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FISHMANPET posted:I just suspend disbelief at who we do or do not see. It's never stated what happens to Sam after he loses his House race, and we do see that he at some point ends up as a lawyer in California, but it's suggested that he still works at the White House, doing policy stuff. Same goes for Ainsley Hayes, too--she just vanishes at one point then turns up in Season 7 working at the Hoover Institute.
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I love the show, and am only bothered by Santos' progression to the White House. He goes from Mayor of Houston --> US Representative --> President. Even if he was term limited, no former Mayor of Houston would run for Congress. Elected Officials don't take steps down. Had he gone from Mayor to Senator, or Governor or something, it would've made more sense.
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Can someone help identify an episode for me? Its split into 3 or 4 parts and shows what happens to a few of the characters over one day, from each of their perspectives. I think it might be a campaign episode in season 7 but I'm not sure.
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Jul 11, 2011 20:51
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Sab0921 posted:I love the show, and am only bothered by Santos' progression to the White House. Strictly speaking, it's not a step down. The US House offers the ability to gain national prominence, something being mayor of Houston doesn't. Also, with Matt Santos, I think Sorkin was looking to make him very unlikely. He was Hispanic, he was a sitting Congressman, and his being from Texas meant that the writers could flip the electoral map on its head. Anyone remember how hosed-up the map looked at the end of Election Day Part II? Christ, they had Vinick winning Vermont and Santos winning South Carolina. Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Jul 11, 2011 |
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spe posted:Can someone help identify an episode for me? Its split into 3 or 4 parts and shows what happens to a few of the characters over one day, from each of their perspectives. I think it might be a campaign episode in season 7 but I'm not sure. Pretty sure you're thinking of "King Corn". S6E13. It's with the Iowa primary and goes Donna's POV -> Josh's POV -> Vinick. All on the same day with them doing the corn pledge thing.
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TheBigBad posted:What's Sam like after an intern owns him? scarymonkey posted:Josh, why the pornstache? Alter Ego posted:What's it like every time Lou Thornton owns your rear end in a campaign? Does it make you feel less like a man, Josh? 
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Jul 11, 2011 22:16
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Josh Lyman posted:Ainsley wasn't an intern when they appeared on Capital Beat. May be referring to the GAO intern.
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Jul 11, 2011 22:18
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Mandoira posted:Pretty sure you're thinking of "King Corn". S6E13. Ethanol pledge actually, but yeah, this is probably it. They all meet up at the end too.
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Jul 11, 2011 22:26
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Josh Lyman posted:Ainsley wasn't an intern when they appeared on Capital Beat. I was referring to when you guys helped Stackhouse filibuster for his grandkid.
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Jul 11, 2011 22:41
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scarymonkey posted:That's not really relevant. You can say the same about any punishment. e.g. If you jail people you can also jail innocent people. Honestly I'd rather be wrongly executed than wrongly given life imprisonment. Especially that after about a year or so in the American prison system I would have probably lost my humanity. Life isn't an numbers game, life isn't better just because you reach the bigger number, quality matters as much as quantity. This isn't the place to argue about the death penalty, but even if you don't agree with the point of view it's pretty egregious to not even mention it; it's the main reason why it was abolished in the UK. Also one thing I realised; Charlie is the only major black character. There's that interesting scene where Fitzwallace says he doesn't see a problem with a black kid waiting on a white president, but nobody brings up the fact that nobody else in the senior staff is black. Again it seems to address a small issue while totally ignoring a much bigger (and harder to solve) problem.
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Josh Lyman posted:Ainsley wasn't an intern when they appeared on Capital Beat. They have a word for Connecticut Jews where I come from, Josh. Yeah. They pronounce it "Presbyterian".
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Jul 11, 2011 23:07
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Mandoira posted:Pretty sure you're thinking of "King Corn". S6E13. That sounds like the one, cheers! Gonna watch it now. For some stupid reason thats my favourite episode of the show.
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I've been watching this show, kinda slowed down in the fifth season. However reading from other posts in this thread that S6 kicks in a gear, I'll keep trucking through it.
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You Am I posted:I've been watching this show, kinda slowed down in the fifth season. However reading from other posts in this thread that S6 kicks in a gear, I'll keep trucking through it. S5 does have a couple excellent episodes, however, including "The Supremes" which stars Glenn Close and William Fichtner as SCOTUS nominees from opposite ends of the political spectrum. There's also the government shutdown, as well as Bartlet temporarily giving up the Presidency to the Speaker of the House.
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Alter Ego posted:S5 does have a couple excellent episodes, however, including "The Supremes" which stars Glenn Close and William Fichtner as SCOTUS nominees from opposite ends of the political spectrum. He's fond of chain-janking, and they're as thick as thieves. "The Supremes" is probably the single episode I rewatch the most. "Oh my God, you're putting my mother's cats on the bench."
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Next up in the rewatch is '2162 votes.' I know what happens, and I'm getting chills from the cold open alone.
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FISHMANPET posted:Next up in the rewatch is '2162 votes.' I know what happens, and I'm getting chills from the cold open alone. That episode has my single favorite shot of the entire show, when President Bartlet is getting ready to get onto the stage and the shot focuses from Bartlet to Leo standing right across from him as a slower version main theme kicks in. The three episode season 6 finale run of In God We Trust, Things Fall Apart, and 2162 Votes is up there with any arc Sorkin did except for the MS reveal.
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On the other hand, this shuttle plot is a loving non starter, since I know the secret already.
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FISHMANPET posted:On the other hand, this shuttle plot is a loving non starter, since I know the secret already. I thought that they didn't play up the ambiguity of whether Toby actually leaked it or whether he jumped on the grenade for CJ and Leo enough. There's hints here and there but it's never really explored, probably because of Richard Schiff's unavailability in the last season.
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jeffersonlives posted:I thought that they didn't play up the ambiguity of whether Toby actually leaked it or whether he jumped on the grenade for CJ and Leo enough. There's hints here and there but it's never really explored, probably because of Richard Schiff's unavailability in the last season. poo poo, you must be right. According to my hazy memory of the plotline, the leak was conclusively Toby. If that was actually technically ambiguous, then they did a crap job of emphasizing that, or I just missed some key dialogue. This thread has inspired a re-watch for me as well. mdemone fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Jul 14, 2011 |
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Jul 14, 2011 02:18
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jeffersonlives posted:I thought that they didn't play up the ambiguity of whether Toby actually leaked it or whether he jumped on the grenade for CJ and Leo enough. There's hints here and there but it's never really explored, probably because of Richard Schiff's unavailability in the last season. Hmm, I never really got that at all. I thought it was pretty obvious from the beginning it was Toby due to his brother's ties. I don't think they really did much to try and persuade the viewer otherwise.
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mdemone posted:poo poo, you must be right. According to my hazy memory of the plotline, the leak was conclusively Toby. If that was actually technically ambiguous, then they did a crap job of emphasizing that, or I just missed some key dialogue. It was definitely a plot point in Welcome to Wherever You Are with the US Attorney for the District floating (with a story that sure seemed like it was intended to be plausible) that it wasn't really Toby on his own, and it was hinted at a bit in other spots. Andi in WtWYA and Institutional Memory pretty strongly suggests that Toby's brother leaked the information to Toby, but they never really explored any of it past "Toby's gone, Toby's pardoned" and even that had little tension because we'd already seen Toby in the flash-forward.
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Deadpool posted:Hmm, I never really got that at all. I thought it was pretty obvious from the beginning it was Toby due to his brother's ties. I don't think they really did much to try and persuade the viewer otherwise. It's been a while, but doesn't CJ's reaction when Toby confesses to her pretty much rule out that she had any part in it?
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FISHMANPET posted:Next up in the rewatch is '2162 votes.' I know what happens, and I'm getting chills from the cold open alone. Hell yes. I've rewatched that episode so many times I think the DVD it's on is starting to wear out. Nothing better than some convention drama--makes me wish that conventions were still like that.
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TheBigBad posted:I was referring to when you guys helped Stackhouse filibuster for his grandkid. This was the first episode of "The West Wing" I saw, and the very end, where the Senator asks Stackhouse if he'd yield for a question, and then responded "My question is in twenty-six parts. You may want to sit down for it," sold me.
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MikeJF posted:It's been a while, but doesn't CJ's reaction when Toby confesses to her pretty much rule out that she had any part in it? To us, probably. I was more talking about the implications on the election and the other characters - the plot basically completely disappears for ten episodes with Toby showing up to occasionally be Josh's sounding board, then out of nowhere you've got the federal prosecutor trying to bring in Leo and CJ as part of a cobspiracy.
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In 2162 votes the shuttle plot was stupid because it was nowhere near as interesting as the convention plot. For the rest of the series, it's just kind of lame. I' not able to relate to the outrage that everybody is feeling, the writers just didn't sell it very well. It's also pretty much the exact opposite thing that I like about the West Wing, which is the day to day occurrences in the white house, and instead we get this big huge public drama thing. Just started Season 7 last night, not really looking forward to seeing this plot again, but the rest more than makes up for it.
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FISHMANPET posted:In 2162 votes the shuttle plot was stupid because it was nowhere near as interesting as the convention plot. For the rest of the series, it's just kind of lame. I' not able to relate to the outrage that everybody is feeling, the writers just didn't sell it very well. It's also pretty much the exact opposite thing that I like about the West Wing, which is the day to day occurrences in the white house, and instead we get this big huge public drama thing. The actor who played Toby also hated it since he believed that it was completely out of character.
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Absolutely my favourite show. Season 5 wanes, but last half of 6 and all of 7 are great. There is a dissapointing lack of Danny love in here. He was part of my inspiration when I was younger for becoming a journalist.
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CelestialScribe posted:Absolutely my favourite show. Season 5 wanes, but last half of 6 and all of 7 are great. I think Danny might be my favorite character, period. I don't think the writers really knew what to do with Toby after Sorkin left. He gets pissed at Josh for leaving to groom Santos, then gets pissed that Josh didn't work with him, then feeds lines to another candidate, then gets in a physical fight with Josh? Toby always crossed the line, but only with his words.
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I got really frustrated at that point. A physical fight between those two characters? It was just stupid and really out of character for them both. As if Toby would care that Josh left?
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CelestialScribe posted:I got really frustrated at that point. A physical fight between those two characters? It was just stupid and really out of character for them both. As if Toby would care that Josh left? I don't know. These are two guys who care deeply about what they do, and have a lot of history together. I don't remember the scene all that well (it's been years), but I don't think it's particularly out of character for two bros in a Profound Situation to throw blows. Now, it would have been out of character if either of them had been good at it. But feisty is something they both had, in spades. (Rewatching the pilot now and goddamn, Justine Bateman is smoking hot.)
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mdemone posted:(Rewatching the pilot now and goddamn, Justine Bateman is smoking hot.) Justine Bateman?
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mdemone posted:I don't know. These are two guys who care deeply about what they do, and have a lot of history together. I don't remember the scene all that well (it's been years), but I don't think it's particularly out of character for two bros in a Profound Situation to throw blows. The fight was pretty sissy, which was in character itself. Honestly, the fight was good if you can beleive the stuff that brought them to it, I just don't really believe it. And Justine Bateman? Huh?
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mdemone posted:(Rewatching the pilot now and goddamn, Justine Bateman is smoking hot.) Yeah pretty sure he's confused and she was never in The West Wing. Maybe you're thinking of Lisa Edelstein? Anyways I thought they basically didn't know what the gently caress to write about with Bartlett/Toby/CJ in the latter parts of S6 through S7. So the focus became increasingly about Vinick/Santos/Josh (and Leo for the first half of S7) which was the best post-Sorkin story telling. The whole Space Shuttle plot was completely forgettable. Also West Wing really did have some hot women. Teri Polo, Emily Proctor, Kristin Chenoweth, Janel Moloney etc. and they're also all really good actresses/played good characters. e: also random amazing West Wing clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQJ6yqQRAQs (from S2 Noel where Leo backs Josh with his PTSD) Mandoira fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Jul 15, 2011 |
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Mary Louise Parker was pretty great on the show. She makes more sense as Josh's love interest than Donna IMO.
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CobiWann posted:This was the first episode of "The West Wing" I saw, and the very end, where the Senator asks Stackhouse if he'd yield for a question, and then responded "My question is in twenty-six parts. You may want to sit down for it," sold me. I always liked that Donna came up with it. And how she brought it up. She raised her hand in the oval office like it was a classroom. "We don't have to raise our hand to speak." "Though it wouldn't be the worst idea in the world."
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Mu Zeta posted:Mary Louise Parker was pretty great on the show. She makes more sense as Josh's love interest than Donna IMO. They were way too much alike to every work out  (not that I was rooting against Donna or anything)
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I love this show, S5 drags a bit for me and I know there's episodes in there that I haven't seen. I should go back and do a slower re-watch so I'm not burnt out by the time I get to S5 again. I love the Santos campaign story through S6 & 7 though. And while we're posting about secondary characters and clips, I love this scene with Fitzwallace with the whole gays in the military stuff and his blunt matter of factness http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jWOamlD9_8
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KTS posted:I love this show, S5 drags a bit for me and I know there's episodes in there that I haven't seen. I should go back and do a slower re-watch so I'm not burnt out by the time I get to S5 again. I love the Santos campaign story through S6 & 7 though. Related video, and I think one of my favorite minor plots, an issue with Canada: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g81eGiLXA1M&feature=related
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