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fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Teenage Fansub posted:

One example burned into my mind is when Travel Foreman left Animal Man for Birds of Prey, his pencils in previews looked so dynamic and interesting



but ended up covered in muck and the book looked completely garbage.



If you think this is bad, here how Foremans art at Marvel was colored in Immortal Iron Fist:

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fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Dark Knight Strikes Again rules.
The gradients in it aren't an attempt to create realistic shading, it is one of the greatest colorists in the history of american comics having fun and doing the most garish, acidy colorful superhero comic book ever.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Holy Terror (and The Spirit movie and Xerxes, judging from a preview from year ago) suffers greatly from Miller moving in a comfort zone - Sin City movie was a hit, so he goes into the same high-contrast, ink-splattering, scratchy waters again and again. Thats a pity because before Holy Terror arguably every Miller book looked different from another and Holy Terror art-wise is essentially Sin City done in 300 album format.

Holy Terror has few imaginative tricks - I liked the part where portaits of ordinary people change into an empty grid and when pictures of disaffected world leaders accompany the carnage. And the final sequence in the temple is kinda cool in the way that the spherical figures remind of the Miller art style from the Ronin days.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

The Wake is drawn by Sean Murphy (Joe the Barbarian, Batman Black Mirror), not by Sean Phillips (Criminal, Fatale dude), know your Seans! :v:

for content - something screams and dies inside me when I see another complaint about how much Howard Chaykin sucks - that started back when his diehard fans Bendis and Fraction invited him to draw some guest-star issues on their Marvel comics. Modern coloring fucks his art up horribly, and, to be honest, he has not upped his game, but he deserves way more credit. Some amazing vintage Chaykin (with Bruzenak lettering on that Shadow page):



(that Star Wars poster is the first thing about the movie the world saw back in the 1976)

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

I know "tracing" became a popular word to bash everyones favorite comic artist scarecrows Rob and Greg, but thats a serious misuse of it here.

also Quitely rocks and more artists should take inspiration from him (and Moebius/Darrow school in general)

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Of course the total nudity in the original novels was mostly to titilate the teenage imagination, but the characters most certainly did not pose seductively the whole time.

What cracks me most is the title: "DEJAH TORIS WARLORD OF MARS", which implies some power to the protagonist... that is completely negated by superporny cover.

Some awesome art by Tony Moore:



and by Evan "Doc" Shaner



(he was basically begging DC for doing a Shazam book; DC, what the hell)

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

During that failed Marvel foray into amerimanga, one of the never-realised projects was... BMX Ghost Rider by Brandon Graham (completely unknown back then, fresh from porn comics)



radical!

The remnants of the manga boom turned up well: all those embarassing Marvel projects are forgotten, Tokyopop is destroyed, but talented artists still work: Warren, Graham, Stokoe, Corey Lewis, Ross Campbell, Becky Cloonan, O'Malley, Takeshi Miyazawa...

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

A cool art jam between Brandon Graham, Simon Roy and Adam Warren:

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

I like Stuart Immonen going into thick outlines



Manapul doing a Williams III



80s-90s Romita Jr. :swoon:

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

These photos are charming, some are clever, but Noto really has the problem with variety and dynamics and his sequantial work is pretty bad because of it.

Mike Deodato sure loves the bullet casings from the infamous Minigun Daredevil page, so he brought them back for Original Sin:


A published page in a top 10 best-selling comic, starring naked model of a helicopter:


Deodato is no Finch, but I am still baffled at his status as one of the prime artists at Marvel.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

There is an ongoing column on TCJ.com called "Jack Kirby: Behind the Lines", which is mostly an interesting dissection of the Marvel Method, but also an opportunity to have an old-fashioned slapfight in comments showcase a lot of terrific art from the King of Comics. I love the inked pages in the latest installment, they showcase a work of a very good inker who brings a soft touch to Kirby figures:



I haven't visited any Kirby exhibitions but I think that his art needs to be projected on a huge wall next to the actual displayed page. Hell, I would cover the whole buildings in Kirby awesomeness.

Also, way grittier art and subject than usually expected from the King:

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

On the other hand, Roy Lichtenstein is revered in fine art world, despite the efforts of respectable comic book creators - he applied Warhol's principles of recontextualizing "garbage" and treated comics like disposable products that are ripe for remixing into High Art.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

I'd say if you turn any popular exposé of Land's hackery into a museum exhibition and call a pic of surprised Sue Storm something clever you would get a kitcsch art sensation on your hand - with people praising his work as a fascinating critique of female objectification in popular culture. Chinese knockoff merchandise has more art value and thought material in it than Lichtenstein at this point.

Lichtenstein did not credit his sources, which, with his elevation to pop art pantheon, contributed immensely to the refusal of accepting comic book art as worthy of any look without a cynical ironic detachment. Which, in my opinion, led to literary critics embracing comics instead, with Maus winning Pulitzer, comics being reviewed in the book sections of magazines and classic works getting second chance in big book reprints. History of American comics is the history of comic book artists being shat on, sadly.

Something on the topic from Jamie Hewlett and Brendan McCarthy

(Hewligan's Haircut)


(Solo #12)

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Wendell posted:

You know this thread is hard up for terrible art when we start nitpicking like it's the Buckley thread.

How about some Marvel Mangaverse Ghost Riders?!

They should ressurect it just to have a crossover with Inferno Cop

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013


James Stokoe did a cover for What if? Age of Ultron #2

What if Age of Ultron looked like this, indeed.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Ed Piskor of Hip-hop Family Tree fame did a cover for Tom Scioli's GI Joe/Transformers crossover portraying a bboy battle between franchises

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Steampunk-era Bachalo had problems, I'll give that, but the first image is pretty clear and that storyarc ruled.

Modern Bachalo, starting from his work on Sinister Spider-Man and "Shed", is amazing, he constantly taps into his crazy imagery and composition from Shade: The Changing Man.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Criterion Collection frequently hires comic book artists to do covers (and whole packages) for their releases, the latest one is Connor Willumsen with absolutely stunning take on Scanners:


fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

JacquelineDempsey posted:

I think I asked this already in this thread, but never got an answer. Are there some good websites or books that talk about coloring? As an artist, I'm sorta stuck in looking at good vs bad coloring like the old "porn vs art" NEA political debates of the 80's: "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it." I'd really like to learn more from a studied, theoretical standpoint.

You should follow some current-working colorists on their blogs or deviantarts, they routinely go through their process. Interviews are good too, currently there is no shortage with them because of the "royalties for colorists" talks and ever-rising attention to the craft from big sites.

Here is coloring veteran Steve Oliff talking about his work: http://www.comicscomicsmag.com/posts/2009-06-20-steve-oliff-riff.html

Usually, the good/bad coloring debate erupts with the publication of some lousy reprint of a classic comic, see the criticism on the awful, awful Incal "remasters": http://joglikescomics.blogspot.com/2009/04/desastre-hurlant-t4-is-man-good.html http://funnybookbabylon.com/2008/10/20/re-coloring-moebius/

or Tom Scioli examining the butchering of Barry-Windsor Smith's Conan: http://comicsalliance.com/whatever-happened-to-barry-windsor-smith-in-the-comics-conversation/

And of course, every reviewer/critic worth a drat should write about color when they write about comics. I love the writing of Sarah Horrocks because of that, she always dives into it: http://mercurialblonde.wordpress.com/2013/10/02/the-labyrinthian-colors-of-brendan-mccarthy-in-freakwave-rogan-josh-and-paradax/ http://mercurialblonde.wordpress.com/2013/07/22/kvlt-and-a-bunch-of-other-words-you-wouldnt-use-to-describe-red-sonja-1/

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

JacquelineDempsey posted:

I was so psyched to see Travel Foreman on Birds of Prey based on this:

And then when I got the issue it looked like this:

Bleah, the color sucks the life right out of the drawing. I just want to learn how to avoid that if/when I add color to my own art. Also, Black Canary's outfit being blue and not, oh, I dunno, black, is definitely Bad Art imho, so hopefully I'm not still derailing.

fake edit: oh god Katana's glistening boobs in that first panel, I'm surprised there's not some lens flare thrown on 'em for good measure

It is not even the worst thing that has been done to his art



Not a surprise that he has burned the bridges with Big Two and is doing his own comics now:

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

al-azad posted:

Look at the thumbnails. In the original piece you can make out the three distinct elements: guy falling, buildings, and balconies.

In the recolor you can make out the guy's shirt and nothing else. That's the importance of good coloring and why the recolor is poo poo. I should be able to follow the action with my eyes half closed.

It is ironic that the classic Moebius comics (Long Tomorrow, Incal, Airtight Garage) inspired the washed-out, rusty look of the original Star Wars and the recolor resembels the prequels' endless shiny plastic and metal spheres.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Anime_Otaku posted:

The 2014 She Hulk is not the best looking but #5 is absolutely awful looking, it looks like it was drawn with marker pens.

Sorry, but Ron Wimberly owns and Marvel is suuuuuper lucky to get him for an issue and some covers

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Work in-progress by Travel Forman:


Starfire's wardrobe aside, I love the variety in body sizes in this pic. Barda is always drawn as a big lady, but WW and Starfire being visually bigger than ordinary women is a nice touch underlining their otherworldness.

Handsome Thor and Cable by Kevin Wada:

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Authors tend to lose interest in their creations during the long hiatuses.
Of course for Stokoe it is mostly a financial matter, Orc Stain sold absolutely horrible in single issues. But i am baffled at how much he draws and just buries under the table, like the Poison Thrower one-shot.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Dick Trauma posted:

It's crap for crap's sake. I can't understand what demographic it appeals to. People who like intentionally bad comic book art?

You know what lo-fi is? Or B-movies?

I feel bad for people who live in a bunker and has slept through basically all nostalgia-filled altcomix of the last decade.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Teenage Fansub posted:

Just read Superman #33, which is the second issue of the highly publicized Geoff Johns/John Romita Jr. team, and it made me want to highlight something I just can't understand in big budget comics these days.

Completely wonky environmental lettering.





I know it might be tough for a letterer to follow an artist's free lines that might not strictly conform to exact perspective, but I can honestly say that with the rudimentary image manipulation experience I have now, I think I could do a much better job at integrating text.

The way the letters on the top of that cover page are just individually offset rather than warped (especially with a line to guide right there underneath) is insane to me.

and that lab sign is a fuckin box. How could you miss the perspective at all?

It's crazy.

Ideally it should be the artist's job, as leterrer is not granted the right to gently caress with the art beyond slapping a layer of bubbles, captions and SFX.
But the artist most of the time only does pencil work, so the burden gets transferred to the next in line.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Pat Mills knows how to write for crazy artists:

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Jedit posted:

That's a blatantly obvious filtered photo of Krupp's giant digger.

Clint Langley is the British Greg Land who uses his pub buddies as models



His art on Slaine is so overfiltered, uncanny valley-ish and borderline fumetti it transcends into something wonderful

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

redbackground posted:

Spider-Woman is having a terrible week:

Lookit dat little leg nubbin!

"Help me white Spider-Woman, I have no legs"

Dennis Hopeless & Greg Land - I hope that book lasts for years and these guys break the Bendis/Bagley record of working together. Just a nice little contamination zone title.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

zoux posted:

IDGI??

Courtesy of CBR here are all of Manara's Marvel cover variants from the last 1.5 years. He's definitely got a sameface problem.


I like Angela and Black Widow covers!
Also Medusa is awesomely freaky.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Gulacy used to be an awesome Steranko imitator

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Flesh Forge posted:



No film can possibly depict this kind of page composition, I'm not even going to bother to ask you to name one.


SynthOrange posted:

Ang Lee's Hulk :v:

The movie equivalent of that would be rapid montage of close-ups preceded and followed by a lavish slow-motion shot.

Split-screen in movies is used to show something going on in two (or more) places at the same time (the only people who could do that well are Brian De Palma and the 24 crew), panel size in comics is used to measure the passage of time in depicted images, number of panels determines the number of "cuts".

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

mind the walrus posted:

Quitely didn't do the Zatanna mini, and honestly she was never dressed that skimpy in the mini, but the top hat is a dead giveaway that it is Zatanna.

It is from the illustration for the Playboy interview, probably the editor's request :v:

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

It is supposed to be Deadshot (probably?) but all I can see is Jesse Ventura from Running Man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LazUZz3K6IY

Imagine somebody deciding to check the Suicide Squad comic after the movie announcement and seeing THIS

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Star Man posted:

When is that scratchy, sketchy kind of line drawing going to finally go away?

It can be already considered gone since the dedicated traditional media inkers are a dying breed and most artists are doing their own inking in MangaStudio.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Dark_Tzitzimine posted:

This weekend was my city's con, and aside of having the pleasure to met Brian Azzarello, Clayton Crain, Chad Hardin among others. I got this great sketch from Legendary Starlord's artist, Paco Medina



:allears:

oh god drat it

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Shitshow posted:

Marvel is releasing re-mastered versions of the original Star Wars trilogy comics, and they're a bloody travesty: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/04..._medium=twitter

Murdering Howard Chaykin artwork with modern coloring has been a custom for more than a decade, but this one is somehow an achievement in that field.

PicklePants posted:

I love the Young Thor story as well.



For an entirely different reason. I totally get a Korgoth of Barbaria feeling from the last panel. And those faces are cartoon gold.

You should read Chew by the same artist

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

mind the walrus posted:

Remember now there is no such thing as pinup or softcore wank material in mainstream superhero comics and any acknowledgement of such must be met with dozens of arguments about how all the men are idealized forms too and thus there is no such thing as pinup or softcore wank material in mainstream superhero comics.

The 90s superhero swimsuit specials are kind of endearing because they were equal-opportunity to male/female cheesecake and presented a wonderful world of consensual pleasures. No deaths or grudges, only abs and butts.

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fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

zoux posted:

So I'm reading the last arc of God of Thunder and am just stunned by how beautiful the future stuff involving Galactus is. I love Ribic, but how much of the art is down to Ive Svorcina? The colors and lighting are just amazing and is that solely the purview of the colorist or what? Honestly, I've always just kind of cared about pencils, but I realize that I probably shouldn't be ignoring colors and inks.

Ribic did his first comics in fully-painted art and they looked even better, check out his Loki mini.

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