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swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

Don't mind me. We must protect rapists and misogynists from harm. If they're innocent they must not be named. Surely they'll never harm their sleeping, female patients. Watch me defend this in great detail. I am not a mens rights activist either.

Natalie Portmanteau posted:

How do you know?


Are you loving kidding me. Surgery? :gonk:
No way I'm getting surgery, I can't afford it.

When I went to the physical therapist a while ago it was a bit ambiguous whether it was an anterior or posterior dislocation. However, when I do the thing when you puff your chest out and swing your arms horizontally to the back – once my right arm is about 10 degrees past my side, I can start to feel my shoulder coming out. Ugh.

Edit: My plan was to try to lift a lot and build up the muscles in my shoulder so I can do judo again.

Edit: I just figured out – when my arm swings toward the back, my shoulder WILL dislocate if my palm is facing up. If my palm is down then it feels fine. There’s definitely something hosed up in there.

Yah, I've been told the same thing by my physiotherapist. Dislocated my shoulder twice. It feels pretty solid but I wont be going back to BJJ for a long while. Go see a shoulder specialist, dont be doing this on your own because it WILL pop out again if its not tight enough. Not to mention if it almost pops out like the way you mentioned!

The ligaments in your shoulder once stretched never heal the second dislocation around, so its very likely you'll need surgery with a third one. Sorry buddy, I know, Im in the same boat, it sucks. The surgery is pretty minor, its arthoscopic and its a day procedure. You'll be out 6 months after it but theoretically your shoulder should be back to normal.

A buddy of mine wants to roll sometime in the future when Im ready. He's a judo guy though, curious as to what are some of the weakness and strengths in a non-Judo ruleset style matchup? Starting standing, not from the knees. I imagine I want to keep my base low and avoid his grips to avoid throws, and I guess one advantage will be my single and double leg takedowns. Any other thoughts in terms of strategy against judo? I dont intend this to start a judo vs bjj debate, I just mean in a matchup under non-Judo rules.

swagger like us fucked around with this message at 01:59 on May 10, 2011

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swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

Don't mind me. We must protect rapists and misogynists from harm. If they're innocent they must not be named. Surely they'll never harm their sleeping, female patients. Watch me defend this in great detail. I am not a mens rights activist either.

Natalie Portmanteau posted:

Yeah. It doesn't seem like my shoulder is healing. Maybe surgery is the only option :(

I can't afford it though

poo poo man Im sorry to hear that. Canadian here so my surgery would be free, but it might take like a year wait to get it anyways so Id be out for a good while. Hell it might take a year wait just to see a shoulder specialist! And cause I dont have a family doctor right now, I have to go to a walk in clinic just to get referred.

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

Don't mind me. We must protect rapists and misogynists from harm. If they're innocent they must not be named. Surely they'll never harm their sleeping, female patients. Watch me defend this in great detail. I am not a mens rights activist either.
So, I have some questions on the feasibility of me continuing training. Back in late feb, as I've mentioned before in this thread, I dislocated (anterior) my left shoulder (non dominant). After taking 2 months off (not long enough obviously), I thought I'd go and do some light rolling at a BJJ gi class. During one of the drills (moving out of a triangle attempt into a sort of side control i think), I posted my left arm out overtop my partners body, but at a high enough angle that it popped my shoulder out again. Because the first time I dislocated my shoulder, I landed on it (with my partner ontop of me) chickenwinged (kind of like in a kimura position), I thought as long as I kept my arm tucked in during the roll, and no one attacked it, I should be fine. I didnt realize that I would pop it out by posting my arm out, bad mistake.

Talked to a shoulder specialist and he did a test of it where he compared my left and right shoulders and asked me if I felt there was any fear of dislocation, which there was for my left shoulder when he started to move it further and further behind me. With this, he concluded that I need Bankart lesion repair for my shoulder in order to fully rehab it. He put me on the waitlist for the surgery, which unfortunately, is over a year waitlist here in Canada to do it.

Now, if I was to go ultra conservative on this, what would happen is that I would not do any training for the next year, get my surgery, then I would be in a sling for a month, not be able to do any wait training for 3 months, and then finally be able to do BJJ in 6 months. Once that 6 months is up however, Ill be going away on training (im in the Army Reserves here in Canada) for 4 months. This gives me a grand total of 2 years before I'd be able to train again.

Now, couple this with another issue is that this 4 month course, I will need to be in extremely good shape to do my best in. I worry that a 6 month recovery, with no weight training for 3 of those months might severely hamper my physical fitness to do this course, so that means I may not even be able to opt into this surgery until AFTER this course.

So, I made some posts in other forums and many have suggested simply rolling much more carefully, maybe even one armed holding my belt. While I really can't stand being away from training anymore, I also can't jeopardize getting injured again and losing my ability to stay in shape for my Army courses coming up.

From what the shoulder specialist said, basically any time my arm is up above my shoulder line, and pressure is pushing my shoulder backwards, that is a good chance of dislocation. As well as the aforementioned awkward chickenwinging, those seem to be the only ways I could dislocate it again.

I really need more advice from people who not only know shoulder injuries, BUT also grappling sports as well because I need more info to balance out the chance of injuries and well, training for a sport I love.

I guess my question is exactly how likely is another dislocation if I only do drills, and maybe roll lightly with an instructor or someone I trust only. I mean, accidents happen, so I know I cant ultimately eliminate any risk but still, I love BJJ and MMA training too much to quit for up to 2-3 years for something that seems very basic in terms of injuries. I'm currently back into weight training, sans lifts heavy above my head, and I also do rotator cuff strengthening exercises given to me by a physiotherapist. As well I'm taking chondroitin and glucosamine to strengthen those ligaments there.

swagger like us fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Jul 6, 2011

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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Nierbo posted:

I don't have a solution to your problem, but whoever bought you that avatar text is an rear end in a top hat.

hahaha thats actually really funny, someone gave me that years ago over a comment on a youtube video, nothing to do with my current shoulder issue. Funny how it looks related right now.

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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imtheism posted:

Grappling arts are ridiculously hard on the body. I don't know what to say other than that. I seem to get hurt even when making a conscious effort to roll lightly, so I don't know if that is really an option for you.

What about taking up striking, where there is no pressure in the form you described causing it to pop?

Im worried however with clinching, and especially left hooks and overhand lefts being an issue because they put my shoulder in a pretty vulnerable position (I asked the shoulder specialist and demonstrated the position my arm would be in with a left hook and he said it could be a real risk). We'll see, I've been doing some bag work with basic jab combos and footwork, and maybe Ill get back into light sparring and boxing training, we'll see.

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

Don't mind me. We must protect rapists and misogynists from harm. If they're innocent they must not be named. Surely they'll never harm their sleeping, female patients. Watch me defend this in great detail. I am not a mens rights activist either.
You know what the biggest gently caress you right now is? I somehow now have impetigo on my face most likely caused by staph after 4 months since the last time i grappled. gently caress me, after training in martial arts since I was 12, and BJJ for about a year, I finally go ahead and catch it 4 months into my up to 2 year hiatus. Great loving luck. Hopefully the prescription i got will clear it up.

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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zalmoxes posted:

Let's not have a long argument about aikido effectiveness in MMA, because that's not going to get us anywhere. Personally I think aikido is effective, but the type of people who go to fight in MMA are not very likely to have chosen to train in aikido for various reasons.

TMA and aikido and all these others who argue about effectiveness always bring this up. Please provide concrete examples of why aikido is not being used in MMA for any other reason than it is not effective. I can't see any. All the rules in MMA seem to allow for aikido style moves, so what gives then?

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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Nierbo posted:

Seems that way. I guess if they were all wearing gis he would have had the implied legal immunity that the rest of us enjoy.

I remember when I was checking out crosstraining with judo the first day one of the black belts explained to me that Judo is the only martial art in Canada that has legal immunity in terms of fighting or whatever, and that bowing is a legal sign of consent to that. Every other MA or whatever does not have that legal immunity apparently :rolleyes:. I have nothing but respect for Judo and I would love to continue crosstraining in it but he really gave me a poor impression, not to mention his demo of why Judo doesn't really use punching*, which involved me threw a slow right cross and him grabbing/catching the sleeve of my gi underneath and pushing it up. Sigh, I didnt ask why Judo didnt use punching, you dont have to give me a really dumb demo.

*I know Judo uses some lovely karate style punching at black belt but I mean, its still a grappling/throwing martial art.

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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Nierbo posted:

But does it protect the club or the judo players that train there?
Any news on your shoulder by the way?

Got put on the waitlist for surgery, which is a year long. I dislocated it a third time by cannonballing into a backyard swimming pool (guess I didnt tuck my arms in enough). Im still debating in my mind whether or not to train because if I continue to dislocate and injure it, it could effect my career in the military (im a student and an infantry reservist). I may consider going back to some gi only BJJ classes just to do technique and train light, we'll see. Its a bit disheartening for it to pop out by just jumping into a pool so it worries me.

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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Warning to everyone here that ever dislocates their shoulder. Wait the goddamn 3-6 months before going back, believe me, the second dislocation is not a Rubicon you want to cross because there's no turning back till surgery. One dislocation is fine, but the second one usually leads to more.

Dislocated my shoulder, went back way too soon, dislocated it a second time at BJJ.

The third time I dislocated it by jumping in a pool.

Ten minutes ago? Dislocated by having a nap, with my hands behind my head lying on my back. That was enough to dislocate it, then having to spend an excruciating 15 minutes first getting up, with my grandma helping me, then googling the self-reduction method, till I could finally slide it back in on my own.

loving listen to your doctors and physiotherapists. You may think, oh, they dont know BJJ or MMA or whatever, so they're just being cautious. Or you think, oh I understand how I did it last time, I just will avoid putting my arm in that position. No, its not worth it. I have to wait for over a year for surgery, which will then take me another 6 months of recovery.

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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So I've been out of training now for about 6 months, and its been 3 months since my last of four shoulder dislocations (first time in late february, second very shortly after in april, both to BJJ, third from cannonball jumping into a pool in july, fourth from falling asleep with my hands behind my head in august) and I'm getting incredibly antsy.

I talked to my shoulder specialist and he said that I need to avoid BJJ altogether pretty much until I get my surgery (which is next loving September because of the waitlist here in Canada), I also asked him about boxing/kickboxing and he said that too is worrisome because of the vulnerable position my arm gets in with lead hooks. So, I have to wait till surgery next September, and then 6 months of recovery before I am to my full recovery potential to train again. So I wont be training till March/April of 2013 at this rate.

I've considered going to some kickboxing classes and only to do the drills and bagwork, avoiding sparring, or only sparring lightly. Early on after my injury I did some bag work for awhile and it felt good, I didnt feel any vulnerability or chance of injury.

I've been wanting to go to BJJ classes just to watch and maybe do slow technique work, but quite honestly its hard to do this because first, its expensive to pay just to watch and maybe do some technique (which I really shouldnt do anyways cause the second time I popped it out was spinning and post out of a technique). As well I've considered rolling one handed but I doubt I'll get much out of it because Im only a two striped white belt, I figured if I was a purple or blue belt I could do that because I have enough technique behind me, but not at this stage. Finally, its just disheartening to have to sit at the sidelines and watch.

I also miss the intense cardio I got from striking/kickboxing classes at my MMA school. I havent been doing enough cardio lately so I would love to get back into that.

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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I got the best call of my life the other day. So my scheduled surgery for September 2012 got bumped up to, guess what, tomorrow! Someone dropped out of their spot so I'm in!

6-7 months from now I'll be training BJJ again and Im so loving stoked! Thanks to everyone for their advice and words of encouragement, this last 10 months or so of injury has sucked harsh.

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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KidDynamite posted:

Good poo poo. From your custom title I'm guessing it's your shoulder. The surgery is cake walk. The month of being in a sling not so much. The 2 months of physical therapy eh just do it and do it as best you can. I'm back at 100% after 3 months to the day actually. Good luck!

It is my shoulder, unfortunately my red title has nothing to do with my injury and is kind of an odd coincidence, haha. Thanks man

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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Nierbo, just a little insight from a two stripe White belt in BJJ, similar boat as you. For awhile I felt no progress whatsoever, I was always getting beat, and my victories consisted of how long I managed to survive against other guys. However, I'd have been training around 5 months and hadn't competed yet and I just thought I sucked. I then checked out another BJJ place in my town which were full of white belts. After rolling with them, I was schooling them left and right and boy was I feeling good. Hell, it felt so good I considered switching schools just so I could be top dog. I soon realized though the reason I had been sucking is because my school and the quality of BJJ guys and instructors was just higher, and I actually was getting a lot of progress in but just didnt realize.

Don't beat yourself up too bad, little do you know you are learning. My two cents.

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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Haha, speaking of nails I remember once when we were stretching, I just brutally sliced open my finger with my own toenail. After that I went and cut my nails because god, they werent even that long but it just sliced through my finger like it was a razor blade.

Is it sad that when I train regularily I make sure to shave, and cut my nails for the sake of my partners but I almost never shave for my girlfriend who is always complaining about scratching her? I guess once I train again itll be a win-win for her but kind of funny about how priorities go.

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

Don't mind me. We must protect rapists and misogynists from harm. If they're innocent they must not be named. Surely they'll never harm their sleeping, female patients. Watch me defend this in great detail. I am not a mens rights activist either.
This sort of goes along the lines the Grappling megathread was having to do with the Olympics.

Have there been any attempts in other countries to establish Athletic commission/state-centric based amateur competition for MMA? Right now as I understand it, there only really exists MMA in the form of amateur/pro fight cards, promoted by businesses and put on as for entertainment. Many/Some of the parts that can make up MMA (BJJ, Wrestling, Judo, Sambo whatever) however largely have tournament models, federations and such that attempt to regulate and organise the sport (whether its through education institutions like High School and Collegiate wrestling teams, or through independent organisations like IBJJF and lower to countries and states). I mean obviously these sports have a much longer history compared to what we call MMA, but is that the only reason we don't have things like MMA amateur leagues or tournaments (or do these exist?) and teams/clubs through universities etc.? It seems the mere prevalence of MMA (because its intention is to allow any "style" of martial arts within some safety regulations) around the world (since every nation in the world seems to have SOME sort of martial art) alone would qualify it for Olympic status, except for the organisation of it world wide. Are there attempts now to organise and regulate MMA as a sport and martial art instead of what it sort of is now, exhibitions?

Why I say this is, I've only been training BJJ and "MMA" for a bit now, but the whole social organisation of MMA fights really doesn't motivate me to take on amateur fight cards and such. The nature of organisations and their various so called oversight just make me worry about my longterm health fighting in these small promotions. Why does MMA not have tournaments? Is it merely free market forces of supply and demand coming into play, with people merely fighting in it for the monetary compensation?

A lot of this is just rambles but I don't know, I'm analyzing the social organisations of MMA versus other sports/martial arts and wondering why its different and if it can change.

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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Any tips on learning how to jump rope? I really wish I learned how to do it as a kid but now Im retarded and Im ridiculously self conscious of how lovely I am at it if I do it at the gym. Any tips?

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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Since my shoulder injury, and being a year out, I've kind of gotten super risk averse. I love BJJ, and I want to get more into Muay Thai once Im recovered. I never was too into no-gi grappling, and Im not looking into fighting MMA or competing no-gi, so would I really be out of a loss from not training it? Im worried that the scrambling aspect of no-gi makes it more injury prone than gi BJJ or striking. Am I completely off base with this assessment?

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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In about a few months, I may be cleared to get back into grappling after over a year off due to multiple shoulder dislocations. I had my surgery in december, so in theory it should be a-ok to get back in BJJ/MMA/Muay Thai.

My worry, is I've developed quite an apparent risk aversion with my arm. I still cringe at lifting my arm above my head, and any thought of a kimura or american on my left arm immediately makes me shudder. Obviously, im still a few months into my rehab, and in theory the strengthening should remove some of my mental aspects, but is there any other advice on how to slowly work back into it? I'm just worried that I'll start and I'm going to aversely effect my grappling and striking because I am severely scared of dislocating it again. I dislocated 4 times, 2 times actually grappling, and the second time was severely painful. I've also had dreams of dislocations, then waking up in a serious sweat. Its one of the scariest thoughts in my mind now after its happened. It doesn't help that my friends and bosses at work keep trying to dissuade me from continuing on because of the inherent dangers in training martial arts (despite the fact that I am in this posn not because of martial arts, but because I went back too soon after what should have been a 4mth recovery.)

Any tricks or ideas on how I should approach restarting my training?

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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Nierbo posted:

Swagger like us, I'm scared for you man. I keep imagining a long e/n post about how you wrecked your shoulder again and you're giving up martial arts. Don't lose your risk aversion for a looong time. Its not a bad thing.

The good news is that, according to my orthopaedic surgeon, with this surgery and the full 6mth recovery, my shoulder is pretty much 100% save for about a 5% loss in range of motion. So if I was to dislocate my shoulder in some freak way again, I'd only be theoretically out for the 3-4mths or so instead of the year I have been out due to surgery.

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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Paul Pot posted:

^that's some serious paranoia talking. 90% of the time it's just some drunken rear end in a top hat thinking he's superman (see: ryan hall video).

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This is true but is it worth it for you to find out the other 10%? Over what? Ego?

Obviously if you're in a self defense (or defending others that you care for) then its worth it, but people need to have a good awareness about the dangers of doing a double leg and then some body of his soccer kicking you, or him stabbing you.

That being said, Ryan Hall is absolutely correct that vs being untrained and doing some LARPing level street kung fu eye gouge training is way worse than doing a competitive combat sport. This is what he is talking about, he's not talking about scenarios, awareness etc. You can be BOTH aware and smart about how you handle yourself, AND be involved in a competitive combat sport. They're not mutually exclusive.

That being said, in a situation where either an untrained (or a non-competitive/"alive training" sport/martial art) versus someone does train "alive", has to be involved in an altercation that superseded any awareness or whatever, and EVEN with throwing in a knife, the trained guy is gonna come out more unscathed then the untrained one.

Its all relative, I mean you could train escrima and super duper knife defense/assault all you want but then what if he pulls a gun? Okay, well you could also train gun disarms all day long, then what if there's 5-6 of them? I mean there is an extreme limit as to what you can train, and then once you start getting into ridiculous levels of training this specific scenarios, it gets kind of weird that a
regular guy would do such a thing.

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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Senor P. posted:

Then why did Blagoi Ivanov get stabbed and almost die? What about that goon's friend who died getting in a fight? Weapons have a tendency to change things around.

Most definitely, but when weapons are introduced, those with actual training will always trump those without when facing a weapon (two scenarios, one guy who doesnt train alive, and one who does, against a guy with a weapon. Im merely saying the guy with the training has a better chance of coming out alive). Does that mean those who train are thereby invincible? Hell no, but they certainly got a better chance then some kung fu wing chunner.

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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Anyone have a good lowdown on MMA, BJJ, Muay Thai and Judo places to train at out of Winnipeg? Im going to be working there on a contract for 2 months in May/June. Im coming off my injury, and I think to get into the mindset I want to mainly train in Muay Thai/Kickboxing since its something i havent delved into enough, and because come July/August I'll be in a town that doesn't seem to have that good of a MMA gym (its one of those "Sanshou/Kung Fu MMA" bullshit places that Im not interested in) so instead Im looking at doing BJJ and crosstraining in Judo while Im in that town. Plus my physiotherapist seems to be only keen on letting me do a little bit of kickboxing come May, and only getting back into BJJ/Judo in June.

TL:DR: places to train out of in Winnipeg

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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mewse posted:

WAMMA is the best MMA gym in Winnipeg, run by Curtis Brigham.

Canadian Fighting Center is decent.

I train boxing at Elite boxing and MMA, the MMA stuff ("MMA", grappling, kickboxing) is run on the weekends by the WAMMA guys.

I don't really know about Muay Thai/kickboxing or Judo places but I can talk about all the local boxing clubs.

There's a weekly kickboxing thing run through the leisure guide that is pretty cheap but it starts April 14 so it doesn't really fit your timeline.

I'll definitely try both and see which one I like (plus whichever is closer to where Ill be staying is a plus too)

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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Mr Interweb posted:

So...have you guys heard of Kung Fu San Soo? I went to this dojo today, and the owner said it's a martial art that was adopted by the U.S. military up until 1992.

No, the US Army, nor practically every army in the western world has ever used any Kung Fu in its martial arts because they don't actually work. Also, you said you wanted to do Wing Chun, which it too, doesn't actually work. Theres been some good advice earlier so definitely take that.

But, to be fair if you wanna LARP Bruce Lee movies then by all means take Kung Fu, but if you want to learn how to fight or defend yourself, or compete, then look elsewhere

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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Here's the video of Sean Obasi trying out at M1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_3F6Zwbp9E

I'm pretty impressed how professionnal and calm that Ari fellow was with this guy going crazy about Wing Chun.

My two cents. The problem I find is Wing Chunners all over the internet is sort of like, an ideological stance as opposed to an attempt at methodology. BJJ, Muay Thai, MMA etc. adopts an open critical stance by continually testing martial arts. Is there some bias to the original "creator" martial arts in it? Sure, it took awhile for Wrestling to really jump into play because the Gracie family was looking to make sure that BJJ became the next big thing so they didn't want to showcase it against grappling. Eventually though, wrestlers became dominant, and arguably they are more dominant than ever today in UFC.

Wing Chun is just martial arts confirmation bias and for guys who really watched a lot of movie martial arts. It looks cool I'll admit, and Bruce Lee and other movies really drove that home. The reality is though, the guys who train Wing Chun are more looking to roleplay martial arts then to actually learn to fight because look. Because the nature of fighting in general is uncomfortable (For most people, being punched in the face even with a glove, or grappled on is initially uncomfortable). But people still want to learn to fight. So they seek out a route that doesn't put them in an uncomfortable spot, reinforces their comfort levels and pads them with confidence.

I know most people take the stance of let bygones be bygones but I have my serious concerns about the health impacts that happen from older ladies or guys who want to actually learn to defend themselves, have a false sense of confidence because of their wing chun black belt or red sash or whatever, and get absolutely destroyed or injured because they thought it would realistically work if they got into a fight or were assaulted. Sure, most people would run away, but it seems to me every Kung Fu/Mystical martial arts/traditional whatever kind of guy, are more likely to stay and let a situation escalate than to run away, because they are brainwashed into thinking it works. I dont have all the answers, Im not that big of an authority figure (Up until my injury I did MMA/Muay Thai and gi BJJ for about a year, and when I was a teen I did Karate for 6 years) but this is what its seemed to me to be the case. I was always greatful as a teen my Karate Sensei would always go on and on about never striking first, running away and never getting yourself into a situation where you had to use your training. He would always read some sort of piece of wisdom like that, and he was also personally (because of his education in social work) a great counsellor, and for a 12 year old with too much energy, Karate was awesome. Do I wish I did Judo or BJJ right away? Sure, but I mean, I had no way of knowing what is the "better' martial art, I was 12 years old. Karate is whats in the movies right, so its gotta be awesome.

I support traditional martial arts as a sort of Tai Chi, where you're doing it for fitness, spirituality (if thats your thing), flexibility and a little fun. But I wish they would stop falsely labelling the defense aspect because its just going to get people hurt.

swagger like us fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Apr 6, 2012

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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One thing I was just thinking about, watching some taekwondo school's video, is that when I was a Karate green belt teaching kids a reverse punch from horse stance, one thing I always corrected them on was keeping their shoulders square so to stay balanced instead of rotating over. The funny thing is, these kids probably just by trying to punch had a more powerful/useful punch (as useful as a reverse punch from horse stance can be...) then mine as the "instructor" and as theirs as just mimicking or thinking how a punch should happen.

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Oct 27, 2005

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Anyone here have experience starting martial arts clubs/schools?

I'm looking right now at getting a grappling club (gi BJJ and Judo, Wrestling, no-gi sub) started at my university through our student union (who handles all the university clubs). I havent been training long enough to be an instructor so I imagine we'll just go off an open-mat/peer-teaching style environment. The city Im in has 2 Judo schools, a spattering of BJJ/MMA schools and high school wrestling. Right now Im looking into what we need in terms of insurance/waivers, regulations, and gym space/mats available. Hopefully our university gym has wrestling mats.

Any thoughts or suggestions on how to start this? I have absolutely no idea who would be interested. I need 10 signatures to actually start this thing in the Fall, so I guess I'll make up posters for the summer semester, going into the fall for those interested. As for rules, I imagine basic gym/club etiquette. We get a $250 starter fee through the student union that can go towards events, fundraisers what have you, but the gym space is free, so most of that would probably go into posters, maybe hosting events in the future? We're not allowed to charge any sort of contributions from the members as per our Club guidelines, so theres that to understand too.

Rules I imagine are basic grappling etiquette (tapping, verbal agreements on what is allowed, isnt). I hope to get some local instructors to maybe do volunteer some seminars on Judo, BJJ, Wrestling takedowns from HS instructors, etc.

I also toyed with an MMA or Martial Arts club but I thought this would be harder to do because 1.) Being in Canada, MMA can be sometimes seen, especially by university administration as some cage fight club or something. 2.)I mean, I wouldnt not allow anyone who's interested in coming but I dont really want Karate, TKD whatever type people being the regular members, but rather different grapplers who want to train and improve. And, with no striking, and avoiding the whole "fighting" aspect of it, I can better market it to the student union as being a sports club (Focusing on the grappling sport, instead of it as a martial art). This seems to be the first type of club at the school, and the only other real sports club other than a running club. So it might even get completely shut down, if so I'll fight my way through whatever boards or appeals I'd have to do. Anyways, thoughts, opinions from others?

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Oct 27, 2005

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Update to my rehab from shoulder injury from BJJ for anyone else doing rehab. I started swimming after a 10 year hiatus (swam competively as a kid) and its really been awesome for my shoulder. I would say mostly for the psychological aspect of rotating my shoulder and having it above my head, and Im worried this is going to be the worst part of all this. I still cringe if I push off with my left arm or do anything that puts weight on it, despite the surgery and from what I understand it to be almost fully healed.

In the next few weeks I'm starting kickboxing again, only focus pad/drills for now, maybe light sparring in a few weeks. I was told by my physiotherapist that shadowboxing is fine, and some bag work, so I imagine any sort of focus pads would be good too to focus on technique. June is so so very close and I can't wait to get back into rolling again. Im looking at my next comp in September.

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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Im not going to lie, after reading the thread about CTE in football, its a little scary about getting back into boxing. Sure I knew there was injury possible and damage but I didnt realize how small impacts over time might have a serious damage done.

Maybe Ill just stick with my gay pajama groping

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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Can we talk about some basic kickboxing/boxing stuff? I'm coming up on over a year and a half off of training, and just starting kickboxing, and with all luck, BJJ with my surgeon's approval this tuesday.

Went to class and found my form for the most part was still alright. Combos were fine. However, I have some serious newbie problems again. First is, flinching, and covering up.

We did the flinching drill where you punch eachother in the forehead, and that helped. But I have this weird tendency to cover up after I throw a right straight. Like, I throw a jab, right straight, then immediately cover up, but not in a good way, as in I turn away. I sparred against some weirdo taekwondo guy (he had some stupid stance that even I got throw when I threw enough jabs in his face he turned back to traditional boxing) but even then I would cover up way too much.

Any tips?

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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kimbo305 posted:

How deep are your punches? Are they landing solidly into his guard or head, or just barely tapping his guard or hitting thin air? If it's the latter, maybe you're more concerned about not getting hit than landing your shots. If you do that, you'll never have an effective offense. You should be so confident in your strikes that you don't care if they try to counter, because what you land will be enough to control the exchange. Obviously setting up to avoid their punches is important, but you can't be so eager to avoid getting clipped that you shut down your offense.

My punches are super shallow, and I think you're right on the money with my problem is Im still super hesitant about getting clipped, and flinchy because its been so long.

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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Any Vancouver BJJ/MMA here? Im coming into the city for a trip this weekend and I think it might be time for a new gi. Google isn't finding me anything and I know Fushida is based out of Van but I can't find any info about a storefront that I can go to. Any MMA/BJJ stores, or BJJ clubs that have a store where I could buy a cheap BJJ gi? My old Fuji judo gi is getting old, and sleeves are too short and I got bigger so it doesn't fit. Pants still fit though so I could just get a new top. Also want to get some no-gi shorts

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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Hey, just getting back into Kickboxing/MT/MMA whatever here. Because I just restarted after a long hiatus, I've taken back all my old bad habits. I did 5-6yrs of Karate as a teenager and because of that, I'm still kicking that stupid roundhouse snap kick where I'm basically throwing my knee up, then snapping my leg out. Any good drills or things to focus on to get a better, standard thai kick in? I know a good trick is to step/pivot into it with your other leg, but how do I get that hip really into it?

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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That video is stupid in that he let him tap out so many times. Seriously, put him to sleep, and just walk away. Why would you let him tap and then let him go after he sucker punched you so many times? Christ.

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

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I know this is a common question here, and maybe there was even a seperate link but I've been thinking of doing some travelling for BJJ (or maybe Muay Thai).

I was just browsing the popular sites like ConnectionRio and TigerMuay Thai, and while Id much rather do BJJ (I train both), the Tiger MuayThai looks incredibly cheap (Training, accomodation and food for under $1,000 a month or so).

Im thinking of doing about a month long trip maybe. Its pretty cliche I know but my priority is simply getting into somewhere where I can train for about a month straight, everyday sort of camp. Anyone ever do anything like this, or point to some good information?

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

Don't mind me. We must protect rapists and misogynists from harm. If they're innocent they must not be named. Surely they'll never harm their sleeping, female patients. Watch me defend this in great detail. I am not a mens rights activist either.

Christoff posted:

Word.?

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2718014&pagenumber=1&perpage=40#post337318346

There was also a nice long post someone referenced to me when I asked about it in this thread about a guys experience.

At any rate. I'm down to hear any info anyone else has because in the next year or two I'd love to go to Thailand and train for a month.



I trained BJJ in Rio (Copacabana) and can tell you about that.

Cool, how long did you go for? What was your total budget and expenses, and how did you do it? (did you just book everything seperate and got there, or use something like ConnectionRio?)

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

Don't mind me. We must protect rapists and misogynists from harm. If they're innocent they must not be named. Surely they'll never harm their sleeping, female patients. Watch me defend this in great detail. I am not a mens rights activist either.
Has anyone here ever been involved in organizing a BJJ+No-Gi competition? Im only a white belt, but unfortunately most of the tournaments are always in the city around 4 hours away. However, my city, along with a few other cities within 2 hours away have big enough BJJ schools (My city has a Carlson Gracie school, a Gracie Barra school, and atleast two MMA schools that have brown belts teaching at them. There's also a large gracie barra place in both the other 3 cities nearby) that I feel like we could easily host one in town. The city Im in also has plenty of venues (the town hosts a lot of national and international sports competitions). Is there really anything I can do as just a white belt here to try and get a tournament going? Or is this just really something out of my league? Its just frustrating to have to be available to drive 4hours away, usually stay the night somewhere, to compete. As well, Im sure some guys from the larger cities would come also to compete.

Who usually organizes these events? Is it usually a school that finds sponsorship? How does that work? Does it need connection with CBJJF/IBJJF? Hell, even if it wasnt a large tournament but more an open style competition between schools would be awesome too to try and clear some of the tension between them (apparently there's some tensions between the GB place here and the rest of the schools, for reasons I don't know). Ill be working in one of the nearby towns for a bit, so Ill be able to get in touch with the main instructors that would have to be involved as well. How do I approach this?

swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

Don't mind me. We must protect rapists and misogynists from harm. If they're innocent they must not be named. Surely they'll never harm their sleeping, female patients. Watch me defend this in great detail. I am not a mens rights activist either.
A bit pricey but in the bandaid aisle there is something called Second Skin which is used for burns mainly, but it works awesome for blisters. Put that on, tape it overtop and you should be set.

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swagger like us
Oct 27, 2005

Don't mind me. We must protect rapists and misogynists from harm. If they're innocent they must not be named. Surely they'll never harm their sleeping, female patients. Watch me defend this in great detail. I am not a mens rights activist either.
I was wondering if any other BJJ guys can give me some advice on what to do. I dont want to be specific about locations and names because Im not trying to stir up drama, I just want some advice.

Im working for 7wks in a town about 2 hours away from where I live/train out of. At home I train out of an MMA school, that also does gi BJJ with a brown belt instructor, as well as no-gi and kickboxing. In Town B, where Im now working, the only place really is a Gracie Barra gym, with some reputable guys, and a cool schedule of training. I head over and talk to one of the black belts who run it. I explained my situation, and that I just am working here for a few weeks because I have a tasking in this town (Im in the canadian army). He says he would love to have me, but he says Gracie Barra policy doesn't let any non-GB member train, even if its for a short period of time. He says literally, if you're not wearing a GB Gi, you can't step on the mats (he doesnt even let his students buy patches). So, because Im not a GB member, I cant train there. There is a GB gym at Town A (my hometown), but its smaller, more expensive, and doesnt do no-gi or kickboxing, so thats the only reason I don't go there.

Im planning on speaking with the other blackbelt to see if an exception can be made but has anyone else ever run into this? He says that ANY GB place in north america is like this, whether its in LA, or Montreal or whatever, and that its not really up to him. I've heard he has had some beef with my instructor in my town. He says though if I join the GB place in my town, I could train there. But I dont really want to switch schools because I cant guarantee that I'll stick with the one in my original town. Would it be unethical for me to say I'll join, pay for 2 months, finish out the remainder of my 2 weeks when Im back home, and see from there? Or would that seem like I just lied to him about joining the club?

I understand why these rules exist but I mean, I just want to train for 6 weeks. Im only a white belt, why is this such big drama?

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