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Its possible that people skip the Dany chapters because they find them to be horribly written and/or boring. But I guess those opinions don't count unless they actually read said chapters, and when they turn out to be indeed boring, then that opinion is also invalid for some reason? I don't skip and enjoyed the book but if an entire plotline cannot keep a reader's attention enough for them to even be bothered to read it, the author has failed as a writer, at least for a subset of readers. I'd say thats a valid point of view.
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Azure_Horizon posted:I don't think he writes these books to please everyone. In fact, that's the worst thing you could do as a writer. I'm not saying he aims to please everyone, or even anyone, nor should he do so. And skipping chapters is kind of weird anyway, might as well stop reading it altogether. But even then, if you literally cannot finish a book because of percieved quality, then why does that not count as an opinion? Why put in the extra time investment on something you find unenjoyable? And if a movie was bad enough to stop halfway, then you can absolutely still make a quality judgement. Despite whatever the second half is like, it fails as a movie (on an individual level, of course) if you can't make it that far. You should be able to discuss why you disliked something enough not to finish it, we have an entire thread about "books you couldn't finish".
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Aug 1, 2011 06:30
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Aug 2, 2011 04:06
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Bran is a selfish dick, he keeps mindraping Hodor because he feels 'left out' when the others go exploring.
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Aug 2, 2011 07:24
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Glug_Glug posted:"...She's been loving Lancel and Osmund Kettleblack and Moon Boy for all I know..." "I'm looking for a maid, three and ten..." WHERE DO WHORES GO?! Did Raff the Sweetling and Dunsen die? I want Arya to find out out some of these bros are dead. Gregor is technically dead, at least.
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Aug 3, 2011 11:27
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Truly horrifying. Looks like art from a brochure on eating fruits and veggies, featuring a kid named Bobby B.
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Aug 4, 2011 01:31
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Somebody turned out to be totally wrong. The two big sequences the entire book leads up to? Nobody will missing reading those! There's already enough RAD poo poo going down for ten books! Like that part where Tyrion vomits from alcohol poisoning for the third time, what a joker he is!
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Aug 4, 2011 22:50
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Wex is a Braavosi Swordmaster.
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Aug 5, 2011 11:19
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ThaGhettoJew posted:Reek, it rhymes with FORT FREAK: A WILD CARDStm "NOVEL" (Edited by George R.R. Martin) Beat me to it, rear end in a top hat. I'm not sure that Theon's childkilling is even looked down upon at all un the books, lords get away with that poo poo all the time and nobody gives a gently caress. At least Roose "Michael" Bolton doesn't.
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Aug 5, 2011 23:05
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lapse posted:
That old hag tried to scare Bran, that bitch. This series is filled with terrible people. We root for some and hate others, yet their actions are not so different. Except for the darkest of stars Ser Gerold Dayne, the Sword of the Twilight and a paragon of justice.
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Aug 6, 2011 01:30
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Winds of Winter book one: the first book ever to be printed on pizza crust.
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Aug 6, 2011 03:37
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I think the correct resolution to this inane argument is to say "gently caress all words" and move on.
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Aug 7, 2011 06:00
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Quantify! posted:She was complicit. She's an evil scheming child and should die. You are a bad person. Margaery is hot and doesn't have saggy titties so she should live. Maybe she can roll with my homie Lancel and do some good in the world!
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Aug 9, 2011 03:18
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The Lies of Locke Lamora was pretty good on its own, I haven't read the second one and I will eventually, but its not like I'm dying to find out what happens next. GRRM on the other hand...
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Aug 9, 2011 08:25
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Did GRRM actually say there would be no new POVs? He will throw in more if the story requires it. Dany is likeable through GoT when you think shes going to start wrecking poo poo, but after that... If she is the "main" character I will be disappointed. I hope Ramsay starts setting up Saw-like traps around Winterfell.
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Aug 10, 2011 00:18
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Dany can still get sick, it happened when she ate the shitberries she thought she saw someone maybe feed to a horse once. I laughed so hard at that part, it reminded me if those little red berries in the woods your parents always told you not to eat.
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Aug 10, 2011 06:55
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Dany can still get sick, it happened when she ate the shitberries she thought she saw someone maybe feed to a horse once. I laughed so hard at that part, it reminded me if those little red berries in the woods your parents always told you not to eat.
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Aug 10, 2011 06:56
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hellbastard posted:They still look delicious to me. Ah the literal forbidden fruit, a metaphor for ~Daario~ who will not coincidentally also give people the shits. Edit: that article was interesting but it was interesting to see someone who didn't like Theon's chapters.
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Aug 10, 2011 09:51
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YES bread posted:Disease and poison are kiiiind of different things. Not when you are a dragon!! Dragons got fire kidneys and lava livers!
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Aug 10, 2011 22:35
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gently caress oaths, Jaime Lannister style. Jon was too stupid to pull it off. Two hours of planning my rear end.
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Aug 12, 2011 04:24
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Guy A. Person posted:Yeah that is what I was saying, but my point was how would Jon know or care who Reek was in order for it to convince him it was Ramsay. Unless Mance had reason to suspect someone from Winterfell escaped and made it to the wall. But how ridiculous would it be if someone was like "Yeah, that can't be Ramsay, he doesn't even mention Reek in that letter! Usually he won't shut up about that guy!" I don't think Jon needed convincing it was Ramsay's letter. He just assumed it was. I like to think Ramsay is just freaking out and has tortured a spearwife/Mance. Mance sending the letter is dumb and doesn't make much sense. I like Mance too but the dude's in some trouble right now, not setting up some masterstroke.
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Aug 12, 2011 20:49
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"Words are wind" is just a more polite "your word is worth a mummer's fart".
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Aug 13, 2011 06:16
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Obara is just chasing Darkstar to get the kingsguard killed, and to recruit Darkstar to the cause. You want the most dangerous man in Dorne, if not all of Westeros, on your side in a fight.
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Aug 14, 2011 00:01
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Penny is gay too, and a man, did.you miss that as well?
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Aug 21, 2011 23:57
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Barristan is like soft gay, everyone in this book is a homosexual
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Aug 22, 2011 00:39
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Lester B. Pearson posted:Where does it say Dolorous Edd is gay? I never thought of him that way. I guess your not gay then. e: but yeah 'dolorous' is a pretty big hint
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Aug 22, 2011 05:25
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Unzip and Attack posted:So if the people "willing to go to" such lengths to purposefully not recognize a character's homosexuality aren't motivated by homophobia, what magical force is guiding them? Bad reading abilities.
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Aug 22, 2011 05:40
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enigma74 posted:EActually if Dolorous Edd was gay, it would make perfect sense as to why Jon sent him away to be steward of the spearwife-only restored fort with Iron Emmett. Pretty much. Edd never catches a fuckin break. Unzip and Attack posted:You know people who make the conscious effort to read poorly? Yes. Me, that way I can be surprised on re reads.
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Aug 22, 2011 06:12
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I think it needs to be said again that most of the male homosexuality is only hinted at or mentioned in hushed tones, while female homosexuality is graphically depicted and absurdly fetishistic.
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Aug 22, 2011 06:42
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Unzip and Attack posted:Yep, I hate all minorities subconsciously and all you said was that Connington was gay - you didn't make any sort of assertions about the people who didn't catch that. You win! Pretty much bro. e: for the sake of actual content, is the chapter GRRM read from the other day available to read anywhere, or is only a synopsis out there? e2: I think Benjen might be gay too. bigmcgaffney fucked around with this message at 07:41 on Aug 22, 2011 |
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Aren't you going to look dumb when Possible Gay Jon Connington describes his dream in which he plunges his griffin into Rhaegar's anus!! The (non) argument was not that you guys are noted homophobes. That would be possible reason for missing the subtext, as shown in the TVIV threads when Renly was outed as a homosexual to the amazement of a bunch of gibbering retards. You guys were just accused of being bad readers, although missing subtext in a paragraph flashback by a minor POV is easy to do. bigmcgaffney fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Aug 22, 2011 |
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Habibi posted:I think you meant to say 'Rhaegar's Roost.' Griffin plunges into the roost. I knew I was missing something, thanks for that. I hope Dany comes over in the next book, and whether she succeeds is irrelevant if only the two greatest characters get to meet up and be best bros/homosexual lovers. Of course I am referring to Darkstar, sexually confused youth and Daario, possible bisexual (blue hair).
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Aug 22, 2011 23:58
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Ross posted:Mayhaps I also suck at reading but I honestly haven't picked up on any of these characters being gay. Connington maybe if you really want to perceive him as a gay character, but I can't remember reading a single passage that made me think Renly/Loras/Blackfish/D.Edd are gay. Blackfish - confirmed bachelor, refuses to marry Renly and Loras - many other characters reference their gay love, especially Jaime and Littlefinger D. Edd - Brother of the nights watch, has that vibe I missed Renly being gay the first time I read it too, but I was as aforementioned, a bad reader, and young.
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Aug 23, 2011 02:14
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Mr.Brinks posted:Uhh don't you think if Edd liked women he would have said so? He's never been mentioned to go to Moles Town either. And Selmy pining over Ashara Dayne means little or less, Ashara is almost irresistible to every character that has interacted with her.
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Aug 23, 2011 04:21
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Unzip and Attack posted:In Westeros, it certainly is. I for one enjoyed figuring it out somewhere near the end of the first book and facepalming at the myriad of small hints that GRRM left for the reader along the way. Being hoodwinked by a good writer is fun - I don't know why it always has to be about homophobia. Yeah as the last couple posters said hes not trying to hoodwink you and keep it a secret so much as none of the POVs are in a situation to check out Renly/Loras firsthand, and the comments are pretty blatant by book 2. Its cool you like discovering deeper meanings and I don't think you're homophobic but GRRM doesnt mean it to be a puzzle.
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Aug 23, 2011 06:55
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NihilCredo posted:My favourite example of GoT-related goon witch hunting was when, around episode 5 or so, some guy said that people who don't like Arya are obviously misogynists who feel threatened by strong female characters, and a few pages later a different self-appointed defensor oppressorum popped up to claim that Arya-fans are obviously misogynists because "[they] only like female characters when they exhibit masculine traits" I think the conclusion here is that all goons who enjoy fantasy are misogynistic simply by definition
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Aug 24, 2011 01:22
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The Ashara is Lenore theory is nice and could be correct but one would think Tyrion, smartest man in the land, would notice she had purple eyes or something else to identify her. He outed Aegon and J-Con pretty quickly.
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Aug 25, 2011 09:14
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kcroy posted:Has noone noticed that Tyrion does a loving cartwheel?!?1111one How did he learn it again? His uncle taught him tumbling or some poo poo like that? Bet he can ride the pommel horse better than Cersei can ride the Kettleblacks.
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Eggnogium posted:Why is it blind faith? Some of us actually like the last two books, you know. Yeah, some people actually finished reading them too. I thought Gerion went to Valyria to retrieve the Lannister ancestral sword.
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