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Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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uh, we may be the losers

Shalebridge Cradle posted:

What do people think Obama has actually done? I can't think of a single thing this administration has done that's remotely collectivist, let alone tyrannically socialist? I really never understand this kind of argument, and its not even confined to the crazy right wing internet anymore even Mitt Romney is saying this kind of thing.
Well, he's been pretty goddamn black for one thing.

Really, that's all they need. The socialism thing was thrown at Clinton too, sure, but it was never embraced by the GOP in the way that it has been with regard to Obama. You can't just say "I don't like the president because I'm a racist", though, especially because most of them don't even think they are racist. So they have to totally fabricate something that they perceive to be a flaw to have something to cry about.

I would love to know of a single thing that Obama has done as president that hasn't been supported by moderate Republicans in the past. If I was a Republican, I'd be loving delighted.

Bryter fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Feb 8, 2012

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Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Bruce Leroy posted:

How does a "young person that isn’t anywhere close to retirement" get Social Security benefits?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you could only get SS benefits if you were either old enough (65?) or were physically/mentally/psychologically disabled and couldn't work?

How else would a "young person" get SS benefits?
Social security includes disability and unemployment.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Bruce Leroy posted:

Ok, I always considered unemployment insurance to be a separate thing.

So, isn't the hypothetical person he complained about someone who was relatively recently fired, i.e. working poor, not some kind of conservative stereotype?

drat, they sure love to hate on the poor.
In terms of administration, it's a separate thing, as it's done on the state level. It's social security, as opposed to Social Security, but they can still qualify for benefits, and some people think that's bad, I guess.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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cheerfullydrab posted:

That's not a good view to hold at all. The people who write these letters are, despite their twisted views, American citizens. We have to live with people who hold political views opposite ours, no matter how loving insane they are. We also have to accept that they are also tax-paying and voting members of our country. Calling such people crazy is just one way to otherize them in a dangerous way. We're all Americans, together, whether we like it or not. Personally I hate like poison people who write letters such as that. Even if you disagree with them, at least please respect them as American citizens. I'm saying this as a former LF poster.
:rolleyes:
Please. Sharing a landmass with someone is not a sufficient basis for pretending to find their views palatable.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Judeccahedron posted:

There's a very broad line between "find[ing someone's] views palatable" and saying that anyone who has an opinion you disagree with should be institutionalized, though. Obviously, if you disagree with the person, you are free to do so, but the notion of "this guy who thinks this should be sent to the nuthouse" has rather nasty implications.

Besides which, even if it became law, do you think that the next guy who comes along wouldn't decide that you should be thrown into a mental institution for your opinions?
I'm fairly sure that that post was hyperbolic, but it's the whole "please respect them as American citizens" approach that's just totally asinine. As if it's somehow worse to call an American crazy than anybody else in the world.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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cheerfullydrab posted:

If you're so against the idea of not calling humans with opposing, ridiculous views completely insane people who deserve to be institutionalized because you share the same landmass with them, at least try and think that they're still human beings. Rational, reasonable human beings who are completely loving nuts.
So are the terms "rational" and "reasonable" only mutually exclusive with "completely loving nuts" to me then?

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Bruce Leroy posted:

If we seek the reason behind the great disparities in wealth that the Occupy crowd is howling about, we need look no further than the collapse of marriage.
Wow. Whatever definition dictionaries currently have for non sequitur should be replaced with this.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Google "ignorant rear end in a top hat".

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Bryter
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Imagine being the kind of person who thinks the golden age of the ACLU was when they were defending Nazis, Ollie North, and tobacco companies...

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