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Hello and Welcome to the SomethingAwful.com Ask/Tell Martial Arts thread. This thread is for people curious about starting a martial art, as well as general MA discussion. The last thread was over 350 pages, so we decided to start a new post. Why Should I, a Goon, enroll in a martial art? r.y.f.s.o. posted:I was a bit of a tubbo, 6'0" and 215, but I was definitely lacking in anything resembling muscle from years of lifting nothing heavier than a notebook and my fingers to type on it. I got sick of feeling like a wet noodle constantly and chose BJJ / Muay Thai in the hope it would beat the fear and fat out of me, and it did. Fontoyn posted:Also, pump yourself up. poo poo like: "this motherfucker can't do poo poo to my butt" relaxes and psyches me up. You don't have to be strong or fast or tough to start a martial art. Actually, starting one will make you stronger faster and tougher than you probably thought possible. Read this OP, read the thread and get going! The Rules 1. Don't be an rear end in a top hat. This includes, but is not limited to: making GBS threads on someone's style/training/school/instructor just for the sake of doing so, or attacking another poster on a personal level. It is possible for reasonable, adult human beings to disagree with each other, and discuss the merits of an aspect of MA (for the greater benefit of everyone) without it becoming a shitfest. So if you're taking something personally, stay out of the thread. Shitfests get bad here because we all are aggressive people, if you find yourself in a heated discussion, take a second to relax and consider that you are typing on the internet. 2. A style of Martial Arts in the modern day is simply a commercial brand, don't put any more stock into it than you would your Nike shoes or iPod MP3 player. Always base your decision on what you want to do with your time. If you like punching people in the face (and don't mind getting punched in return), there are "styles" for this. If you like wrestling around, there are styles for that. Pretty much anything you want to do that revolves around fighting, even avoiding fighting completely can be found within the Martial Arts. Martial Arts is a broad discipline; it exists in many forms and there are many paths from which to chose. These include Self Defense arts (Krav Maga, RBSD styles), Combat Sports (MMA, Kickboxing, Submission Grappling), Performance/Demonstration styles (XMA, Wushu), Historical arts (Iaido, Kendo), and much more. 3)Take the time to read up on things a bit before you ask questions that could be answered by going to Wikipedia. The info will go a long way towards helping you find what's right for you. 4)Keep the following rule in mind: Individual > Training Method > Style. No matter what you do, if you are not training hard, in the way that most fits your goal, the name over your gym's door does not do any good. 4. Really, Don't be an rear end in a top hat I am new to martial arts, what should I do? First, read this quote on Martial Arts for Self Defense: Mechafunkzilla posted:There is no martial art where the basics can be "grasped decently" in a short amount of time such that it would actually help you. It's all about internalizing the movements until they become second nature, tons of repetition, and lots and lots of sparring. The only way you can ever really become proficient at any concept or technique is to use it in sparring against a resisting opponent. That's why many martial arts don't work. Anything that claims to teach you actually useful self-defense skills in a few days or weeks and isn't called "how to buy running shoes that fit" is bullshit. Even if the techniques are sound, showing them to people who won't practice them for a few months is just setting them up to get stabbed to death when they try to fight someone instead of run away. It is important to realize that a "6 week executive self defense course" or "woman's defense seminar" is, at best, useless. You should consider a martial art as a longterm hobby, like cooking, playing basketball, or learning to knit. Second: Knowing how to fight and knowing self defense are not the same thing. They are in fact, often completely opposite goals: fighting is about winning, self defense about surviving. The number 1 self defense technique is: don't get into bad situations. quote:My friend got jumped by three people outside a strip club at 3 am. He just got a few bruises but he asked what I would have done, as a martial artist. I told him: I wouldn't hang out in a strip club parking lot at 3 am! You can use martial arts as part of self defense, but only as a part not a whole for example: You do Muay thai: You can knee a guy in the stomach and run away You do Bjj: You use your guard to recover from a blindside tackle and run away Notice how both scenarios don't end with a KO or submission, they end with getting the hell out of there. This is a nice article on realistic self defense: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-truth-about-violence Third Dont Wait to Start! Gyms will train anyone that can shuffle through their door, they won't judge or turn you away. There are a lot of stone cold bad asses that started super out of shape. You don't need to workout 6 weeks or do anything to prepare, just show up and do what you can as much as you can! Do not try to Teach Yourself a Martial Art. DVDs, The internet, and Books will not teach you what you need to know and will lead to bad habits at best and injuries at worst. Find a teacher, Youtube-jitsu does not work. Imagine your diet: Books, Videos, and Media are supplements, the gym is what you are actually eating. No one can survive only on supplements, no matter how many gel caps they cram down in a day. Now That we have our big warnings out of the way, I will divide the recommendation section by general category. These are generalizations, and like all generalizations, will leave out exceptions. Please remember that these are all generalizations and you might find a school of XXX that is not like what you read here. I highly recommend linking the website for any school you are interested in here, the collective MA knowledge is staggering and someone will have advice for you. Practical Often Competition oriented, these styles feature full contact, live sparring and generally hold "does it work?" above any other factor. If you want useful you should stick to: Bjj, Muay Thai, Judo, kickboxing/boxing, kyokushin karate. You might find a gym doing a practical form of,say, Kung Fu, but it's just better odds that those styles will give you skills you can apply to a real life resisting human being of your size/strength. *Olympic Tae Kwon Do is also a competitive sporting style, but its ruleset encourages techniques that are less practical in a generic no-rule, or MMA situation. Still a cool sport and tell Anthony Pettis TKD is useless. *If you are school-aged, and your school has a wrestling team, consider joining it. Wrestling is a highly effective martial art. I do not include it here because it's hard to find independent wrestling schools or clubs once you are out of school. First thing you should break down is whether you would rather strike or grapple. Second, find the best place and teacher for what you want to do. Third, if you have multiple options, take the style you are most interested in doing. Striking Styles, in no particular order: Muay Thai Boxing Kickboxing Kyokushin Karate Savate San Shou Grappling Styles: Judo Brazilian jiu-jitsu Sambo Submission Wrestling (aka catch wrestling) Summary: 1)Decide if you want to hit or hug. 2) Find the best teacher/gym for whichever you prefer. 3) If you have equal teaching options, go with the style you are most interested in. I say teacher before style because who you are training with is a much bigger deal than what you are training, assuming you stick to the MA styles named above. If you've got an Olympic level Judo gym down the block, it's sort of foolish to train with a blue belt in bjj because you insist on doing jiu-jitsu. Performance These styles are generally less interested in applying techniques against resisting opponents and more about personal development: physical and mental Styles Include: Kung Fu, Most forms of Karate, Tai Chi, Wushu, Wing Chun, Aikido, Iado. The Advice for finding a school here is pretty similar to practical styles. Find a good teacher, accredited by whatever body sanctions the art. Make sure the facilities are decent, the students seem comfortable and enthusiastic. Judge it the same way you would a book club, aerobic class, cooking course, any other activity. Weapon Because it's not 1645, most weapon arts are more about tradition and personal practice than practical application. If you are interested in a sporting weapon application, check out Kendo and Fencing. If you want practical use of sticks and knives, the best you will find is in a FMA (filipino martial art). If you want to do cool stuff with different sharp things, check out wushu or (ugh)XMA. You might also want to consider "european martial arts" which is basically people using old manuals to reconstruct traditional european methods of fighting, both armed and unarmed. If you want practical sword fighting: What to Avoid There are some things you really just want to avoid, no matter what you're looking for in a style. Now, please remember these are just things that should make you question the gym and really consider if you want to join, not hard/fast rules. Still, these negatives usually come in groups, so I doubt you will more than one of these warning signs at a legit school. 1) No free introductory lesson or "try before you buy option". Any legitimate school should be perfectly happy to have someone drop by and check out the atmosphere, as well as offer some form of introductory class. I also warn you against long term contracts, especially if the school does not offer any month to month option. 3month/6month/1year contracts have become more popular, even among legit schools, because it gives the gym owner an assured income over a set period of time, rather than having to recalculate and sweat revenue every 4 weeks. Still, they should accommodate you if you only want to pay month to month. 2) Long term contracts and high pressure sales. if you feel like you're talking to a used car salesman, look for the door. 3) Ridiculous rankings: Yes you might be lucky enough to live close to a 7th dan, but if google does not turn up 5 pages featuring their name, it's probably bogus. Anyone claiming to have multiple high level black belts or any level of black belt over 3 or 4 should merit close scrutiny. Remember, anyone can get a black belt http://www.amazon.com/Shihan-Karate-Belt-BLACK-300cm/dp/B003EH3MHE/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1304439407&sr=8-9 4) Insane claims: Spirit Magic Chi bombs, one touch KO power, death touches, bullet dodging. There is a reason you don't see anyone, ever, doing these things outside of their carefully constructed environment/scenario. They are a fantasy. If you want to learn this stuff, go here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref...&qid=1304360469 5) Ninjitsu: This was never a style, it is dubious if ninjas even actually existed as organized groups. Anyone claiming a ninjitsu lineage is either making it up, or buying into someone who is making it up. There is room for almost everyone in martial arts, but these schools are so bad, and so shady, that I will universally recommend avoiding them. Finally, you may want to take a look at Bullshido's review forum to see if anyone has already been to the school(s) you're interested in attending. They've also expanded to review everything remotely martial arts related, so if you're curious about a DVD instructional or (god help you) energy drinks take a look http://www.bullshido.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=50 Styles Krav Maga Real "krav maga" is military combatives much the same as any other military combatives taught to any other army in the world, a short course of "stab him with your bayonet if you have no other options like shooting him" - What is taught in the US as krav maga has precisely no quality control over what's taught, because anyone can open a gym and call it krav maga - There is a 99:1 crap:ok ratio and neckdeep bullshit - What is taught is never tested in competition. Real, full-speed competition is an essential part of becoming competent at fighting, for conditioning against the adrenaline, developing skills of timing etc, and testing effectiveness of techniques. Krav Doesn't Have This. It has fat guys in combat pants doing Jason Bourne cosplay. How do you know how good you are at fighting if you've never had a fight? - You are taught striking by people who have never trained striking properly as part of a real striking art. Watch some krav videos. It's all stupid bullshit like I've linked, or bad kickboxing. Tip: Skip the bad kickboxing taught by a guy who did a 1-week army combatives course, and do real good kickboxing taught by a guy who has been a real fighter and trains real fighters - Mostly there's no grappling or it's terrible - It has a focus on REAL WORLD SELF DEFENCE when the preferred real world self defence technique is not getting in a fight in the first place, and if you do, then having the skills from an actual proper fighting art like boxing, muay thai, etc will serve you much better than trying to chop people in the side of the neck to knock them out - Almost all the techniques taught (except the bad kickboxing) assume an untrained opponent, and will not work on a trained opponent, ie throat punches, terrible takedowns, eye pokes, groin kicks, etc, whereas in actual fighting sports you learn things that work against other trained people as well as your average guy There is no reason to do it. Why are you so set on it? If you are set on learning some sort of fighting for the vanishingly unlikely scenario that you'll actually need to use it for self defence it takes a lot of actual hard work and dedication to become competent, and it's best to cross train a striking and a grappling art. Do BJJ because hugging dudes in pyjamas is really fun. Muay Thai Fight Videos! Art of the 8 limbs blah blah watch these and ong bak and go chop down a tree with low kicks Guilty posted:Went through my post history to watch some good fights: Aikido Internetjack posted:A few comments on Aikido; I trained in it for four years back in my college days. It was one of the best things I ever did for myself. mewse posted:Boxing Sambo quote:
Other SomethingAwful links Grappling thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3386441&pagenumber=24#lastpost MMA Fan subforum: http://forums.somethingawful.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=177 External Martial Arts link: Bullshido: http://www.bullshido.net/ Bullshido can be a little crude and I'm pretty sure a lot of their forum posters are overweight 13 year olds but they host honest discussions on martial arts and do god's work in spotlighting really lovely martial art schools and people. It's also run by an SA goon, the whole place has a vaguely somethingawful feel. Check out their newbietown section to ask questions without fear of being trolled. The advanced Striking/grappling forums are also pretty good. I would provide links to other good martial arts forums and websites, if they existed. Xguard86 fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Jun 22, 2013 |
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Various Martial Art Descriptions and A big old post on Conditioning Thoguh posted:How is this for a Judo write-up? Any suggestions for changes to the format or the content? Brazilian Jiu-jitsu Smegmatron posted:I made a BJJ post. Tell me if I got anything drastically wrong. Also if anybody can find an image of a rear naked choke that doesn't involve MMA fighters, post it and I'll put it in. I spent ages looking and all I could find was lots of really bad tattoos. Lt. Shiny-sides posted:Effort Post Incoming!!! Xguard86 fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Feb 4, 2014 |
# ¿ May 3, 2011 17:21 |
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I C/Ped that Krav Maga into the OP, as well as fixing the links. I'll add as many write ups as people want to write.
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# ¿ May 3, 2011 20:42 |
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KingColliwog posted:This thread title from a few pages back in the old thread was better "Ask / Tell: The Martial Arts Thread: I was winning the fight until I died" I thought about making it that, but then I thought about how it would sound if you didn't know about the story that preceded the quote. I C/Ped the aikido quote into the OP because I think it's maybe the best and most honest description of Aikido I've read on the internet. We have that really good bjj writeup in the last thread, but I can't C/P it with all the urls and images intact due to quotes. Xguard86 fucked around with this message at 15:24 on May 4, 2011 |
# ¿ May 4, 2011 15:19 |
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added the boxing writeup. Glad everyone is happy with the OP.
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# ¿ May 4, 2011 22:00 |
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Smegmatron posted:That owns hard but BJJ newbies reading A/T probably aren't the best group to be encouraging into flying armbars. If we're going to do that, I'd put in a gif of Garza's flying triangle at UFC 129. Can you repost it outside quotes? I can't C/P the old one without losing the pictures and url links because I cannot quote a quote (or just tell me how to do that). Also look again Sucka TKD is in the OP as an asterisk under practical/competitive styles.
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# ¿ May 5, 2011 15:28 |
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willie_dee posted:I have a friend (not really a friend, but someone I know) who is convinced that Aikido is the be all and end all in a fight. I have tried showing him MMA/UFC and what not but he has all this bull poo poo about why it doesn't count. Is there a right up any where on how rubbish Aikido really is in the physical combat sense? I know bullshido used to have these great Your Martial Art sucks videos but I can't find an Aikido one. These people are usually so stuck in their own delusion that you can't really do anything for them, just piss each other off. Ironically, I take a page from the Aikido playbook and just gently parry the issue. Even if you beat him up, the standard line is: "well aikido has a steep learning curve but once I "get it" in 10 years, you won't be able to touch me". Which, if you apply any logical thought, is insane. There is no other skill on earth where you mystically jump from terrible to mastery, windmills do not work that way. Still, that is what he will claim. Sorry if I am making GBS threads on any aikidoka, it's not a bad MA but many of the people involved in it are awful or abrasively delusional. Also, Sambo writeup added, thanks!
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# ¿ May 5, 2011 20:56 |
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at this point: basically the same. I'm not an expert so someone else might be able to tell you what is actually different.
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# ¿ May 6, 2011 17:43 |
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Your armbar is not complete until you can snap a 2x4 with it.
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# ¿ May 6, 2011 18:58 |
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Bohemian Nights posted:I was in the same situation with my much younger cousins. They are both enrolled in a taekwondo class, and I was very skeptical about the entire thing so I went there to watch at some point. Yes, it was mostly bullshit, yes, I wish they could be tiny little armbar machines instead, but they seemed to be having fun and getting some good exercise, and depending on how old your children are, that might be the most important thing. the one thing that bothers me about these situations is that every dollar going to these guys is a dollar that could/should be going to a more legitimate school.
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# ¿ May 9, 2011 20:56 |
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Fontoyn posted:gently caress me, as I go into my gym for the first time in 2 months to get that ranking sheet, I'm greeted by a sign saying: How much is your rent and your insurance? They can be pretty expensive. Other than that, hate to say it, but do you know he's not dipping into the business for any private spending, IE gambling or anything like that?
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# ¿ May 10, 2011 15:15 |
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Winkle-Daddy posted:It really inspires confidence when I have a question and instead of making up some bullshit answer the instructor says "Hey man, let me talk to some people about it and get back to you next class!" Nothing is better than my bjj coach who will grab someone, have you demonstrate the problem, then break it down in front of you for 10 minutes, then offer 3 or 4 solutions, plus ten answers for questions you didn't ask but should have. Jiu-jitsu computer.
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# ¿ May 11, 2011 20:38 |
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At my old school I trained with a dude covered in Mexican gang tattoos. He was older and probably not an active banger, but he got some bugeyes in the locker room. Nice guy though, very laid back, I'm guessing he's seen, maybe done, some poo poo that keeps bjj matches in perspective.
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# ¿ May 12, 2011 15:47 |
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Haha I see I'm not the only one that avoids talking about my hobby. It kind of sucks because if I was into music or golf or, poo poo, ballroom dancing, it would be easier to deal with than trying to explain bjj and the whole martial arts scene.kimbo305 posted:if it is only by contact and anywhere on the body: then I think an FMA/dog bro. guy with long sticks would be the best since they can swing those fuckers about 10 times a second and have two hands to use. I could see a fencer doing well too, because they can lunge like 2 body lengths extremely quickly, which would be hard to defend. Kendo, I think, would be screwed unless you found a way to reward more points for a good slice than a stab or stick hit. On the basis that an opponent may survive a good stick beating, maybe a stabbing or two, but they are drat sure dead if you chop off an arm or split their torso. Xguard86 fucked around with this message at 17:45 on May 16, 2011 |
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quote:If you want practical sword fighting: Although I don't think that goofy "MMA with weapons" scenario was meant to be realistic. It's just too bad gladiator fights can't be brought back. It would probably not be that much more dangerous than football.
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# ¿ May 17, 2011 16:03 |
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Nierbo posted:The Aikido thread is where the action is at the moment. Huh? Link?
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# ¿ May 18, 2011 15:33 |
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Mechafunkzilla posted:There is no martial art where the basics can be "grasped decently" in a short amount of time such that it would actually help you. It's all about internalizing the movements until they become second nature, tons of repetition, and lots and lots of sparring. The only way you can ever really become proficient at any concept or technique is to use it in sparring against a resisting opponent. That's why many martial arts don't work. Anything that claims to teach you actually useful self-defense skills in a few days or weeks and isn't called "how to buy running shoes that fit" is bullshit. Even if the techniques are sound, showing them to people who won't practice them for a few months is just setting them up to get stabbed to death when they try to fight someone instead of run away. I'm putting this in the OP because I think it does a great job of addressing a big misconception. I hate those "women self defense seminars" and "executive defense training" classes for exactly this reason. A few years ago my friend once asked: "why do you still do jiu-jitsu, it's been like 2 years, don't you know everything?". I don't know how to even start answering that. Xguard86 fucked around with this message at 16:38 on May 19, 2011 |
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Just make a sports analogy. If you play basketball for two years and know the mechanics of how to do every type of shot, crossover, and pass, it doesn't mean you've gotten as good as you can get at them, be able to do them consistently in a game, or that you won't pick up new moves and get better as you continue to play. Actually i said basically that after just blank facing him for like 30 seconds out of shock at how weird that question was. Also I, you know, enjoy doing it, so even if I was a some jiu-jitsu jesus that had a BB after 6 months, I would still show up every day. People just make this weird distinction between martial arts, and sports or other hobbies. It's all that eastern mystique crap people have been fed from pop culture, combined with lovely martial artists covering their crappy skills with bullshit.
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# ¿ May 19, 2011 21:06 |
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niethan posted:Does MT really have headbutts?! Muay Thai today is all about the ring and competition rules, but it has historical roots back to more NHB fighting. So, there might technically be headbutts in there, just like how there are throws and wristlocks floating around, but I don't think any MT fighters practice that stuff today.
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# ¿ May 20, 2011 15:33 |
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Smegmatron posted:Any advice on escaping a mount or side control? I'm getting pretty decent at not ending up there in the first place, but once I'm there in pretty much hosed. I've been shown one mount escape that works for me (control an arm and leg on the same side and buck them off) but it's pretty easy to predict and avoid. Advice and videos will help but it sounds like you really just need more mat time to formulate a clearer picture of what is happening and what you can do.
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# ¿ May 20, 2011 22:38 |
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Dead Man's Ham posted:Can anyone let me know if this place seems legit? http://alliancegreenville.com/jiu-jitsu/ They seem 100% legit, assuming they are not just wholesale lying about basically everything. I mentioned in the OP: many legitimate schools are going toward long term contracts because it makes longer term financial planning much easier, and probably makes them more money overall. 120 a month is pretty standard if you can train as many classes as you want. I think the longterm trend is that more legit schools are adopting a more "McDojo" business model because it makes it actually profitable to own an MA school. Not to say that the instruction will be inferior, you'll just see more schools using contracts, offering kid's events, etc. It kind of sucks, but it's also a good thing because it makes "professional martial artist" a legitimate career path for people that don't want to spend their whole lives scraping by for money.
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# ¿ May 25, 2011 15:49 |
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ugh good lord don't just award yourself a belt, it makes you a major tool, even if you are good enough to equal that level. There are a lot of people running around with skills way above their official belt level, for whatever reason. Nothing weird or shameful about that.
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# ¿ May 31, 2011 17:21 |
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yes. I saw the catalog my school orders their kids belts from and there is literally every color you could possibly imagine, combined with every stripe color you could possibly imagine.
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# ¿ May 31, 2011 17:31 |
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a guy from my old school had a camo gi, because it was on sale and he thought it was funny. He wore it to a bjj comp and they almost laughed him out of the room. Then he took gold in his weight and like 2nd or something in absolute. Camo belt is the highest belt.
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# ¿ May 31, 2011 21:53 |
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that earthquake in japan? it was Kano spinning in his grave.
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# ¿ Jun 1, 2011 15:49 |
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swmmrmanshen posted:God forbid someone wears so much as a blue gi inside the kodokan...(I'm pretty sure that's a rule) it is. Personally, I always wear black gis to rebel against my teenage years of always having to wear white, which is an ugly color on me. No true believer judoka, or karateka have challenged me to a duel yet, but I have hopes.
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# ¿ Jun 1, 2011 22:02 |
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Winkle-Daddy posted:I can't decide if that would be badass or terrible. I've often thought it would be cool to have a martial art where one of the higher level tests would be something like you're getting into your car after work and a paneled van pulls up and a couple of people get out with masks on and attempt to kidnap you. I know this is an insanely stupid/dangerous thing to do, but that doesn't stop me from day dreaming. You would also have to swear anyone who's gone through this test to secrecy under penalty of a severe beating or something. my fraternity had an occasional tradition where pledges would be kidnapped and taken somewhere over a weekend to drink beer while the other 40 something kids freak out that he/they is being hazed to death. When I was pledging, I was kind of hoping they would kidnap me, because I had the very same secret wish to try to fight off a kidnapping, but one of the older guys told me one night I was the last one they'd grab because they were afraid I would "UFC out and break someone's arm or something". No fun at all. Xguard86 fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jun 10, 2011 |
# ¿ Jun 10, 2011 21:27 |
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JJJ is such a ridiculous grab bag it comes down almost completely on who is teaching and what they are doing.
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# ¿ Jun 13, 2011 17:27 |
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At both schools I've trained at, bjj kids classes are pretty lose on technique. They teach the kids basic positions along with a fair mix of flashy sweeps that keep the kids interested. At that young age, it's more important to keep short attention spans interested and have them thinking and moving in a bjj mindset, rather than teach them anything specific. If grappling becomes a natural part of their movements, they will pick up stuff incredibly quickly in their teens when they are old enough to understand more.
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# ¿ Jun 14, 2011 16:53 |
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zalmoxes posted:It might seem like a strange complaint, but sometimes I really wish we focused on a particular technique for a couple weeks at a time. Maybe I'm a slow learner, but it takes me a while to understand the nuances in most techniques and just when I feel I'm starting to get somewhere class is over.. see you next time. And next class, we're doing something different. My old school was pretty great about consistency, it was like 4 techniques a week, with 2 days each of the same thing. My instructor there was a very organized neat person and had the best run, most efficient martial arts academy I've ever seen. Sometimes it got boring doing the same drat thing every day, but sometimes I miss that consistency and well structured class.
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# ¿ Jun 15, 2011 16:55 |
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Nierbo posted:Last session I did randori with a guy I call 'the rock' because he's immovable by my hand and he doesn't like to move of his own volition either. He's a blue belt, bout 5'9 and probably about 100kg and can harai goshi me at will. He just holds me away with one arm and we just stand there like idiots for 3 minutes until time is called. I'm exagerrating a bit but I wish he'd move around and let me practice whatever basic white belt thing I'm focusing on that week, it almost like he's in the exact same position at the end of randori as when we started. Its not like I'm going to pose some threat anyway, Assuming you train consistently you will eventually be better than him. Some people just hit this wall where they are good enough to frustrate a white belt, and can do a core of things but can't really do more than that, and never try to expand or refine their games. Sometimes its temporary and they break out of it, and sometimes they are just career blue belts. The lovely thing is that they are usually really really good at whatever they do, so you have to be good enough to either A) not play that game or B) just better at whatever they're trying to do than they are. Both these things take a fair bit of experience and practice. The good news is that these guys are great to practice with because it's almost like you're doing a drill: you know what they're going to do, they do it every time, and they're good at it so you can try a lot of counters and really focus on one thing. Just think to yourself, "if I can learn to deal with John's XXX then I can learn to deal with anyone's XXX."
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# ¿ Jun 16, 2011 16:37 |
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Nierbo posted:Thanks xguard and kolliwog. You're always very helpful. At the risk of sounding lame, I added your replies to my judo journal. that is lame. I know because everyone at the academy calls me a 17 year old girl for writing in my "diary" after classes.
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# ¿ Jun 17, 2011 15:41 |
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I use mine to write down techniques and details I want to remember. I don't use it every day, just when there is something that could really improve my game or a principle or idea I want to remember.
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# ¿ Jun 17, 2011 20:22 |
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02-6611-0142-1 posted:I think everyone respects karate again since Lyoto Machida smashed his way up the UFC ladder. Even if Shogun kind of humiliated him later, Machida showed that there was nothing wrong with the martial art, it was just the lovely way it's usually taught. I mean, he crosstrained a shitload obviously, but he showed that he could stand and strike with boxers and muay thai guys and pick them apart with pure karate. If someone does the same thing with TKD, it'll have my respect too. It's too bad Machida's Dad didn't have a brother so they both could have a million sons and cousins. We could get a local branch of Machida-do in every city.
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# ¿ Jun 20, 2011 16:03 |
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KidDynamite posted:So many years wasted in TKD and Kung Fu because my parents never knew where to find a boxing gym. me too, except for different reasons. My dad wanted me to stay out of boxing because he didn't want me taking blows to the head, and I couldn't wrestle because my uncle wrestled and he knew how bad the weight cutting could be. Bjj was still an underground garage thing but I wish I had been in Judo or Kykokushin karate. Then again at least I went to a decent TKD school that fudged a lot of the contact rules and ended up being more like a Japanese jujitsu/hapkido dojo than anything else. I could have been a ninja. It really wasn't our parent's fault though, hollywood and McDojos did a pretty good job with bullshitting everyone on what martial arts should be. I remember an old "what-if" thread in bullshido had this quote: "What if Kykokushin karate replaced TKD". We could have still worn fancy pajamas and bowed to sensei, but at least everyone would be immune to liver shots and know how to throw a straight punch.
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# ¿ Jun 21, 2011 16:00 |
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aendarasi posted:p.s. I could write up a wushu section for the thread, I'm pretty new at it at only one year of training, but I have a decent handle on the basics. Is there any interest? I will edit it into the styles section.
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# ¿ Jun 22, 2011 16:52 |
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Also, remember that competition makes people dumb and white belts make people dumber. Don't put yourself in a position to get slammed or dislocate your shoulder posting an arm because you refuse to accept that you're getting taken down. Have fun and don't take it too seriously, unless you win gold: then it is basically the most important thing ever to happen on earth and several thousand miles of space.
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# ¿ Jun 23, 2011 20:32 |
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My instructor's old friend and his brother just moved here from NY, and I found out they know capoeria. I'm now dead set on convincing them to teach it after normal class. I want to spin and carwheel and dance damnit.
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# ¿ Jun 27, 2011 16:22 |
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the outside of your knuckle (the non-palm side) is getting rubbed raw? How are you gripping to do that? It's hard to keep any kind of covering on your hand, the only reliable way I've seen is to bandage it and then basically tape it like you're a boxer. Alternatively, you can put a workout/biking glove on over your hand and then tape it at the wrist to secure it.
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# ¿ Jun 28, 2011 21:24 |
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# ¿ May 16, 2024 02:12 |
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mindtwist posted:I think it mostly comes from the collars. I use like a pistol grip and if I've got a handful of gi then the outside of my fingers, from the nails to the first knuckle, rub up on that coarse, crosshatched texture of the jackets. I have pretty long, spidery fingers so that may play a part in it as well Sounds like you're not gripping 100% right, there shouldn't be enough movement, skin sliding on textile, for the material to hurt you when you've got a collar grip. Are you taking a pistol grip on their collar, or do you mean the sleeve? It's really hard to describe good gripping form on the internet. You pretty much have to find someone to physically show you to figure it out. Basically you kind of fold the material around your fingers and then press your fingertips into your palm, securing the collar. It's very tight and hard to release, but doesn't rub your fingers numb and lets you hold very tight for a long time without burning out your hand muscles.
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# ¿ Jun 28, 2011 21:45 |