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pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


asked about this in the stock thread, but no replies there. so, trying the tax thread...:

anyone here know the tax treatment for schedule K-1 volatility ETF gains (or losses) in a tax-advantaged IRA? free and clear or those gains taxable?

in particular, SVXY:
https://www.proshares.com/funds/svxy.html
https://etfdb.com/etf/SVXY/#etf-ticker-profile

proshares just says check with your tax advisor:
https://www.proshares.com/faqs/volatility_commodity_currency_proshares_taxation_faqs.html
(question #10)

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pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


is anyone who filed taxes at the deadline still waiting on their electronic refund?

not an issue for me, I'm just curious as to how the IRS is doing this year (efficiency-wise)

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


all numbers here made up, I just want to make sure I understand something with regard to tax loss harvesting on capital gains:

in tax year 2022 you have a $1 billion overall realized loss on capital gains. (to give an absurd example).
in tax year 2023, you have a $10k overall realized capital gains.
in each year, you have $100k other ordinary income

how is the carried-forward loss applied to the 2023 capital gains for taxes?

on one hand, you have basically infinite losses to carry forward. so the $10k could be entirely offset by that, no taxes to be paid on them.

but I have also read that only $3,000 can be applied carry forward per-year to ordinary income. thus, you'd have a $3,000 deduction for the 2022 losses in every year going forward until you died (edit: and it would NOT fully offset the 2023 capital gains)

which is correct? I think it's the latter? if it's the latter, it seems there's not a whole lot of benefit to ending the year with significant overall realized net losses, yes?

to be clear this is to answer something for a family member with a terrible advisor, not for me

edit: just read info elsewhere that leads me to believe it's the first case, where the prior year capital losses can be used to offset future capital gains in any year

pmchem fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Oct 17, 2022

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


sullat posted:

I think most Americans are well aware that expats don't even start to pay taxes until they're over $100k in foreign earned income and they get a dollar for dollar credit towards foreign taxes paid, so whatever measly amount of taxes they do pay to Uncle Sam more than covers their share of the cost of the expeditionary force that will come and get them if things go south.

you vastly overestimate median knowledge of the tax system. most americans don't even understand how their own progressive tax brackets work.

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


ok, you two, knock off the slapfighting. this is a tax thread not a politics thread or eat-the-rich thread. thanks.

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


Gabriel Grub posted:

I'm a CPA and international tax specialist, so insert your entire head up my rear end in a top hat and lick me clean with this bullshit.

The USA is the only country in the whole world that will pursue that thousand dollars, while simultaneously intervening to prevent totally normal retirement investing.

I get that that international taxes are personal for you but knock it off with the aggro posts. This post is terrible. I'd give you a sixer but you're in Japan and probably about to sleep it off.

I did not expect the tax thread of all places to have a year-end meltdown. Next person to pick a fight in here in 2022 gets a long posting vacation.

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


what in the hell?

there’s a breaking-bad-jesse explaining to walt meme in there somewhere about how he messed up his taxes and got audited, but I’m too tired.

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


just as a heads up for anyone who did a backdoor roth through vanguard and then closed the now fully-converted trad IRA (it's auto-closed at EOY by VG is the balance is zero):

your 1099-R for the closed trad IRA will NOT be displayed on the default (new scheme) vanguard UI. you have to click on a link about missing documents to go back to the OLD vanguard UI website, which actually has ALL the relevant tax year documents (including for closed accounts).

just no :wtc: large enough for all the repeated failings of vanguard's "transition" to a new web UI and its related mobile app

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


smackfu posted:

I’ve never had that happen.

hmm, I don't recall asking a VG rep to specifically do it, but I also didn't click the button myself. maybe I'm misremembering on that point. regardless, it's gonna be a common thing for people who do fully converted backdoor roths, where the (temporary, like only need for less than a week) trad IRA is closed after conversion. if you're doing this with VG -- watch out for that 1099-R hidden away on an old non-default page!

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


friends don't let friends buy mutual funds in taxable accounts

even vanguard mutual funds have eaten dirt on this before (e.g. the TDF debacle)

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


Methanar posted:

wait so me holding fxaix in my unregistered is bad?
I just started doing that

oh it's not bad per se, I mean it's a huge index fund that presumably you're holding in a fidelity account and it has minimal tax worries.

I just have a preference for using ETFs, they are super convenient and fewer types of potential tax worries.

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


H110Hawk posted:

Actively managed mutual funds turn over stock a ton. I missed the account balance but it's all within reach.

Where should I hold them then? Or what should I be buying in my taxable account?

well, more of a subject for the long term thread and clearly there's no one size fits all "correct" answer for this, but if you want to use ETFs instead of mutual funds, some suggestions are at the boglehead site here:
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Three-fund_portfolio#Other_than_Vanguard,_Boglehead-style
(see section subtitled "Three-fund portfolios using exchange-traded funds")

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


Baddog posted:

Hahaha it looks like it worked!

lmao. now email and fax some people about the online app throwing a 101

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


it's the annual black friday / cyber monday turbotax sale:
https://www.amazon.com/TurboTax-Deluxe-State-2023-Amazon/dp/B0CNB2JNDM

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


MrLogan posted:

Looks like it's still more than twice as expensive as freetaxusa.com.

we tried both that and the online turbotax last year. online turbotax got us a lower tax bill and we weren't audited :shrug:

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


dunno what to tell you guys; we went through the turbotax returns line by line before submission and everything looked correct. I didn't have the leisure that weekend of picking apart what freetaxusa was missing. someone else is welcome to compare the two this tax year and post results in thread.

it's not an uncommon occurrence for the two to differ, here's one trivially googleable result where freetaxusa was not doing something right related to a new kid:
https://www.reddit.com/r/tax/comments/tdji9f/i_compared_my_returns_from_turbotax_vs_freetaxusa/

I don't care what software people use, I was just pointing out a sale for those who do use turbotax

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


tax folks how hosed is this MIT guy?

https://twitter.com/billackman/status/1735499808176026038?s=46

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


in a well actually posted:

Not a tax guy but DAFs and similar structured charity donations are wildly fucky and so full of self dealing* that this barely registers. I am reasonably confident MIT’s experienced advancement legal staff (as evidenced by their extensive engagement with Epstein) fig-leafed this with enough arms length technicalities to give him cover.

Trump was directly writing checks out of the charity account directly for incredibly blatant non-allowed expenses.

Part of Ackman’s recent ire around the ivies was his own tax dodge ivy scheme where he donated $10M of (pre IPO) stock to Harvard with a contract that if it appreciated he had the option to buy it back and they had the temerity to sell it instead of holding it (this was in Levine’s newsletter recently)

* Barbara Bush donating money to Katrina relief with the condition that it had to be spent on educational software from her son’s lovely company sticks in my mind.

well, to clarify the ackman bit, he did NOT have an option to buy it back if it appreciated. from Levine's Money Stuff:

quote:

The stock he was giving was valued at $10 million, but Ackman said he agreed with Harvard that if the value went below $10 million he would make up the difference. But if the company went public and the stock was worth more than $15 million, he would have the right “to allocate the excess realized value” above that amount to any Harvard-related initiative of his choice.

and then money stuff quoting an ackman tweet,

quote:

In Wall Street speak, Harvard had a put to me at $10m, and I retained a call at $15m, with the right to allocate the excess value to the Harvard initiative of my choice.

and the thing he was mad about,

quote:

He was informed that Harvard Management Co., which oversees the $51 billion endowment, had sold the stock back to Coupang in a private transaction in March 2020. Ackman said no one from Harvard Management or the administration contacted him at the time to ask if he wanted to buy back the stock or to apologize after the fact for missing out on $75 million of potential gains.

so it's very different than how you described it. he was mad that harvard made a bad trade without consulting him, making him miss out getting his name on another building or program or whatever. he wasn't personally getting profits or missing any new tax benefit.

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


Ungratek posted:

Just to confirm - both of those w-2s are yours correct? That’s what your return is showing.

always happy when BFC helps another goon navigate things :unsmith:

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pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


anyone who has used both have a personal opinion about turbotax online vs. standalone download?

https://thefinancebuff.com/tax-software-online-or-desktop.html

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