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Advent posted:Ah yeah I should have looked first. S15 is .279/.342/.391 which is really, really low for a goon league. MBU is singlehandedly propping that up.
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Thanks for the world series jinx, Bob.  Also, Eddie Cicotte is the new Three Fucker Brown. gently caress you, Cicotte.
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AlleyViper posted:Thanks for the world series jinx, Bob. I guess you'll just have to live with your extra $20 in addition to the WS runner-up credits 
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AlleyViper posted:Thanks for the world series jinx, Bob. The other team promised him half the GC's 
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I'm pretty sure Tony Phillips played a few games at SS, and has a D/D at fielding. Should I move him to SS and Wes Parker to 2nd?
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ArtVandelay posted:I'm pretty sure Tony Phillips played a few games at SS, and has a D/D at fielding. Should I move him to SS and Wes Parker to 2nd? Absolutely not. Parker could be bad at SS, Phillips will be bad at SS. Phillips meanwhile is an asset at 2B. In other news, my RC&C team has been a lot of fun ever since my pitching decided to, y'know, pitch well. AlleyViper fucked around with this message at 20:44 on May 10, 2011 |
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Hey Garcenald, interested in playing our playoff series Live? I was originally worried about pitcher stamina, but everyone appears to be basically alright.
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ArtVandelay posted:Hey Garcenald, interested in playing our playoff series Live? I was originally worried about pitcher stamina, but everyone appears to be basically alright. Yeah, I'm down. I'll hop on now.
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Now that gardenald unceremoniously dismantled my team in every way possible, it's back to the drawing board to win that ever elusive 2nd world series. Here is my change of MDP's team. I'm using a couple offensive guys i've never used before, in Pietz, Grimes, Anderson, and Delahanty. Pitching is largely the same, except for Buttons Briggs, who I just want to try once for the hell of it. Would this team be anywhere near as good as the last? 
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May 11, 2011 00:47
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ArtVandelay posted:Would this team be anywhere near as good as the last? Not even slightly.
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here are my rule V AAA players. Everybody is terrible, except for Gene Hermanski, who may be one of the more useful AAA players i've ever gotten.
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May 11, 2011 05:38
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Don't get too attached to them. sinfonian didn't realign the divisions so the league may be re-started.
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Maybe this is more of a general baseball question, but what makes Deadball-era pitchers great in WiS while modern hitters suck?
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Great White Hope posted:Maybe this is more of a general baseball question, but what makes Deadball-era pitchers great in WiS while modern hitters suck? Deadball pitchers have ridiculous HR/9 that the sim does not properly adjust. Meanwhile, modern hitters are (arguably) overadjusted for era.
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It's also not so much modern hitters as much as hitters from the extreme offensive eras. Guys from the late 20s-30s and the 90s-00s tend to do poorly, especially power hitters vs. deadballers. The ones that do perform well are typically guys who were fast, hit lots of doubles, drew lots of walks or all of the above - Raines, Rickey, Abreu, Biggio, Boggs, etc. Those attributes don't get era-adjusted as badly as home runs do.
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Since it's on my mind, here's a bit more detail as to why it happens in the sim. This is really oversimplified but I think it gets the point across well enough. Let's look at '96 Mark McGwire. Mac hit 52 home runs in just 540 PAs, which is pretty remarkable in any era. But lots of home runs were being hit in the mid-late 90s - 27 players hit 35 or more home runs including Terry Steinbach, Henry Rodriguez and Ed Sprague - so WIS looks at McGwire's performance against the rest of the league that year and doesn't see those 52 home runs as that impressive. Thus, his home run rate gets normalized down. Let's say that after normalization, McGwire's only going to hit 37 home runs. WIS doesn't reallocate those lost home runs into other hit types, it doesn't say "well, they may not be dingers but they'll instead be doubles or long singles," the normalization just kills off those home runs. So 52 to 37 is a loss of 15 hits for McGwire in '96 - that's dropping his average from a robust .312 to a more McGwire-like .277 That's still pretty solid, though. .277 and 37 home runs is nothing to sneeze at, especially since McGwire's walk totals are still pushing him around a .400 OBP. The thing is, this is assuming a league where there's a fairly equal spread of pitchers across all eras. This is where the real power of deadballers enters. Because deadball pitchers are SO GOOD at squelching home runs, in a league of ALL deadballers McGwire might only hit 20-25 home runs, possibly even less with bad luck or bad parks. And since McGwire barely hits any singles or doubles, even mediocre deadballers with fantastic home run rates can completely negate McGwire's bat, walks aside. Let's be generous and say Mac still hits 25 home runs in this league, that's another 12 hits off his total, now you're down to a .248 hitter instead of the .312 he actually hit. .248 with 25 homers ain't so hot when you're paying for .312 and 52 and instead you can buy someone like Tim Raines at the same price who doesn't get killed by normalization OR deadballers. And if McGwire gets killed that bad, think of what happens to lesser guys like Henry Rodriguez. Again, this is an extremely quick and dirty way to look at it. There's a lot of stuff this doesn't touch on, like debate on whether or not home runs actually become lesser hits like doubles in the actual simulation of games when you face a deadballer or are in an extreme pitchers' park. But that should give you the basic idea of why modern guys struggle in the sim against deadballers.
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If you want to get really in depth into it, WiS runs on the 'log5' calculation. Which is summed up here: http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/btf/scholars/levitt/articles/batter_pitcher_matchup.htm The thing is, 'league average' in there, is then defined as 'the average of the Batters' league average and the Pitchers' league average'. A simple example, 1999's AL Home Run leader, Ken Griffey Jr vs. a League Average Pitcher from 1905 AL: 1905 HR/PA: .004 1999 HR/PA: .034 'League' HR/PA combined: 0.019 Ken Griffey HR/PA in 1999: .061 Thus log5 equation looks like this: (( .061 * .004 ) / 0.019 ) / (( .061 * 0.004) / 0.019 + ((1 - 0.061) * ( 1 - 0.004) / ( 1 - 0.019)) = 0.013 Griff now gets: 0.013 HR/PA, Or 9.3 home runs in 706 PA. A league average deadball pitcher in 1905 gives up 9.3 home runs per 700 PA to 1999's AL home run leader, which is why people think modern guys suck so much. In truth, like AV said, you just have to draft things that aren't common in the modern eras, like speed, stolen bases, triples, etc.
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A little heads up to you guys who wanted in on 2 man band season 3. Now that i'm out of the job for a little bit, i'm in the process of making the thread in theme leagues classifieds. Check in a little bit and sign up!
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2 man band league thread is up! Evilbeard, I will pay for your season! http://whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?TopicID=439123&TopicsTimeframe=30
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ArtVandelay posted:2 man band league thread is up! Evilbeard, I will pay for your season! Not playing if I can not be guaranteed Greenberg/Koufax. I want my Jew Power.
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Scrotos posted:Not playing if I can not be guaranteed Greenberg/Koufax. I want my Jew Power. You can get in right now with either one of them, but I can't guarantee you'll get the other. You might have to go with a different jewish pitcher.
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ArtVandelay posted:You can get in right now with either one of them, but I can't guarantee you'll get the other. You might have to go with a different jewish pitcher. gently caress that noise.
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May 11, 2011 20:48
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Koufax and Shawn Green.
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Scrotos posted:gently caress that noise.
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In with Luke Appling!
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I've never used Pedro Martinez on a team before, time to extremely remedy that.
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In with Craig Biggio!
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What were the park restrictions on the 2-man Band league again? I assume it's a park one of your two guys played in at some point, yes? Or is it open?
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Y'all are suckers I got Babe Ruth
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Ivan Drago posted:What were the park restrictions on the 2-man Band league again? I assume it's a park one of your two guys played in at some point, yes? Or is it open? As far as I remember, it was completely open. I can't remember perfectly if there was a DH, but i'm going under the assumption that there was.
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ArtVandelay posted:As far as I remember, it was completely open. There was
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ArtVandelay posted:I can't remember perfectly Perhaps you should have pulled up the last thread.
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I love that there are now 8 goons in this league. Edit: 9! ArtVandelay fucked around with this message at 23:37 on May 11, 2011 |
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May 11, 2011 23:33
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Hell yeah I joined with Greg Maddux.
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I'm in with Barrold Lamar
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gardenald posted:I'm in with Barrold Lamar Hellyeah. We need 2 more goons to take up half the league. we can do it, guys!
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Art, how do you feel about being way ahead of the real baseball universe on the Vicente Padilla: Ace Closer bandwagon?
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jeffersonlives posted:Art, how do you feel about being way ahead of the real baseball universe on the Vicente Padilla: Ace Closer bandwagon? I always knew he had it in him How much would you all pay me to make Padilla my 2 man band pitcher?
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ArtVandelay posted:I always knew he had it in him I would not pay you a drat thing but I would be endlessly entertained by it, at least until, y'know, it got old.
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gardenald posted:I would not pay you a drat thing but I would be endlessly entertained by it, at least until, y'know, it got old. Just tried putting it together and he only has about 1500 innings. For this league, you need a good 2000+.
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