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trilljester posted:As far as equipment goes, I'd like to add that people should at least consider some sort of neck guard. I wear one of these:
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Dangerllama posted:For those rocking a vinyl nitrile foam helmet...well...they're going to get concussed anyway so I guess it doesn't matter Dangerllama posted:I just don't think it's worth buying a helmet whose history is unknown, irrespective of its apparent condition, just to save $30 or so.
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:Got my skates. Woohoo! Gonna bake and sharpen these bitches tomorrow, just in time for the season to start. Yay Hockey Monkey! EDIT: Henrik Zetterberg posted:Yeah, this guy only had 7 games played for the Bronze team or so. Not to mention, the biggest issue was him sitting in the stands for the first period. Then he geared up and swapped out with someone for the 2nd and 3rd. coldwind fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Apr 2, 2011 |
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poser posted:What bags do you guys use? Right now I'm using a backpack bag that I used for roller but I will be playing on two teams this season and I dont know if I can fit the extra jerseys and gloves in the bag as its already a tight fit. I had a backpack bag, but it didn't fit all my stuff in it (had to clip my pants to the outside) so my girlfriend is using it now. I miss it though, it was so much easier on my back. If I were you I'd just carry an extra bag for the jerseys/gloves. The backpack is nicer than you think.
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Petit.Conan posted:I think mostly everyone gets the whole "shut up, get in the box, do your time" thing. BUT the guys who don't get that, will never ever, ever get it. Anyways, this one guy we're playing against is pretty good. Skates well enough that he probably shouldn't be in the league. I'm playing D on the PK, and I get caught and he's off to the races behind me. I manage to catch him and tie up his stick a little. At about the hash marks, he decides he's going to try and cut across the crease. gently caress if I'm going to let that happen. It's a no-check league, but no league is non-contact, and this guy doesn't belong in the league anyways. So, I get up on his shoulder and do my best to just push him to the outside. He's pushing to the inside, so we go flying into the net. Guy's a hothead, so he's been a bit pissed all game, but this really puts him over the edge. He gives me a stick check in the chest and starts swearing at me. I tell him "tough, that's hockey." and I skate to set up for the faceoff. Dude is still pissed. As soon as the puck drops, he does something stupid (not sure what) and gets sent to the box. PK turns into a 4-on-4. He argues for a good 45 seconds. It's running clock and his penalty hasn't been put on the clock yet, so he's killing penalty for us. He ends up getting so pissed that he insults the ref in a rather nasty way, gets a game misconduct for that and then keeps arguing so long they give him another one. tl;dr: player on the other team gets a minor, two game misconducts and argues enough that he ends up killing 45 seconds of PK time for us.
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Cheezymadman posted:He called him a cocksucker, didn't he?
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poser posted:I got called for a stupid penalty after I was driving into the boards from behind with no call.. I think personally, if I was a ref and a player just got done yelling at me, I'd be watching him close to call the next mistake he made. But maybe I'm just vindictive like that. I obviously wouldn't be a very good ref.
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poser posted:Refs pretend they dont but they remember people and hold grudges. Now I give/flip the puck to the ref when I can and remember to thank them after the game. I always try to be nice to the refs. I usually try to tell them to have a good game and chit-chat a little bit during warm-ups sometimes.
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:Love it when the other team is up by 5 and still playing like dirty shitbags.
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:Beer league in Northern Cal.
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xzzy posted:...push the rear foot backwards to make room. It's a little bit (not exactly) like what you do when you aren't wearing skates and you shuffle to your side while maintaining the rest of your body pointing forward. The way your legs work, at least. The crossing over happens largely below the knee. This is a pretty difficult maneuver. It requires good balance on the outside edges of your skate, which is hard to get because you pretty much never use them unless you're crossing over. I bet a lot of people on the boards are still working on theirs (me included) and I see a lot of people showing off their crossovers at open skate who don't get a good push (or any push) off their inside skate (which almost defeats the purpose). One really helpful drill is gliding on just the outside edge of one skate and holding it as long as you can. You should be skating a curve and when you feel like you're gonna fall and plant the other skate to stabilize yourself, if you do it in front of that skate, you kinda got a crossover. My ladyfriend has my copy of Stamm, so if anybody wants to add stuff or correct me, feel free.
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xzzy posted:I can coast on a single edge for half the rink or more... One point I remember from Stamm's power-skating book is to try to keep your shoulders level while doing crossovers. It's supposed to help your balance. I guess.
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Thufir posted:Yeah, you're supposed to do the ( curve on your right foot to work the outside edge. Here's a sort-of extreme example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV5v8-Na8vI&feature=related Obviously you don't need to make that big of a curve when you're just starting. It's definitely tough to figure out how to get on and stay on the outside edge. Stamm has a lot of good stuff. Good drills that focus on the little parts of your skating. bewbies posted:This is another good one, it gives me nightmares. We used to have to do this until we couldn't feel our legs anymore
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trilljester posted:I can't stop laughing at this video.
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Green Submarine posted:White tape on the blade disguises release point (or so I've heard tell; could be it's a myth goalies spread). Also, black tape on the top chews up your gloves faster. I will agree, though, I never put black up top. Even playing goal where you don't have your hand up there too often, it just darkens your gloves so fast.
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Green Submarine posted:Blade tape color is entirely superstition so far as I'm concerned. I use white because of the practical reasons to use it for the knob and because I don't want to have to buy both colors. If it looks like that puck is just floating around out there, I could see it maybe working. Although, the brain might fill in the blade anyways. Of course, it might affect other things like YOUR ability to look down and pick up the puck, or your teammates, not seeing your blade, might stop passing to you. I think I'm gonna tape up all white for my next game and see what the goalie thinks. Dangerllama posted:Is this really a thing for people? I usually wear out my palms in about a year, so it doesn't matter what color I've got up there. coldwind fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Apr 22, 2011 |
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Dangerllama posted:^^ I retape when the tape+wax gets torn up enough to either I don't know if I read it here (I think I did), but man, taking a blowdryer to the wax on your stick is awesome.
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ManicJason posted:There has been exactly one time in my goalie career where I actually misjudged a puck because I lost it on black tape. It freaked me out, but never happened again that I've noticed. Of course, there really isn't an easy way to measure this, so it's all speculation.
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ManicJason posted:The thing is that I noticed the puck disappeared before the dude even shot it. I'd think that if I had slightly misjudged a puck because of black tape 100 times, I'd have noticed at least 20 times before a shot. I think it was really just one freak thing from a specific angle. Let's say it takes you an extra half-second to find the puck. That's an extra half-second of "quiet eye" period that you've lost and accordingly, your reaction to the puck will be slower. You aren't going to say to yourself "drat, it took me an extra half-second to find that puck on that player's black tape." You're going to say "drat, that's in the net." Basically, I'm saying that it could be messing with your head in such a subtle way (but substantial) that you have no idea it's messing with your head.
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oddIXIbbo posted:Black tape on the blade and white on the knob. My gloves are clean and clear of stick-i-tude. Also, you must really like that movie, because this is the second time I've seen you reference it in a hockey context in, like, the last month. A few thoughts on learning to shoot: I have a lot of truly beginning hockey friends who, at the moment, have some very impotent shots. Really, very awkward looking. Most of them call me a bad teacher because I learned/figured out how to do things when I was young and they come naturally now and thus I don't think about them and don't have many good tips for them. Anyways, most of the normal tips don't work for these people as they aren't tips designed to truly correct fundamental errors in shot technique. So, I got to watching them shoot and came up with some problems I think I see in their shooting and ways to fix them. 1. Leaving the top hand near the thigh through the shot. When this happens, the stick tends to rotate around the hip. Solution/tip/mantra: Keep the hands in front/lead with the hands/? 2. Not rotating the hips to square up with the intended direction of the shot. Solution/tip/mantra: Do that. Actually, now I'm looking at examples of NHL professionals/other people and a lot of them don't seem to do jive with my hints/tips. In particular, slapshots tend to end with the hips still pointed away, but the rest of the body rotated at a higher point and just the shoulders square with the direction of the shot. But only temporarily before rotating right past. WTF, am I just shooting all messed up? I seem to shoot decently enough, man, I don't know WTF. Guess I just need to take a camera to the ice one day... Also, I once had a guy tell me that to take a slapshot, I should rotate my bottom hand around the stick so that the thumb is on the backhand wide part of the shaft. I tried it, and I admit it got me to lift my slapshot when previously I couldn't, but it was not nice to my thumb. This tip did end up helping my shot out immensely when I thought about what it forced me to do (point the blade face down-ish through the shot) and just focused on that instead. Does anybody out there do this? Has anybody heard it before?
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Aniki posted:This is kind of like the argument that white pads make it harder for shooters to find gaps or that black pads get you quicker whistles. Tape color probably has some sort of effect on the goalie's ability to track pucks off of the stick, but I'd be surprised if the effect was statistically significant. I could see how a reflective surface on the stick blade could distract your eye, but when I'm focusing on watching the puck, I don't think that I've ever really consciously noticed the color of the tape on the shooters blade. The puck is typically in front of the blade and the only important information about the blade is its angle and what part of the blade the puck the shot comes off of. I would also be surprised if the effect was statistically significant, but that doesn't mean it isn't significant to performance. Statistical significance is separate from real life significance. Plus, statistical significance applies only to a set of data in an experiment, not to a real life effect. Do something enough, and you can get statistical significance. What's important is that nobody's done the work, so who are we to say it's not significant in any way? The position of the puck and the what part of the blade the puck is shot from are important, but are hardly the only important information. Research suggests that giving your eye more time to settle and focus on the puck is very important, too. "Quiet Eye," they call it. If the black-on-black motif delays your ability to focus on the puck (quite feasible) after puck movement or if the player holds the puck behind his blade, it can impact your performance. Just because you aren't conscious of black tape's potential effect on goaltender performance doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And just because the effect may be small doesn't mean it isn't putting pucks behind you. Not an exhaustive lit review by any means, but here's this on the quiet eye: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=goalie+quiet+eye&nfpr=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=ws
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Aniki posted:STUFF Goalies conducting thought experiments and self-reporting anecdotal evidence, while interesting and (marginally) useful, isn't nearly enough for people to conclusively say the tape color doesn't matter. Maybe it's true, but the support is highly lacking. I guess I just find it interesting that people think that they don't notice an effect of tape color, so it must not have an effect. I'll admit that anecdotal evidence is much of what we have to go on and I've definitely made decisions based on it. I painted my goal stick white after losing a puck under the black paddle and it squirted out backside and the enemy put it in the net. (Also, I just sorta wanted to paint my stick.) That's fine. I think the important part is keeping it in perspective and remembering that this is a simply a story told by a human being with flawed perception, imperfect memory, recall bias, etc.. It should not be taken as gospel. I'm gonna keep using black on my player stick because that's what's on it now and it's nice and waxed. And I think that it does give me an advantage, even if it's small and infrequent. Once that's done for, I might go crazy and use the American flag tape I got for Easter. AMERICA!!
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xzzy posted:It can't be that expensive to test.. set up a computer with a program that moves objects against backgrounds of different colors (both solid backgrounds and alternating), convince a neuroscientist to get interested in it, get a bunch of data points, release paper. Green Submarine posted:The AHL is the laboratory of hockey. It's where they try out all Brendan Shanahan's dumbass ideas. I bet someone with the right connections could get a controlled study done in which black vs. white stick tape was randomly assigned to players for X weeks of the season. No way to blind it, but it should show any statistically significant difference over a long enough period of time. Green Submarine posted:Clearly this is the only correct answer. I actually just taped up my knobs with American tape, and I got the sticks at a USNTDP sale and they already have American flags on the stick as part of the graphic. I probably have the most patriotic hockey sticks in North America.
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The league average shooting percentage in the years since the lockout has been 9.55% with a standard deviation of 0.33% (small sample size, I know). This last season, total shots in the NHL was around 75,000. If the true effect of tape was less than 2 standard deviations (0.66%) from the mean, you would fail to show that the tape had any effect and assume the result was due to variance. Meaning any effect up to 0.66% (2SD's -> 95%) could be completely masked by league variance year-to-year. This turns out to be ~18 goals per team per season. If you also consider the fact that shot variance for forwards is higher and that they take, on average, 2.5-3 times more shots than defensemen, the goal variance bumps up to 19. (OMG 1 extra goal LOL) Now, this would be for a team transitioning from 100% black to 100% white or vice versa. That's probably zero teams. But still, there could be a 19 goal effect that you straight up wouldn't be able to detect reliably. Nineteen goals for switching tape colors. (Basically, due to the variance in scoring year-to-year, this experiment would be unable to detect small results, i.e. wouldn't be very sensitive.) Of course, what 0.66% means to the beer league heroes like us (most of us) is far less substantial. You'd need to take ~150 shots before getting an additional goal out of it. Which kind of speaks to your point. ...Though, you probably can't really apply the results to beer league players. The effect of tape color might be more marginal for players at higher skill levels. OK, I'm back to the stance that the AHL experiment is not a good solution. coldwind fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Apr 26, 2011 |
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Lawnie posted:it looks like you assumed normality The biggest problem I see is the variance on the shooting percentage. Since there's only 5 seasons post-lockout, the sample size for that is pretty bad. I wanted to use that, though, because there were some rule changes during the lockout. I'd guess if you go back to about 2000 the variance would come down a bit but going back too much further than that the variance will start going up. It's kind of hard to compare season-to-season and come up with a good sample or meaningful results because there's confounding factors like rule changes/evolving technology/changes in fitness of players. poser posted:Lets have a SAS game, one team with white tape and the other with black tape and see who wins.  .
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WouldDesk posted:There is only one solution.Perform tests and then publish faulty material in our favor, distribute it to USA Hockey and any place we can in the media with the conclusion that gray tape with black and white dots* increases scoring at all levels by 11-14% across the board, regardless of skill. I say this: bring the number down, say it does depend skill and when the NHL numbers don't go up, point to the diminishing returns at that professional level and random variance. Repeat for a few years, all the while everybody else is scoring slightly better due to placebo and inflating it when they tell their friends to avoid buyer's remorse. In a few years, it will have gained so much momentum that it won't matter when we have to print the retraction. I know it'll work because there are people out there who believe that vaccinations give you autism.
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Lawnie posted:get a job you hippy I go to Monday 6am S/P and there's usually about 15 people there. WTF. Go back to bed, you hippies!!
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Dangerllama posted:Err...my wife just informed me that it looks like I actually hit my iPhone with a puck in this video, which didn't happen. The puck hit the glass about a foot above my phone and the impact knocked my phone off the dasher onto the ice below. I'm just surprised you put it back up and then started taking harder shots.
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xzzy posted:Doesn't the iPhone use gorilla glass? That gorilla glass looks badass (allegedly can withstand a one pound steel ball at 65MPH), but the iPhone doesn't seem to be made with it. Nizox posted:yeah, only some of them have the size stated (hockeymonkey is better than hockeygiant for this). coldwind fucked around with this message at 20:05 on May 2, 2011 |
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Nizox posted:break on the shot of what i would assume, is a 12 year old girl in travel league (me)
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Aggro posted:Question for SAS defensemen: What blade/stick are you guys using now? For almost a decade, the only thing I've used are Synergies with a Lidstrom blade, because of the square toe and the loft that kept all of my shapshots low. But, a few weeks back I was on HockeyMonkey to get a replacement, and I saw a deal on Warrior sticks. I bought the 2010 model of a Dolomite Spyne with a Vanek bade, but ended up getting a 2011 for the same price because they were sold out (HockeyMonkey's customer service owns). The blade isn't the rigid square like Lidstrom's, but the toe is flattened enough that I can jam my stick into the boards to keep pucks in, and it has the same loft. While I'm complaining, the guy I got paired with last Friday was refusing to cover a man in front of the net. Also, he was forechecking. Awesome.
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I guess I can understand having a lapse, or maybe having a mistake in communication where both D go behind the net. This guy, does not do that. He doesn't even entertain the notion of covering the front of the net. He just follows the puck. At all times. I talked to him on the bench. "So, you normally play defense, right? Well, we're leaving a lot of guys open in front of the net, so let's make sure we stay on that, ok?" HA. No. There's this other d-man on a team I sub for in net. He glides to every puck he's collecting in our zone. Inevitably, there's a forechecker, so he's rushed, so he just shoots the puck out of the zone as hard as he can. Hustle a little bit and give yourself time to make a good pass? Can't be bothered. Another guy on that team who used to play D with my current team and moved up a league (to the team I sub for in net). Laziest mo-fo ever. Glides to every puck, like the guy above, but this guy doesn't even make sure he has enough to get it out of the zone. I saw him once glide to the puck, get there a split second before a forechecker, and just barely manage to limply "pass" it to his partner with one hand on his stick. Dude never skated hard unless he had the puck. He'd get by a few forwards and inevitably lose the puck at the blue line trying to get by the D. Then it was back to gliding. He always took long shifts, too. We thought maybe he was just tired of playing defense, but he asked to play defense when he moved up, too, so I don't know. OK, end of d-man horror stories.
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Aniki posted:At least the one guy has the presence of mind to clear the puck out of the zone. Does he try to keep the puck near the glass/boards or does he clear it down the middle of the ice? My personal favorite are the guys that get the puck and immediately make the blind cross ice pass, which is inevitably is intercepted right in front of the crease and puts you in a horrible situation. That's right up there with your D-man holding his stick off the ice and having it deflect off of his stick and into the net. I haven't deflected one into my own net, yet, but I have definitely stood right in front of the goalie with the "I'm gonna stop this shot" mentality. Yeah, that ended up in the back of the net. I'm learning. Learning how not to screen the goalie is a difficult thing to learn because naturally you want to stand directly between the puck and net. Which is right down the sightline. Plus, for me, our goalie constantly gushes us with praise and I can't get him to tell me when I'm screening him. I'll ask him, and then he'll say "a little bit, but it wasn't for very long." I can't get him to yell "get the gently caress out my way!!" Or even yell "screen!!" Lawnie posted:to be fair I'm also really bad since i just started playing a few months ago but this kid is just terrible. skates slowly to pucks, can't turn forward to backward (or even the other way around, really), and weakly flicks the puck around the D zone. it's really frustrating to play with him. BTW, I forgot to tell you guys about our two "pond boys." They just started playing ice hockey in a rink this year having played pond hockey before. They are good skaters, good stick-handlers, decent shots. It's almost like they've been playing since childhood. EXCEPT they don't know any rules/strategy. The first two weeks, we had to tell them the ref blew the whistle because of offsides. One of them plays RW and we had to tell him for two weeks not to stand behind the defencemen on faceoffs. One of them didn't know he could come out of the penalty box after the PP scores a goal. Not trying to be judgemental, but how do you have an interest in hockey that long and never learn these things?
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robcat posted:what's the general preferred method to hold up socks if you aren't using the compression shorts w/ velcro? Do most people use a garter, or is it faster/easier to just tape them up? That said, I don't tape or velcro my socks at all and they stay in place just fine without it. bewbies posted:I recommend sweatpants, better than socks in every way. To be serious, though, I don't think there's any way I could do sweatpants. With compression, a jock, sweatpants and hockey pants, that's just too many layers. Too many layers. Man, doesn't it get hot? There's no way sweatpants breathe as well as knit socks. coldwind fucked around with this message at 19:57 on May 5, 2011 |
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