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RyceCube
Dec 22, 2003
Royce Gracie did a seminar here today, and I just received my blue belt in BJJ from him :D Really awesome seminar, was pretty nervous rolling infront of him vs all my more experienced and bigger team mates. Thankfully, even though I thought I did poorly, managed to get my blue from him :)

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Bohemian Nights
Jul 14, 2006

When I wake up,
I look into the mirror
I can see a clearer, vision
I should start living today
Clapping Larry
Congratulations on your blue belt, but is it common to get belts through seminars? I'm not sure how I feel about that.

RyceCube
Dec 22, 2003

Bohemian Nights posted:

Congratulations on your blue belt, but is it common to get belts through seminars? I'm not sure how I feel about that.

I live in Atlantic Canada. Theres only 2 black belts in our entire province, and none of them are affiliated with our school anymore. I train under two very experienced blue belts (They are most definitely purple, at least), and although we recently became affiliated with Edgard Lucke and the Cia Paulista organization, Royce promoted a couple people when he came here last year. He had Edgard Lucke's (our black belt) permission to promote us since Edgard Lucke hasn't been able to come around yet.

Big Mouth Billy Basshole
Jun 18, 2007

Fun Shoe

Bohemian Nights posted:

Congratulations on your blue belt, but is it common to get belts through seminars? I'm not sure how I feel about that.

I think it depends on your school. If it's part of an affiliate, they may only allow the top instructors to give out belts. For instance, I train at a Royce Gracie affiliate which is run by a brown belt. My instructor can give our stripes, but any new belt promotions usually only come from Royce or Rodrigo. I got my blue from Phil Migliarese seminar hosted at our school, since he's a Gracie black belt as well.

I think my promotion came more from my instructor, because I rolled like poo poo during the seminar, so I doubt I impressed Phil enough to warrant a promotion.

mewse
May 2, 2006

Natalie Portmanteau posted:

It's been 6 months since my shoulder dislocated and it's still weak. gently caress.

Are you doing rehab-type exercises? A lot of the people with logs in W&W seem to have shoulder problems and they follow routines cribbed from physical therapists to strengthen the injured area

Natalie Portmanteau
Aug 19, 2010

by T. Finn
I dislocated it falling to the ground with another dude locked in my embrance in judo. Ridiculous amounts of pain the first time. It happened last December around christmastime.

I did some rehab then went back too early because I'm addicted to judo. My shoulder has since then dislocated 3 more times. It's ridiculous how easily it comes out now. I know, I know. It doesn't even hurt that much anymore when it pops out.

The last time it happened was not even in randori, just got thrown in a practice throw.

I've pretty much stopped going to judo, which sucks because I love it. Goddamn it.

edit: yes - I'm trying to do rehab. I have some exercises to do but don't feel it's effective enough :(

Jerome Louis
Nov 5, 2002
p
College Slice
Your labrum is most likely torn. Same thing happened to me except I was wrestling. It will keep popping out no matter how much rehab you do. Don't be like me and keep training and letting it pop out, I've dislocated it probably like a dozen times or more and from the ball slamming into and out of the socket has really torn up the cartilage there, now I've got some nasty arthritis and bursitis. Arthritis as a 25 year old sucks, trust me. You should get surgery if you can and rehab it fully before you start training again, or take time off and lift weights or do other exercise where you aren't in danger of it popping out.

gimpsuitjones
Mar 27, 2007

What are you lookin at...
You can still pop it out lifting, ask me how i know :(

Natalie Portmanteau
Aug 19, 2010

by T. Finn

gimpsuitjones posted:

You can still pop it out lifting, ask me how i know :(

How do you know?


Jerome Louis posted:

Your labrum is most likely torn. Same thing happened to me except I was wrestling. It will keep popping out no matter how much rehab you do. Don't be like me and keep training and letting it pop out, I've dislocated it probably like a dozen times or more and from the ball slamming into and out of the socket has really torn up the cartilage there, now I've got some nasty arthritis and bursitis. Arthritis as a 25 year old sucks, trust me. You should get surgery if you can and rehab it fully before you start training again, or take time off and lift weights or do other exercise where you aren't in danger of it popping out.

Are you loving kidding me. Surgery? :gonk:
No way I'm getting surgery, I can't afford it.

When I went to the physical therapist a while ago it was a bit ambiguous whether it was an anterior or posterior dislocation. However, when I do the thing when you puff your chest out and swing your arms horizontally to the back – once my right arm is about 10 degrees past my side, I can start to feel my shoulder coming out. Ugh.

Edit: My plan was to try to lift a lot and build up the muscles in my shoulder so I can do judo again.

Edit: I just figured out – when my arm swings toward the back, my shoulder WILL dislocate if my palm is facing up. If my palm is down then it feels fine. There’s definitely something hosed up in there.

Natalie Portmanteau fucked around with this message at 07:52 on May 9, 2011

gimpsuitjones
Mar 27, 2007

What are you lookin at...

joebuddah
Jan 30, 2005
Can someone tell me about "ata" Taekwondo. The mother of children has enrolled my son in a school that is a black belt factory. After watching one class I could tell this school was a joke. What's the best way to talk them into getting a refund. (She signed a year contract

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
Got a website or link?

ManicParroT
Aug 31, 2007

by T. Finn
Is "ata" this?
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/American_Taekwondo_Association

I must say, their belt system is splendid. Apparently they have tons of belts, and nice little metaphors about a seedling becoming a pine tree and then a rock.

quote:

Orange belt - "The sun is beginning to rise. As with the morning's dawn, only the beauty of the sunrise is seen rather than the immense power."[6]

Sweet, I want immense power.

And

quote:

Camouflage belt - "The sapling is hidden amongst the taller pines and must now fight its way upwards."[8]

I want a camouflage belt but I guess I do a lame martial art :(

Fake edit: Apparently every belt doubles, they have "recommended" and "decided", so you can get twice the tests and fees! Amazing.

Bohemian Nights
Jul 14, 2006

When I wake up,
I look into the mirror
I can see a clearer, vision
I should start living today
Clapping Larry
I was in the same situation with my much younger cousins. They are both enrolled in a taekwondo class, and I was very skeptical about the entire thing so I went there to watch at some point. Yes, it was mostly bullshit, yes, I wish they could be tiny little armbar machines instead, but they seemed to be having fun and getting some good exercise, and depending on how old your children are, that might be the most important thing.

Also a camouflage belt sounds loving rad. I would wear a camouflage belt.

Longhouse
Nov 8, 2010

Chill out, dog
e: meh

Longhouse fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Sep 5, 2011

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Bohemian Nights posted:

I was in the same situation with my much younger cousins. They are both enrolled in a taekwondo class, and I was very skeptical about the entire thing so I went there to watch at some point. Yes, it was mostly bullshit, yes, I wish they could be tiny little armbar machines instead, but they seemed to be having fun and getting some good exercise, and depending on how old your children are, that might be the most important thing.

Also a camouflage belt sounds loving rad. I would wear a camouflage belt.

the one thing that bothers me about these situations is that every dollar going to these guys is a dollar that could/should be going to a more legitimate school.

Rhaka
Feb 15, 2008

Practice knighthood and learn
the art that dignifies you

Oh hey, a new thread spawned while I was away for a week, fancy that.

Where I was off to was a HEMA seminar--the 10th edition of HEMAC Dijon to be precise. 4 days of swordfighting, wrestling and crazy umbrella whacking goodness followed by nights of drunken debauchery surrounded by french people.

This poo poo was so cash. Got to try out a whole host of weapons I normally never get a chance to work with, followed a workshop on Pancrase, which involved amusing rear end-to-balls throws and bareknuckle fisticuffs, saw some hardcore gladiator combat by the same people, got bitchslapped, and fought in a longsword tourney.

Pretty much shat myself as I recognised my opponent from earlier, fighting like hell and having pretty intense/intimidating warmups, but apparently I work pretty well under stress as I proceeded to somehow stab her in the face enough times to be awarded the match. Then it happened again to someone with half a decade of experience on me, and THEN I got murdered by someone I didn't know. Which is considerably better than the first round loss I expected. Had a blast.

Then in the last hour of the event I randomly grappled with a guy, got him in guard, he stood up, whereupon I hugged his neck and he shook me off, but not before taking his pants down with me. In a hall with around ~150 people. Crowning loving moment.

Rhaka fucked around with this message at 17:20 on May 10, 2011

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

Don't mind me. We must protect rapists and misogynists from harm. If they're innocent they must not be named. Surely they'll never harm their sleeping, female patients. Watch me defend this in great detail. I am not a mens rights activist either.

Natalie Portmanteau posted:

How do you know?


Are you loving kidding me. Surgery? :gonk:
No way I'm getting surgery, I can't afford it.

When I went to the physical therapist a while ago it was a bit ambiguous whether it was an anterior or posterior dislocation. However, when I do the thing when you puff your chest out and swing your arms horizontally to the back – once my right arm is about 10 degrees past my side, I can start to feel my shoulder coming out. Ugh.

Edit: My plan was to try to lift a lot and build up the muscles in my shoulder so I can do judo again.

Edit: I just figured out – when my arm swings toward the back, my shoulder WILL dislocate if my palm is facing up. If my palm is down then it feels fine. There’s definitely something hosed up in there.

Yah, I've been told the same thing by my physiotherapist. Dislocated my shoulder twice. It feels pretty solid but I wont be going back to BJJ for a long while. Go see a shoulder specialist, dont be doing this on your own because it WILL pop out again if its not tight enough. Not to mention if it almost pops out like the way you mentioned!

The ligaments in your shoulder once stretched never heal the second dislocation around, so its very likely you'll need surgery with a third one. Sorry buddy, I know, Im in the same boat, it sucks. The surgery is pretty minor, its arthoscopic and its a day procedure. You'll be out 6 months after it but theoretically your shoulder should be back to normal.

A buddy of mine wants to roll sometime in the future when Im ready. He's a judo guy though, curious as to what are some of the weakness and strengths in a non-Judo ruleset style matchup? Starting standing, not from the knees. I imagine I want to keep my base low and avoid his grips to avoid throws, and I guess one advantage will be my single and double leg takedowns. Any other thoughts in terms of strategy against judo? I dont intend this to start a judo vs bjj debate, I just mean in a matchup under non-Judo rules.

swagger like us fucked around with this message at 01:59 on May 10, 2011

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

swagger like us posted:

A buddy of mine wants to roll sometime in the future when Im ready. He's a judo guy though, curious as to what are some of the weakness and strengths in a non-Judo ruleset style matchup? Starting standing, not from the knees. I imagine I want to keep my base low and avoid his grips to avoid throws, and I guess one advantage will be my single and double leg takedowns. Any other thoughts in terms of strategy against judo? I dont intend this to start a judo vs bjj debate, I just mean in a matchup under non-Judo rules.

He's hosed if you take his back. That was my biggest hole when I started BJJ.

Thoguh fucked around with this message at 02:13 on May 10, 2011

Ridleys Revenge
Mar 24, 2007

B...B..BUT IM SUCH A "NICE GUY"!

ps if you see me post in E/N tell me to continue therapy for my anger and entitlement issues and stop behaving like a textbook example of a whiny twat

swagger like us posted:

A buddy of mine wants to roll sometime in the future when Im ready. He's a judo guy though, curious as to what are some of the weakness and strengths in a non-Judo ruleset style matchup? Starting standing, not from the knees. I imagine I want to keep my base low and avoid his grips to avoid throws, and I guess one advantage will be my single and double leg takedowns. Any other thoughts in terms of strategy against judo? I dont intend this to start a judo vs bjj debate, I just mean in a matchup under non-Judo rules.

It's hard to give good advice without knowing how experienced your opponent is against non-judoka (also I'm just assuming this is gi grappling):

Shots are a gamble- if he's not used to them you can hit them all day and he'll probably just pull guard or try to sumi gaeshi you repeatedly. If he's familiar with them he'll probably have no trouble stuffing your shot and sinking either a clock or dive-over choke. If you don't wanna risk it, just hop into guard instead and sub him from there. If you're good at lockdown, spider or butterfly guard he probably won't know how to deal with them, and he'll only know the basic subs so leglocks are go (be careful).

niethan
Nov 22, 2005

Don't be scared, homie!
Just do a rolling heelhook, no big deal.

Fontoyn
Aug 25, 2009

by Y Kant Ozma Post
gently caress me, as I go into my gym for the first time in 2 months to get that ranking sheet, I'm greeted by a sign saying:

GEAR SALE, WEDNESDAY: MAY 12TH, 3P.M.-7P.M.

As it turns out, my gym is going under and I can no longer mooch free time in exchange for strength/conditioning for the new kids. Worse still, I apparently own 300+ for months I didn't ever come in to train (and the logs prove it).

So, for the people with more experience than me, how can my gym always be packed to bursting, my coach charge 150+ a month, and we're still somehow hemorrhaging money so bad he's selling off gear?

Natalie Portmanteau
Aug 19, 2010

by T. Finn

swagger like us posted:

Yah, I've been told the same thing by my physiotherapist. Dislocated my shoulder twice. It feels pretty solid but I wont be going back to BJJ for a long while. Go see a shoulder specialist, dont be doing this on your own because it WILL pop out again if its not tight enough. Not to mention if it almost pops out like the way you mentioned!

The ligaments in your shoulder once stretched never heal the second dislocation around, so its very likely you'll need surgery with a third one. Sorry buddy, I know, Im in the same boat, it sucks. The surgery is pretty minor, its arthoscopic and its a day procedure. You'll be out 6 months after it but theoretically your shoulder should be back to normal.

Yeah. It doesn't seem like my shoulder is healing. Maybe surgery is the only option :(

I can't afford it though

Syphilis Fish
Apr 27, 2006
Judo is a lot more explosive and high paced due to its ruleset than BJJ. In my experience, (straight)Judo guys are like ADHD Jiujitsu guys with standup throwing skills. If they combine it with the power of BJJ, they often become really explosive players.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Fontoyn posted:

gently caress me, as I go into my gym for the first time in 2 months to get that ranking sheet, I'm greeted by a sign saying:

GEAR SALE, WEDNESDAY: MAY 12TH, 3P.M.-7P.M.

As it turns out, my gym is going under and I can no longer mooch free time in exchange for strength/conditioning for the new kids. Worse still, I apparently own 300+ for months I didn't ever come in to train (and the logs prove it).

So, for the people with more experience than me, how can my gym always be packed to bursting, my coach charge 150+ a month, and we're still somehow hemorrhaging money so bad he's selling off gear?

How much is your rent and your insurance? They can be pretty expensive. Other than that, hate to say it, but do you know he's not dipping into the business for any private spending, IE gambling or anything like that?

George Rouncewell
Jul 20, 2007

You think that's illegal? Heh, watch this.
Hey, i go out to travel for a few weeks and you guys make a new thread! I like the OP except there should be a bolded "WE'RE GOING TO TELL YOU TO TRAIN JUDO AND/OR BOXING" surrounded by sirens right at the top.



I could write up something on MMA if no-one else is willing

awkward_turtle
Oct 26, 2007
swimmer in a goon sea

Fontoyn posted:

So, for the people with more experience than me, how can my gym always be packed to bursting, my coach charge 150+ a month, and we're still somehow hemorrhaging money so bad he's selling off gear?

Well, he let you owe 300, so I guess he doesn't have any direct debit set up. If one guy's not paying there are almost certain to be others in the same situation. Does he not do contracts? They're pretty much a necessary thing for any kind of steady income. Depending on your location rent could be high, utilities, gym insurance, the owners personal insurance, (if he's smart he's carrying disability so that an injury doesn't ruin him) his cost of living, improvements to the gym like new mats can be hideously expensive.

Most good martial artists aren't very good business men, the attitudes kind of run counter. Rorian is making money hand over fist and he's hated in the BJJ world for it.

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

Illegal Username posted:

Hey, i go out to travel for a few weeks and you guys make a new thread! I like the OP except there should be a bolded "WE'RE GOING TO TELL YOU TO TRAIN JUDO AND/OR BOXING" surrounded by sirens right at the top.

Actually, aren't the martial arts goons more favorable to BJJ and/or Muai Thai? Because that's the impression I've always gotten from these threads.

Bohemian Nights
Jul 14, 2006

When I wake up,
I look into the mirror
I can see a clearer, vision
I should start living today
Clapping Larry
Judo has gotten a pretty good rep the last year or so when it comes to recommendations, but I think it's about a tie.

Gramps
Dec 30, 2006


Natalie Portmanteau posted:

I dislocated it falling to the ground with another dude locked in my embrance in judo. Ridiculous amounts of pain the first time. It happened last December around christmastime.

I did some rehab then went back too early because I'm addicted to judo. My shoulder has since then dislocated 3 more times. It's ridiculous how easily it comes out now. I know, I know. It doesn't even hurt that much anymore when it pops out.

The last time it happened was not even in randori, just got thrown in a practice throw.

I've pretty much stopped going to judo, which sucks because I love it. Goddamn it.

edit: yes - I'm trying to do rehab. I have some exercises to do but don't feel it's effective enough :(

Get. It. Fixed.

I dislocated and tore my right shoulder skateboarding when I was 22. I'm 30 and it's still hosed. It's made training suck for me and my training partners, and has just made everything more of a pain in the rear end than necessary- especially stupid things you take for granted like sleeping. I haven't popped it out for awhile, but I know just the littlest stupid mistake and it's out again. Knowing what I know now, I should've got it fixed as soon as I had the insurance coverage to do so. Torn labrums do not heal on their own, so get it fixed asap.

manyak
Jan 26, 2006
i think i made a new best friend in kickboxing today

- came from a boxing school, today was his first day and he spent the class 'correcting' everyone elses technique to make it more wrong

- he goes and picks out the smallest, youngest kid there for sparring and starts lighting him up; my coach corrects him and pairs him with me. now he decides "can we go really light and do no kicks. im a little rusty"

- he immediately starts throwing bombs, after i hit him with a few leg kicks he claims he has an injury in that leg so i shouldnt kick it. i switch to liver kicks and after 2 or 3 he sits down in the middle of the ring and goes 'phew im gassed out! i need to stop smoking!'

- as we are leaving he decides to give me some boxing tips and reflect on whether or not the gym is good enough for him to return. personally i hope he does

mewse
May 2, 2006

HATE MONDAYS posted:

i think i made a new best friend in kickboxing today

- came from a boxing school, today was his first day and he spent the class 'correcting' everyone elses technique to make it more wrong

- he goes and picks out the smallest, youngest kid there for sparring and starts lighting him up; my coach corrects him and pairs him with me. now he decides "can we go really light and do no kicks. im a little rusty"

- he immediately starts throwing bombs, after i hit him with a few leg kicks he claims he has an injury in that leg so i shouldnt kick it. i switch to liver kicks and after 2 or 3 he sits down in the middle of the ring and goes 'phew im gassed out! i need to stop smoking!'

- as we are leaving he decides to give me some boxing tips and reflect on whether or not the gym is good enough for him to return. personally i hope he does

yeah man i'll be back on thursday, good sesh brah

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

mewse posted:

yeah man i'll be back on thursday, good sesh brah

:staredog:

Senor P.
Mar 27, 2006
I MUST TELL YOU HOW PEOPLE CARE ABOUT STUFF I DONT AND BE A COMPLETE CUNT ABOUT IT

Fontoyn posted:

gently caress me, as I go into my gym for the first time in 2 months to get that ranking sheet, I'm greeted by a sign saying:

GEAR SALE, WEDNESDAY: MAY 12TH, 3P.M.-7P.M.

As it turns out, my gym is going under and I can no longer mooch free time in exchange for strength/conditioning for the new kids. Worse still, I apparently own 300+ for months I didn't ever come in to train (and the logs prove it).

So, for the people with more experience than me, how can my gym always be packed to bursting, my coach charge 150+ a month, and we're still somehow hemorrhaging money so bad he's selling off gear?

Off the top of my head:
1. Not everyone is paying
2. Coach is stealing money
3. Rent is raised
4. Landlord wants you guys out
5. Poor management

Senor P. fucked around with this message at 04:59 on May 11, 2011

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

HATE MONDAYS posted:

:staredog:

Was it even possible in your mind he would come back?

KingColliwog
May 15, 2003

Let's go droogs
I'm the king at injuring myself! My thumb holded up fine so that makes me happy, but yesterday I got hit square in the jaw by an elbow and it doesn't feel good today. Eating won't be fun for the next week or so! Anyway, going back to judo after 2 weeks off felt great. I had an horrible day (I'm a substitute teacher and had the worst groups ever + 2 flat tires on my car) and everything was good once I triangled someone and felt them tap. I really don't know how I'd survive if I had a serious injury and had to leave judo forever.

On the other hand, coach had a lot of good words on my judo yesterday. He told me he looked at what I was doing since Christmas and he thought I was really personalizing my judo and really building a style of my own. He's starting to use me as an example when he teach people how to defend ground attacks because people don't seem to know what to do against my horrible triangle and weak-rear end armbar. Judo self-esteem level up :ssj:

Winkle-Daddy
Mar 10, 2007
It really inspires confidence when I have a question and instead of making up some bullshit answer the instructor says "Hey man, let me talk to some people about it and get back to you next class!"

In my old karate days the instructor had sort of a case of "I'm the instructor, I know what's best and I don't care what you were told at this seminar by this guy that outranks me by a whole bunch. It's probably because it's a different flavor of Karate, and not what I teach, so when you're here, you do it my way. Period." Some of the TMAs seem to have a complex around tradition over practicality and there is no way to get an honest answer beyond "because I said so."

One of the many reasons I don't go there anymore!

artard
Sep 11, 2001
TMAs have a complex because they are "traditional" martial arts and if they adapted their techniques they would no longer be upholding "tradition"

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Winkle-Daddy posted:

It really inspires confidence when I have a question and instead of making up some bullshit answer the instructor says "Hey man, let me talk to some people about it and get back to you next class!"

In my old karate days the instructor had sort of a case of "I'm the instructor, I know what's best and I don't care what you were told at this seminar by this guy that outranks me by a whole bunch. It's probably because it's a different flavor of Karate, and not what I teach, so when you're here, you do it my way. Period." Some of the TMAs seem to have a complex around tradition over practicality and there is no way to get an honest answer beyond "because I said so."

One of the many reasons I don't go there anymore!

Nothing is better than my bjj coach who will grab someone, have you demonstrate the problem, then break it down in front of you for 10 minutes, then offer 3 or 4 solutions, plus ten answers for questions you didn't ask but should have.

Jiu-jitsu computer.

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swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

Don't mind me. We must protect rapists and misogynists from harm. If they're innocent they must not be named. Surely they'll never harm their sleeping, female patients. Watch me defend this in great detail. I am not a mens rights activist either.

Natalie Portmanteau posted:

Yeah. It doesn't seem like my shoulder is healing. Maybe surgery is the only option :(

I can't afford it though

poo poo man Im sorry to hear that. Canadian here so my surgery would be free, but it might take like a year wait to get it anyways so Id be out for a good while. Hell it might take a year wait just to see a shoulder specialist! And cause I dont have a family doctor right now, I have to go to a walk in clinic just to get referred.

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