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Rupert Buttermilk posted:While I didn't love it, I enjoyed Borderlands 2 enough. I liked 1 while I was playing it, but I feel like 2 rendered it obsolete, for lack of a better term. The TLDR is better gameplay, but worse story beats and dialogue.
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What if Handsome Jack was two people and those two people were someone's idea of a hilarious send up of an influencer/cult leader?
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Borderlands 3 is a real shame because the gameplay and mechanics are all huge steps forward but the writing is aggressively bad - and that's coming from someone that has gone on the record as liking Borderlands 2's writing and humorGrimthwacker posted:It's purely "zoomer humor", with some very dumb story beats and the most unlikable new characters in the series. I would hesitate to even call it "zoomer humor", more like "boomers making fun of what they think zoomers like humor"
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:While I didn't love it, I enjoyed Borderlands 2 enough. I liked 1 while I was playing it, but I feel like 2 rendered it obsolete, for lack of a better term. Gonna chime in with everybody else and agree that BL3 is a great mechanical improvement over its predecessors while its story is somehow simultaneously dull and a trash fire.
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Play the Pre-Sequel, I felt the jump packs were a fun addition and the added verticality really does a lot for the formula. I honestly don't remember a drat thing about the writing though, it's been a minute.
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repiv posted:didn't someone figure out that if you delete certain package files in BL3 it mercifully just skips all the dialogue if you delete enough you can skip the whole game!!
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Deakul posted:Play the Pre-Sequel, I felt the jump packs were a fun addition and the added verticality really does a lot for the formula. People really hate TPS for reasons. It's a little jank around the edges but I thought it stood out in a good way as someone who played too much of 1 and 2. The writing is messy but has its moments. The Claptrap DLC is actually pretty legit too, massively overtuned endboss aside... DoombatINC posted:Borderlands 3 is a real shame because the gameplay and mechanics are all huge steps forward but the writing is aggressively bad - and that's coming from someone that has gone on the record as liking Borderlands 2's writing and humor As someone who also generally likes the writing in the games more than dislikes it, it worries me when other people in that boat say that no, 3 really is THAT bad. 
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John Murdoch posted:As someone who also generally likes the writing in the games more than dislikes it, it worries me when other people in that boat say that no, 3 really is THAT bad.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuV_9XW8ymo i appreciate how "can it run Doom" is being taken to new heights by zoomers
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John Murdoch posted:As someone who also generally likes the writing in the games more than dislikes it, it worries me when other people in that boat say that no, 3 really is THAT bad. The worst part of it is that you can't skip any of it. 2 let you walk away from characters as they talked and you could do your own thing but 3 makes you stand there and listen to the stupid dialogue and then hit a button to confirm they're done talking.
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Next game they're gonna quiz you after the dialogue to make sure you were paying attention
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John Murdoch posted:As someone who also generally likes the writing in the games more than dislikes it, it worries me when other people in that boat say that no, 3 really is THAT bad. I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy some of the lines and cracked a laugh with my friends more then once, but that might have been the company that helped as we mercilessly made fun of the worse lines and were all "yeah... no that was actually good." for the better ones. We weren't always talking over the game too, it had its moments where the three of us shut up and listened, so there's that. Also I actually like the two dumb influencers as the antagonists. They're just so hateable. I know I'm being played by the game, but I like it. Plus there's some backstory here and there. Its ok. I don't think they're as good as jack, but I also don't think chasing jack's thunder would have been a very good idea either. Their they're own brand of assholes in a universe full of them. Rebranding the short people as tinks tho? Wow. That always felt so greasy. One of my buddies (para)phrased it thus; "its like its somehow more offensive while having less reason to be so". And I don't give a rat's arse they're short for Tinkerers. Anyway I like TPS best when it comes to the writing, so obviously this entire post can be discarded.  Milo and POTUS posted:Next game they're gonna quiz you after the dialogue to make sure you were paying attention By claptrap, who will get half the questions wrong anyway, and the entire thing will involve you sitting on a chair with explosives under it. That are duds. Wacky! Thyrork fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Apr 29, 2024 |
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Thyrork posted:Also I actually like the two dumb influencers as the antagonists. They're just so hateable. I know I'm being played by the game, but I like it. Plus there's some backstory here and there. Its ok. For as little as I know about the game in practice I do like the concept too.
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Brutal difficulty on ultrakill is very hard. I would not advise starting on it. I mean I've p ranked everything up to the first gabe fight which I think is gonna be a pain but I've also got a ton of hours in it already
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I actually remember liking the writing in BL3 a little better than BL2. While BL2 has Handsome Jack and he's a wonderfully hateable douche, there's still a lot of really dull writing and exposition that is only performed in a cartoonish and jokey matter by annoying characters, like they had wrote a single good character and came up with some funny ideas in the beginning, and then bolted onto it a generic sci-fi script that they then punched up post-hoc and directed the VA to ad-lib some of their own performances with the direction of being "as annoying as possible." It also has a dramatic arc in the game that falls completely on it's face. It's the product of the writing team being led by someone who wrote early internet shorts and liked Judd Apatow movies. BL3 has a lot more setup and payoff in it's humor, there are more premises in the game that are creatively funny, subversive, and serves to develop the characters in the world. An example of this is the story beat where they introduce you a angsty teenage character, and a villain steals her diary and reads it over the comms device to humiliate her, and the diary is a trauma journal that's filled with pages about her family getting murdered and her village being destroyed, but the villain delivers the passages like a bully in a nick toons show humiliating a classmate. It's a subversive premise that pushes the development of this angsty teenager forward, showing you her motives and backstory in a black comedy sort of way that is conducive to the humor of the franchise that is done in a technically better way than anything you would see in BL1 and BL2. But the issue is that all the characters and the performances feel a lot more juvenile, even if it was technically better written. There's no straight men or dull moments for the juvenile characters and humor to balance itself with, so you're completely immersed in a universe that is up past it's bedtime. It's the product of the writing team being led by the person who created Tiny Tina and filled with people who wrote for things like Skylanders. Automata 10 Pack fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Apr 29, 2024 |
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Yeah, all of that valid critique and insightful observation goes right out the window when you're actually playing the game and being forced to put up with the execution.
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Deakul posted:Yeah, all of that valid critique and insightful observation goes right out the window when you're actually playing the game and being forced to put up with the execution. There's also so many things that are just wretched - like without thinking especially hard Tannis took Angel's siren powers, somehow, and didn't tell anyone! Lilith has to suddenly self-sacrifice because people remembered when a main character from a previous game died in BL2! The First Vault Hunter isn't a big hunk after all but actually a borderline offensive "from New York" caricature! Did you meet the French monk? He like-aaa da wiiine, hon hon hon! - just every second there's a new thing that completely sucks, it doesn't matter if the rebar in the story's structure is sound when the drywall is rotted and the paint is dog puke
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Al Cu Ad Solte posted:Borderlands series sucks total rear end in a top hat and I will never forgive Gearbox for popularizing (or inventing?) the loathsome looter shooter genre. 
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Alternatively, just go play Telltale's Borderlands. It somehow vibes on the same wavelength of the series' humor but is actually like... funny?
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I've been playing Tiny Tina's Wonderlands, only because it was free on PS+. It's..fine? I don't hate what they've done to fantasy-ify the guns. I'm still pretty early at least. e: I take it back, I just found Claptrap suuma fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Apr 29, 2024 |
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DoombatINC posted:There's also so many things that are just wretched - like without thinking especially hard Tannis took Angel's siren powers, somehow, and didn't tell anyone! Lilith has to suddenly self-sacrifice because people remembered when a main character from a previous game died in BL2! The First Vault Hunter isn't a big hunk after all but actually a borderline offensive "from New York" caricature! Did you meet the French monk? He like-aaa da wiiine, hon hon hon! - just every second there's a new thing that completely sucks, it doesn't matter if the rebar in the story's structure is sound when the drywall is rotted and the paint is dog puke That first spoiled bit almost sort of follows on from something established in 2, but looking it up on the wiki even there they're like  about why or how it actually happens so welp.
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suuma posted:I've been playing Tiny Tina's Wonderlands, only because it was free on PS+. I just wish there was more variety with the guns rather than just crossbow pistol variation #31416472637526 or fireball cannon variation #542378649 and that the overworld wasn't the way that it is.(top down view and highly restricted map)
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Narcissus1916 posted:Alternatively, just go play Telltale's Borderlands. It somehow vibes on the same wavelength of the series' humor but is actually like... funny? Tales from the Borderlands is the only borderlands game I've played, and it's legit just a really good time. Genuinely funny, has fun characters and a good story. Now, New Tales, meanwhile, I've only heard very bad things about it.
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Milo and POTUS posted:I've never played a borderlands and I never will
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I hate the whole Diablo-style constantly upgrading to slightly better spec’d gear poo poo. The bright spot with Borderlands printing money is that it’s kept Randy from loving with stuff I actually care about for a while.
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Duke... bet on... I do. - Yoda On Borderlands, beat 2 co-op with my brother, we also played like 60% of pt 1, and yeah that's enough Borderlands for me. It was fine as a co-op thingy.
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Something like Halo is a better co-op shooter though. Borderlands is purely for people that had their brains broken by diablo and demand numbers go up. Which is fine, but it still makes me groan when someone asks to play it.
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I've played them all asides from that Tiny Tina side game and was a massive Diablo (and other loot based arpg) pervert and I can honestly say, even though the slooter thing is supposed to be the series' selling point it also holds the game back so hard. Partially it's my own fault, right? Because I'm a retro shooter player at heart, I want that beautiful Doom load out, I want a reliable toolkit. Instead though I need to swap in new guns every X levels to feel like I can keep dps up and it would always lead to using guns who's gimmick is annoying or missing an elemental advantage because suddenly I've no fire weapons for example. And then to me that's when the game stops working quite as well, you get on the loot treadmill or you die over and over again to enemies that feel spongy because they outclass your weapons. So you start opening the 30 loot containers strewn over every location, hammering or holding E on everything hoping for more loot rolls, which then slows down your advancement through the game. Game could have used some sort of upgrade mechanic... like most ARPGs. Slot gems or feed guns into your gun, keep it competitive if you like how it handles, keeps you looting guns but with a slightly different goal in mind. 3 remains the only one I've never completed, because after 4 very long games (and dlc) were I would just slightly fall behind level progression, hitting combat encounters just became tedious and I had better things to be doing. Also Randy Pitchford is genuinely dodgy and keeps screwing people over and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Also also Jesus Christ is there anyone alive who actually enjoys Claptrap? I understand, to an extent, that I'm being trolled every time he speaks or is on screen, and it's good to have contempt for your audience, but I've had hundreds of hours spent with this character who is barely even one note. The best Claptrap stuff is the DLC spent in his brain, but he's a vein that's totally tapped out Shoehead fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Apr 30, 2024 |
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Shoehead posted:Also also Jesus Christ is there anyone alive who actually enjoys Claptrap? I have to admit, the Borderlands humour kinda works for me, and I do like Claptrap. He's the worst! He's awful! I cackled like a loving loon when I played 2 with my friend and we did his birthday mission. I love that little bastard, I hope more awful poo poo happens to him. I only played 2 to completion, and that was with a friend. I enjoyed it, but my biggest problem was that I was playing the mechromancer, and my first build was so wildly overpowered that my friend had to ask me to respec so she could actually get to shoot something, and then my next build had a problem where every... ten levels or so I'd have a run of five levels where I was just wildly underpowered and everything was a bulletsponge. Oddly, for as much as I love Diablo 1, I'm actually not enamoured with the loot-heavy trend of its sequel and the games that try to do the same style, including the shlooters. I loving hate when you get so much loot that 99.9% of is loving trash you're just gonna sell. I hate loot filters! If you're giving so much loot that you need to filter out crap, you hosed up the design! I don't find taking 30 minutes to sort through all the crap only to find none of it is worthwhile to be particularly pleasant and seeing loot fountains gives me no pleasure since I know pretty much none of it is going to be worthwhile. Anyways, just to add, gently caress Randy.
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catlord posted:Oddly, for as much as I love Diablo 1, I'm actually not enamoured with the loot-heavy trend of its sequel and the games that try to do the same style, including the shlooters. I loving hate when you get so much loot that 99.9% of is loving trash you're just gonna sell. I hate loot filters! If you're giving so much loot that you need to filter out crap, you hosed up the design! I don't find taking 30 minutes to sort through all the crap only to find none of it is worthwhile to be particularly pleasant and seeing loot fountains gives me no pleasure since I know pretty much none of it is going to be worthwhile. Leveled loot sucks in any game or genre, the best parts of a game like Baldur's Gate II or Morrowind were when you found something well ahead of the power curve for your level, often after having to use all your ingenuity to defeat an encounter above said level.
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A frequently forgotten thing is that aside from the (crappy) Robo Revolution DLC, Claptrap isn't even in the first game that much. All of his infamously grating hijinks were in the promotional videos. But people hated him so they leaned into it for 2 and I think they mostly pull it off because they're self-aware about it. And again, he's not actually in that much of the game, though his presence is felt a lot more than in 1. I'm not a big loot game fan myself, so that's not what brings me to Borderlands. I'm an open world freak instead.  I do think even before 3 the shooting is marginally better than people give it credit for, but I don't blame them for not seeing it because the games are not well balanced. Loot can be very spotty, with the obvious problem that once you dip below the expected baseline you feel it. And, despite being touted as and ostensibly designed to be co-op experiences, the co-op scaling is just awful and magnifies all of the other problems.
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Casimir Radon posted:I hate the whole Diablo-style constantly upgrading to slightly better spec’d gear poo poo. It kept Randy so far from Colonial Marines that he handed it to another studio entirely
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Fil5000 posted:It kept Randy so far from Colonial Marines that he handed it to another studio entirely While embezzling the development funds
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Angry_Ed posted:While embezzling the development funds And spending it at Medieval Times
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Angry_Ed posted:While embezzling the development funds I heard he poured them all into a giant upturned magician's hat and when he turned it back over the money had disappeared!
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