Goddammit Laibach come back to America!!!

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007

RizieN posted:

Yea I don't dress the part either, but if KMFDM ever came back to town I'd totally get all S&Med out with my wife and go have a hardcore german freak night with her.

All the KMFDM concerts I've been to have actually had a pretty diverse audience, style-wise. No other industrial band I've seen seemed to have such a colorful group come to see them.

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007

Furret Basket posted:

HOLY poo poo BOUGHT

I am totally stoked OMG LAIBACH. Yessss!

Color me jealous

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007
What's a good starting point for Xorcist? I've been meaning to get into them for a while.

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007
Sex sells. Really as simple as that.

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007

Love the quotes in the interview they highlighted hahah. That's perfect.

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007

CAT rear end now!!! posted:

And a second DWIFH album is apparently in very good shape, at least judging by the guy's Twitter updates. Very excited to hear what he has in store, and how his sound has evolved!
I talked to him after a concert like a year ago and he told me it was sounding like a mesh between The Downward Spiral and Too Dark Park.

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007

Pope Guilty posted:

There's no merit in shock value for shock alone; shock value's got to have a point or else it's just juvenile poo poo. Old-school industrial was often shocking, but there was a message and a point behind it, such as Skinny Puppy trying to draw attention to animal rights issues. Wallowing in poo poo for the sake of wallowing in poo poo is junior high school.

Laibach will always have been the band that did it best.

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007
I've never really listened to Covenant that much but they're playing on my birthday in my city so maybe I'll check them out before getting Birthday Hammered.

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007
Yeah but the Communist and Socialist parties are the most popular parties and organizations in the world, and for the most part the hammer and sickle represent a form of empowerment and liberation for people who are downtrodden or oppressed. While Europeans may have thought fascism was a good thing, they knew what fascism was, and accepted it despite that. Fascism (according to Mussolini's "What Is Fascism?") specifically rejected workers' power, democracy, and was very nationalistic as well as expansionist. This isn't just how the 'theory' of fascism played out when actually put into practice, this is specifically what it was meant to be from the beginning. I have no ideological qualms with not being offended by a hammer and sickle, simply because it stands for a general liberation for the masses (whether attainable or not); while images like the Confederate flag and the Swastika, while possibly holding special meaning for the (white) people who wave it, still represent racism, slavery, and genocide.

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007

Aufzug Taube! posted:

Either this is an elaborate troll or Thomas Rainer has literally declared war on industrial music.

Ahahah what a shween. "Austrian Imperial Industrial" hahaha it's like high school goth drama with a fascistic twist

Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007
Has anyone seen the Thrill Kill Kult on their tour or does no one care about them anymore? I missed them when there were here and am wondering if I missed out on anything.

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Zaiquiri
Mar 14, 2007

Halloween Jack posted:

As much as I'd like to blame misogyny in industrial music on those loving jocks invading it, I think a more likely theory is that the industrial scene has always carried an uneasy balance between coopting violent, militaristic imagery as a protest and embracing it for the power fantasy it provides. The fascism is coming from inside the scene!
While that is definitely true I think that also the fact industrial music became more 'mainstream' and less strictly political lead to this sort of thing too. The marketization and depoliticization of any music scene leads to it appealing to the least common denominator as well as removing any sort of 'real' transgressive aspects to it, which leads to people like the Nachtmahr dude donning fascist uniforms while simultaneously claiming that he 'isn't political' or whatever his dumb excuse is. Instead of using that imagery for a transgressive political and social message, it has become an empty signifier for the sake of having a signifier. Industrial music is considered much more 'mainstream' now than it was in, say, 1990, which means many designers, producers, and labels are going to turn it into a product to be marketed, not an establishment-challenging or culturally subversive work of art.

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