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Chappy posted:Yeah you can do that, but you won't get your mail in rebate. The $150 discount appears to be instant. There's nothing that mentions a mail-in rebate anywhere (looking at the Evo Shift @ $399 -$150 upgrade -$100 instant = $149).
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Ah yeah, right now is the instant rebates thing. If there were a mail in rebate, you wouldn't get it.
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Chappy posted:Ah yeah, right now is the instant rebates thing. If there were a mail in rebate, you wouldn't get it. Is this a recent change? I ordered a phone upgrade on one line in December and activated it to another and got the rebate no problem.
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Apr 7, 2011 15:45
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Has anyone heard when the EVO might be back in stores instead of having to order them when buying?
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Apr 7, 2011 16:04
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Chappy posted:I'm not sure it's circumventing anything. It takes time to build out a network. Yeah, it does, and apparently the FCC dictated a timeframe that they deem acceptable between the purchase of spectrum and the deployment of services to that spectrum. Throwing up one tower that doesn't really cover anything seems like it's just a way of extending that timeframe indefinitely without actually living up to the intended obligation of doing something useful with that spectrum.
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Apr 7, 2011 16:10
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zeek40 posted:Throwing up one tower that doesn't really cover anything seems like it's just a way of extending that timeframe indefinitely without actually living up to the intended obligation of doing something useful with that spectrum. Seriously though, I'm not sure what your point is. Sprint/Clear isn't sitting on 2.5 GHz and doing nothing with it, they're engaged in a national deployment with one of the partners being seriously cash strapped. As a result, it's taking a bit longer than anticipated. What's a better alternative? For Sprint/Clear to give up that spectrum? Is someone else going to pick it up in their place and deploy services in it sooner? Services you can utilize? This isn't like Verzion, who held, and is currently holding the most attractive AWS licenses in the Northeast and deployed jack squat in it much to T-Mobile's detriment.
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Apr 7, 2011 17:08
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Aredna posted:Has anyone heard when the EVO might be back in stores instead of having to order them when buying? The corporate store near me has them, remember that the order of stores to get phones that are having a shortage goes corporate them 3rd party. Do you really need the evo now though? I would recommend holding out for the evo 3d, you can turn off the 3d and its dual core.
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Apr 7, 2011 17:27
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ExcessBLarg! posted:Does that tower service some customers? Yes? It's useful! My point was that a "spectrum protection site" seems like it's just the bare minimum requirement that they must meet to avoid forfeiting their claim on the spectrum rather than an indication of any actual network development. I'm sure everyone else is doing it too, I was just trying to figure out the reasoning behind throwing up one tower in a region they have no intention of providing actual coverage to in the near future. And I'd say yes, it would be a better alternative for consumers if the FCC would cancel their claim on the spectrum and make it available to others if whoever owns the spectrum doesn't make use of it within a reasonable timeframe. That way Verizon couldn't pull the poo poo they did in the northeast.
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zeek40 posted:My point was that a "spectrum protection site" seems like it's just the bare minimum requirement that they must meet to avoid forfeiting their claim on the spectrum rather than an indication of any actual network development. zeek40 posted:I was just trying to figure out the reasoning behind throwing up one tower in a region they have no intention of providing actual coverage to in the near future. zeek40 posted:And I'd say yes, it would be a better alternative for consumers if the FCC would cancel their claim on the spectrum and make it available to others if whoever owns the spectrum doesn't make use of it within a reasonable timeframe. If you honestly believe that another US carrier, which mind you, none of which have 2.5 GHz-capable anything handsets currently in the hands of customers, can develop and deploy service in this spectrum sooner than Sprint/Clear, then I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of exactly how long service deployment takes. zeek40 posted:That way Verizon couldn't pull the poo poo they did in the northeast.
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Apr 7, 2011 17:41
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Where the gently caress did this come from? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-07/at-t-verizon-required-by-u-s-to-share-networks-for-mobile-data-traffic.html And what does it mean for Sprint consumers, if anything? Does it mean we'll finally get EVDO roaming on Verizon's network? Does it mean that Sprint will stop caring if >50% (or whatever) usage is roaming? This is crazy, and seems to have come out of nowhere.
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Apr 7, 2011 19:13
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cross posting in the android help thread, but this is getting to be a major annoyance. I'm having an agitating problem with me evo, over the last few days the sync has been locking up when running automatically. The sync icon is up and if I go into accounts and sync its pretty random which accounts haven't been syncd. I've stopped syncing every account one at a time and it hasnt changed anything, yesterday I was almost certain it was my exchange calendar so I went so far as to delete every calendar entry and recreate them, but the problem persists. However if I go in and cancel the sync and hit sync all now it works as expected. Has anyone experienced this before, or have any idea on what I can try next?
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Apr 7, 2011 19:28
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brc64 posted:Where the gently caress did this come from? I'm pretty sure it means EVDO on Verizon's network. I'm also pretty sure Verizon will find a way to throttle that poo poo, regardless whether or not it's legal.
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Apr 7, 2011 19:33
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heat posted:I'm pretty sure it means EVDO on Verizon's network. I'm also pretty sure Verizon will find a way to throttle that poo poo, regardless whether or not it's legal. If it means EVDO and no longer having a roaming data limit, the idea of flashing a Verizon PRL is suddenly way more appealing... Realistically, though, I honestly have no idea what to expect from this. I'm not even sure that I agree with it.
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Apr 7, 2011 19:44
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I doubt it. They already have a roaming agreement. Is there a stipulation in this new ruling that roaming is at full speed? That it is provided for free?
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Apr 7, 2011 19:49
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brc64 posted:And what does it mean for Sprint consumers, if anything? Bloomberg posted:The FCC order approved today requires carriers to strike agreements on commercially reasonable terms. Carriers unable to reach agreements may appeal to the FCC. It probably doesn't affect Sprint much. Sprint is a nationwide carrier with enough network coverage that their roaming agreement with Verizon is supplementary for both, but not as essential as it is for regional carriers. brc64 posted:Does it mean we'll finally get EVDO roaming on Verizon's network? brc64 posted:Does it mean that Sprint will stop caring if >50% (or whatever) usage is roaming?
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Apr 7, 2011 19:52
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brc64 posted:If it means EVDO and no longer having a roaming data limit, the idea of flashing a Verizon PRL is suddenly way more appealing...
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Apr 7, 2011 19:54
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ExcessBLarg! posted:And still waay a douche move, if not outright illegal. I don't really think it's any less ethical than tethering without a plan, and I wouldn't even consider unless it wasn't costing Sprint a dime. And even then, I'd need a good reason, which I don't really have any more. I just said it would be more tempting.
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Apr 7, 2011 20:20
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brc64 posted:If I still lived where I did before, I think I could keep a fairly clear conscience. Verizon: full bars; Sprint: constantly switching between crap and roaming. Even the Airave didn't help much, because it was only able to cover so much of the house. Good lord man, I'm guessing you either live in a huge house, or one made out of iron or something. My house is single story, 1800 square foot. I get full Airrave signal in every single room, and even 30 feet or so outside of my house.
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brc64 posted:If I still lived where I did before, I think I could keep a fairly clear conscience. Verizon: full bars; Sprint: constantly switching between crap and roaming. Even the Airave didn't help much, because it was only able to cover so much of the house. Or more generally, folks who PRL-hack to roam onto Verizon EVDO sparingly, and with a conscious effort to minimize their actual data consumption, are somewhat defensibly engaging in the practice. But in the xda threads on the subject, you'll see lots of folks force roam and PRL hack so they use Verizon's EVDO network exclusively, at Sprint rates, while costing Sprint lots in roaming charges, all to get 3-4 bars instead of 1-2. That's unjustifiable douchery. brc64 posted:and I wouldn't even consider unless it wasn't costing Sprint a dime.
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Apr 7, 2011 20:50
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Chappy posted:Good lord man, I'm guessing you either live in a huge house, or one made out of iron or something. Lots of old houses have chicken wire in the walls, which does a pretty good imitation of a faraday cage when it comes to wireless signals
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Apr 7, 2011 20:59
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heat posted:Lots of old houses have chicken wire in the walls, which does a pretty good imitation of a faraday cage when it comes to wireless signals It was my wife's parents' house, and I don't know much about the structure, but I had the Airave pretty much in the middle of the house. The house was fairly large, so I'm sure that's part of it, but it wasn't the only problem. Service was crap in whole general vicinity, so even when I wasn't home, if I was anywhere near it, it was just as bad (and the Airave sure as hell wasn't going to help me there). God help you if you were on a call while leaving the house. But then Sprint started "improving" their service in the area, which as best as I could tell meant that now I had crap EVDO signal, which my phone wanted to grab onto over the strong 1x only Airave signal. I worked around that issue by keeping my phone connected to wifi when I was home, but I similar (or worse) range problems with wifi than I did with the wifi, which meant if I went to either edge of the house, it would be hit or miss how my phone would react. So I guess that does probably suggest something in the walls. Anyway, I wouldn't advocate PRL hacking just for the hell of it... and right now all it would really do would be get your data turned off pretty quickly because Sprint seems pretty serious about that poo poo (at least, that's the impression I got from reading those threads). I guess this whole thing is a little bit of a sore spot for me, because when I decided to go with Sprint, everybody kept saying "oh, it roams on Verizon!" and that sounded great until I discovered how lovely roaming can be when you're just on the outskirts of a coverage area (despite what the loving map says).
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Good thing these multi-billion dollar telecoms (with legal and lobbying budgets to match) have loyal supporters like ExcessBlarg to defend them from big baddies like the FCC and TOS-violating customers. Now on to my questions that involves me sharing my family plan with two people that don't even live with me! I'd like to enroll in automatic billpay to finally do away with that $4.99 spending limit charge, but I like to have my brother and sister pay directly through *3 or online rather than have to collect their payments myself. If my bill is issued on say, the 6th of the month with a due date of the 26th, when will the auto billpay withdraw the payment?
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goku chewbacca posted:Good thing these multi-billion dollar telecoms (with legal and lobbying budgets to match) have loyal supporters like ExcessBlarg to defend them from big baddies like the FCC and TOS-violating customers.
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goku chewbacca posted:Good thing these multi-billion dollar telecoms (with legal and lobbying budgets to match) have loyal supporters like ExcessBlarg to defend them from big baddies like the FCC and TOS-violating customers. goku chewbacca posted:Now on to my questions that involves me sharing my family plan with two people that don't even live with me!
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brc64 posted:Don't get me wrong, I like seeing Verizon get hosed over as much as the next guy, but forcing them to share their network? Good for the little guys, but how does that promote growth again? Later on the FCC carved out the PCS band and gave licensed to a bunch of new cellular providers, Sprint being one of them, in an effort to encourage competition and market growth. This was all handled in a rather bureaucratic fashion, until very recently when they realized they could auction spectrum to the highest bidder. Of course, the folks who could afford highest-bid were the largest of the existing providers. Since the makeup of the market is largely the FCC's mess to begin with, although a necessary one given the nature of radio spectrum, they occasionally feel the need to enact regulatory measures to ensure competition and the viability of smaller providers. They've long required big carriers to offer voice roaming agreements, they're now doing the same for data. It's debatable whether these are good ideas, but it's not like the FCC is just now starting to meddle in an otherwise free market. brc64 posted:I don't really get it... I guess the argument is that if small carriers are allowed to use existing infrastructure, they can have more money to spend on building out their own... but that argument doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The best they can do is serve as a competitive agents in the limited markets they do serve. Their services appeal to folks who spend 99% of their time at home, in the region of native coverage. But since folks (reasonably) expect their phones to continue working on the few occasions when they do have to travel, even if they have to pay extra for it, it's very hard to sign this group up if there's no roaming option at all. So the trick is, if the big providers refuse to offer reasonable roaming options to the small carriers, the small carriers will lose their customer base, giving the big providers an opportunity to buy them out and reduce market competition. That's a rather horrible thing for customers. ExcessBLarg! fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Apr 7, 2011 |
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ExcessBLarg! posted:The best they can do is serve as a competitive agents in the limited markets they do serve. Their services appeal to folks who spend 99% of their time at home, in the region of native coverage. But since folks (reasonably) expect their phones to continue working on the few occasions when they do have to travel, even if they have to pay extra for it, it's very hard to sign this group up if there's no roaming option at all.
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Will Sprint let you merge accounts into a family plan? My fiance and I are both on Sprint. We're both Premier members. I think she's about finished with her 2 year contract and I have a year left on mine. Can we keep our same numbers and get phone upgrades in the process?
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You can merge accounts all day long but your upgrade dates shouldn't be affected at all.
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How will MMS work if you freely move your number to google voice (or just use your existing GV number as your phone's) once sprint rolls out integration?
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Once every 10 times or so HDMwIn works on my CM7 Evo. I finally got it to work and had a camera at the same time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLg2NNRjMIM Just a one minuteish video that doesn't show much just a replay of my playing a game. I am really looking forward to this being a bit more stable so I can hook up my phone to my monitor have a bluetooth mouse and keyboard to it as well and have it be a hub.
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ExcessBLarg! posted:Erhm, I'm not really defending Sprint, nor do I really care about TOS. I just think it's a jerkbag move to abuse their service in a way that costs them significant money (real money, not fantasy money they would have gotten if everyone who once tethered paid up for the plan). Note that I'm not claiming that brc64, in his particular circumstance, was/is a jerkbag. I used to get 0-2 bars on Sprint on my Diamond in my house. When I enabled roaming only, I got 4 bars. Also, any time I got 0 bars, my Diamond would turn the screen on for no other reason than to remind me how lovely my service was. Additionally, it also wasted my battery life by searching for a stronger signal while increasing radiation. I use about 60 minutes a month. Am I one of those jerkbags abusing the system, maaaan?
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atomicvocabulary posted:Once every 10 times or so HDMwIn works on my CM7 Evo. I finally got it to work and had a camera at the same time. Check that there isn't a bunch of dust/dirt in the jack, the wires are really small and a small bit of lint can make things not work.
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What is the deal with Airave? I get pretty crap signal in my place, and a friend of mine using Sprint got one for free and got the monthly fee waived for having the same problem. Yet, when I contact customer service, they either don't know what it is or tell me I can't get one anymore. Is there a solution for me?
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"d[-.- posted:b"]Am I one of those jerkbags abusing the system, maaaan? (That's not PRL hacking anyways.)
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Tatsujin posted:How will MMS work if you freely move your number to google voice (or just use your existing GV number as your phone's) once sprint rolls out integration? I'm still using my GV number as my number, but MMS sent to my Sprint number go into the messaging app, while all other texts go into the Voice App.
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"d[-.- posted:b"] But I did love the fact that WinMo let me set things like 1x only or roam only easily enough, depending on the ROM. That, and USB fast charge. I do miss those things sometimes.
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brc64 posted:But I did love the fact that WinMo let me set things like 1x only or roam only easily enough, depending on the ROM. That, and USB fast charge. I do miss those things sometimes.
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Not to intrude on your PRL-hacking discussion and whatnot, but I'm kind of wondering about the data cap on Sprint. after 5GB on 3G is additional data throttled, or charged extra, or shut off, or something else entirely?
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