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Darth Windu posted:Roose doesn't seem any worse than, say, Tywin Lannister. He is not shown as being cruel in any manner. He is simply utilitarian to a terrifying degree. Roose Bolton posted:“This miller’s marriage had been performed without my leave or knowledge. The man had cheated me. So I had him hanged, and claimed my rights beneath the tree where he was swaying. If truth be told, the wench was hardly worth the rope. The fox escaped as well, and on our way back to the Dreadfort my favorite courser came up lame, so all in all it was a dismal day. doctor thodt posted:Which is stupid, because the implication was obviously that Cersei and Jaime are secret Targs. The point of the story was to show that Aerys wanted Joanna. Space Pussy posted:If the naked septa is actually Ashara, then I rather like the Brandon Stark date raped her theory and hope it's true. At this point, R+L=J would almost seem too obvious. regulargonzalez posted:Timeline doesn't work, impossible for Jon to be B+A unless he were a couple years older. Harrenhal was something like two years before Robert's Rebellion. There's a theory that Brandon Stark raped Ashara Dayne? I pride myself on knowing most viable theorie (and even coming up with a few), but I've never heard that one nor do I remember reading any hints at it. When was Brandon even in a position to rape Ashara Dayne? Dude lived in Winterfell and only came south before his death for the tourney at Harrenhal - where Ned danced with and fell in love with and dishonored (according to Barristan) her.
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Xander77 posted:Oh yeah, forgot to ask. I got the Lyanna / Ned thing, but were we supposed to know anything about the other Winterfell Weirdwood scenes? Specifically, the arrows? I don't think we are, though the pregnant lady seems very very familiar, I just can't put my finger on it. It wasn't supposed to be Lyanna and Ned fighting, I think, but it was Lyanna and Benjen. The girl is described as being older than the boy, and Lyanna wasn't older than Ned. Aurubin posted:In ADwD news, who thinks the Harpy is the Green Grace? Let's Scooby Doo this poo poo. Like I had said: a harpy is a woman and the Green Grace is the only Mereenese noblewoman we know, she is VERY sympathetic to the Sons of the Harpy, urges Dany to marry a Ghiscari, etc. Tiger Crazy posted:Jon's chapters had ups and down, on one side he was dealing with Stannis and getting poo poo done preparing for the Others. The downside was oh no who will think of the Wildlings every loving chapter(You know nothing) and my vows.
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dumb brunette posted:Also, Jojen asking Bran several times during the course of the story if he was sure Ned hadn't told him this before. Why would he be so sure Ned would tell about something Howland did? I don't know, I wouldn't be surprised if Littlefinger had knowledge of Dany and what's going on. Gulltown is his place, his business is trade, and he makes a point to learn EVERYTHING. THe council scene in ADWD has them mentioning Dany and her dragons, and that doesn't take place long after Littlefinger's conversation with Sansa I think. Whatever the small council knows, you better believe that Littlefinger knew it a year before.
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EC posted:I didn't get this either. Jon has spent his entire time on the Wall obeying his vows and following his oath, even when it required that he join the Wildlings for awhile. He held on to the Wall through Ned, Robb, Bran & Rickon, Sansa, and Arya all dying. One letter labeled Bastard from a crazy motherfucker that just took over Winterfell is all it takes to rile him up? It's true that the letter states that Ramsay doesn't have Arya, but it does say that he lost her and that Stannis is destroyed...so where is she? That's probably what Jon is thinking: his little sister escaped from the most psychotic person in Westeros outside of GREGOR, but now's she wandering around the North in the snow with said psycho hunting her. Of course he's going to go rescue her if he can. It's not at all like the other situations. Someone he loves is in extreme and urgent need of help, he's pretty much the only person who can help her, and she's really close. Ned: way way way south in King's Landing, no way for him to actually get to Joffrey to kill him. Besides, the horse has left the barn: Ned was already dead. No rescuing possible. Robb: Same as Ned, pretty much. Bran and Rickon: he was with the wildlings when they "died" I'm pretty sure, and by the time he heard about it the responsible party (Theon) was already killed/captured. Nothing for Jon to do at that point. Sansa: pretty sure he never thought she was dead? Arya: he thought she probably died in KL with Ned, so same thing applies.
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Decius posted:Jon tried to use the Night's Watch to meddle in the affairs of the realm by riding to Winterfell to rescue "Arya" - and he skirted the line already before. Jon's last chapter posted:“The Night’s Watch takes no part in the wars of the Seven Kingdoms,” Jon reminded them when some semblance of quiet had returned. “It is not for us to oppose the Bastard of Bolton, to avenge Stannis Baratheon, to defend his widow and his daughter. This creature who makes cloaks from the skins of women has sworn to cut my heart out, and I mean to make him answer for those words … but I will not ask my brothers to forswear their vows. Jon again posted:Yarwyck and Marsh were slipping out, he saw, and all their men behind them. It made no matter. He did not need them now. He did not want them. No man can ever say I made my brothers break their vows. If this is oathbreaking, the crime is mine and mine alone.
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EC posted:But think about everything Jon had been doing leading up to him getting the letter: preparing the wall for all out war with the Others. Manning castles, preventing wholesale slaughter and death of the wildlings (thus preventing the creation of wights), borrowing gold to buy food for the winter, sealing partnerships with the wildlings to use them as a fighting force, and going so far man an entire castle with spear wives. Then one letter from a psycho bastard makes him go crazy? Again, I think the key is Arya. He thinks she's out there all alone in the wilderness, being hunted by a loving psychopath who flays women, and she's relatively close to where he's at. He can save her. It's not about revenge or the threat Ramsay made to cut out his heart or even about rescuing Mance. It might be all of those things for the wildlings, but not for Jon Snow. Look at the speech he made to get the wildlings to pledge him their swords. He doesn't even mention Arya in it. Yet look at his thoughts right after reading the letter: Jon posted:Jon flexed the fingers of his sword hand. The Night’s Watch takes no part. He closed his fist and opened it again. What you propose is nothing less than treason. He thought of Robb, with snowflakes melting in his hair. Kill the boy and let the man be born. He thought of Bran, clambering up a tower wall, agile as a monkey. Of Rickon’s breathless laughter. Of Sansa, brushing out Lady’s coat and singing to herself. You know nothing, Jon Snow. He thought of Arya, her hair as tangled as a bird’s nest. I made him a warm cloak from the skins of the six whores who came with him to Winterfell … I want my bride back … I want my bride back … I want my bride back … It seems obvious to me. He's reflecting on all of his brothers and sisters that he's lost. Every single one is dead, as far as he knows, except Sansa who's disappeared and may be dead. Now Arya - the one he was closest to, probably - has re-appeared after he thought she'd been dead for a few years (give or take), and she's in desperate need of him. Look at the last thought he has - repeating Ramsay's words over and over again. He can't let her be captured by Ramsay.
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kazil posted:Can someone explain the whole Lady Lemore = Ashara Dayne? I thought Dayne threw herself from a tower, that seems like a death that would have many witnesses. Is there any evidence that Lemore is Dayne and not who she says she is? Ray_ posted:Hmm, dirty old man Barristan the Bold was in freakin love with Ashara Dayne. He thinks she killed herself out of grief for the stillborn daughter she lost and perhaps for Ned.
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Dark hair, actually. According to Barristan. EC posted:I'll come over to your side of thinking on this one, I suppose. Jon's an emotional guy, who has spent the latest part of his life seeing people he loves brutally murdered and trying to save a land that doesn't particularly care to be saved. It still seems a bit...crazy, though, even given the circumstances. (:highfive: on the LSU av, by the way) Jon intentionally made it sound like it was about vengeance and justice and stuff to get the wildlings to go along with it. I think the fact that he presented it that way in his speech has got readers confused and thinking what he said in his speech were his true motivations. Even though he never came out and said to himself, "I'm going to go save my sister," the internal thoughts he had right after reading the letter points directly to it. Hell yes, a fellow LSU fan?
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kazil posted:Well Tyrion calls Lemore more handsome than pretty. quote:Connington didn't so much fake his death as he left his life behind and people assumed he was dead. Ashara supposedly flung herself from a tower, didn't she? Connington posted:So far as most of them were concerned, Connington had drunk himself to death in Lys after being driven from the company in disgrace for stealing from the war chest. The shame of the lie still stuck in his craw, but Varys had insisted it was necessary. “We want no songs about the gallant exile,” the eunuch had tittered, in that mincing voice of his. “Those who die heroic deaths are long remembered, thieves and drunks and cravens soon forgotten.” quote:Tyrion marks her past 40. Wasn't Ned mid-30s? I couldn't off on that, been a while since I read AGoT. quote:Referring to her as lady could be a courtesy or even a joke.  There's never been another septa referred to with the title "Lady" in any of the books. "Lady" is specifically reserved for women of noble birth even if they don't officially hold a Ladyship. Sansa is called Lady all the time, even though she doesn't hold a Ladyship title. I really do think her being called "Lady Lemore" is a huge hint/clue. quote:Ser Rolly Duckfield seems to be exactly who he claims to be, just some dude that Connington knighted. Think is, Lemore doesn't even have a story. She never says what or how a septa from Westeros is doing halfway around the world raising an exiled and hidden prince. She has to be SOMEONE.
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kazil posted:I think Duck pretty much shows that Connington is willing to let regular people around Aegon. kazil posted:That's exactly my point. Connington didn't fake his death, he just went into hiding and everyone assumed he was dead. How is that not faking his death? kazil posted:In the end, I just think it's really retarded for everyone to be someone. If there were solid evidence pointing to Lemore being Ashara, I'd agree with it, but at this point it's just a shot in the dark so three books later someone can say "See I told you so!" Personally speaking though, I've been thinking that Ashara was alive for like 10+ years - ever since we learned the manner of her "death" and the fact that no body was ever found. For me, it's not a case of thinking everyone has to be someone. Before ADWD, I came up with a theory that Ashara absconded with Baby Aegon. Aegon being revealed to be alive and to have been partly raised by an attractive Westerosi that people around called "Lady"...well, it begins to fit in with my theory. If you're interested, this is what I had come up with: Ray_ posted:For anyone that's interested, this was my pet theory about Ashara Dayne I came up with before ADWD: Edit: Thing is, none of us know who she really is or if she's anyone at all. Tyrion mentions it being a mystery at one point and she simply seems like more than just a common-born septa. Ray_ fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Jul 17, 2011 |
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Xae posted:If Ashara is Lenore then Ned was probably knee deep in the conspiracy. If I remember correctly after the ToJ he want to Starfall, where the Dayne's live shortly before Ashara jumped into the Sea. Did he meet the young Aegon there and realize there was still two claimants to the throne and help arrange them to be hidden? Check out my post right above yours for my idea on that. Brannock posted:Who is Rowan? For a spearwife, she really loving hates Theon and seems to be very familiar with the Stark household. Man, I was really curious about that while reading that chapter. I figured we'd find out she was some northerner that went with Mance, but we never found anything out about her. Now she's dead as a Ned and we'll never know. I mean, why would a wildling have a problem with Theon using the Stark words? In other book news, ADWD is selling like hotcakes (or hot pies, heh.): http://books.usatoday.com/bookbuzz/post/2011/07/record-sales-for-george-rr-martins-a-dance-with-dragons/176909/1 quote:George R.R. Martin's A Dance With Dragons, book five in his epic "A Song of Ice and Fire' series, had the highest single and first-day sales of any new fiction title published this year: 298,000 copies in print, digital, and audio formats, publisher Random House announced today. 300,000 copies all together in one day. That sounds like a pretty large amount for medieval fantasy fiction.
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hhhmmm posted:With all the focus on Arya losing her personality, I'm guessing she will be sent to kill someone previosly close to her. Then creating a struggle between her current and former self blablablablabla It seems as if it's Faceless Man Policy not to kill someone they personally know.
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euphronius posted:
I really don't think it's out of character if you think of it from his perspective: he's the only one who can save his only surviving sibling on the run from a loving psychopath. It'd be out of character for him NOT to try to save her.
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Jul 19, 2011 20:59
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Patchface posted:"Under the sea, the merman feast on starfish soup and all the serving men are crabs." Crabs = the lord of Sweetsister that sent Davos to White Harbor? Starfish = Karstarks maybe?
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Giodo! posted:Best part of this book? The multiple bizarrely conspicuous references to "useless as nipples on a breastplate" culminating with Jorah emerging from the sellsword armory with...a breastplate with pierced nipples. I loved this and giggled out loud. Unoriginal Name posted:Jon takes on some responsibility and is interesting, but then betrays literally every character establishing moment he's ever had. "i know we are sworn brothers but i got this letter!!" Jon is the only person - as far as he knows - who can save his last sibling from a guy that just informed him that he flayed six women to make a cloak for Mance. Did you not read this part? Jon's last chapter after he tells Tormund about the letter posted:Jon flexed the fingers of his sword hand. The Night’s Watch takes no part. He closed his fist and opened it again. What you propose is nothing less than treason. He thought of Robb, with snowflakes melting in his hair. Kill the boy and let the man be born. He thought of Bran, clambering up a tower wall, agile as a monkey. Of Rickon’s breathless laughter. Of Sansa, brushing out Lady’s coat and singing to herself. You know nothing, Jon Snow. He thought of Arya, her hair as tangled as a bird’s nest. I made him a warm cloak from the skins of the six whores who came with him to Winterfell … I want my bride back … I want my bride back … I want my bride back … Besides, it's not even than significant of a violation of his vows. Night's Watch words posted:Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come.
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Linguica posted:So without reading the whole thread, I assume we know where Rickon is, right? Yep! Unoriginal Name posted:I read it. I just think that after Theon did the exact same thing with his relatives, in the exact same place no less, it doesn't particularly fit with his character to decide to ride out all of a sudden. Are you talking about Bran and Rickon? Because I believe Jon was on the other side of the wall at the time. Besides, Bran and Rickon were on the run for less than 24 hours and he didn't know they were on the run. So no, not the same situation at all. Not even really close. There was no decision for Jon to make for Bran/Rickon. Unoriginal Name posted:Nah, better to cause as many of your brothers as you can to break their oaths? gently caress that. Unoriginal Name posted:But just leave his post and take Watch men with him? Leaving a shitload of undisciplined wildlings with less than a skeleton crew watching them before he decides to take a bunch? Jon posted:“The Night’s Watch takes no part in the wars of the Seven Kingdoms,” Jon reminded them when some semblance of quiet had returned. “It is not for us to oppose the Bastard of Bolton, to avenge Stannis Baratheon, to defend his widow and his daughter. This creature who makes cloaks from the skins of women has sworn to cut my heart out, and I mean to make him answer for those words … but I will not ask my brothers to forswear their vows. Jon posted:Yarwyck and Marsh were slipping out, he saw, and all their men behind them. It made no matter. He did not need them now. He did not want them. No man can ever say I made my brothers break their vows. If this is oathbreaking, the crime is mine and mine alone. Then Tormund was pounding him on the back, all gap-toothed grin from ear to ear. “Well spoken, crow. Now bring out the mead! Make them yours and get them drunk, that’s how it’s done. We’ll make a wildling o’ you yet, boy. Har!”
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hhhmmm posted:Your sister is possibly held hostage by a violent bannerman with a large army at your disposal. Also some threats. Possibly. Do you Dude, did you read the book? Ramsay doesn't have her. She's made her escape. Ramsay thinks she's with Jon. Jon knows she isn't and that Stannis' army may be destroyed, so there's no safe place for her to go. That was the point of the letter. There's no "interfering" to be done. It's not "interfering" at all. It's a search and rescue mission for his only remaining sibling in hostile territory. He wisely doesn't even mention Arya in his speech in the Shieldhall. There's a good reason for that: if the wildlings got a hold of her first, they'd have a powerful trump card over his head. I can't really blame you for having a completely unrealistic list aside from #5 and maybe #6: after all, you seem to think that Ramsay has fake Arya and Jon is "fleeing" from the wall to go battle him for her. He surely should have consulted Mel, and for all we know he was going to right after talking to Seleyse about her (probably not) dead husband. He DID lie, only about his intentions and not about his location. Lying about that doesn't work and puts him in the same position anyway because he's the Lord Commander and his place is on the Wall. He could MAYBE say he's going to the Shadow Tower to talk with Ser Dennis, but then his brothers will question why he's bringing so many wildlings, nobody from the Watch, and why they're marching south instead of west. Not to mention he'd be intentionally lying to the wildlings that he needs to fight for him in case they run into Bolton search parties also looking for Arya. Again, taking a short break to go find someone that's lost in the snow doesn't quite equal full-on oathbreaking in my opinion. Unfortunately he was stuck: Either tell them the truth about why you want to go, or lie about it. If you tell the truth the NW probably sees it in a better light, but the wildlings probably don't volunteer to go with you like they did...and now they know that if they get their hands on Arya first, they've got Jon by the balls. If you lie the NW looks on it as borderline desertion, but you get your own wildling army to find Arya with and kick the rear end of any Bolton search parties you stumble upon. The first saves your honor and your vows, but almost guarantees that you don't save your last remaining sibling and condemns her to a life of being definitely raped/maybe flayed by Ramsay. The second shits all over your honor and lightly pisses on your vows, but you stand a good chance at finding your last remaining sibling and delivering her to safety. So, in keeping with the finest Stark tradition, Jon chooses to put someone he loves before himself. He chooses a loved one's needs (in this case, her life) over his own life/honor. Just like his father. Just like his brother. How is that not in character again?
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Neurosis posted:After reading the Mystery Knight, Bloodraven must be even more of a wizard supreme than the folk tales made him out to be, given that he communicated almost instantly with a minor pawn(s) of his (or at least one of the pawns was him, but probably not). I guess the 7K does hate sorcery. Look forward to this, Bran. There's a pretty strong theory that one of the knights that talks to Dunk is in fact Bloodraven. Someone posted it in this thread. Found it! Toplowtech posted:The theory is that Ser Maynard Plumm is Bloodraven in some sort of disguise because:
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So, show of hands: who's re-reading it? By the way, Mereen sucks of course, but the Shavepate is pretty badass. He's pretty much the only good Mereenese. I didn't pay much attention to him the first time around, but now that I'm re-reading he stands out a little more.
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euphronius posted:I don't think she was portrayed that way so I think maybe our different readings of those chapters is fueling our disagreement. I remember her spending a lot of time considering her options, finding them to be bad and worse and picking the least bad option. She ran into a bit of a Ned problem where her principles and honor were not conducive to the locality. This is why she's a bad ruler. She allows her emotions to rule her and can do/order/allow downright evil actions. Like the torture of young girls: Dany 2nd posted:Mercy, thought Dany. They will have the dragon’s mercy. “Skahaz, I have changed my mind. Question the man sharply.” Dany: "Yeah, go ahead and torture the daughters of the owner of a place where a murder took place. Anyone seen Daario?"
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Again, for those that are arguing that Dany is hamstrung by her sense of morality and justice and stuff, don't forget about stuff like this:Dany 2nd posted:Mercy, thought Dany. They will have the dragon’s mercy. “Skahaz, I have changed my mind. Question the man sharply.” Who else in the series have we seen do something so completely brutal with very little chance for benefit like that? Cersei. The Boltons. Umm. Maybe Crows Eye. Pretty much nobody else would have jumped straight to torturing the daughters, skipping questioning them "sweetly" or torturing the father first. Nope! Straight to the most brutal option available! Cersei, Ramsay Snow, Roose Bolton, Danaerys Targaryen.
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literallyincredible posted:while passing up a chance to secure an alliance with the Tyrells by sending Loras after the Mountain, as Loras is a hothead bent on making and legend for himself and dumbass Mace would certainly back his son up. Not quite man, you're going overboard on this one. Ned could still have made an alliance with Highgarden after he turned down Loras, quite easily. All he had to do was take Renly up on his offer after Robert died.
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Galbart Glover and Maege Mormont still hiding out in Greywater Watch  Hmm, since Robett Glover was obviously ransomed, does that mean that Ser Helmann Tallhart was as well?
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"Near enough to make no matter" is another one. I checked it out and it only made 3 appearances in Dance, but it felt like a lot more. Checking the other books, it doesn't show up at all in the first 3 but shows up twice in Feast. This is partly why AFFC and ADWD feel so different from the first 3 books - the language and phrases and stuff are all different. There are a ton of phrases in Feast and Dance that are repeated several times in those books, but didn't show up at all in the first 3 books. I sort of felt bad for being happy when Little Walder got dead at Winterfell, but not too bad. The little prick needed killing. Reek posted:Little Walder had become Lord Ramsay’s best boy and grew more like him every day, but the smaller Frey was made of different stuff and seldom took part in his cousin’s games and cruelties. Interesting that Little Walder was actually Roose Bolton's brother-in-law, as Fat Walda was his sister.
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Smashurbanipal posted:I don't get the significance of the floor and walls being covered with bones in the entrance to the Children's cave. In addition, everyone seems to be making a big deal of Bloodraven being the "Last Greenseer", but then Bran is described seeing a huge room all filled with weir-people, who are clearly still alive. Are they just become too much tree to be considered human at all anymore? Bones - I dunno, the children have to eat something I guess. I think those were kids retiring into trees maybe? Diddie posted:Pycelle dies. His death just felt too rushed and too insignificant for a pretty major player throughout 5 books. Especially after the HBO series and his last scene in it.
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Have you ever been in a fist fight at least? You know how when it's over you feel loving amazing? It's probably like that. Also: the necessary dehumanization of the enemy Did anyone notice Tyrion going through withdrawals when Griff forced him to go cold turkey on wine? Poor guy
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Neurosis posted:And then as soon as Tyrion's away from Griff again he's back on the wine, and then back on a whore. Tragic. He really should have learned by now to stay away from whores. They're like his goddamn Achilles Heel. That scene in Clash where Cersei has Alayayayaya and Tyrion tells Cersei that anything done to the whore would be done to Joffrey - including the rapes - was sort of a badass Tyrion moment, but also dumb. Telling people that he cared about a whore enough to threaten buttrape on his own blood? Good job announcing a major weakness and character flaw to your enemies! Similar to how, in Dance, he knows he's the most wanted man in the world while also being the most recognizable, but he's actually safe right now if he sticks with this group of powerful allies. What does he do the first chance he gets? That's right, separate from said allies and walk into a crowded public place filled with unsavory characters! Ugh, that was frustrating to read.
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Supreme Allah posted:
I'd give half a groat, or near enough to make no matter, for some neillo neeps.
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Someone linked the new ASOIAF calendar earlier in the thread and I just got around to checking it out: http://picacio.blogspot.com/2011/07/2012-asoiaf-calendar-release-day.html It's loving horrible. The 2011 one was great though, the one with all the castles:   I found images from that one along with a bunch of awesome maps like the huge Westeros one by "Other-in-Law" that everyone likes: http://www.taringa.net/posts/imagenes/1892177/Mapas-en-Cancion-de-Hielo-y-Fuego.html Here's a few:     
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Habibi posted:First, Tommen, not Joff. Second, I interpreted that scene as Tyrion trying to protect Shae. He's relieved when, after Cersei's rant, they bring out Allaakbarayaya, but he can't let that show because it may tip Cersei off that they've got the wrong person, so he has to go with it and pretend as if she really does mean a lot to him in order to prevent Cersei from putting two and two together (yeah he's giving Cersei a lot of credit) and dragging a certain other whore into the room. Yeah, you're right about it being Tommy Boy. Dunno why I wrote Joffrey. I see what you're saying, and yeah he went along with it to protect Shae, but he could have gone along with it without acting like he was in love with a whore. It'd be the 2nd time that his family knows of, but this time he knew she was a whore, unlike Tysha. They know that. The thing is, if they did have Shae, he would have made the same threats probably...and halfway meant them.
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No dude, you read it wrong. The Doom was volcanic in nature. It caused a tsunami that wiped out the Island of Cedars, where Victarion was chillin' with the monkeys. Tyrion posted:Valyria. It was written that on the day of Doom every hill for five hundred miles had split asunder to fill the air with ash and smoke and fire, blazes so hot and hungry that even the dragons in the sky were engulfed and consumed. Great rents had opened in the earth, swallowing palaces, temples, entire towns. Lakes boiled or turned to acid, mountains burst, fiery fountains spewed molten rock a thousand feet into the air, red clouds rained down dragonglass and the black blood of demons, and to the north the ground splintered and collapsed and fell in on itself and an angry sea came rushing in. The proudest city in all the world was gone in an instant, its fabled empire vanished in a day, the Lands of the Long Summer scorched and drowned and blighted.
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Where do crossbows go? The whore went thrummm...
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Apropos of nothing... I love that Cersei's maid is named Dorcas. Poor thing must have had many and more japes thrown her way, and sadly they were not wrong. Dorcas is a terrible (-y funny) name.
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Jul 22, 2011 06:06
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Brannock posted:I know fantasy, fantasy, but can stone actually support itself when you build that tall and big? Sure it can, it depends on the actual dimensions though. See: the Lighthouse of Alexandria @ 45 stories high, which the Hightower appears to be partly based on. Witness: 
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Jul 22, 2011 06:22
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Game of Thrones has been dropped in all 5 books, and A Song of Ice and Fire in at least 1 of them. I'm with you though. Robb to Edmure: "We were all set to bring a storm down on Lord Tywin's head in the Westerlands but you hosed it up!" E: "I didn't know! Robb I swear! But I don't get what you mean by a storm? Is this some sorcery?" R: "A Storm...of Swords, you loving retard did Hoster drop you on your loving head as a child?"
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Jul 22, 2011 14:29
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Calef posted:This reminded me how Tyrion, I think, in this book pointed out the mystery that the Valyrians certainly knew that Westeros was there, and ruled an empire extending over most of the world for thousands of years, and they had dragons this entire time, but no Valyrians attempted to invade Westeros at any point. Then after te Doom, the Targaryens are pretty much the only remaining Valyrians we know about, and they finally invade. Nemo posted:Maybe they didn't want the Greenseers to warg into their dragons. I don't think it's something as simple as logistical issues, it's definitely something mysterious as you said. Maybe House Targaryen was assigned the task of invading and holding Westeros and it just took that long until Balerion and the other dragons were big enough to take on an entire continent. It would give a good excuse for why they were on a shithole of an island like Dragonstone for so long - either that, or they were exiled to Dragonstone. We don't really know how powerful the Targs were in Valyrian society/politics. Doesn't seem like they could be too high, being all the way on Dragonstone, but maybe they used the obsidian candles to participate in Valyrian politics from afar. Brannock posted:There were really only four important Meereenese: Hizdahr, Galazza Galare, the Shavepate (easy enough to remember, at least), and Reznak. Everyone else is pretty much incidental. Exactly. Shavepate's name is Skakaz, Galazza Galore is aka the Green Grace, Reznak's first name is the same as his last, and I don't have anything for Hizdahr. But yeah, those are really the only ones you need to know.
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Jul 22, 2011 19:47
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So I've been thinking about the pregnant woman that Bran saw. His visions are obviously going backwards in time. First his father, then Lyanna and Benjen, then the pregnant lady. Maybe pregnant with Ned's father, Rickard? Then I thought about Lady Dustin talking about the matches Lord Rickard made. - His heir wed to the eldest daughter of Riverrun and the Trident - His only daughter wed to the Lord of Storm's End and the Storm Lands - His second son fostered with the Lord of the Eyrie and the Vale of Arryn Two of those were contiguous with Rickard's own lands, and the other was right next to King's Landing on the same side of the sea as the North's and the Vale's biggest ports. That's 3 of the great houses he was creating quite close alliances with. The only houses he didn't align with were: - Tyrell, staunch Targaryen supporters. After all, they were mere stewards before Aegon raised them up. - Martell, again staunch Targ supporters. Lots of marriages between the two. - Lannister, who's Lord was the Hand of the King for 20 years during the time the Stark alliances were taking place. It seems to me that Lord Rickard was up to something. It's almost certain that he was creating tight bonds between the Great Houses that weren't strongly aligned with the Targaryens...but to what end? And why? Was his mother the pregnant lady that wanted her son to avenge her? Hmm...
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Jul 22, 2011 20:32
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euphronius posted:Yes and also he was being a creepy old guy and making all sorts of sexual advances on her. Yeah but she sort of liked it. Remember her nipples betraying her? Speaking of, was that one of the 3 treasons?  hypocrite lecteur posted:edit: I mean, really. He could have let her dumb rear end die and gone home pardoned, which is all he wants, and he didn't. He put her life over his own interests. How often does that happen in the series. and she's like "hurr burr you're not my handsome foreign mercenary I no like you
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Hmm, this is interesting when you compare it to the things Melisandre says about darkness/shadows/light:Bloodraven teaching Bran posted:There he sat, listening to the hoarse whispers of his teacher. “Never fear the darkness, Bran.” The lord’s words were accompanied by a faint rustling of wood and leaf, a slight twisting of his head. “The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother’s milk. Darkness will make you strong.” Is Bran unknowingly studying to be a servant of the Great Other?
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