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Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

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Ravenson posted:

His plot purpose is to preempt and gently caress over Dany. The books have made it pretty clear that as much as the nobility hates the Targs, from the small folk perspective the Mad King is looking less and less lovely with every war crime the new rulers commit in his absence. There's plenty of folk who would rise up for a true Targaryen, and so fAegon is on route to beat Dany to Westeros, win the popular appeal, offer her a version of what she wants that she won't take on principle (become his queen and inherent subordinate after all she's gone through), and promptly get eaten by dragons to absolutely ensure that the small folk will be just as done with the Targs as everyone else. If he weren't there and she showed up first she'd have the Throne in a matter of weeks with no problems, with him there even if she takes King's Landing she still won't have the kingdom.

His thematic purpose is to contrast Jon. FAegon looks the part of the secret heir, raised in the wilderness outside the kingdom by scholars and nuns so that he'd be a true ruler and nothing but virtue - but because it was a deliberate attempt to create him and because he was raised knowing his intended fate, he's actually an awful little poo poo who won't be any better a ruler than any of those who came before him. Jon meanwhile is a true secret heir and while he was raised by nobility he was genuinely humbled his whole life by being treated as a bastard and his training in the wilderness didn't involve being the Specialist Boy but just another guy who came to power by popular acclaim. Dany not having this either is why in the end she'll go crazy.

It's still just another huge complication that didn't need this much focus though.

The irony is that Jon being as he is comes down purely to luck and his own nature. He has every reason to be bitter as hell, and frankly a lot of his motivation seems to be the desire to tell all of Westeros to get hosed and go be literally anywhere else. Makes his ending in the show make sense, of course Jon and Arya hosed off north after the war, they've got absolutely no reason to stick around while Sansa and Bran play at being rulers until the next rebellion. The wildlings are pretty much the only ones that have ever treated Jon as just some guy, and at the present point (and in the show) Arya's really got nothing left of a personality or sense of self beyond 'Jon's cool, I'll go chill with him and we'll murder the poo poo out of whatever was hanging with the Others'.

Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Mar 20, 2024

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Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

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von Metternich posted:

Randor Clegane

Rand al'Clegane

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

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Waltzing Along posted:

Sometimes I am reminded of TS Morgensterns, The Princess Bride.

Other times I am reminded of The Boys. The comics, not the show.


Princess Bride: the book is by William Goldman. He writes that he is doing an abridgement of the original book by Morgentsten. And the sort of things he cuts is very much like how gurm describes all sorts of things. Except in Morgensterns book he goes on for entire chapters about minutiae.

And The Boys is very anti-heroes. It is written in part due to a sort of hatred for the superhero genre. The heroes are pretty lovely. And gurms heroes are complete doofuses. So yeah...


Garth Ennis makes absolutely no secret that he didn't read superhero comics as a kid, and the Boys is just his natural state as a miserable bastard applied to taking the piss out of a genre he doesn't love and resents being the defining one in comics. He still uses sex and shocking violence way better than GRRM, though.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

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Xiahou Dun posted:

Vikings got most of their ore from bog iron. Japan is famous for using iron sand, maybe you were thinking of that?

Regardless, all of that is irrelevant because those are ways to avoid mining for iron. The charcoal is for smelting and forging and it doesn’t really matter where you got the iron, you still have to make a fire that burns hotter than wood can burn at all, ever. Charcoal, absolute rear end tons of it, is a basic requirement of ironwork. That’s why people used shittier-in-every-way bronze first : having a whole complex trade network between copper and tin mines is significantly easier than getting fire hot enough to melt iron.

I can’t recommend that article series enough. (NB : I linked the second) It’s an ancient historian step-by-step walking you through the logistical steps involved in getting an actual iron tool. Absolutely fascinating stuff. He’s got another on food and another on clothes. You will entirely change how you think about pre-modern life. (Preview : really think about the idea that every piece of clothing or cloth you ever used in your whole life would have been entirely grown/sheared, woven, dyed and sewn by an immediate female family member or your wife. All of them.)

I have done medieval-era weaving. It cannot be overstated how much loving work went into clothes before modern automation took some of the labor. I still do tablet-woven trim sometimes, and it's 30-40 hours to get a shirt's worth, and that's with someone else shearing, carding, spinning, and dying the wool I use. Hell, consider the labor required to do laundry in pre-modern society.

Just an example, and this is 18th century, so a bit more available in the way of metal goods and chemicals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xenLzd2-Dk

Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Apr 7, 2024

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Typo posted:

Book 4 has simultaneously some of the best (the Cersei chapters) and worst chapters in the series

also Euron's monologue was pretty metal:

I hate to give GRRM credit, but that is such baller pirate dialogue I swear he probably co-opted it from history somewhere.

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Waltzing Along posted:

I wanna read the version where Jon Snow knows everything.

Now there's a fanfic. Jon Snow gets shanked at Castle Black and wakes back up at Winterfell, the morning before Ned is to execute the deserter from the Watch.

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