hitchensgoespop posted:

Didnt Jon snow give them some land below the wall? Was that ever in the show?

Mat Cauthon posted:

We know the broad strokes, but I figure there's a lot of detail and interpersonal experiences that would be interesting to hear about. By all accounts the first 2-3 seasons were only as good as they were because of the team of talented people around the showrunners, and once those folks were driven away or marginalized as well as GRRM no longer contributing to the writing the show clearly started the downwards trajectory.

Then again I enjoy documentaries and oral histories and that sort of thing so maybe I'm biased in assuming such an unpacking would be entertaining or useful.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

I remember the theories between episodes on how this was part of an elaborate The North Remembers plot against Ramsey but lol nope Umber was a traitor and Rickon dies because he can’t not run in a straight line. This was happening at the exact same time when we theorized that Arya was laying this elaborate trap and walking about in public flashing money was all part of the plan but nope she’s just a complete moron.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

I still think the funniest possibility is that it finally does come out but it’s just full of more long meandering POV chapters of characters who were introduced in one of the last two books just traveling places and that the main character plotlines get only as far as Jon being resurrected and Tyrion meeting Dany. And that’s the end.

HonorableTB posted:

It's funny because those are legitimately some impressive page numbers ONCE HE ACTUALLY SAT DOWN AND STARTED WRITING. All that wasted time loving around and then in two years he wrote like 1100 pages, what was the magic trick that got that done??

Edit: also loling at the update where he announced he actually had 70 fewer pages than the last time because he was so slow at writing he managed to unwrite already-written material

Evil Fluffy posted:

Would be be better or worse if he wore a fedora?

Coquito Ergo Sum posted:

Preston's biggest problem is that he has a tendency to use that one fallacy I forgot the name of about coming up with a hypothesis, then just going back and cherry-picking any line in a book to use as evidence to prove that theory, which is why the Dornish Master Plan always seemed really dumb to me.

Whizzing Wizard posted:

There's a interview with fucker himself in The Independent.you had to register to read it but the headline was :

George RR Martin: ‘I don’t understand how people can come to hate so much something that they once loved’

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

One episode ending with Arya hiding in the dark for her life and then the next starting with her walking around smugly right in the open of a big city flashing money and expectedly getting stabbed and thrown into a river was just so baffling that I still cannot understand what happened. I remember how I and so many others were *convinced* there was some ploy happening, a trap for the Waif. But nope. Arya was just a stupid moron.

Pennsylvanian posted:

Sometimes, when I think that he should have done the five year gap, I think "Of course. The Arya, Dany, and Jon plots were a slog in particular." On the other hand, there may have been a jarring jump if he had done the 5 year gap, with characters expositing on what happened over the years in a way that is really unusual for the story so far.

Evil Fluffy posted:

I doubt it's a coincidence that Ty left to go write their own books and GRRM just happened to stop writing at the same time. Ty probably was ghostwriting for GRRM and left because he decided he could do his own thing instead.

Elias_Maluco posted:

To be honest, whoever still actually expect him to finish not only winds but also the next book is completely out of touch with reality

In any case, the fucker could just stop saying he is writing and will finish the books and people would stop asking him about them, its pretty easy

mind the walrus posted:

If it doesn't hit in the next 1-2 years though, it probably never will.

Happy Landfill posted:

Obviously Winds wouldn't be announced

Happy Landfill posted:

God, sorry, I can't get over this loving AI story. It's so bad!

ctrl+f "the subversions of expectations" and it shows up 108 times . Also, Jon is just alive in the beginning of Winds, with no explanation, he's just there.

quote:

There must be subversion of expectations several times.

Devorum posted:

It's fine, but the first book will make you want to claw your eyes out every time you see the phrase "vomit zombie", which is what they call folks infected with the protomolecule. It's used relentlessly.

All in all, I don't regret reading it. Could have been shorter, though.

nine-gear crow posted:

I'm a little disappointed they never said "snarks and grumpkins" on the TV show.

Guy A. Person posted:

That entire season(s?) felt like somehow the guy who played Ramsay got let into the writers room by accident and just kept suggesting dumb poo poo like this and the real writers were too shy to shoot it down. The “twenty good men” thing was essentially the same, like the guy was a bad parody fanfic villain until it was time for him to die, before then he was untouchable

Happy Landfill posted:

I want to know how that started. How to do go to the effort to dress a set and choreograph a scene and then go in to Post only to go, "no, make it darker :hmmyes". Even in scenes where things are supposed to be confusing and obfuscated from characters you can still do it in a way that the audience can still see what's going on.

Xiahou Dun posted:

Hope is just the larval stage of disappointment.

Xiahou Dun posted:

Knuc U Kinte posted:

Your dad sounds fat as hell.

pidan posted:

Eh, he didn't even kill that many beloved viewpoint characters. What, Ned, and then three books later the red wedding. Well, ok, also Jon Snow, but nobody believes he'll stay dead. I think the reputation Asoiaf has for killing main characters is really unearned.