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In which "Lay 'er down" is discussed rationally between a BMW rider and Pat Hahn, author of Maximum Control and veteran MSF instructor: http://en.allexperts.com/q/Motorcycle-Safety-Driveability-790/2010/2/Emergency-Braking-lay-er.htm It will be debated until the next-to-last motorcyclist on earth keels over, and even then the last one standing will have two voices in his head arguing pro and con. I have no idea how you would possibly execute this move on command, unless you were packing a go-go-gadget gravel shooter to facilitate the slide. Personally, I think it's just plain screwing the pooch, with a convenient and generally accepted face-saving cliche to make it appear intentional.
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Synonamess Botch posted:I find it interesting he brought up sportbike riders jumping off the bike as an analogue...is it still stupid to ditch a bike in an imminent or (I hesitate to use the word, but) "unavoidable" accident? If you lived to tell about it, you made the right move. Jumping I can at least grasp, even if I was unaware of it as a common egress method in the sport bike world--assuming Hahn is correct. If he is, I think it's only fair that the practice get an equally snide catch phrase 
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nsaP posted:You can't win against stupid/reckless. Local forum again. They just want to be free! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnGzl-OEyGE Most motorcycle forums operate like so: 1) Existing members shower new user with high fives and "nice bike." 2) New user displays a capacity for critical thinking and intelligent debate. 3) New user quickly locks horns with the geezer who began the thing when it was running as a Wildcat BBS in the basement of an atomic ranch home in Glendale AZ. 4) SYCOPHANT DOGPILE! Marv Hushman fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Jun 20, 2011 |
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hayden. posted:Oh god please don't even talk about this, I have mini panic attacks every time I'm on one and look down (there are HUGE ones in Texas at least, like 10+ story building tall). Knowing I'm a single oil slick away from wrecking and flying over the side kills me. Dallas overpasses + Christmas '09 ice storm + Texans who've never seen ice, let alone driven on it or had to remove it = FEAR OF GOD.
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Jun 20, 2011 20:54
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babyeatingpsychopath posted: All motorcycles are crotch rockets or harleys. KozmoNaut posted:Ah-HA, trap sprung! Sportsters are not REAL Harleys... ERGO, a Sportster is an imaginary crotch rocket.
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Jun 26, 2011 19:40
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blugu64 posted:
Beauty bike there... 20 West was apocalyptic, and I know the term gets overused. Vehicles of every description flipped, crashed, and otherwise immobilized on the side of the road...I think I stopped counting at 100. It was Christmas, so they were there for the duration. SUVs shooting onto the highway at speed and out of control, not realizing their traction was coming to an abrupt end. Super ramps that angled skyward and you just sort of prayed you and the semi in front didn't slide backwards from a standstill. Wall to wall traffic near Cisco because no one could negotiate the hills, and the ice had formed this weird stalagmite road surface. Hellish--even with four wheels. Yeehaw!
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Jun 28, 2011 07:14
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hayden. posted:Tassles are one thing I'll never get. It always makes me think of this: These are (or at least were) known as streamers, and they were standard equipment on bicycles for boys and girls for decades. They were more tasteful in that there were 4-6 strands and they didn't look like frickin' pom poms or grass skirts stuck to the end of your bars. Still, they fell out of favor in the 70s and if Schwinn DARED to ship your Lemon Peeler or Stingray with a set of these, it was the first thing to get winged. Related: I've always been repulsed by those leather ponytail protectors, and I finally realized why. As a child, I once came close to stepping on a horseshoe crab in shallow water. Skullcap + ponytail thingy = dead ringer.
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Jul 6, 2011 06:27
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hayden. posted:Is that you, grandpa? Naw, this is Mike Wolfe from American Pickers. 'Sup.
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Jul 6, 2011 14:59
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SaucyPants posted:I don't think the US system works on precedent's isn't US law all codified so they shouldn't have to worry about precedent's being set? Stare Decisis - check it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stare_decisis
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hayden. posted:^^ edit: gaaaaaaahhhh^^ Grandpa strikes again.
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Jul 6, 2011 16:26
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Crayvex posted:It's not as nice as Ola's... No animation. Unanimously rejected by the marketing department.
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Jul 6, 2011 17:57
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Doctor Zero posted:It looks like a 3AM tax service commercial on the WB.
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Jul 6, 2011 20:21
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frozenphil posted:Welcome to an outside view of your posting. I know. Y'all are right. It's time for change. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBcbof6FRqw&feature=related
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Backov posted:I'm fairly sold on them as well, more for the "don't want my face scraped off" factor - but the constant mockery of everything outside the CA hive-mind is pretty tiring. Put another way, there are probably a fair number of riders here who can provide first-hand accounts of their utility in a crash. These are people who are no longer vulnerable to received opinion, which is more or less the point of this thread. The human bod does some amazing stuff in flight, and it only gets better when it returns to earth. It may seem a little counter-intuitive to think that with a set of guns and broad shoulders it would even be possible to make pavement contact with the side of your head, let alone slide for some distance on it. It happens. If there were a gallery of helmet aftermath photos, I believe few would show damage at the very top, which is the skullcap's forte. If a hive-mind existed here, I'd probably be on my SV-650 listening to Avenged Sevenfold on my way to hook up with somebody's hot 21 year old sister right now. None of those appear to be happening, but the day is young...
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Jul 8, 2011 18:04
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Z3n posted:
The few...the proud...the Jesus, how did you manage that one?
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Jul 8, 2011 18:16
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A Duck! posted:One of the big trucks the Navy uses all the time here in San Diego threw a pebble into my Bell Star a few days ago on the freeway. Agreed--never owned one, but wished I had one for about 30 seconds once. Then again, a bee was lodged in my temple area at the time. Speaking of hive...mind...[rimshot]
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Jul 8, 2011 18:25
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MourningGlory posted:Can anyone explain the origin of the old school fear of the front brake? I've heard it a million times from old guys, but I've never understood why they think touching the lever will send them flying over the bars. If these people attended MSF for 3 minutes--pick any 3--I don't know how it would be possible to miss the braking power ratios being presented at least once. They come right out and tell you it's on BOTH WRITTEN TESTS. Is this a retention problem? I'll be the first to admit that this info was a revelation, which made it even more sticky than the rest of the facts presented. My theory is that the behavior is rooted in childhood bicycle experience. Locking the rear wheel was just the thing to do, as kids inevitably got into longest skid contests. There was nothing cool at all going on with the front brake, assuming you even had one, and everyone knew "some kid" that had flown over the bars after using it. Keep in mind I'm not talking about modern purpose-built stunt bikes, which are pretty much capable of anything. Yo Daddy's Schwinn did not do stoppies...
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Raven457 posted:Time for me to get on my Ninja 250, turn up Bat Country and gently caress someone's sister. Z3n posted:You could be doing the hokey pokey naked while standing on your gas tank while blasting the soothing strains of Simon and Garfunkel and they still wouldn't notice you. Awright. Operation: Mindhive in full effect.
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SaucyPants posted:Canada must be the bizarro world of motorcycles. The local biker bar is full of a lot of cool guys who just like to ride. Mind you some of them do wear the brain buckets and just a leather vest but for the most part they are actually a really good group and when I show up in my ninja they seem genuinely interested in it.I find more image conscious riders on sportbikes and get more waves from Harley's than I do Sportbikes, still get the most waves from touring bikes though. Canada is just cool, period. They're running a cool surplus. They could export the stuff, but they'd have no use for the proceeds. When I went to London I wanted to stay. If I ever made it to Toronto, I probably would.
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LPSL is nothing but a mildly clever bumper sticker that somehow became another factoid propagated by people unable to grasp concepts that cannot be reduced to four words. I think it'd be interesting to trace the origins--it probably has its roots in advertising. I've spent some time on both sides of this, and at the risk of pontification, I'll make a few observations. First, by "loud," I think volume is sort of secondary--it's the percussion that drives people insane. You're setting off car alarms in the wee hours. Waking up babies that sleep a grand total of 29 minutes on a good night. In the morning, you're firing this thing up on full choke for a minute or more, which just amplifies it 5x. On the other side of those rattling windows, it isn't Ward Cleaver looking up quizzically from his morning paper. It's somebody putting his fist through a wall, yelling at a kid, running downstairs in boxers to make sure the Taurus isn't getting boosted, etc. What chain of events have you just set in motion in the name of gaining 7 largely imaginary horsepower and prolonging the life of a self-centered human being? In some quarters, dogs are shot for less. You want real rebellion? Read a goddamn book. Do something memorable, because from the seat of that soundproof Escalade all the world is a silent film anyway, and that's before the Jay-Z and subwoofer kick in. After it comes in for the kill, the bike will get 8 seconds of airtime on the evening news, and no one save a handful of morbid bike nerds will be looking for a Vance and Hines logo.
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Z3n posted:They're like 2 sides of an amazing coin. Either way it lands, you win. Hmmm...what would such a coin look like....diddloo...diddloo...diddloo...diddloo... Nice execution, but taking up 3/4 of the coin might be construed as symbolic of American hegemony and resource consumption. Next...  Religion is always nice, but not when it's sponsored by a motorcycle company. Besides, neither one of them qualifies for sainthood. Next...  Hmm...good starting point. Get me a mock-up that completely rips it off. Rock stars do it with classic bebop albums all the time to promote the illusion of seriousness and musical ability...  There, that's got it. Now farm it out to someone with actual talent and get it done up properly... 
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sirbeefalot posted:I'd throw this poo poo in the quote thread if it required a little less backstory. I think a new inside joke is born here every 48 hours, which is why I have no idea what a "baglbeabs" is... Also: Fellow Harley riders: know that the parts counter people don't know their arse from a hole in the ground when it comes to correct brake fluid types for a given year/model, even when equipped with a computer and parts database. It isn't entirely their fault--the MoCo has swapped back and forth between 5 and 4 in recent years. The ultimate authority will be your reservoir cover, where it will be plainly written. This goes beyond inconvenience when they sell you the wrong stuff, and they happily will, to the point of disagreeing with you over the correct spec. The issue is that mixing 5 with anything else will promptly turn your brake system into a silicone booger factory. By most accounts, the only solution is to dismantle the entire system and start over, because it doesn't flush.
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ReelBigLizard posted:baglbeabs* is the Joker to Ola's Dark Knight. We all have our personal demons and arch enemies, but their names rarely contain a special character. This must be one...special character.
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frozenphil posted:It's getting reeeeal nerdy up in here. Go...hence...with diligence! To the questions forum that is, where it be equally nerdy up in there
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Crayvex posted:One of the directors at work saw me in my moto gear and said we should race sometime. I literally laughed out loud at the thought of his Harley going against my R6. I asked him if it was his bike outside with the novelty skid lid. He then proceeded to tell me how he had to "lay er down" when he hit some gravel and was going to slide over an embankment. His son went flying off the back and he broke two ribs but he was wearing his skid lid and by golly that's all he needs. Child dies in horrific vehicular fireball...that story, after a word from Yamaha, now offering 3.9% 15-year financing on all buddy packs during the Time To Ride Sales Event. We'll be right back after these messages.
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Z3n posted:In retrospect, I shouldn't have said "minor wiggles". I should have said "the bike may move around, but the total effect of the gravel on your line will be minor". This can get thorny in the case of a Michigan U, which you occasionally have to enter coming down from 50+, swinging around into an imminent stop or throttle up. It is possible to get "escorted" into them at speeds you wouldn't ordinarily select. Combine this with the occasional right turning traffic from the other side of the road, and the fun never stops. They're gravel pits and collection points for car accident detritus, and never get cleaned. You're right, it doesn't represent an automatic drop, as long as you're scanning for it--usually because you're once bitten, twice shy.
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Niven posted:I was at a gas station the other day when someone came up and asked if I was in the hells angels.. Sonny Barger rides a Victory Vision. Your supermoto is ten times more badass and gangsta.
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nsaP posted:I was laughing at 800 for a sportster but you guys can continue to have a thing Not even for an AMF Ironhead in a Rubbermaid container with the electricity shut off, two kids in jail, and a visitor named Vito who wants to have a word or two with you about your gambling problem.
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Snowdens Secret posted:So what are the rules on used Harley prices? My local CL is full of 10+ year old bikes (mostly of depressingly low mileage) for drat near new prices, and I never see even the cruddiest horked-up Sportster list under about $4K unless it's literally a pile if parts in a box. Is the idea that the new ones aren't any different, so age is irrelevant? Is the part-out value just really that high? Or are Harley sellers crazy / the Harley badge on anything that desirable? Keep in mind that I view the world through Great Lakes glasses, but it seems to go something like this: $2500 = floor for a roadworthy, kick-only Ironhead. $4000 = floor for a rubbermount era 883 and slightly beyond. $5500 = floor for a rubbermount era 1200, drops off beyond that $7000 = floor for Dynas and Gen 1 V-Rods Beyond that, I don't really pay much attention. There's been renewed interest in older Ironheads, so they tend to be in the 4K range, depending on how much customization has been done. You're right, there seems to be market saturation, so you'd wonder why prices wouldn't drop further as a result. I can think of no compelling reason to go to a dealership at this end of the spectrum, beyond financing and warranty protection because, as you point out, the bikes tend to have low miles.
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iwentdoodie posted:While looking at cruisers with a friend of mine, the salesman walks up. Bad form, but at least he walked up. In an HD dealership, there would have been half a dozen people in cubes that might occasionally glance in your direction and go right back to playing Bejeweled. At least I think those are salespeople. If I ran the show, I would flip the place upside down on day one. Half of these idiots have to use the hunt and peck method to type anyway. Blow away the pseudo offices, salesmen make SALES, and the out of sight backoffice wonks run the credit checks and contracts. And when they're not chatting up live customers, they're working the phones and trying to get the Susquehanna PD to switch to HD. Oi vey, again with the ranting... I watched exactly one episode of Sons, and for about a week I was overcome with self-loathing and a need to bathe six times a day. My rationale for checking it out had to do with its longevity--if a show makes it to a 5th season and beyond, SURELY it must have some merit, maybe even as a guilty pleasure. Um...a thousand times no.
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Sagebrush posted:So I did, and I got a bike as a project to restore over time to make it clear that I was being methodical and careful instead of just getting something to rip around on for no reason. Now I catch him sitting on the bike in the garage and pretending to ride it. A barrier to entry that should be more common. I suppose you're less inclined to thrash a bike that's running on sweat equity. This is the kind of logic that was applied to first cars once upon a time.
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The cager thing isn't an us/them proposition. Who hasn't come off a cold ride that stretched your faculties to the limit, where the last 10 miles seemed like a hundred, then hopped in a car and stared at the heater like it was the Holy Grail? It's degenerated into bumpersticker wisdom, and HD doesn't help by putting it in their ads. One wonders: do these cages they would have us despise include Harley edition Ford trucks? I think Pirsig said it best: In a car you're always in a compartment, and because you're used to it you don't realize that through that car window everything you see is just more TV. You're a passive observer and it is all moving by you boringly in a frame. On a cycle the frame is gone. You're completely in contact with it all. You're in the scene, not just watching it anymore, and the sense of presence is overwhelming. Of course, this was written before actual TVs made it into the figurative TVs, so now they're not even observers, passive or otherwise. Re: walking vs driving/riding - without a motorcycle, I would have never truly understood that Hill Valley still exists. The self-contained towns with clock towers and solvent banks, maybe a functional barber pole, and God knows what for an economic base. They call these walkable communities now, and as bikers, that's what we do with them, at least for a little while. We're like space aliens, sizing the place up, absorbing the vibe, picking brains, sampling wares, and then it's right back to the ship toward some other random dot on the map. Who in a car even sees these places? So, here's hoping some of you goons become regional planners.
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nsaP posted:Yeah, and this isn't a thread about emissions or dumb goons ideas on how to stop the scourge of distracted drivers. God forbid an intelligent thought bubbles up through the morass of played out observations regarding the HD universe. Congratulations, you've earned your Webelos Junior Moderator Activity Badge.
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Bow TIE Fighter posted:Thanks to the internet, I just learned that the big bad biker dude is riding a 500cc Honda. (I thought I saw a radiator and became suspicious.) Leonard Smalls. Big feller. Rides a Harley. Dresses like a rock star. Well, Nathan Arizona got two out of three right...
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Deeters posted:I found an article a friend of my dad wrote and thought it went well in here. He's talking about fishing for the first half or so, so you can just skip that part. I am profoundly saddened by this article because: - It is what currently passes for moto journalism. - It made it to their print edition. - It is supposed to be a bench/tech column. - It was written in Connecticut, a place where children are issued a Roget's desk set and The Elements of Style while in the womb. I know people like this. For them, every transaction or human interaction ends in a perceived slight, a conspiracy, or a federal case. To those who get edged about the "real bike" nonsense, think of it this way--what three things would you say to a forestry major at a party? Hint: they will be either popular misconceptions, pop culture references, or begin with the phrase Remember that dude who. Up yours if you said the three hidden dangers of conifer topping.
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nsaP posted:I'd probably ask if they drive a CR-V. I never knew topping was an issue until today but of course you bring it up right after I see this car Crayvex posted:Oh Marv, always keeping it real. That was just a cleverly disguised topping awareness public service announcement wrapped in self-righteous criticism and some bloviating about how we're all misunderstood. And it worked.
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KARMA! posted:Is "what the gently caress does a forestry major do" a correct thing to say? because I would say that. Because I would want to know why a forestry major is at the party I am also at. I would probably say When are you gonna change to a REAL major? And then they'd probably write an article about the incident in Forest Science Quarterly. And someone in SA would point out how terrible it was, and...
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MotoMind posted:Lubricating an o-ring chain is like waterproofing an otter. This rules, and is hereby nominated for inclusion in Zen's Compendium of CA Pithy Quotes and Fractured Fables. I think I have 1-2 Content: I am beginning to reach the conclusion that the whole "I know a guy who carried spark plugs and ball bearings while he rode" business is complete bullshit. I've heard it several times and never really thought much about it. Like most, I'm so diverted by the evil genius and instant karma that I fail to apply any logic. After hearing it for the 147th time today, I gave it a few cranks. So...we're rolling down the highway and some unthinkable effrontery has taken place. The gauntlet thus dropped, our hero makes his way ahead of the bounder and unleashes said projectiles. Assuming these things reach the intended target (with zero collateral damage), we now have a driver with a dented hood, cracked windshield, seized serpentine belt, disfigured face, whatever. Knowing full well that this isn't a meteor shower, the driver is even more unhinged. Having established in these very pages that it is extremely difficult to outrun a sufficiently insane driver, where does this leave us? Does spark plug boy's Ironhead bobber miraculously reach Warp 7? Does the driver instantly see the error of his ways? EDIT: Throwing missiles at a motor vehicle is a Class 4 felony in some states. Marv Hushman fucked around with this message at 04:35 on May 4, 2012 |
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