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That makes sense within US, but those most likely didn't end up in Helsinki, Melbourne or different Japanese cities. Long lasting paint sounds like a good explanation. Yellow against sun light, green against road debris. But it still feels surprising that these colors would have such an advantage to be favoured so widely. My initial thought was that some iconic tram city would have used these colors and work as an example, but I can't think of what city it could have been.
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Saukkis posted:My initial thought was that some iconic tram city would have used these colors and work as an example, but I can't think of what city it could have been. Maybe not a tram. In the 1890s in both the US and UK, Pullman painted their sleepers a dark green with a cream band at window level. "Pullman" was enough of a byword for luxury railroad travel that it was well known outside of the countries that Pullman operated in. Some cities even had regional slang that referred to bigger trams as Pullmans. It is possible that they were intentionally mimicking Pullman's livery.
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Melbourne Trams used to be yellow and green in the same pattern too.
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Saukkis posted:Speaking of color, is cream yellow and green some kind of traditional color for trams? That has been the color scheme for Helsinki trams, but I have also seen pictures of Japanese trams with identical coloring. Yep, Melbourne Trams, Trains and Buses were in Green and Gold (well, cream) for Metropolitan Transit Authority (The Met) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Transit_Authority_%28Victoria%29 Some photos below, all from the Vicsig website which is full on gunzel, recording everything possible to do with trains and trams in Victoria, Australia: Look at the portal for Trams on their site https://vicsig.net/index.php?page=trams§ion=rollingstock Restored City Circle tram SW6.946 undergoing testing at Preston Workshops (Friday, 7th December 2012)  Z Class tram number 1, in 1999  Z3.118 and Z3.188 cross at La Trobe and Swanston Streets, City  B1 Class tram 2001 is photographed here at 20:01 on 20-01-2001 at South Melbourne Beach - route 01 - terminus  And while The Met was broken up and privatised by a previous government, the green and gold (and white) colour scheme still exists for trams, the Z Class and B classes were also refurbished just the other year for a final end of life extension. The newest class of tram, built over the last decade, the E Class (and E2 varient for the newer ones)   While a smaller G Class is about to go into production to slowly replace Z class trams over the next 15 years. The Cowards skipped F Class. The E Class draws heaps of power and required substation upgrades across the routes they run, so the G class will draw less power (being lighter trams) allowing them to more frequently than E class trams can on un-upgraded routes.  ChickenOfTomorrow posted:Orange is also the best color for mass transit and light rail And speaking or Orange, at the same time as the Met was Green and Gold, V/Line was Tangerine and Grey back in the 80s and 90s and it owns. V/Line were the regional passenger Train, Coach and Freight operator, still running today as a Govt owned company, although the freight arm was spun off as V/Line Freight which eventually became Pacific National. A Class loco in 1992  A Classes with powervans and carriages  N Class in orange  A66 was restored a decade ago and got a new coat of paint in 2022 when it was handed over to a heritage group, who lease it out when they're not running it. And a Y Class in its ugly purple and hazard yellow livery, shunting carriages in the current purple livery.  A66 and two N classes pulling a tour train on a section of 'skyrail'  And way back the Hitachis were good, silver beasts with a touch of green and gold running through the suburbs  And the wonderful comeng (commonwealth engineering) in the original faceplate and livery, they're still in service with multiple refits and upgrades but the fronts are ugly as gently caress now  And funnily enough the Z class trams were orange when they were first built in 1979... Random Melbourne/Victoria post, anyway i grabbed all these images (and re-uploaded them on imgur) from Vicsig, check out and keep refreshing the random photo page for a wide selection of photos ranging from gunzel photography to track repairs, various liveries etc: https://vicsig.net/photos/randomphotos drunkill fucked around with this message at 12:27 on Feb 6, 2024 |
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Saukkis posted:Long lasting paint sounds like a good explanation. Yellow against sun light, green against road debris. But it still feels surprising that these colors would have such an advantage to be favoured so widely. Cream/green was also common (not standard, but common) on municipal trams and buses in the UK from the 1950s to the 1970s. And it was one of the schemes that British Railways experimented with in its early days when looking for a new standard livery for coaching stock (they also tried chocolate/cream, dark purple/white and all-over wine red before settling on crimson/cream). They were also virtually the default colours for painting public or industrial buildings - find a school, library, hospital, council house, military base, factory etc. that was built or refurbished in that time and there is a good chance that, inside and out, it will have dark green and cream paint. Those colours (more accurately, paints in those colours) were cheap to make, durable, looked smart, hid dirt and resisted atmospheric pollution. They had also been made in vast quantities during WW2 so not only were the paint companies geared up to make it in volume at low prices but there were loads of tins of it available as military surplus.
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Saukkis posted:That makes sense within US, but those most likely didn't end up in Helsinki, Melbourne or different Japanese cities. its not *that* hard to believe. PCC cars (built by and for us tram operators) ran in Barcelona and Sarajevo
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Toronto PCC streetcars were red and cream, not green. The new ones are red and white (same as all their buses).
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drunkill posted:The newest class of tram, built over the last decade, the E Class (and E2 varient for the newer ones) 
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drunkill posted:And way back the Hitachis were good, silver beasts with a touch of green and gold running through the suburbs Don't tell lies, drunkill; The Hitachi's were never good.
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The E60CP was lots of things, but beautiful was not one of them. Neither was the E-44. Or the GM6C
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My God, it’s like they designed that horn to be the most loving annoying sound in the history of all of mankind
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Don't tell lies, drunkill; The Hitachi's were never good. they had the best seats, if they weren't cut up, remember actual thick foam seats on trains? Also you could open the windows.
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drunkill posted:they had the best seats, if they weren't cut up, remember actual thick foam seats on trains? You're forgetting they had no air conditioning, drunkill. It wasn't a thing until the last handful of the drat things were pushed back into use. Any time it was over 30, it was abominable in one of those tin cans. Also no legroom for the most part, let alone the dreaded Corner Seat.
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Z3.188 is the tram I did my Z class driving qualification on many years ago.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:You're forgetting they had no air conditioning, drunkill. It wasn't a thing until the last handful of the drat things were pushed back into use. Any time it was over 30, it was abominable in one of those tin cans. I remember going to high school in the 90s and every time a Hitachi would turn up to the station on a summer's day there was always a groan of pain from most users. However they do ride better than the Xtrapolis shitheaps. God drat I hate their non-airbag bouncy ride. One of them gave me motion sickness. Also bring back the thick foam seats from the Comeng and Hitachis
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Neddy Seagoon posted:You're forgetting they had no air conditioning, drunkill. It wasn't a thing until the last handful of the drat things were pushed back into use. Any time it was over 30, it was abominable in one of those tin cans. I forgetting it a bit given its been 20 years since i caught them to highschool, but yeah. Also going through the city loop with the windows down was deafening. But they were still good trains, better than the xtraps and siemens replacing them, and OG comengs with the big seats, so good.
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The record for the world's longest train has been broken. The new holder is 30 kilometers long and can be found in eastern Ukraine. Russia found a new way to build a barricade. https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1756727579422187969 This raised a little discussion in the Cold War thread and stirred a question for me. If you tried to push from the side between cars with a tank or a bulldozer, would they have enough power to break the coupling connection?
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I suspect not, but more that whatever you're pushing against is going to fail way before you need the couplers to fail.
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They have engineering equipment and explosives. Cut the knuckles off with a torch/cutting charge/power saw, push the car off the rail. Not an intractable problem.
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Yeah, but doing so means stopping in one place long enough to be ranged by artillery. It's not impenetrable, but I have to assume it's going to slow them down a bit. If the cars are say, hoppers full of large rocks, shifting them is going to be even more of a problem.
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Disgruntled Bovine posted:Yeah, but doing so means stopping in one place long enough to be ranged by artillery. It's not impenetrable, but I have to assume it's going to slow them down a bit. If the cars are say, hoppers full of large rocks, shifting them is going to be even more of a problem. Combat engineers breach obstacles under fire. That’s their job. With enough explosives and horsepower, you can accomplish almost anything. Former USSR states use a different coupler style than US roads anyways. The benefit of not modernizing RRs until the third generation of coupler technology. It’d be hard for any US railroad employee to offer much thoughtful analysis on the matter.
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Shoot couplers with tank. Then push uncoupled car over with remote-controlled bulldozer.
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vains posted:Combat engineers breach obstacles under fire. That’s their job. With enough explosives and horsepower, you can accomplish almost anything. Would it make sense to not attack the coupler, then? Hit the middle of the car and just let the tough bits designed to withstand all the weird forces stay at the ends of the car?
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Surely you can just go uncouple the coupler if you want to do that? Like, manually.
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Elukka posted:Surely you can just go uncouple the coupler if you want to do that? Like, manually. There is 30km of railcars lined up with the brakes applied. Assuming you can even move the lever, what does pulling the cut lever do? babyeatingpsychopath posted:Would it make sense to not attack the coupler, then? Hit the middle of the car and just let the tough bits designed to withstand all the weird forces stay at the ends of the car? The body/frame of the car could be described as a “tough bit” that weighs 20-40tons. You aren’t going to blow that up with artillery. Maybe a few 2000lb bombs? But then you have to contend with scrap steel and the crater. If you leave the car coupled and attempt to push/pull it off the rail, you’re contending with the adjacent cars resisting that overturning force. The couplers will, to a certain point, keep the adjacent cars upright and inline. Soviet coupler for reference https://imgur.com/gallery/ANT3DG8 There’s plenty of ways to do it but they probably all suck when someone is shooting at you. Even if the Ukrainians don’t have to breach it and the Russians just fall back behind it, 30kms of cars is still a pain in the rear end to deal with. You’ll find that you quickly run out of places to store railcars.
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I just learned about the most adorable little diesel shunter. Just look at it   It belongs to the Sursee-Triengen Bahn. A small company that runs two near-disaffected railway branches near Luzern and Zürich. After passenger service was cancelled, they've kept the lines open for heritage trains and freight service.
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In-vehicle video (no gore) of a van hit by a train https://www.thedrive.com/news/watch-an-amazon-delivery-van-get-ripped-in-half-by-a-barreling-train
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Pigsfeet on Rye posted:In-vehicle video (no gore) of a van hit by a train https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BcO7uvNbfM I was once in a train that pulverized a passenger car stuck on a grade crossing and I'll tell you that while I felt the engineer hitting the brakes, I couldn't tell at all at what point we impacted the vehicle. The mass difference is so huge you just don't notice it.
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Back when I was a bright eyed, bushy tailed brakeman trainee, I was doing a trip on the head end one day and we nearly hit a cow. It was close enough, in fact, that I put my foot up on the front wall of the cab to brace myself for the impact I imagined we were about to feel. We didn't hit the view, but I never lived down that gut reaction for the rest of my career at that railroad.
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Tex Avery posted:Back when I was a bright eyed, bushy tailed brakeman trainee, I was doing a trip on the head end one day and we nearly hit a cow. It was close enough, in fact, that I put my foot up on the front wall of the cab to brace myself for the impact I imagined we were about to feel. I'm reminded of a video from some frozen hell-hole, where the people in the cab started taking bets on which way the downed branches and trees they banged into would fall. Right *THUMP* Right again *THUMP* Mayyybe left *BANG* Loud noises, but no concern whatsoever in their voices. I'm also reminded of a bizarre safety meeting we got when I was a teamster (bread delivery). The company brought in a railroad guy who started his spiel by downing a coke, crushing the can flat beneath his foot, and saying, "That's the difference in weight and momentum between a train and a semi-truck. It's also the difference in weight and momentum between a semi-truck and your little box trucks. Any questions?" Dude taught us a lot about trains, crossings, and caution in fifteen minutes, all with the aid of a wooden Brio toy train set (and one coke can).
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So, I live by heavy commuter rail. What substance that’s bad for my lungs causes the brakes to stink?
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About 12 years ago, WMATA was using organic brake pads that smelled like fish. Metro spokesman said that wasn't true, but other internal sources basically said that was a lie and that it was the brake pads.
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Norfolk Southern had a 3 for the price of 1 special in Bethlehem, PA. https://dnyuz.com/2024/03/02/pa-train-derailment-leaves-cars-on-riverbank-and-in-water-no-injuries-or-hazardous-materials-reported/ Ed: huh, I wonder if it was around this area where they had a couple recent oopsies: https://maps.app.goo.gl/w5f3pUJqWhAnQo9p7?g_st=ic Pigsfeet on Rye fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Mar 2, 2024 |
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