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TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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whowhatwhere posted:

Follow by example?

Anyway, RIP Bad Thread. Hello....um, whatever the hell this is.

this is the 'post here to get probation' thread.

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TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

Oh, look, someone who doesn't match the physique at all and may very well destroy her preexisting career in any attempt to match it. Brilliant casting, that.

I'm afraid some fans disagree with you, good SER.

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"Brienne is my favourite character in the entire series..."

"Great choice! :D I can't wait to see her as Brienne :D"

"I love her eyes. This is great casting choice."

"PERFECT"

"Gwendoline was my dream Brienne! I'm so happy she got the part!!"


I was sort of hoping they would remove Brienne from the HBO show...

Oh snap.. big news from the NAB!

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I should stress that this is a Wild Cards signing. NO COPIES OF DANCE WITH DRAGONS WILL BE ON SALE! I may be able to autograph some of your Ice & Fire books, if time permits, but probably not more than one, and only with a purchase of FORT FREAK. And in the talk and the Q&A session, we'll be talking about Wild Cards, not the new Ice & Fire book or the HBO show. Sorry, but to let GAME OF THRONES take over the session would not be fair to the other writers.

TERFherder fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Jul 9, 2011

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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Ixian posted:

At some point though doesn't it just become a little tiresome to keep bitching about it?

At some point doesn't it just become a bit tiresome to come to the bad thread and tell people what is OK to post about?

I see a ton of book talk going on... maybe there should be a separate thread for people who want to bitch about the bad thread.

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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Aurubin posted:

he's just an angry little man who's trying to gently caress the world over cause they cut off his balls.

I'm not convinced he is a eunuch. He might be, but but we only have his word for that - which really isn't worth much.

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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threeagainstfour posted:

I'd rather the story be left unfinished then have Brandon Sanderson get his milk white vanilla hands all over it.

I'm sure we will have years and years to discuss who will write the next book... since I have the feeling he will neither die nor finish the next book by 2017. So... I'm looking at you Abercrombie.. go learn to write about food and pedo sex for the next 3novels you do... and when 2017 comes around, you'll be top pick.

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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ZeeBoi posted:

fatman posted:

Is this any way to treat the dean of the genre, a master storyteller dubbed the American Tolkien and recently named one of 100 most influential people in the world by Time magazine? Martin thinks not.

I loved Lord of the Rings back in the 60s and like many millions of other people I was eagerly looking forward to The Silmarillion, Martin says. But it never would have dawned on me to write to Professor Tolkien and say, You better hurry up with The Silmarillion before you die, old man. What kind of cretin does that?
We're cretins. :smug:

Thats because he loving finished the trilogy... Who gave a gently caress about the Silmarillion? poo poo he tried to publish that lump of poo poo BEFORE lord of the rings, and noone wanted it.

PS: the LOTR was published over what.. 5 years? 5 YEARS YOU gently caress.

GRRM should be flattered people are demanding his book, and loving GRATEFUL. He is an absolute fucker.

PS: We _should_ have done that poo poo with Herbert. Those books by his son are loving wretched.

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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whowhatwhere posted:

GRRM published 3 books in five years too :v:

drat you for being right. It's probably more if we count Fever Dreamez and WildCard books...

quote:

Ashara Dayne

I don't have the new book yet - and while I know Ashara was important.. I have no idea who she is, except that she has something to do with Ned - he killed her brother or husband or some poo poo, so she allegedly jumped off a cliff.. but was also maybe jons mother? And I think she is related to DarkStar?

What are we supposed to know going about her going into this new book?

TERFherder fucked around with this message at 11:08 on Jul 13, 2011

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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Does Daario dye his pubes blue? I feel this is important information to have.

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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SaviourX posted:

'a punch in the shitbowl' is such an amazing album name that I will be shocked if no one has done it.

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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BravestOfTheLamps posted:

Sounds mostly reasonable, but even though he was an arch-hack, Tolkien isn't so bad that Martin would be an improvement.

What's so bad about Tolkien? Which Fantasy novels would you recommend?

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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BravestOfTheLamps posted:

Tolkien defanged mythology to write an infantilised fantasy - Epic Pooh, as Michael Moorcock put it.

I would recommend Mervyn Peake's Gormenghast Trilogy or Italo Calvino's works, for starters.

post your whole list, not a few cherry picks off the top! :carol:

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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esperterra posted:

Lemme tell you all about the Sword of Truth series' relationship to sex

People always focus on the objectivism but the sex is real hosed up

You wanna talk about hosed up Objectivism? Alan Greenspan used to gently caress Ayn Rand.

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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esperterra posted:

Give us a Fevre Dream adaptation tbqh

They did miss an opportunity with this one. He wrote a southern river boat vampire novel in 1982 - decades before that sookie stackhouse poo poo. He should have made the riverboat captain a shy girl of 18 ( who acts like a 13 year old ) whose alcoholic father passed away, leaving her to run the boat alone.

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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esperterra posted:

True Blood is a special beast where the seasons with Alan Ball are lowkey good television despite clearly being p high camp from the get go, and then the seasons after Ball left are still enjoyable b/c the world is already so ridiculous that it's easy to not blink an eye at how loving off the wall and dumb it can get.
e: but ya those books are trash in an entirely different way lmao and not a good one

I thought it was pretty good, but stopped at some point. Maybe around the Faeries? The King of George part? It was kind of cool and scary and a bit campy - but at some point it had just drifted into soap opera territory or something. Gave up before the ending.


jit bull transpile posted:

True blood is so good but the sookie Stackhouse books are soooooooo bad

I read the book, and could not even finish the first one. I could be wrong, but in the book sookie seems really young and dumb - like 15 or something. In the movie she makes these teenager-in-love decisions that are more appropriate for a kid. If you picture sookie as a 15 year old, she makes a lot more sense as a character.

I guess this ties in with GOfT because the lovely decisions the starks make - are like teenager mistakes.

TERFherder fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Nov 6, 2018

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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[quote="esperterra" post="489582993"]
True Blood is a special beast where the seasons with Alan Ball

I thought that was an actor in the show ;) Do you often follow who writes what? And you can tell the difference?

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

I lol'd out of TrüBlud when Bill was reincarnated as the Blood God.

SOOKIES FOR THE SOOKIETHRONE

oh yeah - I think that is the last poo poo I remember. It felt like they were just cribbing from Anne Rice at that point.

esperterra posted:

yah in fact one of the main reasons I even started True Blood when it first aired was due to it being the dude who made Six Feet Under lmao

That is neat. I've never payed attention to the authors.

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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quote:

Martin has charts to help him keep track of his vast cast, and lots of pieces of paper with scribbling all over them, as well as Elio and Linda off in Sweden if I forget what colour anyones eyes are.

I get the vibe those two are reeeeaaaaaly into tracking skin and eye color. You know, just making sure the bloodlines stay pure and all. in the books. for consistency.

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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Solice Kirsk posted:

*slowly circles "black of hair."

Camera pans around the room.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3tWqEZG7TE

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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https://www.amazon.com/Texas-Holdem-Wild-Cards-novel/product-reviews/0765390590/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_show_all_btm?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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I'm 100% positive he is referring to the German anal porn that Sibel Kekilli did.

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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quote:

Its not like Ive been on a seven-year vacation. I have Wild Cards books coming out every six months.

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Elmo_Tully
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Grover_Tully

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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Lycus posted:

Next he'll release the first half of a Dunk and Egg story.

When you realize where he got the name of the characters...

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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Destro posted:

Wild Cards fan just doing my yearly check in. Guys the book still isn't out yet

Clearly it is tho:

On Sale: 03/03/2020

ISBN: 9780765396402
264 Pages

https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780765396402

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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Deptfordx posted:

*Six months ago, somewhere in a secret bioweapon lab*

'Dammit! There's got to be someway to get him to finish the next book.............waiiiiiiittttttt a minute'

*Leans forward and deliberately knocks over vial marked Bio-Hazard*

well that's what I was trying to do here.. :( guess it didn't come across

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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chaosapiant posted:

Ive never truly understood all the hate against GRRM. I guess its fun/cool/In-style? Dude wrote some great books that people loved and got super bogged down into the details of his own story. He dug a hole in his own fiction and hasnt been able to climb out yet. I dont pity him but I also dont wish him ill will, make fun of him, or laugh at him. Hes just a dude who was doing what he loved it and it got too big and got away from him.

Go read the bad thread starting when book 3 came out. You can see how the anger evolved. Waiting 5 years or whatever for the 4th book, and then realizing that it was literally half finished was pretty hard to swallow. It was like 10 years between Tyrion/John chapters or something. And then the constant shilling of water-logged calendars, missed deadlines, wildcards books getting published every year... Lot's of people have been waiting 20 years to find out how this story ends. That's just a long time.

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

Sanderson is a great hire to really flesh out the blood magic system.

pseudanonymous posted:

He never even finished volume 2 of "Ways and means of Blight agriculture in the modern era" it hardly seems like he's qualified to do the kind of exhaustive worldbuilding that is required to support 700 feet of ice.

kek. I think his head would explode trying to hammer the magic events of the books into a cohesive system. I thought GRRM had something larger to say about the gods and magic, but it never materialized.

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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Shageletic posted:

Anyone still have a link to Game of Bones. Someone doesnt believe that it exists and I must show them the terrible truth.

https://www.facebook.com/gameofbones/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0ld8AchXEQ

https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/269101

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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UltraRed posted:

The red star falling signaled magic returning to the world.

Did they talk about the red star going away? I thought it was like there the whole time. Was it just up for a week, or a night or something?

Take the plunge! Okay! posted:


Dorne - instead of engaging in a bit of light Orientalism, it becomes the dullest and least relevant sideshow.


I thought Dorne was Spain/New Mexico Green Hatch Chilis?

If I was his publisher, I'd team him up with the best RPG team in existence - build a long standing game that could become the new focus for the IP. He could keep writing little character descriptions and novellas, like an endless D&D Monster Manual. That would allow his fan base to start filling in cracks if they wanted to, not have a too set in stone history, and he could write the fun parts. little modules / character studies / whatever. A game doesn't need an ending it just needs conflict - which he has done an amazing job setting up. Endless War has always been the underlying theme for these books, a game would be a perfect medium for that.

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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Dude is a 70+ year old white male boomer from New-loving-Jersey. He was born in the 1940s, and his world view was probably cemented by 1975. His major opus involves multiple scenes of child rape, sexual violence and incest. So yeah, I can see why that might have gone sideways.

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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Winds of Winter
Chapter One

Rickon reclined in the warm summer sun, while in the back of his mind he sensed ShaggyDog's kill. The hot unicorn blood spraying across his teeth and gums. The young lord smiled. This is the life, he thought, and fell back asleep.

The End

Meanwhile, back at the wall...

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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Collateral posted:

He lies like trump, only with longer words.

holy poo poo that was my first thought too.

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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mind the walrus posted:

Which makes me wonder why someone like GRRM seems to love doing it so drat much.

It's a community, and social life and "tribe" in many ways. Especially before the internet, where communicating with distant friends and like minded folk - hell even finding like minded folk - was challenging. I mean poo poo, you used to have to pay by the minute to talk to people "long distance". Also he became a bigger and bigger fish in that little pond, and if you want to feel ill go ahead and read him talking about weird convention sex.

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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Evil Fluffy posted:

. Like, even as a kid when I heard that prophecy my immediate thought was "how do none of these people, including YODA, grasp that the prophecy requires the Sith rising to power and being on equal footing, or overthrowing the Jedi to 'balance' the Jedi having been in power?"

That didn't bother me. That is something that makes sense in retrospect, but not when you are in the middle of it ( for the participants ).

I think what I hate most about these movies is that the trailers manage to push all my emotional buttons, it's like they know what makes me tick. I have found myself literally tearing up over the years when I watched a new trailer, and I hate that. Because I know the movies will be underwhelming and fail to deliver to my expectations. If they know me well enough to make these trailers that hit all the right buttons, why do they f up the movies over and over? They always feel so "designed by committee".

But anyway, I just stopped by to see if any new books were out

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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pseudanonymous posted:

I often got the feeling there was more to the Rhaegar story, because for a not batshit insane guy he did a batshit insane thing. Like he must've known his father was nuts and that just grabbing Lyssa would cause problems. Supposedly only 50% of Targs are nuts and he was supposed to be one of the not nuts ones, and he doesn't come across as nuts just stupid.

Yeah and the story about him reading something, deciding he needed to learn to fight, etc etc. He must have assumed he was the prince that was promised or w.e. Not sure what that had to do with Lyssa though. Maybe he was just loving crazy and losing it.

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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Vichan posted:

I think he figured that the prince that was promised would come about from his union with a Stark, he was probably already promised/married to Elia at that point so he knew that any way to make the prophecy happen would lead to conflict, hence his decision to learn how to fight. That's how I've always interpreted it anyway.

Kylaer posted:

I think he got the idea from the prophecy that he was the father of the prince who was promised, not the promised one himself. He needed Lyanna to be the mother because the prince was supposed to be "the song of ice and fire." And as it turned out, he was, so chalk up another one for prophecy I guess :rolleye:

OK thanks. that makes sense. I think I skipped over much of the prophecy when it would come up. Same with Dany's hallucinations in the house of purple bald guys she burned down. I'm not super patient for sorting that poo poo out. I [kept] waiting for GRRM to spell more things out - Maybe Barristen would tell stories that started to hint that Rhagar was actually delusional or something. I don't know how GRRM planned that out.


kaworu posted:

Marwyn's

I forgot he existed. I haven't thought of him in like 15 years.

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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Ccs posted:

The sorcery at the edges of the world thing was a major draw of ASOIAF. Too bad we'll never find out how it all plays out.

I really was hoping for background on what was happening. Why was magic "coming back" into the world? Are there really gods? Do those gods fight other gods? Is it all just blood magic with everyone shaping what happens to pretend there are gods? I didn't want it spelled out, but I thought we would get more along those lines.

Did anyone here read Thieves World books? Because of all the different authors, how magic worked ( or didn't ) was different from one story to the next. And that was cool - but GRRM was writing like that too, and I would have expected some kind of overarching theme tying things together, instead of just random cool "teaser" stacked on top of the last cool "teaser".

I mean I don't the other side of the pendulum with a Sanderson-esque "He then casted MagicMissle +1" or whatever - but yeah. I want some closure on WTF is happening at the macro Gods/Magic level.

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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Mat Cauthon posted:

It's probably six of one and half a dozen of the other but I do enjoy all the various theorizing that there's some big eldritch confrontation coming up and all the individual level magic we've seen (even the dragons coming back) is just knock-on effects of that.

Yeah I groove on that stuff. I don't need to have all the answers at the end, and in fact really enjoy the whole "this is just the beginning" endings. For example in True Detective, we start with the small crime, drift into a deeper web of corruption, and end up in this cosmic battle, of which the protaganist is a very small part. You never get more details, but the set up is there for much more. If GRRM does have a "big picture "background thing going on, I'd like to know. But I suspect he just writes things that sound cool, and scenes that resonate somehow. He says he started this series to do things he couldn't do on tv, but short stories really seem his speed. He has said that once he figures out what characters are going to do, he loses interest. I suspect he creates a scene in his mind, then works forwards and backwards from that scene to flesh it out. It's fun. Or it was. If I could go back in time and edit his material, knowing he wouldn't finish writing it by his death, I'd have him end the series with a set up, rather than a conclusion. A series of heroes each on their own path, unsure where it will end.

John: Reborn in the north, free of his obligation, possibly tainted by his rebirth. Ghost warg
Arya: Enters the house of the faceless men, leaving needle behind. Llinked up to Nymeria via warg.
Sansa: Beginning to blossom as the game player.
Bran: Time traveling wizard, possessed. raven warg.
Rickon: Stories hint to him growing powerful somehow, eventually leading the island people. Summer warg.
Caitlyn / Robb: Undead, with undead army. Robb is rocking the wolfs head on his noggin'.
Dany: poised to launch to westeros. dragon warg
Jaime/ Cersei: ending with Cersei in power, burning the tower of the hand, consolidating power
Tyrion: either met up with Dany, or in limbo after fleeing. possible ties to iron bank.

gently caress this gives me a headache just thinking about all the loving characters and their plot arcs. What I'm getting at is build up several cohesive factions, each in a momentary victory over their faction, but clearly soon to be fighting a larger war. If possible group them into 2 or 3 larger affiliations that might not be obvious to the characters, but are hinted at to readers so we have some overall structure to follow. Who wins or what happens next isn't the point - it's about the Game. It's a "war is hell" story. This creates some closure, creates an amazing IP for licensing, and GRRM gets to do what he likes - writing small scenes or one offs that add to the lore. He becomes a hero instead of a villain. Then he can tease small stories, or collections of them, as he wants. Expectations are set, and people can enjoy it for what it is.

Properly writing all of these plot arcs is an insane task, and he shouldn't have tried.

TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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kaworu posted:

If you never have, you should check out some of the Preston Jacobs videos on youtube, TERFherder. They're practically the next best thing to another book. A lot of the questions you're asking - about magic coming back into the world, what the maesters are up to, deeper plots and schemes, etc - he really goes in depth into a lot of those things, and does so in a really illuminating and insightful way that makes you look at the books in a different light.

I've caught a few highlights of his videos. I don't think you can drill down into GRRMs writing like Preston does. It's fun and interesting, but as another poster wrote, it is basically fan fiction. If it were a few years back I might watch some videos you suggest - I'd be curious to hear his take on Dorne among other things. I care enough about the series to read any full novels GRRM puts out, but that's about it. I mean in the first book Tyrion is both crippled AND does some backflip off a balcony before pontificating to Jon. You just can't dig too deep into what GRRM writes.


nine-gear crow posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-94RDwiVFs

This is all one needs to know about Preston Jacobs.

That was too much for my brain

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TERFherder
Apr 26, 2010

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Liquid Communism posted:

Back before I realized how much Gurm was just tacking stuff on for lack of ability to think of a plot, I kinda liked that there were multiple mutually exclusive magic systems because it meant absolutely nobody knew how magic 'really' worked, and that's kind of a fun concept.

It's fun, I agree. And if that is the point, or how it works, that is cool.

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