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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Did the scene involve a horse wearing a gimp suit or something because it sounds pretty scandalous.

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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Is he arguing that everyone needs to be a terrible gay villain stereotype from a 1990's cop show or something?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

JaggyJagJag posted:

About Milo Yiannapolous (sp?), it never occurred to me that lesbians and gays might be transphobic. I guess growing up people tend to just say LGBT so I assumed they were one unified ccoalition. Can anyone shed light on why a gay man would say the things he does? I assumed as someone who heard similar bigoted rhetoric his whole life he would be more sympathetic.

Dropped on his head as a child?

Also while LGBT organisations generally form a coalition for mutual gain, individual L G B and T people don't necessarily get along very well.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

ErIog posted:

To add to this, there have been a lot of strides towards gay acceptance in the last few decades. There have not been those same strides toward accepting trans people. For people who were slowly convinced that gay people aren't duplicitous perverted mental cases, trans people are still a bridge too far. There has not been a trans version of Ellen. There has been no trans Will and Grace. The most high profile mainstream trans events have been Chas Bono on Dancing with the Stars and Chelsea Manning. Chas Bono was had a mixed reception, and Chelsea Manning was heavily politicized along political lines.

For your average cis-gendered(I hate this term too, sorry) straight person, LGB being mixed with T is very confusing. You hear stuff like, "well, we have gay marriage now, doesn't that solve trans issues?" Well, it does and it doesn't. Am I going to be imprisoned for using a public bathroom? What if I get doxxed, and my employer chooses to fire me despite my having successfully lived as my preferred gender for years? Am I going to be hassled every time I have to show the ID where my gender doesn't match what I currently look like? These are issues gay people do not have, and there has not been any concerted effort to educate people.

In my experience, bigots dislike gay people, but they have a unique separate visceral fear of trans people. They really don't like the idea that they don't have the power to decide another person's gender. They feel that gay people are sexual perverts, but they feel trans people are transgressing a much more fundamental biological "reality." They take it as a categorically different betrayal of the social order.

Even well-meaning liberals often fall into the :biotruths: trap where having a penis means you like <insert typically male-centric thing here>. They find the idea of someone being sexually attracted to the same sex a lot easier to understand. They do not understand what it's like to wake up every day in a body you feel does not represent yourself. It has not been explained to them.

Then on top of all this you have people who think they understand because they know who Ru-Paul is, and that's just :ughh: all the way down.

Also trans folks get a lot of hostility because they threaten other people's sexual identity more or less by existing.

As in, there's people who go into meltdown because they find someone attractive and then find out they are 'really' a dude. But obviously they can't like dudes because they're not gay, oh god I like that dude I'm turning gay loving TRANS BASTARDS MAKING ME GAY AAAAAAAAAA. Some people really do need to learn about the kinsey scale. And/Or stop defining the legitimacy of their existence based on who they find attractive.

Again, not really something that cisgendered folks have a lot of trouble with, other than possibly gay people getting poo poo from very insecure people worried they will hit on them or something. So it doesn't come up as part of general LGB stuff.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Feb 10, 2015

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

God forbid people maybe believe that someone can be a nuanced and complicated person and still be a murderer.

It's almost like murderers might be people just like us.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It need not be untrue to be a propaganda piece, it simply needs to focus entirely on the good and ignore the bit where he murdered three people for no good reason.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It's surely not a centennial unless until 2088?

Or did Reagan travel back in time and rule the USA during 1918?

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Oct 8, 2015

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Sinestro posted:

That's really not that unreasonable. I mean, I have no interest in that stuff, but I find the banning of any kind of art to be a really creepy thing that shouldn't happen.

It's not really just art when he's arguing that there's nothing wrong with takingDRAWING pictures of rape and murder and then wanking to it.

The argument against the criminalisation of underage hentai is that it's not supposed to be actually based on real things. Otherwise it's just literal child pornography which is in no way a victimless crime.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I think the point is that the response is utterly terrible and far more damaging to the argument it's trying to advance and revealing of the motivations of the author than it was intended to be.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I think we can all agree that people who like loli are basically the equivalent of holocaust survivors.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Maybe he hates everyone who won't have sex with him (which is everyone)

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Hermetic posted:

He's over 40 and still in the closet to his parents, so I'm gonna go with "strained".

Well I don't imagine she will have sex with him either.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

fishmech posted:

Allotments means those British community gardens here, right? Is he really complaining that women are gardening?

Yep, and yes.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It's a world of opportunity!

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Geokinesis posted:

Opinion piece in Marie Claire about masculinity. Why the modern man is having an identity crisis.

So very close to the idea that Patriarchy is bad for everyone, and yet, so far...

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

quote:

"On an open house day at a private school in the area I once heard a teacher describe the course she taught as "Math With Numbers". Huh? It would have been a couple of minutes of real fun getting her to explain how you could do math without numbers but I didn’t have the energy for it."
Or alternatively a very short one starting with the word "Algebra".

quote:

"Scott’s argument is the really old and really weird one many Conservatives are familiar with, i.e.; that the government should do something about the fact that in some mostly black districts and/or neighborhoods there weren’t enough white students to go around. Implying of course, that black students cannot excel in school work without enough Whites faces in the classroom."
Or possibly that schools are a microcosm of society at large because housing remains heavily segregated which one might regard as a Bad Thing, especially when race continues to correspond strongly with poverty and poverty with academic performance.

quote:

"So I decided to do some research and found I had been flummoxed as Hercule Poirot would say, “by the simple cunning of vacant minds.” Critical thinking has nothing whatsoever to do with intellectual proficiency. Instead it’s the left’s means by which they shut out and shout down a procedure which should be both taught and encouraged in the young: the scientific method."
Science: Neither critical nor involving thought.

quote:

"1. Suspending judgment to check the validity of a proposition or action
2. Taking into consideration multiple perspectives
3. Examining implications and consequences of a belief or action
4. Using reason and evidence to resolve disagreements
5. Re-evaluating a point of view in light of new information

Nothing about experiments or objective tests, just conflict resolution, taking other’s opinions into account and of course “examining [the] implications and consequences of a belief or action."
So, you would presumably not characterise the rudimentary scientific method as:

1. Reserving judgement and developing a hypothesis.
2. Collecting as much data as you can to test the hypothesis.
3. Determining what material effects you would expect to see if your hypothesis was true.
4. Using the evidence you collected and your brain to determine whether or not the data you collected correlates with your expected pattern.
5. Deciding whether or not your hypothesis is correct as a result of the information you now possess.

quote:

Let’s try a real world example. Since Lyndon B. Johnson’s War On Poverty began in the 1960s we have roughly spent an amount equal the national debt (20 trillion) on eliminating poverty and have not done so, indeed by some measures it’s gotten worse.

The scientific method would shut the thing down because the experiment has failed.

On the other hand, the application of critical thinking would provoke this reaction to the problem:

Don’t do anything rash. (suspend judgement) Other people have other opinions about whether or not it has failed. (Take into consideration multiple perspectives) Think about what happens to the people now getting checks and shouldn’t they have a voice in whether or not to shut the system down? (Examining implications and consequences of a belief or action) Isn’t it reasonable to assume that if you give people money that they must not be poor any longer. (Using reason and evidence to resolve disagreements) Maybe there’s some different way in which we can give this money away? (Re-evaluating a point of view in light of new information)

And so you’ll never shut down the system, as the scientific method tells you you should. Because no human being will ever clearly and conclusively resolve issues like these.
OK so that's a no you definitely wouldn't characterise the scientific method that way, you would characterise it as shouting "NO YOUR HYPOTHESIS IS WRONG STOP ARGUING" as loudly as you can.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I mean you could try knocking all the slavers off the currency and replace them all with better people. That'd be cool.

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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I didn't know that Jack Nicholson was an MP.

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