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DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
Crappy art - Humberto Ramos:



Excellent art - Steve Epting:



That Greg Horn art is basically a war crime though.

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DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
Not really sure what there is to like about Ramos, all his characters look like they have been made out of silly putty, there are like three different faces he can pull off and whenever I read a comic with him on art my eyes just glaze over because I can't be bothered to start looking and what the mess on the page is supposed to be. His style would be good for conveying motion but it doesn't matter because his characters look wonky as hell regardless of what they are doing. Despite extremely busy scenes when you focus on a certain part you see that the characters don't have really that much detail on them if there are more then a single character in the panel.

but whatever, I guess

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

MettleRamiel posted:

I've always been partial to Chris Bachalo. I know it's kind of cartoony and exaterated, and that his costume designs can be very similar, but I just can't help loving his art!








Chris Bachalo is basically an Humberto Ramos from an alternate universe where he is actually an good artist.

I'm pretty sure this thread has not mentioned Alan Davis yet. This is a very bad mistake.







DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Breetai posted:

Astonishing X-men 38 is the worst thing.



That last panel...

What the loving poo poo?

How...how does a person who draws this way get a job in a comic book?

This is so bad that it makes me angry.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
Everything is liked by someone. Doesn't mean that it isn't objectively bad.

Like genocide. Some people like genocide. Or if you want to get worse, Ctrl+Alt+Del. Some people honestly like that comic.

They are still terrible. So is that "art".

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

LtKenFrankenstein posted:

You are objectively bad.

Now prove me wrong.

Well, by any usually accepted objective definitions (no criminal record, generally a nice guy, friends, a loving family, etc.) of the word I am not bad.

I'm sure that you, some fundamentalist religious groups and maybe a really pedantic racist here and there thinks I am bad, but since they are fringe groups their opinion would be considered subjective. Just like the opinion of anyone who considers that terrible crap to be actually good art.

I'm not saying that the guy can't draw anywhere else, but he must have had a hangover on the day he had to turn in that page, because holy poo poo.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

demolition rickshaw posted:

Kill me. http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=32907

Jesus Christ that is horrible.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Wendell posted:

But...why?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_(Marvel_Comics)

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

Head disconnection is running rampart throughout the Marvel Universe


(Amazing Spider-Man #671)

And that left hand. :stare:

gently caress Humberto Ramos. Seriously, I can barely sketch a stick figure but I'm pretty sure that given a few months of drawing training I could at least replicate this bullshit. He is an horrible artist whose "art" isn't worth the paper it's printed on and unlike other horrible artists his stuff actually seems to get worse and lazier, at least his early stuff is sometimes tolerable.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

StumblyWumbly posted:

Incompetent means you cannot read the physical and emotional content of a scene.

That's not the only definition of incompetence in art, I'm pretty sure.

Ramos is incompetent either way, because regardless of what his characters are doing their poses are unrealistic and exaggerated. His art is so terrible that my eyes glaze over them because I don't want stare at them any longer then necessary to figure out what is going on at any given moment.

StumblyWumbly posted:

Style generally means the art doesn't really mesh with what the subject actually looks like.

Style means the particular way an artist draws something. An artist's style can be realistic or unrealistic.

Ramos's style, whatever it is, is horrible. Some artists are good at unrealistic style. Some artists have boring art but at least conform into physics and anatomy. Ramos is capable of neither.

Geekboy posted:

How dare he draw in a stylized manner!

Like him or don't, but this hyperbole of "I can do better despite never having drawn before" is ridiculous.

Are you kidding me?

Not liking the guy's style (and there are plenty of reasons not to) is different from stupid hyperbole.

I didn't say I can do better. I said I could replicate him. He isn't doing anything in those pages that an average person wouldn't be able to do if given enough practice. Not sure what is hyperbolic about it, are you sure you understand the definition of that word?

Plenty of people, some of which don't get paid for their work, are able to do incredibly superior art to Ramos's current crap. Ramos himself has done much superior work in the past, which is why his current direction is frustrating - it's like how Greg Land is actually a pretty great artist if he didn't waste his time in tracing poo poo off porn movies.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
I don't think "You can tell what's going on" is a sign of good art or storytelling. Otherwise Greg Land is a good artist and a storyteller. But he isn't, neither is Humberto Ramos. Neither is myself drawing a stick figure on a paper punching another stick figure - you can tell what's going on, but it's not worth paying for in a major comic book.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Awesomonster posted:

Did he ever even use his arms to move his wheelchair? I don't recall it ever being addressed, but it seems to me as if he'd be better off using his brain powers to move himself around. I know in the cartoon he had that zamboni chair that he flew around in, which I remember mainly because I had the action figure.

Charles Xavier doesn't have telekinetic powers.

He does have all sorts of fancy flying chairs in the comics too, though.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Die Laughing posted:

It's worst not worse. So many people are posting art they don't like, and not actual bad art. Jim Lee has plenty of flaws, but he's not a bad artist. He draws a good Catwoman and Batman, and I can't think of a better rendition of Nightwing. That cover of Batman and Nightwing racing across the roof tops is one of my favorites.

Yeah, he's not a bad artist at all. But to me he's kind of a...boring artist. Once you've seen one Jim Lee comic you pretty much know what to expect from all of them.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
90's Comics were a loving war crime. Seriously, these people should be arrested and taken to the International Criminal Court to be tried and executed.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
Seriously, are they running out of artists who want work or something? Why are these people hired?

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

al-azad posted:

The only thing that would make the new Godzilla comic complete are covers by Geoff Darrow. Big Guy and Rusty was basically Godzilla vs. Astro Boy.

Godzilla VS Astro Boy and the Iron Giant. :colbert:

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

servoret posted:

Actually Deadshot went to normal people prison, and he broke out of there for his second appearance. Arkham Asylum wasn't even a thing when he first appeared.



Marshall Rogers/Terry Austin, Detective Comics #474

Awkk

awkk

Man, I am so glad that they have changed Penguin's character in these last few years...

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
Superman worked at a farm from age 0 to 30. I don't care how Kryptonian he is, after that he's going to be buff as hell.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Rhyno posted:

He left the farm at 18 or younger in pretty much every version of the origin.

Really, I thought he was like 25 at the least when he went to Metropolis etc. I haven't read Superman in years though, so...

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Diet Poison posted:

Nobody draws Cat-Beast worth a poo poo.

John Cassaday begs to differ with you.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Baron Bifford posted:

I think that one comes from Arkham Asylum.

Where everyone is built like something that kicks brick shithouse's rear end and takes it's lunch money every day.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
My respect for Jim Steranko just doubled - and it was pretty loving huge to begin with.

TwoPair posted:

Holy poo poo, Steve Dillon's art on Avenging Spider-Man #11 is atrocious. I just cannot stand those faces. A page, for reference:



Wow. They look like they are stoned out of their minds.

It's amazing how he gets work when he only has one face he can draw. It may be fat, old, young, in drag, but it's always the same face.

DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 12:15 on Aug 30, 2012

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Hakkesshu posted:

Man, George Perez. Man.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
X-Force (that version, at the least) ain't a mainstream comic, exactly.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
Holy poo poo I never realized that Weapon X was a Canadian secret program. Man, Marvel Canadians are evil.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
How come Reed and Sue have different living quarters? Has Namor been on the job again? :pervert:

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

laz0rbeak posted:

I just finished reading through Claremont's first Uncanny X-Men and wow does the quality swan-dive the minute he's gone. At this point Whilce Portacio is trying his best to be Jim Lee and it just ain't happening.

From Uncanny X-Men #281:



Haha, I remember reading this exact page as a kid and being so confused.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Mister Chompers posted:

how potentially awesome Cable and X-Force could be

"Could be"? Didn't that, you know...already happen?

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
Why do you even need Forge and Dr. Nemesis (who I still have no idea where he came from, he was just suddenly...there) in the same team?

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

:stonk: Holy poo poo that is goddamn gorgeous work. Where is it from? I might have to buy it just for that cover alone.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
He's really horrible at drawing faces and really, bodies too, but amazing on action, motion and explosions and small details in them.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

fatherboxx posted:

A cool art jam between Brandon Graham, Simon Roy and Adam Warren:



Why ruin this with Warren?

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
That is likely, because he draws everything weird and terrible.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Metal Loaf posted:

I've mentioned before that I'm quite keen on Alan Davis, so here's some pictures he's done:






No joke, I'm 99% sure that Alan Davis actually the best comic book artist in history.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

RevKrule posted:

It was bad writing that made it happen, we all know this.

Also some people call Ramos "dynamic" but he's just awful. You want dynamic Spider-man? Eric Canete nailed that already.



That's too wonky but at least Canete has handle on motion, etc. Ramos just draws awful poo poo.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Lobok posted:

It was the 80s. The 5 gig hard drive was probably bigger than the transmission.

Every time I hear some baby boomer whine about how we don't have moonbases, I slap them with a cellphone. Then I tell them that if we did have moonbases they would have just died.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Once in a while this thread has something that is so bad that my eyes try to instinctively protect me from it. They just glaze over it and I have to force myself to watch it. This is one of those. I don't know why it happens. I figure it's an evolutionary response from back in the days when we were still living in the woods and out of nowhere, BAM there's a monkey rear end in a top hat. Nobody wants to see that.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

mind the walrus posted:

This will answer your question.



What the gently caress

Seriously, what's going on in DC Comics these days? Are they just cashing in on the movies and letting bunch of demented schizophrenic hobos run their comics business or...

DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Feb 10, 2014

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Metal Loaf posted:

The last double-page spread of X-Men, vol. 2 #97 was one of the coolest things I'd ever seen when I was a kid:



That terrible storyline didn't deserve Alan Davis...

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DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
Wanda is standing like that because it is the only position where that weird swimsuit/thong combination doesn't go somewhere REALLY uncomfortable

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