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Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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Clayton Bigsby posted:

and a bonus shot showing off the Olympus jpeg colors, which I do approve of:


That's a really good exposure considering the lighting conditions, and impressive dynamic range. It impresses me a lot more than a lot of the m4/3 pics I've looked at.

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Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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alkanphel posted:

I like the skin tones when shooting people with the E-M5 as well, very natural.

I don't know, seems to be skewing a little yellow in your pics.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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alkanphel posted:

Hmm you think so? Looks fine enough on my monitor though.

Just making an off-color joke.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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Helicity posted:

What's all this talk about changing lenses? X100 :smug:

Speaking of, has anyone picked up the new wide angle convertor for it?

Does the x100 have lens threads?

edit: nevermind, I know it must, comes with a lens hood.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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Anyone else excited about the Sony RX100 compact camera?

I know it seems like an outrageous price when you could get a NEX 5N for like 50 dollars more. But I already have a DSLR for when I need the best image quality, and I want something that is truly portable in a "forget about it" sort of way.

And as impressed as I am with the NEX 5N's image quality, I just didn't get into the handling of it. I just don't like holding a camera with a lens that large like it's a P&S. It just feels so much more comfortable and stable when I've got a large camera like that against my head. So the only mirrorless camera that I REALLY want is the NEX-7, and I'm not ready to spend that much money investing in the NEX system yet.

I've been really impressed with the image quality of the RX100 compared to cameras of its size. The high ISO isn't amazing, but I think with RAW I'll be able to massage some great quality out of it, because Sony in-camera noise reduction just sucks anyway.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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Cacator posted:

Also it turns out the mysterious E-M5 sensor was made by Sony and not Panasonic which made all the previous sensors for Olympus. It's not a cut down NEX-7 sensor either since it's 16 MP. Interesting!

Really? Where'd you read that? If that's true, I'm so surprised they weren't more forthcoming with that fact, because Sony has such a better reputation than Panasonic for its image sensors.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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One good thing about NEX is the NEX kit lens is definitely sharper than the Olympus 14-42 mm kit lens. You can use the NEX kit lens and not want to kill yourself like a lot of other kit lenses.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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Miso Beno posted:

Which Olympus 14-42 are you talking about? I was under the impression that the second revision of the Olympus 14-42 is much better than the first version of the lens.

I'm talking about the first, I haven't used the second version. I know it's got better autofocus, but did they actually improve the optics on it?

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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Don't forget he wants to get a camera for an old man who probably won't be doing any RAW post-processing. I don't know about the GX1, because I haven't kept up with it, but for the older Panasonic and Olympus m4/3 cameras, I thought the color rendition and noise reduction in jpegs in the Olympus models was pretty significantly better.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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Shmoogy posted:

http://www.canonrumors.com/2012/07/mirrorless-update-aps-c-cr2/
It seems they're going to potentially challenge the Nex rather than Nikon/Pentax/everyone else. It should be interesting to see how it plays out, especially as if it's APS-C, they'll likely have a way to use EF lenses on it, and maybe even more pancakes.

That's a little disappointing if true. I was hoping they'd use the GX1 size sensor to keep the lenses size down. But maybe they think the micro4/3 system is too mature to beat, and they are confident they can put out some good but compact APS-C lenses, and be a strong competitor to Sony while it struggles with putting out more NEX lenses.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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Flickr tag search is a good way to see lens/body combinations.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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spog posted:

Good lord, that is a nice bag.

The best part is that they have a handy size comparison tool so you can find the best fit for your lifestyle.

I think the 10" and 11" bags hit the sweet spot for myself.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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If ever there was a good reason to have a focal length wider than 40 mm, I'd think the Grand Canyon would be it.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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RustedChrome posted:

Hey guys, I know some of you were wishing for a NEX-7 that is ugly and even more expensive.

I thought you meant a camera LIKE a NEX-7, as in similar size and an EVF...I didn't think you meant it actually IS a NEX-7 with a shell glued to the outside. Wow.

Speaking of retarded luxury camera brands, the newest Leica full frame rangefinder, the successor to the M9, which just be called the "Leica M" and all future generations will also be called...the "Leica M".

They actually admit that they are ripping off Apple deciding to call the iPad 3 just an iPad. They're doing it for similar reasons, I guess. Leica doesn't update the cameras very often, so they want you to just concentrate on it being a Leica, instead of the fact that it's missing lots of newer features after it has become out of date.

Also, Leica has a travel zoom bridge camera now. It will be a rebadged other brand like Panasonic or something I'm sure, but it's funny to watch them make the argument about Leica's reputable name, while re-badging bridge cameras and selling them for four times more money.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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spog posted:

Thanks for that.

It's great that he's admitting that the only better feature is a metal frame, instead of plastic, so it will lst much longer.

The NEX-7 has a metal frame anyway. It's magnesium alloy which is lighter than aluminum and harder to dent, unlike the Hasselblad.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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Empty Pockets posted:

In a move towards portability, I'm thinking of buying the 16mm NEX pancake lens. The pictures I've seen don't seem that bad, but I'm not much of a pixel peeper. I see places I can buy it for ~$160, but some of the reviews out there are pretty harsh (:byodood: OH GOD THE SOFTNESS!).

Can anyone chime in here?

It's wide angle, so chances are you'll be using it outdoors, and chances are you'll be using it in the daylight. So if you just need a lens for f/5.6 and smaller apertures, it's fine. At wider apertures than that, it definitely does suck.

Most of the reason it has had such a bad rap is because it's been the ONLY NEX pancake lens for so long, so people have been trying to use it for all sorts of applications. People wouldn't mind that this cheap pancake lens isn't very good, if there were also better options. And it looks like that's changing lately.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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HPL posted:

What? You're more likely to use a wide angle indoors than outdoors. If you're outdoors, you can move backwards and keep on trucking until you get everything into the frame.

Mostly what you photograph indoors is people, and then objects. The only time people photograph rooms where they want to see the entire thing is when you are selling a house, pretty much.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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Shmoogy posted:

I admit that I laughed at the ad, but I've been seeing a trend in which companies are almost attacking people in their ads. I don't think that it's really a technique which is going to get people to switch to their product.

The guy getting annoyed at the flash popping up in Auto made me laugh because I've actually seeing someone doing that. Her solution was to hold it down rather than learning anything new about her camera though.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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Digital Jesus posted:

Your kid totally looks like a young Dexter Morgan. Keep an eye on your pets! (:3 just kidding)

Someone buy that kid a Henley, stat.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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Do you guys have a suggestion for a flash for my brother-in-law who has an Olympus E-PL1? He doesn't want to spend more than 80 dollars, but I might be able to talk him up to $150 for the right flash.

He wants something that's not absolutely gigantic, but I want it to be something that can definitely swivel for flash bounce, and has optical RC so he can trigger it off camera with his built-in flash.

Any suggestions that won't break the bank?

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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Mr. Despair posted:

Yongnuo makes some flashes that fit almost everything you want (price and features specifically), but I dunno if they're what you'd consider gigantic or not (they're normal sized).

Olympus makes a compact flash that can do bounce, but it only works wirelessly with the newer olympus bodies so I don't know if it'll work for you (it's the Olympus FL-300R).

Those Yongnuo flashes definitely fit the bill on price, but I believe they'll be too manual for him, since Program mode is the most he's ever done with his E-PL1. So I don't think he's ready for a real flash. I'll recommend that FL-300R to him, it seems like the perfect choice, except for how slow it recharges.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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Augmented Dickey posted:

http://www.petapixel.com/2013/01/18/kodak-to-join-the-micro-four-thirds-party-with-the-s1-mirrorless-camera/

Appearantly Kodak, of all companies, is jumping on the m4/3 boat. Didn't see thst coming.

Doesn't mean poo poo though. Kodak closed or sold away everything to do with actual cameras long ago, including their image sensor business. The only thing they have is their name, which they've been licensing for years for cheap Chinese junk P&Ses, and it's just the same case for this again, except higher end Chinese no-name cameras this time. Except there's even an intermediary here, licensing the Kodak brand to itself, then contracting out the work to others. I wouldn't expect much, except by pure random chance.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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Beastruction posted:

Isn't there a 17/2.8?

We don't talk about that lens. That lens has an alternative lifestyle, and is not welcome in the First Baptist church on main street.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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Yeah, it's one thing to end free warranty repair, but quite another to end paid repair entirely. Even cell phones get better repair service than that, and they are actually meant to be thrown away after two years.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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RustedChrome posted:

The X100 is still being sold new. I have a hard time believing that this reply is from Fujifilm. Maybe some 3rd party warranty/repair service?

Good point. Do you have a grey market camera?

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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Been through two hurricanes with my old D50 and it made it through just fine. I did wrap it with a plastic bag.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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Same price as an x100, but no optical viewfinder, and a slightly less versatile focal length? No thanks.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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I think the better sensor on the 5N is totally worth the extra 50-100 dollars. Especially since if that amount of money is so worrisome to you, you'll probably be keeping the 5N for a long time, so you might as well have the best camera possible from the get-go.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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Personally, I am pretty crazy happy with using my older DSLR for portraits, museums, etc. and carrying my RX100 everywhere else. Sure, it's not quite as good as even m4/3, but it goes everywhere because it's just so damned tiny. I dithered playing with people's mirrorless cameras for like two years before the RX100 came out, not really wanting to commit, and not being completely happy with the level of portability vs. image quality and no OVF tradeoffs, because mostly the scenarios I'd take the mirrorless camera would be the same places I'd be willing to lug a DSLR, because I'm too lazy to lug any bulky camera most places at all, it turns out. But that's just what worked for me.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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Pegnose Pete posted:

I'm not too familiar with this system. Will just about any M43 lens work on the OMD?

Yes. Olympus and Panasonic make most of them, but there are 3rd party manufacturers, including the inexpensive but still good Sigmas.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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RustedChrome posted:

Give in to your emotions. Join me on the RX1 side!

Only if The Empire will extend my credit line.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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Random Task posted:

Wow, no love for the BlackMagic Pocket Cine at all here? I guess you guys don't do video.

Not exclusively, and the BlackMagic would be a terrible stills camera, but it's a very cool video camera for those who need it. I will be excited to see video produced from it to see if the dynamic range is as great as promised in the real world.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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God drat, the more I read about this new Ricoh GR, the more excited I get about it. The size, controls, and menu system look perfect, and if I HAD to be limited to a focal length, I'd choose 28 mm. You can also set it to crop automatically to 35 mm and only show a 35 mm view on the screen. I can't wait to see real world sample photos; if this camera turns out to be the real deal I'm pretty sure I'm going to get it.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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Shmoogy posted:

Probably doable with a wifi SD card.

I don't know exactly what you mean by "preview with a smartphone", but supposedly the GR is built with the eye-fi sd cards in mind, and there are easy menu options to resize pics on camera and then push to smartphones and tablets.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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dodob posted:

Mookio, a GRD evangelist/blogger/author has been (I assume) given a GR to play with after attending the official announcement last week in Japan. He's been slowly posting some pictures online:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mookio

Thanks for posting this. These photos look amazingly sharp. This guy must be post-processing these to get those vivid colors, because the straight-out-of-camera jpegs on dpreview from the GR look really desaturated and boring. This probably won't be a camera for people who don't want to deal with post-processing, but I almost always do so anyway, so it's not a deal breaker at all for me.

Here's some more GR porn:



Now that's small.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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dodob posted:

Also, what is this about "in-camera RAW processing"? To my mind that is just a fancy way of saying in-camera JPEG effects.

I think you can actually make changes to the RAW files themselves, not just the jpegs, because the Riooh GR outputs its RAW in Adobe DNG files. And that's probably a useful feature to have since the camera doesn't have a low-pass optical filter, so there's a setting to try to digitally correct moire with in-camera processing if you want to. I've never used a camera without a low-pass anti-aliasing optical filter before, so I'll be curious to see how much moire there actually is in real-world shots, but since I mostly shoot nature, it probably won't ever be a problem for those kinds of scenarios.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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joelcamefalling posted:

Also, I don't really get the appeal of the GRD. It's like an x100s but slower and with far worse controls. I guess 'snap to focus' sounds kind of cool, though.

It mostly comes down to personal preference. Some people love the idea of having an OVF, and the retro-style body, and prefer a 35 mm FOV. In that case, of course the x100s is for you.

But if you would rather have a truly tiny camera that's almost half the weight of the x100s, and don't mind not having the OVF, then the Ricoh GR is a great choice. I prefer the 28 mm FOV personally, and it being $500 cheaper isn't too shabby either. I'm not sure why you think the GR has "far worse controls" either; the GR's controls seem pretty brilliant to me, especially with the amount of real estate they are working with to place controls. It looks as easy to use as the x100s to me, and superior to the x100. The only negative is the implementation of manual focus on the GR vs the x100s.

Here's a youtube video that explains the GR's controls:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3lS_Ldx7Fs

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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Whatever7, do you think it will make any difference from which website that I pre-order the Ricoh GR for it to arrive the quickest? I'd rather not have to wait months if I can help it, and I don't know if ordering directly from Ricoh would speed things up, or if they would try to keep their big order customers like Adorama and B&H happy first. You seem to have a bajillion cameras, so I thought you might be the man to ask.

Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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powderific posted:

My local store only got 3 D800s in its first run while I'm sure B&H got hundreds, but the demand was so much lower the local store got it to me months before it would have come from B&H.

That sounds like a good idea, but I don't have any real camera stores in my area, unfortunately. It's a dying breed.

whatever7 posted:

And maybe setup an photorumors alert or just hangout on the dprebiew Ricoh forum. I am sure those people know which website is shipping first.

I've just been checking out the Ricoh forum on dpreview. Good God, they are so loving autistic.

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Costello Jello
Oct 24, 2003

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The new Olympus E-P5 has been officially announced now; it looks like it's quite a capable little camera. I'm not sure how well it's going to sell though, since it's the exact same price as the Olympus OM-D EM-5 that has an EVF, and not really significantly smaller.

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