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H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006
Hi Tax Nerds, the investing thread suggested I try asking this here. Pretend I asked this 13 days ago.

Tax loss harvesting question, mainly to make sure I'm doing it correctly.



1. Verify basis is per tax lot (it is), verify that I am set to not reinvest dividends/cap gains (I'm not.)
2. Sell the red FSPSX, buy FSKAX with it.
3. Don't re-buy the FSPSX one until it's been 30 days.
4. Profit?

The one question I have is I see the rule for wash sales is 30 days before or after, does that matter if I'm selling the lots I bought <30 days ago as well?

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H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Epitope posted:

Hey tax nerds. I'm trying to comprehend what the guy above me is talking about. It sounds like the scheme from office space, only a real life thing that people do. Am I on track?

Yes. Google "tax loss harvesting".

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

MadDogMike posted:

Haven't messed much with this for my clients so take this with a grain of salt, but for this -


BlackMK4 posted:

Fidelity handles the accounting end of this for you, go look in the YTD tax activity tab. It'll also be handled in the tax form they send you.

IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, they also warn you if you're about to trigger a wash sale when you get to the trade confirmation dialog. It'll also put a blue W in the main view and next to the specific lots that are wash sales.

Thanks!

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Residency Evil posted:

Thanks. Out of curiosity, for those people using TurboTax/taxes on their own, what percentage of them have serious errors, and what’s the scale of those errors percentage wise?

Get a cpa to do it and never look back. It's been great. Don't go to h&r block (to undercut the above poster's business.) it's basically double-triple the cost of doing it with TurboTax once you have paid all their dumb upsells to actually file your taxes. Plus you aren't encouraging intuit.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

sale on Banksy art posted:

Lol Intuit has professional software used by tons of CPAs. There’s a good chance Intuit got your money anyway.

I know. :suicide:

My last guy I actually asked him what he used to check.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

MadDogMike posted:

Honestly last I checked most returns done by a preparer tend to charge pretty close to the same, which is always a bunch more than just do-it-yourself software. Like the aforementioned plumbing example, you’re paying extra to have a guy who does more of the work in a year than you do generally do in your lifetime perform it, so it’s a question of the money vs. experience/time for you like all professional work. All I can say to the people who devalue what we do is they generally have NO idea how much a screwup costs in time and frequently money until the scary IRS or state letter shows up. God knows I’ve had tons of people swear they’re not doing it again themselves after I had to fix it.

Yeah, I decided once I got well past 1040A land to just go all in having someone else do it. Anyone who is squarely 1040-EZ (I realize they recently changed a bunch of stuff here) should DIY it because why not, but if your life is complicated, forget it. Especially for mr evil up there and his doctor income. Just mail it all off to a CPA and be done with it.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006
I know I am already past the due dates for the payments, but in the interest of staunching the bleeding:

Quarterly taxes. Last year I owed the federal tax man $10k. So far this year I've only paid taxes on stuff that is withheld automatically, but I just got a huge chunk of money from ESPP sale which has had exactly $0 withheld from it. It's all short term "disqualifying disposition" so I know everything is effectively ordinary income rates. To date I've paid 105.3% of last years tax burden according to the "Federal Withholding" line on my most recent pay stub. Three more paychecks in 2019 puts me to 109.6%. I'm not afraid of the $LOL check, but I don't want to get hit with a bunch of penalties. Or more penalties.

Dr. Google says https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/020316/estimated-tax-deadlines-2016.asp says:

quote:

Current year safe harbor. If the estimated taxes you pay turn out to be at least 90% of your final bill for 2019 and you made payments on time, no penalties will apply.

Prior year safe harbor. If you use your 2018 tax bill as a barometer for your 2019 liability, you are penalty free if your adjusted gross income for 2018 was more than $150,000, the 2019 payments must be at least 110% of the 2018 bill.

Am I safe harbored from penalties so long as I hit that 110%?

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

C-Euro posted:

I'm updating my and my wife's W4s for the new year and I noticed that the Multiple Jobs/Spouse Works section has a shiny new box for determining withholding that says "if there are only two jobs total, you may check this box and do the same on Form W4 for the other job. This option is accurate for jobs with similar pay; otherwise, more tax than necessary may be withheld". Any educated guesses on how tight of a range "similar pay" is here? $5k or less maybe?

Whatever keeps you in the same marginal % should be close enough. If you have predictable income add them together, subtract the standard deduction, 401k, and then divide by pay periods. Use a flat number.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Artonos posted:

This is a shot in the dark. I occasionally take some things that we throw out at work and recycle them and split the money with a couple others at work. Do I have to pay taxes on that money? I have seen conflicting things online and the people at the scrap place say I don't have to.

It would be nice if I didn't have to, but I don't mind claiming it because it isn't that much. The people at the scrap place were really confident that it wasn't taxable.

Any income is taxable, including ill gotten gains. (Not saying this is ill gotten.)

Are you going to get caught over what I assume is a few hundred dollars cash each with no real name attached and reported? Unlikely. If the scrapper sends your name and info to the IRS then perhaps yes.

I would conveniently forget about it if it's under a grand and just agree with the auditor should it come to that. "Oh jeez I totally forgot about that. So I owe what on it? Let me write you a check right now." If it's over a grand have the guy with the lowest marginal rate claim it and pay the taxes before splitting it.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Ring of Light posted:

We have always taken the standard deduction but I have heard that once you own your home you usually come out ahead itemizing. Is there a resource you would recommend to educate myself on what kinds of expenses can be claimed? I’ve never paid much attention since it wasn’t even close before.

Once you own a home (or have other significant non-retirement assets) you really need an estate planning package. This helps you avoid probate when you die. It's a long drawn out process to divvy up your assets where, in california at least, the lawyers get paid a % of assets probated. This includes things like your house.

Your estate plan can also help you with the whole getting on with dying part, as it should include an advanced medical directive. Check the box that says pull the plug.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

ARCDad posted:

I'm getting married in May of this year, but my fiance's company just told her that if she needs to change her witholdings, then that needs to happen by friday. A few questions on this:
1) Do we both need to change witholdings on checks?
2) What's better? Filing jointly at tax return time this year, or filing separately?
2A) Can we file together this year, or do we have to wait till next year? This tax stuff is confusing

Don't overthink it. Once married just hand HR a new w-4. They will figure it out.

Mfj is the only way to fly. You can do it starting in the year you marry. It's only hard if you have wildly different incomes or your combination of incomes jumps you a serious tax bracket.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Buckhead posted:

A start-up I use to work at was recently acquired in an all-cash deal. The deal is closing in the coming days. I am trying to figure it out if the proceeds from the sale are income tax or short/long term capital gains.

Here is the timing:
-Began working there in 2013
-Options began vesting in 2014
-Options continued to vest through when I left the company in March 2019
-Executed all options and purchased stock in May 2019
-Deal closing and stock purchased for cash by acquiring company in January 2020


So I have owned the stock for less than a year, but I have owned the majority of the options for over a year. Any ideas?

As others said, it's STCG, but what isn't mentioned is only on the spread between what you're paying taxes on in our 2019 return and the sale price. Assuming they were ISO's you're potentially looking at a huge AMT hit as they spread between your exercise price and FMV when you exercised and did not dispose of them in that year is all income on the amt worksheet.

For example, assuming ISO's:
Option exercise price: $1
FMV when you exercised: $2
Sale price in the stock sale: $4.

This means you owe $1 in AMT income worksheet for your 2019 taxes, which you can potentially carry over into future years, and $2 in STCG on your 2020 return.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Buckhead posted:

Thanks for the help all.

I had multiple option grants and for each one the strike price was different to reflect the latest FMV from the most recent the 409a valuation. So does that still apply to me?

Either way, I realize I need to talk to a tax professional about this. Working on that next week.

Yup this is the time to hire a cpa. It's the fmv at exercise time that matters. They will give you all the forms you need. Probably.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

MorrisBae posted:

Question - I initiated a rollover from my 401k (traditional) of a previous employer to my IRA (traditional) in December 2019

I received an acknowledgement from my IRA custodian that the rollover request had been submitted to my 401k provider with an acknowledgment date of 12/30/2019

I'm assuming the actual transfer will happen in the next month or so

Will this have any implications on my 2019 taxes? Or will I report the rollover on my 2020 taxes since that's when the actual rollover of funds will happen?

I requested a wire transfer from the 401k to the IRA, so I won't be taking it as a check distribution

Report whatever the form says but it will almost certainly be the actual transaction date so 2020.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006
For several years I just did it all in TurboTax online, did their document preview at the end, and transcribed it all into the paper forms. Costed a stamped envelope. gently caress you Intuit and congress.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Discendo Vox posted:

Just to be clear it doesn't mean we somehow don't wind up looking at your W2s, there's no One Weird Trick here. It means we have to both make you provide copies of them to us, and, sometimes request that a storehouse mail us your original return.

I'm mad you aren't funded to the point of diminishing returns on ROI. :argh: :argh:

I'm also mad that transcripts don't show my non-deductible IRA contributions. :argh:

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Small White Dragon posted:

Did the TCJA changes make your job easier or harder? Heard the number of people itemizing has gone from ~30% to ~10%.

Last year made me audibly laugh. I was at $23,9xx in itemized deductions. Took the standard for the first time in a while. Thanks SALT cap. :confuoot:

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

gvibes posted:

He's one of a few that is very familiar with my partnership's tax structure.

Ask him to bone up real quick. Your ask isn't that uncommon and doesn't seem complicated on the surface. It's 1 extra form you need them to handle and he likely needs professional development hours to maintain his CPA.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Missing Donut posted:

We’re in rough agreement. H110 was making it sound like the other CPA is not fit to be hired by the poster, which I took issue with.

Just a suggestion, I don't know enough to know if they should or should not do it. Figured one professional development research project was as good as any other. :shrug:

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

The Bananana posted:

I am im some trouble.

They're pretty taxes, otherwise. No business, no stocks, no property, etc. Just simple 1040 ez, i think.

You're not in trouble unless you owed, even then you're not in much trouble assuming you can afford it, it's flat rate penalties and interest. Just do whatever you previously did to file your taxes, in order. I've skipped a year or two previously and it never amounts to anything if you're owed a refund. Make sure you're using the software or forms from those specific years. If the software doesn't support it you're on to other software or paper forms. If in the end you don't want to do the paper by hand, hire a tax preparer to handle it for you. It will be fine.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Residency Evil posted:

Yeah I've run the numbers and we fall in to the "marriage penalty" bracket.

I double checked my numbers with Turbotax and came within $100 of Taxhawk on my Federal return. Ah well.

I had this happen my first year of marriage as well. I made half what my wife (at the time a big law attorney) made. Our taxes shot up due to me under withholding all year and my IRA being non-deductible.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

BonerGhost posted:

While you may under-withhold after marriage by not taking your combined income into account, the 'marriage penalty' (I hate calling it that, it's the cessation of certain tax reliefs for high earners) is when you literally have a higher tax liability married than the sum of your liabilities while single. You each were able to use certain deductions while single, but can't double them up once you marry, or combining your income puts you over the threshold for things like the Medicare surtax.

SALT deductions changed quite a bit in 2018, maybe that was it. To tell what changed, you'd really have to compare taxes, credits, and deductions from year to year.

More examples: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marriage-penalty.asp

Yeah I forget the exact details, and I know tax payment/refund isn't indicative of anything about your obligation going up/down just how well you estimated it over the year. I think most of it was under withholding and bumping some amount into the Medicare surcharge which neither of us had withheld.

It was many years ago now.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Ciaphas posted:

A CPA I was recommended wants $400 for my federal+state return, with my two W2s and twofour 1099Rs. That seems an alarmingly high cost; that and MadDogMike's answer to my previous question has me leaning toward self-filing what I've already put together in FreeTaxUSA.

I'm confident I've got what I have filled in correct, and at this point from going over my 2019 bank statements I'm 99% sure I have all my income sources covered for. If I'm wrong, any dollar amounts will me minor. Nevertheless: how arduous is the amendment process, and how hard - if at all - would I get dinged by the IRS over and above whatever refund money I'd have to return?

Amendments are way easier than the initial process if for no other reason than they tell you what you hosed up and you're already familiar with the forms. I pay around $250/year for mine to be done by a CPA.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Discendo Vox posted:

Please see my post from earlier about filing an amended return mid-audit. No better way to increase how much you owe than forcing another month of interest and delay on your outstanding amount.

I should have clarified - I've had them kicked back for amendment by the IRS which was super easy to fix (transcribed a number wrong.) I've also had to amend later when a form I forgot about came in super late. Also easy, just jump to where that form goes then recompute on down from there.

Never been audited, knock on wood.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

tumblr hype man posted:

How would this work when you can reimburse yourself at any point down the road? If I take the tax benefit of spending 10% of my income now, and then reimburse myself 30 years later am I supposed to file an amendment?

No you aren't supposed to reimburse for things you already took a distribution on. It's tax fraud. You're really exceedingly unlikely to get caught though.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

tumblr hype man posted:

You mean deduction not distribution right? I don't have an HSA anyway, but what an easily cheated system.

Today you deposit $1000 into your hsa. That is legally deducted from your agi, making it pre-tax money.

You incur $10,000 in expenses on $50k of income and deduct the amount over 10% of your income from your agi ($5k). This makes $5k of it pretax.

In 30 years you have $10k in your hsa. You can legally reimburse the remaining $5k as its the only amount that was still paid with post-tax money.

That's it. To my understanding.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

The Rev posted:

In September my wife rolled over a standard 401(k) from a previous employer to her Vanguard Roth IRA account. As far as we understood, that would mean that come tax time we’d own taxes on that rolled over amount, which we were/are prepared for.

I handed off my tax documents off to our accountant and today they called back to let me know what I owe, which was considerably less than expected. After discussion we realized the difference was down to the rollover amount. I looked at the 1099-R we received in the mail and noticed it’s noted as (Box 7) Distribution code G rollover, and the taxable amount is listed as blank.

The accountant is saying it’s a mistake in our favor and if they change it, we would not only owe the taxes on it (which we were prepared to owe), but also a 10% penalty for being under age 59.5. I thought that the 10% penalty was only if you took the money directly, or waited more than 60 days after getting the money before moving into another retirement account?

The money was sent as a check to our house (but made out to Vanguard), which we then forwarded to Vanguard a day later. Vanguard deposited the amount into the Roth IRA account and never raised any flags. We never deposited any money from the rollover process to a personal bank account.

G is correct. Did Vanguard know that the funds were Traditional and not Roth when you deposited them? The tax should be trivial to calculate - either you owe exactly $0 (trad->trad) or you owe your marginal rate as ordinary income. I think your accountant is loving up here, and that Vanguard didn't know you were doing a Trad->Roth conversion.

I would call Vanguard and ask them about it, first. In theory the tax form comes from them for the conversion to Roth. Then once you know, I would talk to your accountant about it.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

The Rev posted:

I unfortunately don't remember if the original check explicitly mentioned that the funds were Traditional, though I thought I remembered seeing "401(k)" somewhere on there. I suppose I should have made a copy of what was sent over to Vanguard at the time. That being said the 1099-R I have now is not from Vanguard, it's from the previous employer that that we rolled the money over from. I never received a 1099-R from Vanguard and when I log into my wife's Vanguard Roth IRA account and go into the tax form center, there are no forms available for download. Should I get in contact with Vanguard and ask them to furnish a 1099-R for me/ask where there isn't one present for download currently? I appreciate your time and assistance, H110.


No, that box is blank. Essentially the only boxes filled in are 1 (Gross Distribution), 2b (Total Distribution box has an X), 7 (Distribution Code = G), and 13 (state/Payer's State no.)

My bet is on Vanguard assuming those were Roth funds that you deposited. You probably clicked right past something telling you about some responsibility something something. Once they know they were pre-tax dollars I imagine they will re-characterize it into Trad and say "that's it, and 2019 is correct", and the tax obligation might move into 2020 depending on exactly what they do and the rules around it. (I have no clue there.)

Doesn't explain why your accountant isn't getting the right number.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

The Royal Nonesuch posted:

Real basic question here because oh god I am not good with forms or taxes. I'm single and standard deduction.

Doing my (very simple) taxes online today, and would have essentially been dead even with the Feds except for taxes on interest earned/1099-INT from a high-yield savings account I opened late 2018. It wasn't a huge amount owed (<$200), and my state refund covered it plus, but I'd like to adjust my withholdings for this year to get it back closer to even or a small +/- amount. Looking at my W4, there seems to be two ways to do this?:

W4 section 4(a): do I enter the anticipated interest earned here? Does this automatically calculate and withhold per paycheck based on what you enter?
W4 section 4(c): enter $xy here to be deducted per paycheck, calculated to cover anticipated interest earned divided by 24 paychecks?

Don't overoptimize this. $200 in taxes either way could swing just from the interest rates fluctuating or tax law changing mid-year. But yes, you can just say "ok I think I will make $1000 in interest, so 22% of that is Y, divide by pay periods, and slap that in the "withhold this much extra" line.

I would just write the check at the end of the year. It's actually earning you more money this way.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

dexter6 posted:

Thanks all.

It seems as though my incorrect assumption was that since taxes were withheld from my RSU and ESPP sales, I was good to go. I didn’t realize they weren’t withholding the correct amount for me, but instead was a standard rate.

I’ll keep my allowances at zero, and jack up my additional withholding a this year!

My options are withheld at a static 22% and ESPP at 0%, but all of the income flows to my W-2. This means my marginal rate on the wages is correct, but the options are off by >=0% (depending on when in the year) and the ESPP is off by the entire amount. The easiest way to get this to come out correct is to make a payment on pay.gov every time there is a major event, though this means tracking the receipt for that. Or do what I do, aim to be within the safe harbor and smugly cut the government a check at tax time knowing it's ever so slightly advantageous to me.

I keep a folder on my desk or each years taxes that are "active" (so 2019 and 2020 right now). Any time I do something tax related I print off a hard copy and put it into the relevant folder. It's me, the person who owns a printer and gets paper statements in TYOOL2020

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

The Gardenator posted:

Never had to deal with trusts before, so here is a hypothetical:

If someone becomes a successor trustee due to death of person who was in name "Blank Revocable Living Trust", they should:

1) get an EIN for the trust
and
2) file a 1041 for the trust (assuming the trust reached the minimum income threshold).

Any other reasons they would have to file a 1041? Also if income is zero and nothing was paid out to beneficiaries, does the trust still need to file a 1099k for the beneficiaries?

You should see an estate planning attorney to make sure you do it correctly. It varies by state and the specifics of the trust documents itself.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006
Asset allocation question for optimizing taxes. I own a mix of domestic and international total market index funds spread across trad ira and taxable brokerage. I got in my form 1099-DIV and line 7 shows $203 of Foreign Tax Paid which looks like I can take as a credit. Does this mean that any Total International Index Fund I'm holding in IRA's just lost that credit and I should exchange stuff around so 100% of my international allocation is in my taxable brokerage account to optimize my taxes?

For example, fake numbers:

Current:
IRA: $70k Total Domestic; $30k Total International
Taxable: $70k Total Domestic; $30k Total International

Future:
IRA: $100k Total Domestic
Taxable: $40k Total Domestic; $60k Total International

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Residency Evil posted:

Lol man hopefully next year we do a better job with our W4s, because this year between state and federal taxes we underpaid by 16k.

I'm still confused as to at what point I should be looking at getting an accountant.

Add your two expected incomes together. Look at the marginal rate. Make sure you withhold at that rate on your w-4. If you are likely to earn similar amounts this year just pick one of your W-4's and add $1300/month to it making no other changes. I assume you're individually withholding at 32% or 35% but because you're both high earners more or less one of your incomes should be withheld entirely at the top marginal rate - not the ramped up amount. Easiest way is to compare stubs quarterly and make sure you're tracking correctly and pay quarterly taxes on the difference that isn't within the safe harbor.

Or maybe just set it to Single and that should solve a lot of it.

That will be $300.

H110Hawk fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Feb 29, 2020

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Pollyanna posted:

Am I loving myself over more than necessary by using TurboTax "free" (i.e. they take a chunk out of your refund), or is that one of the better options?

Yes. They charge you a premium for the loan. Also gently caress Intuit. Why would you voluntarily give them money, let alone part of your refund?

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006
Welp, turbotax seems to have correctly calculated my ESPP basis, unlike fuckin Jerry. Jerry is fired. After he fixes my return from last year which I now know he definitely messed up on, but the amount he was off wasn't enough to set off any alarm bells. This year he came up with a :stare: number.

To add a question: Do any of the "minor" (non-Intuit/H&R Block) tax prep companies have a good ESPP calculation system? I know the target numbers now and I would rather not pay Intuit to continue their quest against a sane tax return system.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

KillHour posted:

If I get audited, I'm buying you the most annoying avatar.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

MadDogMike posted:

Speaking of which, how about all those stimulus questions, huh? Given how bad it is at our office I shudder to imagine what the actual IRS phone lines are like right now. No people, if you had like $1.20 in taxable income you do NOT need to suddenly file a 2019 return just to get your stimulus check, though I grant you may be waiting a while without direct deposit info on file. Hope the less ethical bastards aren’t trying to literally scare up business with that sort of thing.

I can imagine some payday loan place is already trying to figure out a way to have people file their taxes with the payday loan places ACH info in exchange for getting $500 stimulus cash RIGHT NOW.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

MadDogMike posted:

No to both (lots of programs generate the changed 1040, but that's just for your personal reference, NOT to be sent in, and the only time I'd consider adding the W-2/1099 is if what you're correcting is leaving them off the return), just send the 1040X and the forms you mentioned. Though if you're in a state with income tax you may wish to review amending that return as well since the change in capital gains may affect that as well.

Thank you. I need to do this as well.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006
Ask friends at work how it's worked for them in the past. Becoming an llc member is when I decided to start getting professional help. Ask them how quarterly taxes are handled.

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H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

CMYK BLYAT! posted:

I've exercised and sold a bunch of ISOs. Is there any way for me to pay the capital gains tax now (I've already filed my 2019 return) instead of holding onto the expected tax until next March? I've held them for long enough that they're long-term and am basically guaranteed to fall into the 15% bracket, so I don't expect that there'd be any ambiguity about my liability.

Multiply the upside by 15% and punch it into pay.gov if you insist on prepaying your tax liability. Your 2019 return has no bearing on this if you did it in 2020. Remember that ISO's have special treatment. Did you exercise them a year before you sold them? Holding the option doesn't start the ltcg timer. Holding shares does. I forget the exact iso rules, but if you exercised in 2019 and sold in 2020 then those shares are in your amt calculation in you 2019 taxes.

Make a new account at your bank (ally/capital one 360 makes this easy), call it taxes, dump the estimated amount in there, ignore it until 2021.

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