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Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
I'll write up about gay frog sailor kickboxing in leotards for the first page, as soon as I have a moment.

Also could have a fight in a week, with either ballet boxing or plain regular amateur boxing available. It's quite hard not to train until I can't sit up without pain right now, I'll probably be so exhausted after a week I'll lose via becoming a statue. Exhibition only though, so no worries (not as if the people who climb into the ring aren't taking it seriously enough).

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Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
What's the use or rather, the purpose of breaking? Also I'm not trying to be an rear end, but never having done any TMA (or else) with breaking I honestly just don't know.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

Skrotum posted:

Does anybody else have difficulty explaining combat sports to those who aren't into them? That's why I try to avoid telling people I train BJJ and boxing because other guys automatically think I'm trying to be a bad rear end. I have to explain to them its just a fun hobby to do that keeps you fit, I dont have any delusions about fighting in the UFC etc. etc.

Haha yes, I don't often even try, martial arts must be the most misunderstood way of staying in shape and bad for your average coffee table discourse. I never mention my hobbies, unless I personally know everyone who is in listening range. Especially the male gender of the species who've had more than three pints should be avoided at all costs - it causes their IQ to become halved and results in rants about how hardass their Muay Thai training (or whatever) used to be and other types of uncomfortable posturing.

I'm not sure about the exact psychology affecting the responses therein, but I suspect it has something to do with insecure alpha-male (or beta-male) status. Thus, I only talk about training with my friends who either train and when nobody else is around, or people whom I know well enough not to get into a paroxysms of "tough" and various other show offs.

I also tell people I train in aerobics and gymnastics if someone asks really hard.

We used to go for a drink to one of our locals with a friend after rolling sessions to discuss things over, and someone overhearing us was surprisingly often bothersome, neither of us having an inclination to talk about which martial art is the best or could someone 200 pounds overweight become "fit" for the summer without doing any training or putting any work into it. So when someone barreled into our space I'd tell them I'm doing bodypump and aerobic wearing a funky leotard with neon colours (which is halfway true) or some poo poo. Men will look at you, contort their faces into various positions and leers which imply serious thinking, and then go away.

Chicks? Never mind. I still haven't met a girl or a woman who is really bothered about someone going to a boxing class instead of cycling or lifting. [I still avoid the subject though.]

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
The mystery of mysteries about martial arts is that people who spend their free time practicing one, from wrestling to boxing to Aikido are usually by far less violent or prone to having fits of physical rage as opposed to those who do not. This is anecdotal in the sense it is my experience only but I have to say most people I know - and who train something - almost singularly agree.

Unfortunately, and this is why it is a mystery in the first place, those who never engage in such activities often take it to be the opposite.

Training anything with any consistency quickly forces you to accept to the fact your abilities are somewhat limited and it's not a good idea to "fight" anyone, and even if you have a mean streak and if you are superbly talented, offers a legal and easy way to blow of steam and causes you to respect other people (during training), in this way making angry people more pleasant and more respectful towards others in general. (Almost all of the shitheads who try to practice martial arts because they want to beat people up quit in no time, because they get beat up so much themselves and dislike it or are doing the wrong thing for various other reasons.)

This mistake in thought is widely spread and not limited to your regular office worker. I once had an interesting conversation with a shrink, or a specialist on psychiatry if you will, a doctor with many decrees, who also suffered of this prejudice. Because I have as a sport trained punching at people she immediately concluded the moment I go "nuts" I would be in danger of assaulting others by utilizing my learned skills instead of just kicking a chair or saying something in an angry tone of voice. (We have good medical care at work and go through these things for free). It was not easy to persuade her to understand that exactly because I have practiced applying force I understand the consequences far better than someone who has not, and therefore will avoid it to the extreme, even when under duress or agitated to an extreme.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

Paul Pot posted:

half of my training partners get into fights regularly

i don't know any other people with a soft spot for random brawls

Well crap, they are some crazy motherfuckers, but as I said it's anecdotal - my experience only. That is what I've seen and who've I met. I don't know anyone who regularly get into fights and those who train anything at all want to get into ones even less than those who don't.

edit: I mean, poo poo, what kind of people do you hang around with :colbert: I have to admit I'm all for random brawling, much as I'm all for open borders and other stuff which makes people choke on their tongue but I also understand that in general my ideas don't work and are not really that good for your average guy or girl. That's one reason I won't go around the town trying to get into random brawls. After the legal side of it.

02-6611-0142-1 posted:

Fencers would dominate your theoretical sport, because fencing is all about dancing around at long range and tapping each other in annoying places, though most of the attacks wouldn't translate into doing any actual damage in a real... fight.

That would be a good description of Savate :v:

Ligur fucked around with this message at 01:10 on May 17, 2011

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

Adolfo Castro posted:

Let's roll. :banjo:

Let's have at thee! Beat them the gently caress up! Oops, incorrect.

Please practice sport with your pals and friends until someone says someone wins.

Illegal Username posted:

This post is so goddamn manly it made a beer crack itself open in my fridge. :yarr::hf::cheers:

I drank a jallu to toast the post, which is more manly than self-cracking beers

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

Adolfo Castro posted:

Got a prolapsed disk in the neck.

Oh drat, that really sucks. Very sorry to hear. I really really hope the rehab helps.

Just... best wishes.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
Hmm, I was clocked by one of the old boxers who come to our gym with a right hook - which I "blocked" by a glove glued to the left side of my head - so hard the hit left me standing in bright fields of swimming white light and completely deaf. It took me a few seconds to find out where I was. Sure, I was still standing when I woke up and everything, but for a blink had no idea what was going on and couldn't hear a thing.

Was I concussed :confused:

edit: I've been knocked senseless but still on my feet before, but that was one of the two times I've been reduced to seeing white (and not hearing anything) when I still placed a glove between the incoming fist/foot and my head. I'm guessing it isn't that healthy in the long run.

Ligur fucked around with this message at 16:41 on May 28, 2011

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

Adolfo Castro posted:

Don't stress mate, I see it as just another challenge.

How you are taking and handling the neck injury is drat exemplary, and an encouragement to all.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
I have CAMOUFLAGE wrist wraps, fuckers!

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
Here's some Savate assaut pictures for you guys from our club. I'm the fat guy missing with the the jump kick, the one with the punch is me dodging a turn kick, with a sidestep I'm now proud of now that I can see it, and countering with a right cross since he was kinda there - lost the fight anyway, the other dude there - he has simply better technique all around.








Edit: I just got a call that one our instructors is sick and can't make it, so I volunteered to instruct a stand-up practice for some MMA guys tomorrow, any hints on that regard, Adolfo or someone? I can throw a boxing session for people no problem, but I'm thinking if I should incorporate something to serve the MMA aspect of things into it.

Ligur fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Jun 6, 2011

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
Yeah that's what I sort of thought to begin with, poo poo, I'll keep it simple, you guys are spot on right. MMA (or MT at this point) are really not my best areas, but basic boxing is quite doable and they'll need it anyway.

After the warm-up and stretching I'll give the guys a couple of rounds of light sparring - boxing to be exact - to gauge where we are and then use some of the drills I already have written down from previous classes according to their level and try and refine their basic punches with some evasions. Say, guy #1 throws two jabs and a heavy right, guy #2 slips and counters with hook to the body and an uppercut -type of thing.

I don't know the group personally, but know at least a couple have been doing MT before so they'll have decent hooks and elbows, but a few are pretty much newbies in everything. Umm, better be mixing pairs regularly and have them do those basic combinations, distancing & free sparring to finish it out before the cooldown.

edit: I also hear from the guys at the office our MMA guys, both basic and advanced course, have some issues with boxing - namely that they get into throwing wild haymakers the second you let them do it, I guess that's something I could work on ;) We're really not an MMA club to begin with though, it's just there on the side because there was so much interest in it as far as I understand, and the original mix-fight striking instructor moved away or something

Ligur fucked around with this message at 11:43 on Jun 7, 2011

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
I decided to have fun and had the brave MMA beginners practice the fine art of sparring and to end the class some superman punches. Also standing still holding your chin up while your partner throws a constant flow of strikes at your head - as fast as possible but with 0% power. That's so that when they start sparring they don't get scared about getting smacked, and can concentrate on their techniques! (It might sound crazy, I don't know, but you can tell when people have enough respect not to hurt their partner and telling people to do this is always a good laugh for the whole class, if nothing else).

At least they seemed to have fun too :v:

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

Adolfo Castro posted:

Best method for this. One person stands with back against the wall, other person starts throwing, nice and slow, making sure everything is blocked and the blocker isn't looking away and keeping the hands on their head. Gradually increase speed, sometimes feeding the person quick uppercuts so they are still practicing countering.

Is the person against the wall, like, actively blocking and moving his hands and head, or just basically standing still with his hands up?

Also we do, and I very much like to have people do sparring where they are not allowed to move backwards, not an inch. When I see too many people doing the "on train tracks" thing where the other guy first lunges and tries to kick or wildly punch his partner, who takes 10 feet of steps back only to charge back 10 feet himself, trying to avenge the missed punch by a wild single strike, while the OTHER guy now quickly retreats 10 feet it's fun to call a time-out.

When people can't move back (and know their sparring partner can easily take revenge on anything idiotic they do) they suddenly start throwing much more considerate and better thought out strikes... oh, and evade by side stepping and head movement, which both are good things for everything that has to do with french gay sailor fighting since it shouldn't be about power strikes and eating hits but instead fun ballet with drunk elves with funny boots or some poo poo.

Of course we also hang on the ropes of a boxing ring corner while someone beats you up.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

Bohemian Nights posted:

Invent a new type of sensory deprivation tank, where you're just relaxing and having a good time, and then out of nowhere a dude just comes out of nowhere and starts loving wailing on you.

I snorted beer into my nose reading this to produce a very odd guffaw followed by a regular laugh. Well done.

Winkle-Daddy posted:

I can't decide if that would be badass or terrible. I've often thought it would be cool to have a martial art where one of the higher level tests would be something like you're getting into your car after work and a paneled van pulls up and a couple of people get out with masks on and attempt to kidnap you. I know this is an insanely stupid/dangerous thing to do, but that doesn't stop me from day dreaming. You would also have to swear anyone who's gone through this test to secrecy under penalty of a severe beating or something.

We kidnapped a friend (not martial artist) for his bachelor party this way. They were in a church for the baptism of his cousins kid. We conceived to ask his wife to take him out at certain moment and were waiting in ambush. When he asked her what's this about, four of us rushed from behind holding airsoft MP5's wearing balaclava, in total silence to avoid recognition, took him down, threw him into a pickup and blindfolded him while one of us was holding a glock to his head. Much fun was had by all!

Then we drove for 30 kilometers to a sauna and a feast holding a gun to his head in silence. He stopped shaking and probably figured out all's good when one of us raised a bottle of vodka to his lips after driving around for a bit... We also had a sign saying "BACHELOR PARTY LOL" we flashed to everyone (people who saw us from the car windows gave us weird glances) and informed the cops before we pulled this fun prank.

I imagine in some other country than Finland you could get shot and killed pulling out something like this though. The next day I had to take the weapons home, and rode a tram with a terrible hangover wearing camouflage cargo pants and shouldering various assault weapons, a few sticking out from a bag. Nobody came to the part of the tram where I sat (some actually walked in and turned around) except one woman who had just returned from living in Israel the other day and said "gently caress me, is it like this in Finland too now!"

I also somehow didn't get shot or even stopped by the cops or security. Those were times...

Ligur fucked around with this message at 10:33 on Jun 11, 2011

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
Hmm, my gig for the summer seems to be instructing 50% of two new fitness boxing and Savate Formé classes, which is the fitness, no contact version. I have to say French Formé practitioners are often technically great and really fun to watch, but such excellence is limited to frog country mostly.

This is an interesting challenge to say the least! Most of the people are, after all, participating because they don't even want to hit AT someone or have any contact now or in the future, which makes it different to many of the local MT & kickboxing basic courses which have no sparring during the basic but at least aim at that.

Also I'm used to having people punch and kick each other by week two of training. Can I still make it fun and have fun myself? How is their fitness level off the bat? And the most important matter of all will I be able to get people interested in real gay leotard sailor boxing?

edit: drat, I lucked out, both groups have some of our previous students from some time back who want to have another go, a few friends I didn't know are even coming and most of them were #1 really fit for a basic course #2 learn very fast. That was a fun day.

Ligur fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Jun 13, 2011

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

Winkle-Daddy posted:

Any suggestions on maximizing loving with him?

Some ideas I've had so far are:
- Anything with several attackers.

A couple of drills I "love" is the one where you fight against two assailants, both of whom are directly to your left and right. They take random turns in charging you trying to get shots in, which you can't see at all really unless you drop your head and look down (which makes peripheral vision magic). This is sort of doable unlike "get thrown into a van by six guys while you are blindfolded and they have weapons". However you can't truly face either attacker even momentarily, as you must constantly be aware of the other one even when countering or he will punch you in the back of the head.

Another fun one someone with striking ability could enjoy might be the fearsome semi-bad-angle enemy: the victim faces three opponents, the primary target, right in front of him, is whom he must keep in his direct line of sight at all times, while the two other attackers hover behind the shoulders of the primary, 45 to 90 degrees left and right from the victim. The guy who... benefits, err, the victim of the drill keeps his eyes locked on the primary target at all times no matter what happens, while the other two attackers take random turns wailing at the benefactor victim of the drill from his peripheral vision. If his eyes leave the primary he must be somehow punished like stabbing with plastic knife or pepperspray or having to eat 10 hot-dogs I don't know.

Edit: and with shots I mean strikes, and also now I can imagine an accomplished Judo guy having actualy fun with the drills above, repeatedly throwing the guys who come at him while staying on his feet. Or Steven Seagal, he'd just teleport them away with wrist control

Ligur fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Jun 15, 2011

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
As you should, you rear end in a top hat, you didn't mention the two guys directly left and right drill so you didn't do it now did you?!

Your brother sort of has one thing right, probably 90%+ of the fights in most of our lives ever would start and end with 2-5 seconds of boxing because "you said my friend is a fag/you hosed my ex" :haw: Then you get out of high school or the frat house and never fight again unless you are really unlucky at the night grill :allears:

Just bs'ing, street fights are always whatever it seems, you can't tell, also rarely is there only one person involved and everything is good to learn etc.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
Another mystery which forever confounds me is the water bottle regulation. Is it ok to drink whenever you want to? Do you need the instructors permission? Will he be angered if you gulp down some cool, delicious mineral water in the middle of the exercise and if so, why?

I mean there are so many different styles of doing the water bottle. There are instructors and coaches who make it a point not to have any when they don't say so, others would have you drink a sip every 15 minutes, others just let you drink whatever you want whenever you want.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

Dirp posted:

Ough! Punched! Left cross in face!

Get punched a lot more, I mean, the idea with boxing is that you clock your enemy when he is punching at you anyway? If someone has your number every loving single time you throw a jab he probably KNOWS you are going to throw a jab and you really can't beat that. So take it as a reflex workout you probably can't solve.

In a fight when that happens, stop throwing the punch the other guy knows you are going to throw :)

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
I've been punching through Twins gloves lately at an alarming speed. The first pair held up for quite a while but the second was just annihilated and the third is getting pummeled.

I have a pair of Fairtex 14 oz and SDI 16 oz for sparring only (sponsored "almost free" piece of equipment this one), the Fairtex gloves feel really small and get through easily, the SDI gloves have a nice padding in the palm/wrist area so you can use them as sort of pads but maybe I should change brand or something.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
I'm always wondering how low he keeps his hands but then he's more or less never in the range for someone to land a hand strike. Pretty cool really.

edit: I wonder if there's a single MA nerd here who really doesn't watch UFC these days :)

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
I've been thinking quite a bit about boxing lately and I always come back to this. Just so if someone doesn't know about these fights. Look them up.

addition: Just look at these guys go, what the gently caress

Ligur fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Jun 24, 2011

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
I get what you mean but just check out those combinations, there's plenty of 4-6 strike attacks that are so awesome. I would never want anyone to "protect" themselves like that either but poo poo.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

Bohemian Nights posted:

I'm a BJJ white belt, yes, but I have a green (oooo!) belt in TJJ, and I've been training at this club for about two and a half years, so I do have some seniority over a lot of other people there, if nothing else.

I guess preparation (and motivation to sit down and prepare) is key.

It's really cool what you've done, you know I went down the same path over the last year :) The thing with teachers authority is interesting. When you are over there basically telling other people what to do they'll just... listen and do it. The most difficult thing is not somehow, maybe magically, acquiring the expertise to teach and instruct, the most difficult thing is just the act of walking in front of 30 other people and then tell them what to do and why.

A lot of people I've "instructed" are more experienced, accomplished and bluntly would kick my rear end if that mattered, but I try to take holding a class a service, a structure I can provide and try to share some of the fun I've had. Of course there isn't a single thing I've come up on "on my own", I just copy (what I think) are the best things others have done when they were trying to teach me. Sit down, think about the class and what it's trying to achieve, write it down and go have fun with it. Surprisingly it seems to work quite well.

Also when you teach newer people or complete beginners, they couldn't even tell if you were nervous or unsure about something... they are already too horrified about being there to notice.

Ligur fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Jun 26, 2011

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
KidDynamite's post had me watch this again re: boxers not getting hurt. Winky takes on feared power puncher Felix Trinidad. Wright gets hit a poo poo ton, but when you watch it nothing really gets through. He has the best defense only keeping his hands up rolling with the punches, after which he throws the jab (or three) - and scores.

Just beautiful boxing defense standing more or less in one place during exchanges. No damage.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
I still think the correct one is "I was winning the fight - up to the moment I died"

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

KidDynamite posted:

Was this from the story where the guy was getting peppered with ineffective punches(stabbed to death(literally))? That was depressing don't make it the thread titile.

Yeah about the hulking guy who loved fighting everyone and anyone and never lost fight, until that happened.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

showbiz_liz posted:

So, it seems like a martial arts class could be pretty great for me. I want to get fit, and my friends who do BJJ say it's awesome for them. HOWEVER, I worry that I am too out of shape to actually begin- like, I would need to increase my base level of fitness to not get laughed out of the class/beaten savagely. This is PROBABLY all in my head, but it would be nice to get some insiders' perspectives on this. If I show up to, say, a beginner's BJJ class, will they turn me away/expect more of me than my body can give?

It's in your head but don't worry about it - you're not alone with your doubts. The #1 most common reason for people not to start a martial art is what you said, it's because they think they have to FIRST get fit and THEN start practicing something. "'Cause I'm so outta shape."

But this is not true, believe me and everyone else here.

The Basic Course of ANY martial art exists solely to get very unfit people fit enough to start practicing it for real later, and give some style specific tools. The beginners class and course exist exactly for people like you! The less fit you are, the more endorphin drunk you will get at first of course, and the first two or three weeks will be testing your limits, but nobody will laugh at you for being in couch potato shape.

Quite the opposite: if someone who is, say, seriously unfit shows up to the beginners class and starts going at it, you'll earn everyone's RESPECT for having the guts to do that! And NOT be one of the guys who imagine they first have to magically get fit by themselves somehow and then show up. I have a poo poo ton of friends who died walking stairs at some point, but when eventually were talked into it (picking a martial art beginners course) or had the mental fortitude to go ahead they've never looked back and I've heard of not a single person who has regrets about going forth with it.

Do it man. You have more than you think in you and especially at first will get more fit faster than you ever imagined.

edit: and I agree with what other people said earlier, every beginners course has a fair share of unfit dudes anyway, if not most of them, and being on the thin side, you'll have much easier of a time than seriously obese folks because you don't have to handle the weight issue at the same time you are trying to get your fitness level up

Ligur fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Jul 6, 2011

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

Nierbo posted:

I'm interested in this as a theory. Is it that a particular type of person (tough) is attracted to martial arts, or do they grow to have a high pain tolerance as they train, or is it an adrenaline thing or just a mental thing. I certainly don't have a high pain tolerance and never have but when I'm at judo I take all sorts of things in stride that I feel I wouldn't normally be able to. Perhaps telling myself that complaining will do no good makes me feel the pain less, like if I don't think about it, it won't hurt. Maybe its just 'the zone'. I'm trying not to get too abstract here. Can anyone relate?

I'm a huge pussy who cries if someone shoves hard and that certainly didn't stop me from starting martial arts. Then you get used to discomfort and pain, and in my opinion, the more you experience discomfort and pain which is only that: pain, the more you can tolerate it. Much of the "pain" your average joe suffers from, say, a sudden punch is really a scare. Have you seen what happens when someone who never had brothers to fight with or has never seen a boxing gym reacts when pushed over or punched a little? "AHHHH! WHAT HAS BEEN DONE UNTO ME! CALL THE POLICE! AND THE AMBULANCE, I'M DYING!" Even though they at most have a tiny bruise.

So, umm, what I'm saying doing martial arts gets you over the scare and slowly builds your tolerance to discomfort. It carries over to everything, I recently fooled about playing stupid drunk parkour and slipped from a stone pole bruising my thigh rather deep, you felt it through a few beers, and couldn't care less forgetting to even wince. But I remember a time in my life when a similar bruise would've had me whimpering and probably sitting down for a while.

Also my favourite personal BJJ anecdote, when I used to do it every week I had a couple of friends along and we intentionally crossfaced each other and used our arms to grind at face (maybe a shithead move but it was a mutual "it's ok") and after a while I noticed my tolerance of getting punched in the face while boxing had gone up leaps and bounds.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
Hey guys, I just kettlebelled for the first time this morning (and some thanks for that goes to certain guys in this thread). It was a... a... revelation. What are these muscles I've never felt before?

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
Dickhead!

Anyway the idea is that with a sport like gay french kickboxing, 10% of the muscles you use are located in the legs, 5% are in the hands and shoulders, what matters is your core and all the small deep muscles people never really utilize to any extent.

By kettlebelling all day long, I will become the kick machine I've never managed to be before!

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
Haha I won't, I think all forms of exercise are awesome. If someone exercises and likes it, that's good.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

Hellblazer187 posted:

But the other guy said getting a bouncer job is easy with MA experience! Out of curiosity I searched for bouncer in my area on indeed.com and found nothing. I wonder where one goes to get these jobs? I'm employed but I'm curious because I often feel like my grip on employment is tenuous.

You get bouncer jobs through friends, not ads. A friend has a friend who works the door and needs someone to cover a few shifts, or you are on talking terms with a local barkeep and it comes up he needs someone on the door next Saturday but the regular guy left town or is in in jail/hospital or something.

So at that point you tell them about being a boxer or shootfighter or something and that's when the easy comes.

Most bouncers and doormen (no matter what part of the world you live in) seem to be in a semi-criminal mob fraternity of sorts anyway and those in any area know each other, so the best way to get work on a door is to know one of them...

Ligur fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Jul 11, 2011

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

Hahaa that's really cool stuff, thanks for the link man

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

Mechafunkzilla posted:

I was always taught that kicking someone in the balls isn't that great a move because when someone's adrenaline is pumping, it's relatively easy to shrug off. This is backed up by personal experience. Plus you're risking that the guy will catch your leg.

This one Finnish martial artist/bouncer/lifestyle fighter/martial arts nerd is always telling the same thing. He recalls his first time trying when he was 16 or so, and started a fight with some older guy who was at their home really drunk and making a mess. Anyway he thought kick-to-balls will surely prevail against a larger foe and proceeded to repeatedly kick the drunken and very enraged man in the testicles to no visible effect (at this point I have to remind any reader that even a 16 year old if fighting- or sports-inclined, or both, can have serious power in a kick). I don't remember if he choked the guy or somehow manhandled him out or what happened but he didn't win with the kick to the balls at all.

HOWEVER as a surprise attack, when someone is not either on psycho-gear and/or drunk and/or high will cause serious amounts of pain and probably disable the person for a while. I mean, I don't know why someone would do something like that, but as witnessed, it really hurts.

But yeah as far as SD goes, everyone who has ever instructed me always reminds that counting on pain and pain alone to get out of the situation can backfire in a bad way. If you can go for a solid knee between the legs, sure, but don't trust you'll drop him with it.

edit: also gently caress I too just realized there really was a Chinese TMA discussion continuing 2+ pages without insults, enraged posters nor trolling, which makes posters in this thread somewhat special (for the internet at least) - I mean in a good way

Ligur fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Jul 12, 2011

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
Second kettlebell workout with a fellow instructor! One of the best things is how loose and limber your whole body feels after. Although I sometimes suspect she is actually trying to kill me, instead of helping me work on my core, I was lying on the floor in puddle of my own sweat at one point.

Re: speed, I, too, think there's a certain upper limit. My punches are like bazillion times faster than they were six years ago but I know my body will never co-operate with me to the extent I become a Tyson no matter how many tens of thousands of punches I throw and explosive pushups I perform.

Edit: when training for speed remember guys, when your muscles become tired you are not training for speed anymore. Throw, say, a series of six straight punches as explosively as possible then rest your arms until they are back to 100%. You know how sprinters train? Yeah, they don't run as fast as they can for as long as they can, instead they do a 100 or 50 meter sprint at full speed, then rest for 10 minutes, have a drink and chat about chicks or something. Then they do another sprint.

Ligur fucked around with this message at 11:42 on Jul 17, 2011

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
My worthless two cents is that it's 105% ok if Judo guys discuss Judo terms in Judo language? I mean, what the gently caress?

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
I was just watching the movie Ironclad and while it's over the top in a dozen ways, it has awesome two-hand sword fighting, copied from 15th century manuals as witnessed in this thread a couple of pages ago with all the stabs, trips, grappling and even dragging guys down with the hilt and pommel. No prancing around with two swords which weigh less than plastic nor flying in the air, the actors heave large hand weapons at each other in slow arcs, stab or smack each other in the face with swift mace and hammer blows. Pretty cool stuff.

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Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
My gun defense is to continue residing in a country where being help up at gunpoint is as rare as winning the lotto twice in a month.

edit: after that it's casting "Invisibility" on myself

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