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Dec 10, 2011

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bobkatt013 posted:

Not the worst Emma Frost
New x-men 128



I'd rather see someone lightboxing porn than drawings of overlapping/levitating breasts and faces that indicate the mutant gene is caused by multiple generations of incest between immediate family members.

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bobkatt013 posted:

On another note is it just me but is John Romita Sr hundred times better then his son? It just seems that he does everything better then his son. The way the characters look, the act, and even the panel layout.

I don't think you'll find JRjr disagreeing that his father is the better artist, but when they work at similar speeds there's very little in it. Take a look at this collaboration:



It's obvious who drew what, but the whole is not jarring.

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Posted this recently in the Movie Posters thread in connection with the Dredd movie, but it belongs here.

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Zenith Nadir posted:

Anyway since nobody mentioned it, should probably mention both of those pics are from the finale of "Judge Dredd: America" and the artist is Colin MacNeil.

Actually they're the opening two pages of America, but yeah - sorry for not attributing.

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Let's just go with the completely obvious explanation: the artist lightboxed it from porn, and the woman in the original picture did have awful implants.

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Mister Roboto posted:

Yeah, seriously, you can post early Preacher and it's a completely different world.

It's a completely different world to later Preacher, even. Dillon's givafucometer broke about 6 or 7 issues into the run. Which is a great shame, as I've been a fan of his style since he first started doing Dredd in the 1980s. His "werewolf Dredd" belongs in this thread for sure, and not for the same reasons as that ASM page.

In Dillon's defence, though, he's not gone totally to poo poo like some artists do. His style remains intact, he's just not doing anything with it any more.

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Dick Trauma posted:

Couldn't find the source, but it looks like one of Tony Stark's many drunk sweats from the 1980s Iron Man. John Romita Jr.?



It'll be from Demon In A Bottle. Doesn't look like JRjr, but I don't know enough to tell if it's Bob Layton or Carmine Infantino.

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TwoPair posted:

Okay I know a lot of people like Chris Burnham but how can you look at this poo poo from Batman Inc #5 and tell me it's good?



Evidently they got confused and thought he was Frank Quitely.

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Baron Bifford posted:

These are great, but why is he singling out Hawkeye for ridicule?

It's a meme.

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Baron Bifford posted:

Does that scene happen in the book? Spidey's a nice guy, personally I wouldn't tolerate him piggy-backing on me.

You only let assholes piggy-lack you?

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Wendell posted:

So this fucker doesn't get work anymore, right? People are over his poo poo?? I hate that God drat :iamafag: face he uses porn stars use for every situation.

Editing in a minor correction for you there. Land is notorious not only for lightboxing - which could be forgiven - but for stealing from other, better artists. Get a load of this.

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Happy Noodle Boy posted:

If anything, Iron Man is the one book where Land can do ok as long as Tony never takes the suit off.

Yeah, there's enough Adi Granov art for him to trace that he should be able to illustrate most stories.

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Dacap posted:

He just traces the movie armor now. I'm certain the rationalizing for giving Tony a bulkier suit than the liquid armor one in the new book was entirely written in to accomodate Land's tracing.

When did that change? Land was caught tracing Granov in Iron Man #1 last month.

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

I love this, it's so confident. It exaggerates and celebrates her form without being overtly sexualized.

That face does not resemble anything human. The left eye is sticking out of her ear and there's no gap between the nose and top lip. I have never seen worse facial anatomy.

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How about NWSing the second picture with the demon cock, Choobs?

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swamp waste posted:

Hahahahahahaha this deserves to be framed, or in a textbook or something. This is incredible. How many hours of painstaking work did it take to convert this image fully into dogshit?

The original looked like dogshit as well, but at least it wasn't polished dogshit. The Incal is not Moebius's finest hour.

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Spaceman Bill posted:

Are you loving kidding me

You tell me.


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Hakkesshu posted:

I think he's saying those two look way better than The Incal.

That's exactly what I'm saying. I've not once said that Moebius was bad - that would be stupid, he's one of the greats - but people rave and rave over The Incal when it's pretty much the worst art he ever produced.

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Benny the Snake posted:

Content: Phil Noto draws Jon Hamm as Superman



...and I wish this would be a TV show so bad :allears:

Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's Madman!

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mind the walrus posted:

I will never understand why some people get such a.... visceral reaction to Frank Quitely faces.

Because they look weird and he tends to give everyone beestung lips - including the men. When he's on it he's really on it, though.

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funtax posted:

It's only the first 20 issues (e.g. Absolute Sandman Volume 1), if memory serves. Gaiman has been pretty vocal over the years about being unhappy with the original coloring in the first few arcs of Sandman books.

Honestly, the early Sandman colouring wasn't very good. It suffered badly from being done as four-colour separations. The remastered colouring could have stood to be a closer match in some cases - the page used as an example here being about the most obvious - but mainly it's an improvement.

The only other art change I recall is in Convergence, where the artist completely misinterpreted Gaiman's script in one panel. Said panel was redrawn.

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Flesh Forge posted:

That's just perspective, and I think it's pretty well done.

That woman in the first panel has a neck that is longer than her head. There is no trick of perspective that could make a neck look like that.

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Keldroc posted:

Frankly I think they should have redrawn the entire Kindly Ones arc for the same reason. It's not bad art, but I have never thought it worked for Sandman or that story arc.

The art in The Kindly Ones is loving horrible, only made worse by the handful of truly excellent pages that show what Hempel could have made of it if he'd tried. On top of which, it was bookended by what was indisputably the best art on the series: Bryan Talbot on World's End and Michael Zulli on The Wake. It stands out like a cock on a bikini model, and is about as welcome, and it went on for over a loving year in the last major arc of the story.

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NmareBfly posted:

Hey, is the thread title actually a rule or just a suggestion? Because there's a Kickstarter ya'll should know about.

There's a Kickstarter to make Liefeld stop drawing? I'm in.

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Choco1980 posted:

I love how he draws costumes. Instead of custom-tailored skin-tight spandex, his heroes wear stuff that, you know, someone would wear. Especially that Daredevil one with the sweats and the training gloves.

The problem with that Daredevil is he looks like a tracing of an underwear model. Also Grampa wants to be Frank Quitely, which is not always a good thing.

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Lurdiak posted:

What the gently caress are you talking about.

Matt Murdock is posed in a position very similar to one frequently observed among male models in underwear ads. A couple of examples (possibly :nws:):

http://www.malemodelscene.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Sam+Way+for+B+Boy++underwear+07.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/89c0f3d3547f3c8807e80bcfa9424dce/tumblr_mll4xpZ9yV1qgq3d6o1_500.png

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Smets posted:

Oh yes, I've heard of this. In the industry they refer to this pose as "standing."

Pretty much the only significant differences between the second pic I linked and the Daredevil are that Daredevil is "shot from below" instead of head on and the model is looking down, not slightly up. The first pic I mostly linked for the head, which is at a matching angle to Daredevil's; you can also find a similar tilt of the head on Michaelangelo's David.

I'm ready to believe that Grampa didn't actually trace a model because he's a decent artist overall, and it's not exactly Greg Land level even if he did, but he absolutely used one for a reference on that picture.

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Wachter posted:

It is a variant of the ubiquitous Statuesque Male Pose featured in everything from movie posters to Renaissance sculpture, so why you believe absolutely that Grampa used an underwear model for a reference is pretty baffling :psyduck:

It's the petulant little pout, I think.

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Flesh Forge posted:

They all are totally ripping off this famous old guy's work:

Yeah, that would have been a lot funnier if I hadn't already referenced it.

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Adam Strange posted:

And maybe the best thing he's ever drawn:


And on keyboards, the fascist dictator Victor von Doom!

"Richards ... Latveria ain't big enough for the both of us. And IT AIN'T ME THAT'S GONNA LEAVE!"

:D

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Kurzon posted:

Has Tony Moore ever drawn a Dredd comic?

Only as a commission.



Somewhere between early Dillon and Brian Bolland. Get him on the drat job.

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Teenage Fansub posted:

Justice League Shazam 21 had some great facial expressions. Gary Frank is a good dude.







He's also seriously upped his game since Midnight Nation and Supreme Power.

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Fish Of Doom posted:

It's like his head is so fat, he can barely open his eyes. Also he looks about 70 years old.

Which makes Chaykin the only person to draw Frank Castle looking anywhere close to his real age. He was meant to be 60 at the time, but everyone drew him looking 40.

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Mister Roboto posted:

Lot of feet in that pic.

Yes, but whose are they?

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Shameless posted:

It often goes unnoticed but despite being a much better artist than Liefeld, Mignola also seems to have issues with feet.


I have a sneaking suspicion that this is a subtle pisstake an homage.

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ryonguy posted:

The art is just bad all around really. Look at that first page. This could have had a neat layout, a one point perspective looking down the stairwell with the character who answers the phone drawn four times so the entire conversation takes place in a single panel splash page. Instead we get a pancaked staircase copy/pasted four times.

Is that the artist from Morning Glories? It looks very similar.

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Rotten Red Rod posted:

Apparently kids are REALLY HARD to draw, as comic book artists are consistently bad at them. They either look way too young (like above), like little adults, or aliens, like this one from the 9/11 Spiderman issue:



The blonde girl on the left there is Hit-Girl.

Still, I'd rather have badly drawn kids by JRjr than Greg Land tracing. You know the picture I mean.

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

I don't, actually. Are you talking about the cover of Trouble or something?

Regrettably not. I'm referring to the image about a third of the way down this page:

http://jimsmashextended.blogspot.com.br/2008/07/greg-land-tracing-swiping-recycling.html

Where kids are concerned, when Land was put on Ultimate Power Pack for some insane reason he wound up being investigated by the FBI.

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thespaceinvader posted:

Actually, I think this one's a colourist problem - you can see lineart for the trapezius and deltoid in her hair, it's just been blockfilled blonde.

Not unless women have been altered so their necks sprout from their right shoulder.

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SynthOrange posted:

It's not often that I can say TERRY AUSTIN RUINED THIS! but...



I'm pretty sure that's a redraw or early draft.

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