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Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
Hello and Welcome to the SomethingAwful.com Ask/Tell Martial Arts thread. This thread is for people curious about starting a martial art, as well as general MA discussion. The last thread was over 350 pages, so we decided to start a new post.

Why Should I, a Goon, enroll in a martial art?

r.y.f.s.o. posted:

I was a bit of a tubbo, 6'0" and 215, but I was definitely lacking in anything resembling muscle from years of lifting nothing heavier than a notebook and my fingers to type on it. I got sick of feeling like a wet noodle constantly and chose BJJ / Muay Thai in the hope it would beat the fear and fat out of me, and it did.

Fontoyn posted:

Also, pump yourself up. poo poo like: "this motherfucker can't do poo poo to my butt" relaxes and psyches me up.

You don't have to be strong or fast or tough to start a martial art. Actually, starting one will make you stronger faster and tougher than you probably thought possible. Read this OP, read the thread and get going!

The Rules
1. Don't be an rear end in a top hat. This includes, but is not limited to: making GBS threads on someone's style/training/school/instructor just for the sake of doing so, or attacking another poster on a personal level. It is possible for reasonable, adult human beings to disagree with each other, and discuss the merits of an aspect of MA (for the greater benefit of everyone) without it becoming a shitfest. So if you're taking something personally, stay out of the thread.

Shitfests get bad here because we all are aggressive people, if you find yourself in a heated discussion, take a second to relax and consider that you are typing on the internet.

2. A style of Martial Arts in the modern day is simply a commercial brand, don't put any more stock into it than you would your Nike shoes or iPod MP3 player. Always base your decision on what you want to do with your time.

If you like punching people in the face (and don't mind getting punched in return), there are "styles" for this. If you like wrestling around, there are styles for that. Pretty much anything you want to do that revolves around fighting, even avoiding fighting completely can be found within the Martial Arts.

Martial Arts is a broad discipline; it exists in many forms and there are many paths from which to chose. These include Self Defense arts (Krav Maga, RBSD styles), Combat Sports (MMA, Kickboxing, Submission Grappling), Performance/Demonstration styles (XMA, Wushu), Historical arts (Iaido, Kendo), and much more.

3)Take the time to read up on things a bit before you ask questions that could be answered by going to Wikipedia. The info will go a long way towards helping you find what's right for you.

4)Keep the following rule in mind: Individual > Training Method > Style. No matter what you do, if you are not training hard, in the way that most fits your goal, the name over your gym's door does not do any good.

4. Really, Don't be an rear end in a top hat

I am new to martial arts, what should I do?

First, read this quote on Martial Arts for Self Defense:

Mechafunkzilla posted:

There is no martial art where the basics can be "grasped decently" in a short amount of time such that it would actually help you. It's all about internalizing the movements until they become second nature, tons of repetition, and lots and lots of sparring. The only way you can ever really become proficient at any concept or technique is to use it in sparring against a resisting opponent. That's why many martial arts don't work. Anything that claims to teach you actually useful self-defense skills in a few days or weeks and isn't called "how to buy running shoes that fit" is bullshit. Even if the techniques are sound, showing them to people who won't practice them for a few months is just setting them up to get stabbed to death when they try to fight someone instead of run away.

It is important to realize that a "6 week executive self defense course" or "woman's defense seminar" is, at best, useless. You should consider a martial art as a longterm hobby, like cooking, playing basketball, or learning to knit.

Second:
Knowing how to fight and knowing self defense are not the same thing. They are in fact, often completely opposite goals: fighting is about winning, self defense about surviving.

The number 1 self defense technique is: don't get into bad situations.

quote:

My friend got jumped by three people outside a strip club at 3 am. He just got a few bruises but he asked what I would have done, as a martial artist. I told him: I wouldn't hang out in a strip club parking lot at 3 am!

You can use martial arts as part of self defense, but only as a part not a whole for example:

You do Muay thai: You can knee a guy in the stomach and run away

You do Bjj: You use your guard to recover from a blindside tackle and run away

Notice how both scenarios don't end with a KO or submission, they end with getting the hell out of there.

This is a nice article on realistic self defense:
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-truth-about-violence

Third

Dont Wait to Start! Gyms will train anyone that can shuffle through their door, they won't judge or turn you away. There are a lot of stone cold bad asses that started super out of shape. You don't need to workout 6 weeks or do anything to prepare, just show up and do what you can as much as you can!

:siren:
Do not try to Teach Yourself a Martial Art. DVDs, The internet, and Books will not teach you what you need to know and will lead to bad habits at best and injuries at worst. Find a teacher, Youtube-jitsu does not work.

Imagine your diet:
Books, Videos, and Media are supplements, the gym is what you are actually eating. No one can survive only on supplements, no matter how many gel caps they cram down in a day.

Now That we have our big warnings out of the way, I will divide the recommendation section by general category. These are generalizations, and like all generalizations, will leave out exceptions. Please remember that these are all generalizations and you might find a school of XXX that is not like what you read here.

I highly recommend linking the website for any school you are interested in here, the collective MA knowledge is staggering and someone will have advice for you.

Practical
Often Competition oriented, these styles feature full contact, live sparring and generally hold "does it work?" above any other factor.

If you want useful you should stick to: Bjj, Muay Thai, Judo, kickboxing/boxing, kyokushin karate. You might find a gym doing a practical form of,say, Kung Fu, but it's just better odds that those styles will give you skills you can apply to a real life resisting human being of your size/strength.

*Olympic Tae Kwon Do is also a competitive sporting style, but its ruleset encourages techniques that are less practical in a generic no-rule, or MMA situation. Still a cool sport and tell Anthony Pettis TKD is useless.

*If you are school-aged, and your school has a wrestling team, consider joining it. Wrestling is a highly effective martial art. I do not include it here because it's hard to find independent wrestling schools or clubs once you are out of school.

First thing you should break down is whether you would rather strike or grapple. Second, find the best place and teacher for what you want to do. Third, if you have multiple options, take the style you are most interested in doing.

Striking Styles, in no particular order:
Muay Thai
Boxing
Kickboxing
Kyokushin Karate
Savate
San Shou

Grappling Styles:
Judo
Brazilian jiu-jitsu
Sambo
Submission Wrestling (aka catch wrestling)

Summary:
1)Decide if you want to hit or hug.
2) Find the best teacher/gym for whichever you prefer.
3) If you have equal teaching options, go with the style you are most interested in.

I say teacher before style because who you are training with is a much bigger deal than what you are training, assuming you stick to the MA styles named above. If you've got an Olympic level Judo gym down the block, it's sort of foolish to train with a blue belt in bjj because you insist on doing jiu-jitsu.

Performance
These styles are generally less interested in applying techniques against resisting opponents and more about personal development: physical and mental

Styles Include: Kung Fu, Most forms of Karate, Tai Chi, Wushu, Wing Chun, Aikido, Iado.

The Advice for finding a school here is pretty similar to practical styles. Find a good teacher, accredited by whatever body sanctions the art. Make sure the facilities are decent, the students seem comfortable and enthusiastic. Judge it the same way you would a book club, aerobic class, cooking course, any other activity.

Weapon

Because it's not 1645, most weapon arts are more about tradition and personal practice than practical application. If you are interested in a sporting weapon application, check out Kendo and Fencing. If you want practical use of sticks and knives, the best you will find is in a FMA (filipino martial art). If you want to do cool stuff with different sharp things, check out wushu or (ugh)XMA. You might also want to consider "european martial arts" which is basically people using old manuals to reconstruct traditional european methods of fighting, both armed and unarmed.

If you want practical sword fighting: :frogout:

What to Avoid
There are some things you really just want to avoid, no matter what you're looking for in a style. Now, please remember these are just things that should make you question the gym and really consider if you want to join, not hard/fast rules. Still, these negatives usually come in groups, so I doubt you will more than one of these warning signs at a legit school.

1) No free introductory lesson or "try before you buy option". Any legitimate school should be perfectly happy to have someone drop by and check out the atmosphere, as well as offer some form of introductory class.

I also warn you against long term contracts, especially if the school does not offer any month to month option. 3month/6month/1year contracts have become more popular, even among legit schools, because it gives the gym owner an assured income over a set period of time, rather than having to recalculate and sweat revenue every 4 weeks. Still, they should accommodate you if you only want to pay month to month.

2) Long term contracts and high pressure sales. if you feel like you're talking to a used car salesman, look for the door.

3) Ridiculous rankings: Yes you might be lucky enough to live close to a 7th dan, but if google does not turn up 5 pages featuring their name, it's probably bogus. Anyone claiming to have multiple high level black belts or any level of black belt over 3 or 4 should merit close scrutiny.

Remember, anyone can get a black belt http://www.amazon.com/Shihan-Karate-Belt-BLACK-300cm/dp/B003EH3MHE/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1304439407&sr=8-9

4) Insane claims: Spirit Magic Chi bombs, one touch KO power, death touches, bullet dodging. There is a reason you don't see anyone, ever, doing these things outside of their carefully constructed environment/scenario. They are a fantasy. If you want to learn this stuff, go here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref...&qid=1304360469

5) Ninjitsu: This was never a style, it is dubious if ninjas even actually existed as organized groups. Anyone claiming a ninjitsu lineage is either making it up, or buying into someone who is making it up. There is room for almost everyone in martial arts, but these schools are so bad, and so shady, that I will universally recommend avoiding them.

Finally, you may want to take a look at Bullshido's review forum to see if anyone has already been to the school(s) you're interested in attending. They've also expanded to review everything remotely martial arts related, so if you're curious about a DVD instructional or (god help you) energy drinks take a look

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=50

Styles
Krav Maga
Real "krav maga" is military combatives much the same as any other military combatives taught to any other army in the world, a short course of "stab him with your bayonet if you have no other options like shooting him"

- What is taught in the US as krav maga has precisely no quality control over what's taught, because anyone can open a gym and call it krav maga

- There is a 99:1 crap:ok ratio and neckdeep bullshit

- What is taught is never tested in competition. Real, full-speed competition is an essential part of becoming competent at fighting, for conditioning against the adrenaline, developing skills of timing etc, and testing effectiveness of techniques. Krav Doesn't Have This. It has fat guys in combat pants doing Jason Bourne cosplay. How do you know how good you are at fighting if you've never had a fight?

- You are taught striking by people who have never trained striking properly as part of a real striking art. Watch some krav videos. It's all stupid bullshit like I've linked, or bad kickboxing. Tip: Skip the bad kickboxing taught by a guy who did a 1-week army combatives course, and do real good kickboxing taught by a guy who has been a real fighter and trains real fighters

- Mostly there's no grappling or it's terrible

- It has a focus on REAL WORLD SELF DEFENCE when the preferred real world self defence technique is not getting in a fight in the first place, and if you do, then having the skills from an actual proper fighting art like boxing, muay thai, etc will serve you much better than trying to chop people in the side of the neck to knock them out

- Almost all the techniques taught (except the bad kickboxing) assume an untrained opponent, and will not work on a trained opponent, ie throat punches, terrible takedowns, eye pokes, groin kicks, etc, whereas in actual fighting sports you learn things that work against other trained people as well as your average guy



There is no reason to do it. Why are you so set on it?


If you are set on learning some sort of fighting for the vanishingly unlikely scenario that you'll actually need to use it for self defence it takes a lot of actual hard work and dedication to become competent, and it's best to cross train a striking and a grappling art. Do BJJ because hugging dudes in pyjamas is really fun.
Muay Thai Fight Videos!

Art of the 8 limbs blah blah watch these and ong bak and go chop down a tree with low kicks

Guilty posted:

Went through my post history to watch some good fights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQvvVowW2HA&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&list=UUpFNovPlkKcXRJcUQGfUhqg&v=LczXRTlh__0#t=114s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL_jBxmQ3t4&t=6m15s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QUy0p_j1wtE

Two Parter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z95oLaR36DM&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evc3JnGZ8PU&feature=related

This is probably the one you're going to want to watch the most, one of the best fights, brain vs. brawn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fobuj8J-vZA&feature=player_embedded

This fight gets so technical, they don't even fight!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLDL_1L8F9s&feature=youtu.be
edit: I think my favorite part is when Thepsuthin fakes a teep, Antuan fakes a grab, Thepsuthin sees the fake, tries for a real teep, sees he's not going to make it, keeps the fake up, Antuan makes the grab, Thepsuthin knows this will happen, and pulls back before Antuan can score any points. It's like they're both psychic

Sitmonchai highlight reel. Muay Thai's "boxing pro" (still no boxer)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fec32bOLvLw&feature=youtu.be


Aikido

Internetjack posted:

A few comments on Aikido; I trained in it for four years back in my college days. It was one of the best things I ever did for myself.

I like how Aikido was classified in the OP, a performance discipline.

In four years, training 2-3 days a week, I never learned to be an rear end-kicking machine; nor did I ever want to be one.
What I did learn though was more of a philosophy, a way of being and walking through life. There was plenty of cool poo poo and exercise too.

What I learned was breathing, walking, being calm in mind and body, relaxing, and facing conflict with love in your heart. These were lessons I could take off the mat, into my every day life. These are lessons that have served me in work, friendships, and confrontations for the last 16 years. That is why I love Aikido. I still do my turning exercises in the living room to this day.

The best advice I can offer anyone that is looking to pursue a martial art, is to be humble. Subject yourself sincerely to what the teacher and school is offering. Don't judge, don't critique. It may take years for the lessons to make sense. If you're not comfortable with what you are submitting to, then maybe it is not the school or discipline that is appropriate for you. Feel free to shop around. There are lots of arts, schools, and teachers out there. Find one that suits what you are looking for.

mewse posted:

Boxing

Most people don't know poo poo about boxing.
  • In this thread, you can ask any general questions about boxing and how it compares to the other martial arts. There is a lot of equipment shared between boxing and other striking disciplines, so asking "are these gloves crappy?" in this thread is perfectly fine.
  • W&W has a boxing training thread where you can discuss training boxing specifically. It gets less traffic than this thread but boxing culture can be a bit different sometimes.
  • The boxing thread in the punchsport pagoda is where you'll go if you'd like to discuss fights as a spectator rather than a participant.

Sambo

quote:


Here's a Sambo write-up, shamelessly copied and pasted (and edited) from my school's website:

quote:
An acronym for “SAMozashchita Bez Oruzhiya” or “Self-defense without weapons”, Sambo is a form of sport, self-defense, and combat established in the former Soviet Union during the early twentieth century. Under the leadership of Sambo’s forefathers V.S. Oshchepkov, V.A. Spiridinov, and A. A. Kharlampiev, indigenous fighting styles from regions including Japan, China, Mongolia, India, Africa, Europe, North America, Caucasus, and Russia were studied and blended into what is now known as Sambo. After generations of civilian and military refinement, Sambo has evolved into an extremely formidable fighting art with principles applicable to martial artists of any style. Sambo’s arsenal includes, but is not limited to, strikes, joint locks, chokes, throws, ground fighting, and weapons. Like all fighting systems, Sambo continues to grow and evolve in both its sport and combat variants.

Sambo’s effectiveness lies in the student’s ability to master and flow with his or her own natural body movements. Inasmuch, Sambo training begins with an examination of one’s instinctive approaches to movement. Once the student begins to move freely and comfortably, alone and in tandem with other students, techniques are taught that synchronize with the student’s innate movement style and individual preferences. In Sambo training of this kind, techniques evolve out of and generate their power from fluid, confident, and comfortable understanding of physical movement and energy manipulation. Standardized technique is secondary to improvisational movement.

This is not to say that strength, power, and technique do not play a role in Sambo. Quite the opposite, refined technique, power, and strategy are integral to Sambo’s effectiveness. As students progress, they begin to negotiate an individual balance between strength and movement - fortifying devastating strikes, throws, and combative techniques. In essence, every practitioner practices a system of Sambo unique to his or her self. Unlike most other martial arts, Sambo does not practice standardized kata, forms, or curriculum.

Sambo practiced as a sport comes in several different flavors. Sport sambo in Russia is most similar to Judo, with an emphasis on throws and pins, and very limited time on the ground to finish submissions. There is also "combat sambo" the sport -- distinct from combat sambo, which is essentially military combatives meant for practical self-defense -- which is like a hybrid of regular sport sambo and mixed martial arts, where there is still scoring from takedowns and pins, but with the addition of punches, kicks, and knees.

In the US, many schools (particularly members of the American Sambo Association) compete in "freestyle sambo" which is a modified ruleset for sport sambo in which more emphasis is placed on the grappling aspect of sambo, and there is more time spent on the ground after a takedown.

An important distinction between sambo and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is that sambo generally spends more time learning and practicing leglocks and less time on the guard, due to the pinning rules and limited grappling time (conversely, because you can't reap the leg during leg control in BJJ and because beginners usually don't learn leglocks at all, leglocks get less attention). This isn't to say that any given sambo/BJJ practitioner or school won't be great at one or the other, though.





Other SomethingAwful links
Grappling thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3386441&pagenumber=24#lastpost
MMA Fan subforum: http://forums.somethingawful.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=177

External Martial Arts link:

Bullshido: http://www.bullshido.net/

Bullshido can be a little crude and I'm pretty sure a lot of their forum posters are overweight 13 year olds but they host honest discussions on martial arts and do god's work in spotlighting really lovely martial art schools and people.

It's also run by an SA goon, the whole place has a vaguely somethingawful feel. Check out their newbietown section to ask questions without fear of being trolled. The advanced Striking/grappling forums are also pretty good.

I would provide links to other good martial arts forums and websites, if they existed.

Xguard86 fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Jun 22, 2013

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Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
Various Martial Art Descriptions and A big old post on Conditioning

Thoguh posted:

How is this for a Judo write-up? Any suggestions for changes to the format or the content?

Judo


What is Judo?
Judo was founded in 1882 by Jigoro Kano, who had studied with several Juijitsu schools and wanted to create a system that could be practiced at full speed and intensity, as well as avoiding the secretive nature of traditional Juijitsu schools. In more modern times, Judo has been an Olympic sport since 1964 and is practiced in practically every country around the world.

Judo matches generally range from 3-5 minutes depending on the level of the competitors. The goal of the match is to win by Ippon, which can be obtained in one of three ways. A competitor can throw his or her opponent flat onto their back, force them to submit via a choke or arm-bar, or pin their opponent to the mat for 25 seconds. Lesser scores of Wazari and Yuko can also be scored for throws that don’t quite put the opponent flat onto their back, or for pins that are held between 15-24 seconds.

A Judo practice will generally be around an hour and a half and will consist of a 15-20 minute warm-up followed by around 45 minutes to an hour of instruction and ending with 15-30 minutes of live sparring, called Randori. The split between standing techniques and matwork will vary by club. Some clubs train almost exclusively standup and others will be 50/50 between standup and matwork. The average is probably around 80% standup, 20% matwork.

Anything you could ever possibly want to know about Judo you can also find at Judoinfo



Why do Judo?
Judo is a complete grappling art that will allow you to train both stand up and matwork techniques. Due to the wide variety of techniques available, Judo is a great choice for anyone regardless of body type. Judo is also an art that you can train and compete at any level. Whether you're a completely out of shape goon who just wants to get out of his parent's basement or a former elite college wrestler, there are opportunities available for you to work out with and fight against people with similar goals.



How do I get into Judo?
Basically, just find a local club and show up. Everyone is happy to have new white belts. You'll eventually need to purchase a Judogi (a decent single weave will probably run you $50-$70), but for your first practice shorts and a sweatshirt is usually fine. Many clubs also have spare Judogis that they will lend out to beginners.

Judo is governed worldwide by the International Judo Federation (IJF) and each country has its own affiliate organization. In the United States this is USA Judo (USJI). USA Judo maintains a list of all affiliated clubs here. The US Judo Federation (USJF) and the US Judo Association (USJA) are secondary IJF affiliates in the US. So if you find a club that is not listed in the link above but is affiliated with one of the other two organizations, it is still legitimate. There are politics involved between the three, but from a non-elite athlete's perspective they are all pretty much the same.

Judo tends to be one of the cheapest martial arts to join because for the most part the instructors are part time and either run the club as part of a community organization like a YMCA or by renting mat time at a local gym. Because they don't have a profit motive they are able to charge just enough to cover expenses and keep costs low for the students.


Even Putin does Judo.

Brazilian Jiu-jitsu

Smegmatron posted:

I made a BJJ post. Tell me if I got anything drastically wrong. Also if anybody can find an image of a rear naked choke that doesn't involve MMA fighters, post it and I'll put it in. I spent ages looking and all I could find was lots of really bad tattoos.

Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu (a.k.a BJJ, Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, GJJ)



What is Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu?
Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu (BJJ) is a grappling art derived from judo with a stronger focus on ground fighting techniques. Originally brought to Brazil by a Japanese migrant, the Japanese art was modified by Gastao's youngest son Helio to suit his small, weak frame. Helio modified the art to minimize the amount of strength and agility required to succeed by exploiting superior leverage and positioning instead. Helio's art became known as Gracie Jiu-jitsu or Brazillian Jiu-jitsu. BJJ has become the basis for the hand to hand combat cirriculum of many military and law enforcement units as well as a cornerstone of most mixed martial arts fighters' skillsets.

The artform focuses on gaining a positional advantage over an opponent and then if necessary, applying a submission technique to incapacitate them. These techniques generally take them form of either a joint manipulation or a choke and can be applied from many different positions if the opportunity arises. BJJ's cirriculum also includes techniques for defending yourself when you're in an unfovourable position as well as techniques to escape these situations. This, coupled with the BJJ's focus on technique over athleticism means that the art is suitable for people of all shapes, sizes and levels of fitness. Women frequently train in the same classes as men (although compete separately) and have little trouble in doing so. Please note that "all shapes and sizes and levels of fitness" is a generalisation and 500lb hambeasts should probably consult a doctor, not a BJJ instructor.

Unlike judo, competitive BJJ matches only end when a competitor submits, passes out, gets disqualified or time runs out. Depending on who is running a tournament and who is participating, a BJJ match will generally last between 3 and 10 minutes. In the event of time running out, the winner is decided on points awarded during the match for manouvers such as passing through an opponent's defensive posture, taking an opponent to the ground, mounting an opponent or securing a position behind the opponent. For a full list of competitive BJJ rules and regulations consult the IBJJF website.



Why should I do BJJ?
Because it's fun. BJJ is also a great way to improve your fitness while doing something interesting and mentally engaing. Nobody is going to tell you that BJJ is as good at building muscle as picking heavy things up and putting them down again or as good at developing cardio as interval training, but it's certainly a lot more fun which in turn means you're probably going to stick with it. If you're a 5' waif of a girl (or on the edge of male and female), there are BJJ techniques for you. If you're 6'10" and so muscular (or fat) that you look like a sock stuffed with walnuts, there are BJJ techniques for you. If you want to defend yourself from potential threats or surprise attacks, BJJ has techniques for you. If you're under 16, there are junior classes you can attend until you're old enough to join the adults.



This looks rough. Am I going to get hurt?
Probably. You'll definitely have some sore muscles for the first few weeks or maybe even months of training. The worst injury you'll encounter under normal circumstances will be something in the order of a dislocated toe. It isn't uncommon for a pinkie toe to drag on the mat and pop out, but tape and ice packs fix everything. While the techniques are designed to dislocate or break joints and put people to sleep, this doesn't happen in training. It's your responsibility to tell your partner that you've had enough by tapping before you get injured and it's your partner's responsibility to respect that and let go as soon as you tap. As long as you're training in a decent school, you won't get end up with any severe injuries.

I want in. What do I need to know?
You can train with or without a gi and lots of people do both. To train with a gi you obviously need a gi and it will run you anywhere from $50 up to several hundred dollars. BJJ gis should be double-weave due to the fact that they're constantly being tugged, pulled, grabbed and wrapped around people's necks. Speak to your instructor when you get started and see what they recommend. Feel free to double check that advice with folks in the thread. If you're training without a gi, you just need a rash guard and a pair of board shorts or something similar. Again consult your instructor and see what they would prefer you to wear to their sessions. Some schools sell their own rash guards as part of their standard uniform.

The to get started is to check out schools in your area by calling them and inquiring as to whether or not they do free sessions for people who are looking to get started. If they do, go along and participate and see how you like it. Don't feel any obligation to sign up with them because they gave you a trial session. Check out each of the training centers in your area and see which one you feel most comfortable with. If for some reason they don't do introductory lessons, they're probably not worth your time anyway. BJJ will generally be more expensive than judo unless you're training with a college sports club or some other subsidized organisation, but it's not something that should be prohibitively expensive. Prices vary between regions and trainers, but as a baseline, something in the order of $35-$55 per week for group sessions is what you should be budgeting for.

The Gracie Academy website has a directory of some of the schools in the US and internationally as well as their pricing to give you an idea of what people are charging in your area. If you're not sure if a school you're thinking of training with is up to par, post a link in the thread and get some recommendations for good schools in your area.

If you've just started BJJ or you're looking for a more technical, in-depth explanation of BJJ's fundamentals, Stephan Kesting's Beginning BJJ is an awesome place to start.


Even people in their 90s can do BJJ!



Lt. Shiny-sides posted:

:siren::siren:Effort Post Incoming!!!:siren::siren:

I haven't included references, if you want them just ask.

A Shiny Guide to Conditioning

Here is the framework of what I do with my guys. I’m by no means an expert when it comes to physiology (just a meathead S&C coach) so don’t take this as gospel. In fact, I’m planning a major overhaul for the New Year. Once that is done and tested I’ll share my findings. Still, this has been used with Olympians and elite combat sport athletes with good results. This framework can be used by those of you just looking to improve their general fitness without aiming for competition. Just peak as you would for a comp and then take a little less time off before repeating the process.
The vast majority of my plans are altered versions of the blueprint laid out in Joel Jamieson’s book, “Ultimate MMA Conditioning”. I cannot recommend it enough. Probably the best book out there for simple clear conditioning advice. Below is a plan mainly focused on aerobic prep. In my opinion (differing from Jamieson) aerobic conditioning is the most important aspect of combat sports, as after about 30 seconds it is the key energy system used. I do train ATP/PCr and glycolytic pathways as well, but that is for another post.

Periodization

A big mistake that most people make about conditioning is to do one thing all the time for their training. Periodization is the process of splitting training into multiple periods, (get it!) of training each with a different focus. This allows for the improvement of multiple physical attributes over time while reducing the risk of overtraining.
In my experience training and coaching combat sports, I have seen primarily two schools of thought regarding conditioning and neither one follows anything close to intelligent periodization. The most common school of thought I have seen is the “just trash’em” conditioning program (all HIIT all the time). Most of the guys who do this have no idea what they want in themselves/their athletes or how to get those changes to occur. In response to that lack of understanding, they fall back on just working as hard as possible all the time. These are the guys who love the sledge hammers and duelling ropes, and feel that if you aren’t near vomiting you slacked off. Not to say I’m entirely against that kind of stuff, but it has its place which will get to that later. The constant beating that this kind of training produces is part of the reason you have so many injuries in certain camps in MMA. No matter how tough you are, nobody can take that much of a beating forever. Another big issue with just trash’em all HIIT all the time training is that over time your body will get use to the stimulus, and you will see diminishing returns.

The other school of thought is just a variation of the trash’em but instead of trashing the athlete with super high intensity conditioning they just go nuts with volume. These are your old school coaches telling you to run ten miles every day, then bag work for an hour, then sparring. This produces the same over work issues as the high intensity bros, just through too much volume. They also fail to train their athletes/themselves for the specific demands of combat sports, ie. preparing them for high intensity efforts. The one saving grace of the volume trash’em guys is that they tend to build up the volume overtime rather than the go hard out from day one like the high intensity trash’em bros. What both camps fail to understand is that by using a proper periodised plan you can build a safe program, which has room for long term improvement, and is specific to combat sports.

My plan goes from low to high intensity, high to low volume, and most important general to specific to the sport.

The Components

Central Adaptations
These are primarily training methods to improve aerobic capacity (how long can you go) and power (how hard you can go while maintaining in the aerobic zone) through adaptations to primarily the heart and vascular system. When performing this training methods I choose to use more general exercise (bikes, runs, swims, etc.) rather than specific exercises (drills, bag work, etc.) as the higher volume here can tend to lead to overuse injuries. Also the athlete is far enough away from competition that specificity isn’t a high priority.

Low Intensity Stead State (LISS) cardio – This can be anything from running, swimming, or performing a series of sport specific drills at low intensities. The key is to keep your heart rate fairly low, I recommend 140-160 beat per minutes (BPM), and train for long times, 30 to 90 minutes. The biggest benefit that LISS training gives over any other type of aerobic conditioning is that LISS is the only way to produce eccentric cardiac hypertrophy (ECH). ECH is the expansion of the left ventricle of the heart. This allows for the heart to fill with more blood each time it beats. While ECH is great, performing LISS also improves what could be called your general aerobic capacity through a host of other adaptations that I’m not going to get into now.

Tempo Intervals – This can be done on just about cardio machine or through drills just like LISS. Tempo intervals are performed by sprinting at 70-80% of your max speed for about 15 seconds. Then rest about one minute bringing your heart rate down. Repeat this 20 to 30 times. This is a great transition exercise from steady state to intervals. You still get some of the aerobic capacity benefits of LISS but also start transitioning to improving aerobic power production like what is seen in many forms of HIIT.

Vo2Max Intervals – I really prefer to do these on spin bikes as it is very easy to control the intensity. These are 4 intervals of 4 minutes on and 3 minutes off at a heart rate 90 to 95% of max. These guys are brutal but very effective. They provide a slew of benefits to the aerobic system primary of which is concentric cardiac hypertrophy (CCH). CCH is a growth in the thickness of the left ventricle walls. This is caused by high intensity work and allows the heart to eject more blood every time it pumps. These intervals combined with the previous LISS training result in a heart that can fill with more blood (ECH) and then empty it quickly and powerfully (CCH).

Peripheral Adaptations
The primary changes that occur in the muscles and peripheral systems of the body. Allowing for better oxygen use, increased ability to deal with waste products, and increased storage of fuels for performance. At this point I move my athletes to much more specific movements. This is in part because the volume is lower, but also because we want the adaptations to occur in the correct places specific to the sport, and to place demands on them that begin to simulate what they will see in the ring/cage. I tend to use a lot of bag work here, but you can really use anything, including battling ropes, as long as it somewhat simulates the sport.

30/30 Interval – Again I tend to do this either on a heavy bag alternating straight punches and hooks every round or using a kick pad. These are 30 second on 30 second off intervals. The 30 seconds on needs to be maximal throughout, as fast and hard as possible while maintaining technique. The 30 seconds off is a total rest. These are performed 12 times, then rest for 4 to 5 minutes, then do another 12, 30 seconds on 30 seconds off. That makes this a total of 24 minutes of work. Truthfully these guys kind of fall in between central and peripheral adaptation, but I group them in here because of the specificity to the sport.

15/15 Interval – Performed basically the same as the 30/30, these intervals are 15 seconds at max effort and then 15 seconds actively resting. This means that if you are on the bag you are still using good foot work, with hands up, throwing a couple combinations at 60-70% power. 7, 15/15 intervals are performed before a rest of 4 to 5 minutes and then another 7 are performed. Here is where we really into peripheral adaptations through improved lactate threshold of the muscles.

Tabata – Yes, I do use Tabatas with my guys. Mainly because of the time benefit as we near competition. It allows for continued gains and doesn’t take long so they can focus on what is important at that time, the fight. 20 Seconds on 10 seconds for 4 minutes, balls to the wall the whole time.

Putting It Together

Using the concepts of periodization it is pretty easy to use the methods listed to improve conditioning. Following the same order above you can go from high volume to low, low intensity to high, and general to specific. Most of the general adaptations take around six weeks to start occurring while the specific take a little less, around three or four weeks. I find that slow integration between each training modality is best. For example, build up to four LISS sessions a week before transferring to 3 times a week LISS and once a week Tempo, and so on. The general adaptations should be done about four times a week max whereas the peripheral adaptations only need a max of three times a week. The only exception being the Vo2max intervals which shouldn’t be done more than three times a week. Ideally my plan would look something like this:

About eight weeks of LISS building to Tempo, then two weeks to bring in Vo2max intervals, followed by four weeks of them. Transferring into 30/30 intervals for four weeks, 3 weeks of 15/15, and about two weeks of Tabata.
















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Xguard86 fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Feb 4, 2014

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
I C/Ped that Krav Maga into the OP, as well as fixing the links. I'll add as many write ups as people want to write.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

KingColliwog posted:

This thread title from a few pages back in the old thread was better "Ask / Tell: The Martial Arts Thread: I was winning the fight until I died" :colbert:

nice work on the OP

I thought about making it that, but then I thought about how it would sound if you didn't know about the story that preceded the quote.

I C/Ped the aikido quote into the OP because I think it's maybe the best and most honest description of Aikido I've read on the internet. We have that really good bjj writeup in the last thread, but I can't C/P it with all the urls and images intact due to quotes.

Xguard86 fucked around with this message at 15:24 on May 4, 2011

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
added the boxing writeup. Glad everyone is happy with the OP.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Smegmatron posted:

That owns hard but BJJ newbies reading A/T probably aren't the best group to be encouraging into flying armbars. If we're going to do that, I'd put in a gif of Garza's flying triangle at UFC 129.

P.S XGuard put the BJJ writeup in the last thread into the second post in this one. It's probably too long for the first post.

Can you repost it outside quotes? I can't C/P the old one without losing the pictures and url links because I cannot quote a quote (or just tell me how to do that).


Also look again Sucka TKD is in the OP as an asterisk under practical/competitive styles.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

willie_dee posted:

I have a friend (not really a friend, but someone I know) who is convinced that Aikido is the be all and end all in a fight. I have tried showing him MMA/UFC and what not but he has all this bull poo poo about why it doesn't count. Is there a right up any where on how rubbish Aikido really is in the physical combat sense? I know bullshido used to have these great Your Martial Art sucks videos but I can't find an Aikido one.

These people are usually so stuck in their own delusion that you can't really do anything for them, just piss each other off. Ironically, I take a page from the Aikido playbook and just gently parry the issue.

Even if you beat him up, the standard line is: "well aikido has a steep learning curve but once I "get it" in 10 years, you won't be able to touch me". Which, if you apply any logical thought, is insane. There is no other skill on earth where you mystically jump from terrible to mastery, windmills do not work that way. Still, that is what he will claim.

Sorry if I am making GBS threads on any aikidoka, it's not a bad MA but many of the people involved in it are awful or abrasively delusional.

Also, Sambo writeup added, thanks!

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
at this point: basically the same. I'm not an expert so someone else might be able to tell you what is actually different.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
Your armbar is not complete until you can snap a 2x4 with it.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Bohemian Nights posted:

I was in the same situation with my much younger cousins. They are both enrolled in a taekwondo class, and I was very skeptical about the entire thing so I went there to watch at some point. Yes, it was mostly bullshit, yes, I wish they could be tiny little armbar machines instead, but they seemed to be having fun and getting some good exercise, and depending on how old your children are, that might be the most important thing.

Also a camouflage belt sounds loving rad. I would wear a camouflage belt.

the one thing that bothers me about these situations is that every dollar going to these guys is a dollar that could/should be going to a more legitimate school.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Fontoyn posted:

gently caress me, as I go into my gym for the first time in 2 months to get that ranking sheet, I'm greeted by a sign saying:

GEAR SALE, WEDNESDAY: MAY 12TH, 3P.M.-7P.M.

As it turns out, my gym is going under and I can no longer mooch free time in exchange for strength/conditioning for the new kids. Worse still, I apparently own 300+ for months I didn't ever come in to train (and the logs prove it).

So, for the people with more experience than me, how can my gym always be packed to bursting, my coach charge 150+ a month, and we're still somehow hemorrhaging money so bad he's selling off gear?

How much is your rent and your insurance? They can be pretty expensive. Other than that, hate to say it, but do you know he's not dipping into the business for any private spending, IE gambling or anything like that?

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Winkle-Daddy posted:

It really inspires confidence when I have a question and instead of making up some bullshit answer the instructor says "Hey man, let me talk to some people about it and get back to you next class!"

In my old karate days the instructor had sort of a case of "I'm the instructor, I know what's best and I don't care what you were told at this seminar by this guy that outranks me by a whole bunch. It's probably because it's a different flavor of Karate, and not what I teach, so when you're here, you do it my way. Period." Some of the TMAs seem to have a complex around tradition over practicality and there is no way to get an honest answer beyond "because I said so."

One of the many reasons I don't go there anymore!

Nothing is better than my bjj coach who will grab someone, have you demonstrate the problem, then break it down in front of you for 10 minutes, then offer 3 or 4 solutions, plus ten answers for questions you didn't ask but should have.

Jiu-jitsu computer.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
At my old school I trained with a dude covered in Mexican gang tattoos. He was older and probably not an active banger, but he got some bugeyes in the locker room. Nice guy though, very laid back, I'm guessing he's seen, maybe done, some poo poo that keeps bjj matches in perspective.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
Haha I see I'm not the only one that avoids talking about my hobby. It kind of sucks because if I was into music or golf or, poo poo, ballroom dancing, it would be easier to deal with than trying to explain bjj and the whole martial arts scene.

kimbo305 posted:


if it is only by contact and anywhere on the body: then I think an FMA/dog bro. guy with long sticks would be the best since they can swing those fuckers about 10 times a second and have two hands to use.

I could see a fencer doing well too, because they can lunge like 2 body lengths extremely quickly, which would be hard to defend.

Kendo, I think, would be screwed unless you found a way to reward more points for a good slice than a stab or stick hit. On the basis that an opponent may survive a good stick beating, maybe a stabbing or two, but they are drat sure dead if you chop off an arm or split their torso.

Xguard86 fucked around with this message at 17:45 on May 16, 2011

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

quote:

If you want practical sword fighting: :frog:

Although I don't think that goofy "MMA with weapons" scenario was meant to be realistic.

It's just too bad gladiator fights can't be brought back. It would probably not be that much more dangerous than football.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Nierbo posted:

The Aikido thread is where the action is at the moment.

Huh?

Link?

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Mechafunkzilla posted:

There is no martial art where the basics can be "grasped decently" in a short amount of time such that it would actually help you. It's all about internalizing the movements until they become second nature, tons of repetition, and lots and lots of sparring. The only way you can ever really become proficient at any concept or technique is to use it in sparring against a resisting opponent. That's why many martial arts don't work. Anything that claims to teach you actually useful self-defense skills in a few days or weeks and isn't called "how to buy running shoes that fit" is bullshit. Even if the techniques are sound, showing them to people who won't practice them for a few months is just setting them up to get stabbed to death when they try to fight someone instead of run away.

I'm putting this in the OP because I think it does a great job of addressing a big misconception. I hate those "women self defense seminars" and "executive defense training" classes for exactly this reason.

A few years ago my friend once asked: "why do you still do jiu-jitsu, it's been like 2 years, don't you know everything?". I don't know how to even start answering that.

Xguard86 fucked around with this message at 16:38 on May 19, 2011

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Mechafunkzilla posted:

Just make a sports analogy. If you play basketball for two years and know the mechanics of how to do every type of shot, crossover, and pass, it doesn't mean you've gotten as good as you can get at them, be able to do them consistently in a game, or that you won't pick up new moves and get better as you continue to play.

Actually i said basically that after just blank facing him for like 30 seconds out of shock at how weird that question was. Also I, you know, enjoy doing it, so even if I was a some jiu-jitsu jesus that had a BB after 6 months, I would still show up every day.

People just make this weird distinction between martial arts, and sports or other hobbies. It's all that eastern mystique crap people have been fed from pop culture, combined with lovely martial artists covering their crappy skills with bullshit.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

niethan posted:

Does MT really have headbutts?! :staredog:

Muay Thai today is all about the ring and competition rules, but it has historical roots back to more NHB fighting. So, there might technically be headbutts in there, just like how there are throws and wristlocks floating around, but I don't think any MT fighters practice that stuff today.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Smegmatron posted:

Any advice on escaping a mount or side control? I'm getting pretty decent at not ending up there in the first place, but once I'm there in pretty much hosed. I've been shown one mount escape that works for me (control an arm and leg on the same side and buck them off) but it's pretty easy to predict and avoid.

I've been shown how to try and hip escape out of side control if they aren't controlling my head and how to fix that if they are, but I guess I'm either not doing it right or they're seeing it coming and preventing it because I have never once managed to so either of these things during a roll.

Advice and videos will help but it sounds like you really just need more mat time to formulate a clearer picture of what is happening and what you can do.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Dead Man's Ham posted:

Can anyone let me know if this place seems legit? http://alliancegreenville.com/jiu-jitsu/

I tried to check them out last year, but they were very reluctant to let me take any trial classes and I think their shortest contract was either 6 months or a year at like 120 bucks a month. From what I can tell it seems the instruction seems to be good - but im not 100% on their business practices.

They seem 100% legit, assuming they are not just wholesale lying about basically everything.

I mentioned in the OP: many legitimate schools are going toward long term contracts because it makes longer term financial planning much easier, and probably makes them more money overall. 120 a month is pretty standard if you can train as many classes as you want.

I think the longterm trend is that more legit schools are adopting a more "McDojo" business model because it makes it actually profitable to own an MA school. Not to say that the instruction will be inferior, you'll just see more schools using contracts, offering kid's events, etc. It kind of sucks, but it's also a good thing because it makes "professional martial artist" a legitimate career path for people that don't want to spend their whole lives scraping by for money.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
ugh good lord don't just award yourself a belt, it makes you a major tool, even if you are good enough to equal that level.

There are a lot of people running around with skills way above their official belt level, for whatever reason. Nothing weird or shameful about that.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
yes. I saw the catalog my school orders their kids belts from and there is literally every color you could possibly imagine, combined with every stripe color you could possibly imagine.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
a guy from my old school had a camo gi, because it was on sale and he thought it was funny. He wore it to a bjj comp and they almost laughed him out of the room. Then he took gold in his weight and like 2nd or something in absolute.

Camo belt is the highest belt.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
that earthquake in japan? it was Kano spinning in his grave.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

swmmrmanshen posted:

God forbid someone wears so much as a blue gi inside the kodokan...(I'm pretty sure that's a rule)

it is.

Personally, I always wear black gis to rebel against my teenage years of always having to wear white, which is an ugly color on me. No true believer judoka, or karateka have challenged me to a duel yet, but I have hopes.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Winkle-Daddy posted:

I can't decide if that would be badass or terrible. I've often thought it would be cool to have a martial art where one of the higher level tests would be something like you're getting into your car after work and a paneled van pulls up and a couple of people get out with masks on and attempt to kidnap you. I know this is an insanely stupid/dangerous thing to do, but that doesn't stop me from day dreaming. You would also have to swear anyone who's gone through this test to secrecy under penalty of a severe beating or something.

my fraternity had an occasional tradition where pledges would be kidnapped and taken somewhere over a weekend to drink beer while the other 40 something kids freak out that he/they is being hazed to death.

When I was pledging, I was kind of hoping they would kidnap me, because I had the very same secret wish to try to fight off a kidnapping, but one of the older guys told me one night I was the last one they'd grab because they were afraid I would "UFC out and break someone's arm or something". No fun at all.

Xguard86 fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jun 10, 2011

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
JJJ is such a ridiculous grab bag it comes down almost completely on who is teaching and what they are doing.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
At both schools I've trained at, bjj kids classes are pretty lose on technique. They teach the kids basic positions along with a fair mix of flashy sweeps that keep the kids interested.

At that young age, it's more important to keep short attention spans interested and have them thinking and moving in a bjj mindset, rather than teach them anything specific. If grappling becomes a natural part of their movements, they will pick up stuff incredibly quickly in their teens when they are old enough to understand more.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

zalmoxes posted:

It might seem like a strange complaint, but sometimes I really wish we focused on a particular technique for a couple weeks at a time. Maybe I'm a slow learner, but it takes me a while to understand the nuances in most techniques and just when I feel I'm starting to get somewhere class is over.. see you next time. And next class, we're doing something different.

My old school was pretty great about consistency, it was like 4 techniques a week, with 2 days each of the same thing. My instructor there was a very organized neat person and had the best run, most efficient martial arts academy I've ever seen.

Sometimes it got boring doing the same drat thing every day, but sometimes I miss that consistency and well structured class.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Nierbo posted:

Last session I did randori with a guy I call 'the rock' because he's immovable by my hand and he doesn't like to move of his own volition either. He's a blue belt, bout 5'9 and probably about 100kg and can harai goshi me at will. He just holds me away with one arm and we just stand there like idiots for 3 minutes until time is called. I'm exagerrating a bit but I wish he'd move around and let me practice whatever basic white belt thing I'm focusing on that week, it almost like he's in the exact same position at the end of randori as when we started. Its not like I'm going to pose some threat anyway,

Assuming you train consistently you will eventually be better than him. Some people just hit this wall where they are good enough to frustrate a white belt, and can do a core of things but can't really do more than that, and never try to expand or refine their games. Sometimes its temporary and they break out of it, and sometimes they are just career blue belts.

The lovely thing is that they are usually really really good at whatever they do, so you have to be good enough to either A) not play that game or B) just better at whatever they're trying to do than they are. Both these things take a fair bit of experience and practice.

The good news is that these guys are great to practice with because it's almost like you're doing a drill: you know what they're going to do, they do it every time, and they're good at it so you can try a lot of counters and really focus on one thing. Just think to yourself, "if I can learn to deal with John's XXX then I can learn to deal with anyone's XXX."

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Nierbo posted:

Thanks xguard and kolliwog. You're always very helpful. At the risk of sounding lame, I added your replies to my judo journal.

that is lame. I know because everyone at the academy calls me a 17 year old girl for writing in my "diary" after classes.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
I use mine to write down techniques and details I want to remember. I don't use it every day, just when there is something that could really improve my game or a principle or idea I want to remember.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

02-6611-0142-1 posted:

I think everyone respects karate again since Lyoto Machida smashed his way up the UFC ladder. Even if Shogun kind of humiliated him later, Machida showed that there was nothing wrong with the martial art, it was just the lovely way it's usually taught. I mean, he crosstrained a shitload obviously, but he showed that he could stand and strike with boxers and muay thai guys and pick them apart with pure karate. If someone does the same thing with TKD, it'll have my respect too.

It's too bad Machida's Dad didn't have a brother so they both could have a million sons and cousins. We could get a local branch of Machida-do in every city.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

KidDynamite posted:

:smith: So many years wasted in TKD and Kung Fu because my parents never knew where to find a boxing gym.

me too, except for different reasons. My dad wanted me to stay out of boxing because he didn't want me taking blows to the head, and I couldn't wrestle because my uncle wrestled and he knew how bad the weight cutting could be. Bjj was still an underground garage thing but I wish I had been in Judo or Kykokushin karate. Then again at least I went to a decent TKD school that fudged a lot of the contact rules and ended up being more like a Japanese jujitsu/hapkido dojo than anything else. I could have been a ninja.

It really wasn't our parent's fault though, hollywood and McDojos did a pretty good job with bullshitting everyone on what martial arts should be. I remember an old "what-if" thread in bullshido had this quote: "What if Kykokushin karate replaced TKD". We could have still worn fancy pajamas and bowed to sensei, but at least everyone would be immune to liver shots and know how to throw a straight punch.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

aendarasi posted:

p.s. I could write up a wushu section for the thread, I'm pretty new at it at only one year of training, but I have a decent handle on the basics. Is there any interest?

I will edit it into the styles section.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
Also, remember that competition makes people dumb and white belts make people dumber. Don't put yourself in a position to get slammed or dislocate your shoulder posting an arm because you refuse to accept that you're getting taken down.

Have fun and don't take it too seriously, unless you win gold: then it is basically the most important thing ever to happen on earth and several thousand miles of space.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
My instructor's old friend and his brother just moved here from NY, and I found out they know capoeria. I'm now dead set on convincing them to teach it after normal class.

I want to spin and carwheel and dance damnit.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
the outside of your knuckle (the non-palm side) is getting rubbed raw? How are you gripping to do that?

It's hard to keep any kind of covering on your hand, the only reliable way I've seen is to bandage it and then basically tape it like you're a boxer. Alternatively, you can put a workout/biking glove on over your hand and then tape it at the wrist to secure it.

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Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

mindtwist posted:

I think it mostly comes from the collars. I use like a pistol grip and if I've got a handful of gi then the outside of my fingers, from the nails to the first knuckle, rub up on that coarse, crosshatched texture of the jackets. I have pretty long, spidery fingers so that may play a part in it as well

Sounds like you're not gripping 100% right, there shouldn't be enough movement, skin sliding on textile, for the material to hurt you when you've got a collar grip. Are you taking a pistol grip on their collar, or do you mean the sleeve?

It's really hard to describe good gripping form on the internet. You pretty much have to find someone to physically show you to figure it out. Basically you kind of fold the material around your fingers and then press your fingertips into your palm, securing the collar. It's very tight and hard to release, but doesn't rub your fingers numb and lets you hold very tight for a long time without burning out your hand muscles.

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