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qbert posted:Kalam/Tavore/T'Amber basically cutting a swath of Claw death across Malaz City I think you left out the spoiler from the other thread...
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qbert posted:You're right, edited. That's what happens when you copy/paste the post directly instead of checking the version showing tags. Hehe - I thought that's what may have happened. 
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Mar 2, 2011 16:48
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Icehawk_OS posted:What about this mega-thread that already exists? Check the last page of that thread.
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Mar 2, 2011 18:02
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Been reading TCG sporadically since yesterday - just at the part now where Fid's called together all of the seargeants/etc... for their post-massacre pep rally. Soo....I assume this probably gets expounded on later, but - did that short bit on QB early on suggest that he's at least part-Andii? Because if so I'm going to be telling a lot of people, "I told you so!"
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Mar 2, 2011 18:27
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A Nice Boy posted:I'm almost done, and there's been nothing about this. So, I doubt it.  That passage sure as hell sounds like he's using 'Mother' to refer to 'Mother Dark,' and potentially alluding to himself having drifted away from his Andii-ness due to the time he's spent among humans.I just wish this got resolved beyond such a vague segment, since the idea of him having Andii heritage is something I'd theorized about several times in the old thread (and which led to at least two arguments on the interpretation of his black skin ).
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Mar 2, 2011 19:35
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A Nice Boy posted:Well, as we've said in the past, it never describes Quick as being Andii-like at all. It just says that he's black, along with Kalam and most of the other denizens of Seven Cities. Whereas the Andii are very specifically described as being midnight or onyx colored...Pretty big difference, I figure. Yeah yeah, we've been over this (and I remember someone getting very heated about this in the old thread), but I still find it telling that Erikson tends to use skin colors literally (blue, black, ochre, rust, etc...) rather than in a way that applies to our own social norms. And for the record, on at least one occasion he describes Rake as having "jet-black" skin (and it is facial features that are referred to as having been 'cut from onyx'). Andarist is described as having skin "black as ebony." Arantha has "black skin faintly dusted." Etc... Again, my point is that he's pretty specific. He describes some as 'midnight,' some as 'black,' some as variations - which to me are intended to get across the slight difference in shades. Hence why, when he describes humans as having 'black' skin, I interpret it as is. Now, I'm using Andii inclusive of not necessarily being Andii, but having MD be his mother even if FD wasn't. And I think, as commented on above, it would make more sense for his original self to be some sort of MD-descendant / Andii-offspring than it would be for him to be human and in possession of an Andii soul. Also, IIRC he has significantly more than 6 souls in him...no? Habibi fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Mar 2, 2011 |
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Mar 2, 2011 22:05
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A Nice Boy posted:TCG: Also, hey may be talking to Mother Dark and Father Light, but that doesn't mean he's calling them HIS mother and father. They are NAMED Mother Dark and Father Light, so if he's talking to them or whatever he's going to call them Mother and Father, right? To the second, again, I'm not theorizing that he's Andii - my initial theory was that he carries Andii blood, sort of like the Shake, which is different and not at all unprecedented.
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Mar 2, 2011 23:06
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the periodic fable posted:i am one of the people who got heated up about it ( quote:another thing is also that it's simply illogical to me that one single person would somehow be a different skin colour to what we as humans are used to, even if that single person happens to be the rather extraordinary quick ben. i really feel that if erikson wanted us to imagine his human characters in ways you wouldn't normally expect a human to be or look, he would be a lot more obvious about it, because i can't think of any other instance where a 'standard human' is described as anything but very normal according to our 'social norms'
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Mar 2, 2011 23:16
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Illuyankas posted:The people from Seven Cities and the desert based Dal Honese have dark brown skin.
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Mar 3, 2011 08:12
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Daico posted:TCG Spoiler Heh heh, Hood turning up and eating Equity. "I have never much liked Forkrul Assail." I just read that bit this morning - hilarious. I pictured him making "nom nom nom" noises. Possibly not quite what Erikson had intended.
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Mar 4, 2011 19:01
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The Saddest Robot posted:I had a lot of trouble following that plot as well. I think it was something along the lines of Gruntle actually trying to get Treach killed by calling him forth where all the dragons were going to enter the world. I'm not sure if it was planning to call him forth specifically with the dragons in mind. I read it as he was basically going in expecting to get his rear end handed to him, and expecting as well that that process would somehow force Treach to make an appearance (whether in a "hey you kids, stop kicking my tiger!" or an "oh drat, I literally am unable to hold myself back when my tiger is getting the poo poo kicked out of him" manner). According to my Kindle I'm about 75% in now (was hoping to finish over the weekend but didn't have a chance  ). Crazy stuff happening left and right.- Kalam and QB tearing the FA new assholes, and mouth holes, and eye holes, and all sorts of other holes - Yedan Derryg butchering TLs and Hounds and Dragons and then... - Nimander finally climbing out of the enormous vagina he's been cocooned in since Midnight Tides - Shadowthrone giving as much poo poo to Draconus as he does to anyone else - And it's just getting started...
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Mar 7, 2011 23:46
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Grillad skinkmacka posted:She was imprisoned in Dragnipur I believe. It was mentioned that Draconus thought it would be some kind of gift but in the end when the chaos caught up it would have proven fatal for her. After Anomander saved her she decided to forgive the Andii and take up residence in Black Coral which he had sanctified beforehand. Not quite. I believe she turned away from the TA after, shall we say, a disagreement with Rake. Draconus then created Dragnipur to hold the Gate of Darkness because Chaos was pursuing it, so that the wagon would be forever dragging the Gate away from it. I don't think Rake 'saved' her, so much as he sacrificed himself to open a link allowing her to return should she so want.
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Mar 8, 2011 23:30
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Transistor Rhythm posted:I'm in the middle of MOI right now and absolutely love this damned series so much that I want to rush through to the end, but I'm a slow reader. There is some out there, but here's what I think the general breakdown comes to: Jaghut - tall, skinny, green skin, tusks jutting up from their jaw Jhag - smaller tusks, still tall, but it's a half-breed so other traits may depend on the other side (Icarium(half-Jaghut/half-Toblakai) is our only example?) Trell - shorter (still taller than humans), squatter, wide across, lumbering, probably fairly orc or ogre-like
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Mar 8, 2011 23:32
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Illuyankas posted:I've been thinking about Tiam and (TCG) T'iam, with that crazy broken-denoting apostrophe and I've had a couple of thoughts about it.
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Mar 11, 2011 23:21
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Turpitude posted:So there are still no copies of TCG anywhere in Toronto. I can't find a single one, and the one I ordered on Amazon says it won't ship until the 29th! This is a long shot, but if any Toronto goons have it I'll totally buy it off you. Couldn't someone just buy it and ship it to you, as well?
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Mar 14, 2011 23:19
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A Nice Boy posted:Is it on Kindle yet? Even if you don't have a Kindle, you could buy it and read it on your computer. There's free computer Kindle reader software on Amazon, I believe. Yup, since March 1st.
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Mar 15, 2011 00:26
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Masonity posted:I don't think anyone in the series can come even close to Kallor when it comes to suffering. Other than perhaps The Crippled God himself. Well if we're going to go in that direction, I might point out Draconus, who for hundreds of thousands of years got stuck into his own contained little invention.
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Mar 15, 2011 23:48
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Incidentally, and speaking of unresolved storylines - are we going to see what happens to Chaur in the Darujistan novels? Last we saw, his brain was rerouting the primary power couplings through auxiliary channels or something and turning him into some sort of Rainman-esque genius. Or something.
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Mar 22, 2011 22:12
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Vanilla Mint Ice posted:TCG and Hood spoilers Yeah about that, what the hell is this guy's plan? In the third book and in the past he was part of the main anti Crippled God gang. Now he is suddenly fighting for his release in between trying to save the world from chaos by getting himself killed by Anomander. My personal reading of that whole story (including Hood and Rake, etc...) is that TCG had been chained because his presence was causing all sorts of chaos - both in that it alone was affecting people/ascendants in the world and that, because he was in such a sorry state, others were able to 'use' him or bits of him for their own purposes. Chaining him was sort of a spot fix, and apparently one that had to be repeated every once in a while. Then ST and Cotillion went around and probably figured out that, hey, there's a way for us to send this cancer back to his own world, which would solve at least that problem on a permanent basis... My guess is that Hood/Rake/etc... saw the wisdom of this (not to mention, where Rake is concerned, the possibility of bringing back MD, and where Hood is concerned, to get the hell out of a role that he apparently isn't a huge fan of).
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Mar 23, 2011 17:44
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Junk Science posted:Reading Malazan and then moving on to The Wise Man's Fear has been really jarring. I enjoyed Name of the Wind a good deal, but now it just seems like young adult fiction. You can really tell that Rothfuss doesn't have anywhere near the life experience of someone like Erikson.
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Mar 25, 2011 19:05
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A Nice Boy posted:It's bizarre to me, the mainstream appeal Rothfuss's series has claimed already. I mean, his world and characters are great in ways, and there are the seeds of a great fantasy in there, but the books are so loving flawed for all the reasons we've stated...I just don't get it. Junk Science posted:Not to derail too much, but it really doesn't help when your premise is "the truth behind the legend is not at all what it seems," and then it turns out that Kvothe is actually pretty much exactly what he seems: awesome at everything from music to academics to magic to fighting to love(!). As a character he's incredibly boring. Decius posted:I liked them. They are of course completely different von Erikson, and not the same quality in my opinion, but still some quite good books and I was entertained well enough. Honestly, I think WMF suffered at least as much from poor editing as writing. A good editor would have kept that book to 500 pages instead of the 1000-and-change it ended up being.
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Mar 28, 2011 18:51
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Weaponized Cum posted:Tavore kills Felisin But did she know it?
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Mar 28, 2011 18:53
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Boogle posted:TCG Spoilers Not until the end she didn't I was just being a jerk.
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Mar 28, 2011 20:08
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02-6611-0142-1 posted:I dragged it out as long as I could because I didn't want it to end. quote:Other stuff: (TCG) Also, I liked that one of the dragons chained to Ruin's sword was named Kalse. That means that every KCCM spire is named after and probably modelled on one specific dragon that they liked.
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Mar 31, 2011 17:45
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Illuyankas posted:Korbolo Dom just made up his own assassin organisation and called them Talons. They're not connected to the originals, and Cotillion probably doesn't give a poo poo what they do. This. KB isn't the Talon Master - he just created an assassin organization and gave himself that title. Aside from not being connected to the originals, I'm pretty sure Kalam comments to himself at one point in DG or maybe MOI - in any case, while he was blowing through the Whirlwind camp taking them out by scores - about how they're also nowhere near as good as the real thing. Edit: the periodic fable posted:are you sure he actually called them the Talon? i seem to remember they were called something else but i might be mistaken.  over it. So I don't think there's evidence of any connection whatsoever, but he did use the name.Also, the whole 'Is Tavore the Talon Master?' bit hadn't occurred to me before, but would make some sense - especially as she had Baudin, an admitted Talon, shadow Felisin when she was shipped off to the mines. Habibi fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Mar 31, 2011 |
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the periodic fable posted:i realised the source of my confusion now, RotCG/HoC/whateveri was getting Korbolo Dom's Talon mixed up with the Black Glove mentioned in RotCG who operate inside the Claw and allowed Mallick Rel to take over control of the Claw from Laseen. Pshh...ICE, , am I right?
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Mar 31, 2011 20:44
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Boogle posted:House of Chains, Chapt.25, pp.929 (paperback edition): Which doesn't necessarily prove any connection to the original organization - only that they're trying to [poorly] emulate their tactics.
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the periodic fable posted:not sure how to take this Just poking fun at the fact that it was, of all things, an Esselmont story element that lead to the confusion. 
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coyo7e posted:So I caught this last night on my second re-read of Deadhouse Gates. "Jhistal priest." I get that they're supposed to be a destrier of an Old God? but I don't really get why Duiker seems so stoked to get a chance to get his hands around the throat of Mallick Rel, the priest of Mael who helped/pushed Pormqual into locking the gates on Coltaine.
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Illuyankas posted:So yes, that was the real Redmask, he was just a Letherii to begin with.
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the periodic fable posted:that was my idea too but i can't find any relevant sources for it right now quote:edit:while googling for malazan stuff i keep ending up on the malazan empire forums and those guys have the weirdest loving theories on everything
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Illuyankas posted:I'm assuming that because that strangled elder was the only person left from his tribe since he killed most of the elders and the rest of the tribe dwindled away from infighting and the Letherii, and no-one else who saw what's behind his mask was currently alive. As far as the Awl are concerned, Redmask is a badass Awl with a scaled mask. Redmask trained with those signature weapons while he had his mask, before the whole mess with his sister that Boogle described. So either a Letherii became incredibly skilled with these weapons while learning from the KCCM, or he's the original and he was always a Letherii captive raised by the Awl. quote:This is factually accurate, except that sometimes those theories are correct.
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adamarama posted:She definitely suffered, which is why I think it's a new type of magic. I think it's Reverence that comments that Sinn's magic is "alien", which makes me think it has something to do with the Crippled God. Beak suffered in much the same way as Sinn, and they're both extremely powerful mages. I'm thinking that they may have represented two extremes of the Crippled God, spite and compassion. This is pure speculation of course, but I'm really struggling to see how Sinn/Beak fit in with the other mages.
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Juaguocio posted:Good stuff indeed, though I hope ICE comes up with some better titles for his upcoming books. "I like bars. Topless bars."
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Junk Science posted:I would like a series of Erikson-written short stories about Iron Bars running through crowds, effortless breaking the necks of various badasses without breaking his stride. I would read this.
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Phummus posted:- Is there enough information dropped along in the series for the fans to piece together, with some degree of accuracy, who Quick Ben really is? He'll string us along for years until it turns out that, ta-da, QB is an illusory manifestation along the lines of Nefarious Bredd.
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Decius posted:I agree it would have been pretty interesting, however I disagree saying that any instance of Ubala kicking rear end is a waste. [spoiler]Knowing Ubala, he probably recognizes that Icarium can, like Draconus, probably kick his rear end, and will aim to keep him as happy as possible by dancing, screwing chickens, eating chickens, screwing then eating chickens, etc...[/spoiler
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Abalieno posted:Well, Abercrombie is great, but not exactly similar to Malazan. So it's a good recommendation in general but not so fitting to someone who likes Malazan I couldn't get more than 50 pages into Bakker's first book. And don't e'v'en g'et me s'ta'r't'ed on the nam'es.
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Bizob posted:That did indeed happen. The epilogue of that particular book also features a dragon raping an entire village to death one by one, complete with more black spunk. I just finished reading it about a month ago, not sure if I want to move on to book 3. WHAT THE gently caress
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Bizob posted:Bakker managed to plumb new depths. 
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