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Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

SINATRA.
Just finished upgrading to Lion and already I'm having problems.

My ethernet port is now all but useless. I can assign it an IP and it says "Connected", but I can't ping the Mac from other machines on the network, I can't ping anything from the Mac, and I can't even ping its own IP from the Mac itself.

What the gently caress?

EDIT: Hurf, durf, that was easy. The upgrade installer nuked the subnet mask in the network config. :rolleyes:

Accipiter fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Jul 20, 2011

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Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

SINATRA.
Looks like Internet Sharing is busted on Lion. Under Snow Leopard I had a configuration set up where I would share my office wireless connection with my desktop via Ethernet on my MacBook Pro.

Worked like a charm, until I upgraded to Lion. Now, while I can get the two machines to see one another and ping one another and even ssh to one another, I can't get the desktop to reach the internet through the MacBook anymore.

This loving sucks. I really need this connection. Anyone have any suggestions?

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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Binary Badger posted:

He already said forty minutes ago, he updated his subnet mask, Lion somehow nerfed it, now he is happy. More people who don't think to hit refresh button.

Well, to be fair that was to get the two machines to talk to one another. Internet Sharing itself is still hosed.

And I have figured out why. You're not going to believe how loving hilariously bad this is.

So what I'm trying to do is simple... I have a desktop machine with no connectivity to anything, just a loose ethernet cable. I have my MacBook Pro, which I use to connect to the office wireless network. I then hook my desktop to the MacBook via ethernet, and I enable Internet Sharing on the MacBook so that the desktop can use its internet connection. Worked like a champ in Snow Leopard.

Here's how the baby computer-to-computer network is configured:
Desktop Ethernet: 10.50.0.19
MacBook Ethernet: 10.50.0.1

So while loving around trying to get Internet Sharing working on Lion, I would do pings, traceroutes, etc. while looking at the logs in Console to see if I could see what the gently caress was going on.

Then, by random chance I started a ping from the Desktop to the MacBook just as I fired up Internet Sharing. This is what I saw:

code:
root@crclab02:~# ping 10.50.60.1
PING 10.50.60.1 (10.50.60.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
From 192.168.2.1 icmp_seq=2 Time to live exceeded
From 192.168.2.1 icmp_seq=3 Time to live exceeded
From 192.168.2.1 icmp_seq=4 Time to live exceeded
From 192.168.2.1 icmp_seq=5 Time to live exceeded
^C
--- 10.50.60.1 ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 0 received, +4 errors, 100% packet loss, time 4001ms
Needless to say, that's completely goddamned retarded and nonsensical. So on a whim, I changed the IP addresses of both machines leaving all other settings as is:

Desktop Ethernet: 192.168.2.2
MacBook Ethernet: 192.168.2.1

Suddenly Internet Sharing started working just fine. I went back and re-tested a few times to make sure I wasn't hallucinating or missing something, but sure enough, Mac OS 10.7 Internet Sharing from Wireless to Ethernet will only work if your Mac's ethernet address is set to 192.168.2.1. Period.

THANKS, APPLE. :argh:

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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Thank Christ for the "Use Classic Layout" checkbox in Mail's preferences.

I'll keep my iPad mail client on my iPad, thanks.

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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Dan Hollis posted:

Does full-screen work on existing apps or only for apps made with Lion in mind?

Apps need to specifically support the feature. It'll put one of these doodads in the upper-right corner:

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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lelandjs posted:

The real size is maybe 1GB and honestly I'd say it's worth it, especially if you have a computer without an optical drive.

Significantly less than that, actually. It's about 650 Megs.

I deleted the partition anyway (and merged it with the primary partition) since I burned a DVD.

EDIT: Oh you loving cocksmokers. Lion requires the recovery partition to be present if you want to use FileVault.

Accipiter fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Jul 20, 2011

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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sonicice posted:

How do I exit full screen mode? :stare:

Move your mouse all the way to the top of the screen so the menu bar drops down. Then hit the blue double-arrow button in the upper-right corner.

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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Chrome isn't using the system fullscreen support, it's using its own implementation.

Try hitting ⌘-Shift-F.

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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Doctor Zero posted:

It's really not. If you wanted to see the bottom of a piece of paper in front of you, would you push up on it? or push down?


you'd push up

Once you get that in your head it makes perfect sense.

(I had to do this way back in IBM terminal days)

Yeah, that works fine when you're manipulating the data directly. (e.g. Via touchscreen.) With an intermediary device like a mouse or a trackpad, it makes less sense.

See: every mouse scroll wheel ever. It's the exact same finger motion, and reversing it would make no sense at all.

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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gregday posted:

Anyone having issues with custom IMAP folders in Lion Mail? I use "Trash" and "Sent" as the folder names on my server, but Mail insists on creating and using "Deleted Messages" and "Sent Messages" instead. It used to be you could edit com.apple.mail.plist and change the folder names in there. I'm doing that, and it's keeping in the plist, but Mail is not honoring it. I really really do not want to change my IMAP folder names from what I've been using.

Select the folder in the sidebar and choose Mailbox > Use This Mailbox For...

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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grahm posted:

Are you guys using this inverted scrolling wackiness? It's not intuitive for me, but if this is what the future is like, I'd rather learn it now than later.

I can't stand it, and I shut it off immediately.

Like I said earlier, for direct manipulation it's appropriate. But via a mouse or touchpad it's analogous to turning your head. You scroll down when you want to look down, and scroll up when you want to look up.

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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So Launchpad doesn't respect your scroll-gesture preferences. It always uses "Natural" scrolling.

gently caress that poo poo.

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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Molten Llama posted:

Uh, no, it doesn't. If yours is, you've encountered a bug or didn't actually turn off natural scrolling.

I'm not saying it's not a bug, I'm describing the behavior. I'm not a moron.



Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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FamDav posted:

I'm assuming in the second picture you're moving your hand from right to left? If so that's the "non-natural" movement in launchpad. You're moving your hand to the left so launchpad is scrolling to the left.

Augh this makes no sense. Click-scrolling in launchpad works properly but gesture scrolling doesn't. But it does. :bang:

Whatever, I'm never going to use launchpad anyway so I guess it's not THAT big a deal.

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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Modern Pragmatist posted:

I didn't see it in the OP. What's the preferred app for removing duplicates in iTunes? I'm currently using Pollux for all of my identification / album art but need to prune my library.

What does this do for you?

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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FT posted:



I have been waiting for this option for so long.

That option was present in Snow Leopard. :ssh:

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

SINATRA.

FT posted:

Since when? Here's the equivalent area in Snow Leopard:


*shrug* I remember seeing it before I upgraded, and Apple's support site for 10.6 seems to agree:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.6/en/8402.html

It says "some computers" so the hardware probably has to support the function.

Accipiter fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Jul 23, 2011

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

SINATRA.

Alex DeLarge posted:

I feel dumb for asking this but how can I put a shortcut to the HD on the desktop? I just upgraded to Lion and can't seem to find it.

Finder Preferences > Show these items on the desktop > Hard disks

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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BlueFreshMarlboro posted:

I wonder if they programmed Lion to do this just to get people to buy new laptops.

I have an iMac and iPhone, and love the things, but I can't help but notice that Apple isn't held to the same antitrust/antimonopoly rules that Microsoft are. In other words, if Microsoft did a lot of the things that Apple does, they would get slammed really, really hard by the government.

Everything you are saying is terrible and you are an awful poster. Stop posting.

Zwille posted:

Me too, mid-2009 MBA. Things run a teensy bit sluggish too, sometimes, but overall I think the benefits outweigh the lost battery life. Maybe I even just need to recalibrate the battery.

Either way I'll probably be getting one of the new Airs as soon as I have the money.

The first few Leopard releases were hard on the battery too. 10.7.1 will have a poo poo ton of fixes, likely including some for optimized battery life.

One thing I immediately noticed upon upgrading to Lion was first-boot sluggishness. Then I realized it was because Spotlight was reindexing the drive. Once that stopped, everything went back to being nicely responsive.

Accipiter fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Jul 23, 2011

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

SINATRA.

MarquisDeSade posted:

I know this is dangerous but I keep regular backups of everything on my drive with Time Machine so I thought I would try anyway. Is there a way to have Snow Leopard ignore the SMART status of the hard drive in my late 2009 iMac? According to Disk Utility, the drive is failing, but I won't have a chance to get the drive replaced for a few days.

Because apparently it's failing, I can't install Lion. The installer prevents me from installing it on that drive.

Why would you risk corrupting your system by performing a major write operation on a failing hard drive? And if you keep regular backups, you'll end up propagating the corruption to your Time Machine files.

Jesus, just wait a few days.

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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dazjw posted:

What would really be better is if there had been some tool I could've used so I could see what my system was doing while booting up

Hold ⌘-v while the system boots.

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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Dan Hollis posted:

Is anyone else getting a weird glitch where turning on "private browsing" in safari logs you out of SA and other forums? Oddly enough, turning private browsing off automatically logs me back in to this site.

That's not a glitch. Private Browsing is 100% segregated from your cache, both read and write. When you turn it on, your browsing session moves to a clean and empty sandbox that stays persistent only while private browsing is on. When you turn it off, the sandbox is purged and you move back to your standard cache.

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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Dan Hollis posted:

How come I never had this issue before Lion? The whole purpose of private browsing for me is to not have people see the poo poo I read and see here on Something Awful (and porn of course.)

I seem to recall identical behavior in Snow Leopard, but I might just be remembering how Firefox does it. Because Firefox handles private browsing the exact same way.

unruly posted:

instead of sending existing Cookies and other session data, the browser is decoupled from the local resources altogether. This should be seen as an improvement in private browsing.

This.

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

SINATRA.
I am really loving hating that they did away with "Save As..." because now doing things like adjusting the size of a scanned image in Preview and trying to save it to the desktop is COMPLETELY GODDAMN IMPOSSIBLE without jumping through eight hundred hoops. Rather than just opening the file in Preview, adjusting the size, and choosing "Save As...", you've got to do some hokey horseshit to duplicate the file, make your changes, then "Save..." the file the way you want it and delete the original from wherever the gently caress.

And it took a bunch of monkeying with "Duplicate" and "Save a Version" to even figure out how to get it to do what I need. And this Version saving poo poo is also awful, since you adjust the size, save a version, and then close/reopen Preview only for it to pop open everything you'd already closed and TRIED to adjust.

I can't stand this bullshit.

Accipiter fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Jul 27, 2011

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

SINATRA.

lelandjs posted:

Make changes to the file, hit duplicate, then save the duplicate to the desktop. If you want to keep the original the way it is, Preview (and other apps) allow for that—it even pops up a dialog asking you what you want to do with the original when you duplicate it. Not that you need to worry about that, because even if you do accidentally save modifications to the original you can always pop open versions and revert it.

If you close the windows before you quit, it shouldn't pop them back open when you open the program again.

Yeah no, none of this is correct.

If you make changes to the file and hit duplicate, you end up with a copy of the non-edited version. You have to edit the actual duplicate an then save it out, and god help you if you decide you want to save over the original file. And there is no dialog box asking what I want to do with the original when I Duplicate. It just does it.

And when I close all documents and exit Preview, the next time I open Preview by opening the edited document, ALL of them open.

This system is not intuitive at all. Maybe it needs some tweaking to make more sense, but its current implementation is crap.

Even having a "Save As..." option would make everything all better.

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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natlampe posted:

Again I must ask; what's wrong with 'Export'?

All it does is save a copy of the unedited image in whatever alternate format you ask of it.

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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Doctor Zero posted:

Really? So I should be closing the doc that I'm working on, going to Finder, finding my doc, copying the file, changing the name, going back into the document again and keep working?

Thank you for beating me to the punch.

Sometimes you just want to make one edit to a file and save it separate from the original. This is not some crazy unheard of bird-brained operation.

And this is just talking about Preview. What about other applications that lack both "Save As..." AND "Export..."? Like say, TextEdit for example. Here's a perfect example. Open TextEdit, create a simple document, and "Save..." it to the desktop. Now make a minor change to the file, and find a way to save it in the exact same format as a completely separate document with a separate filename. YOU CAN'T DO IT.

Accipiter fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Jul 28, 2011

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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wdarkk posted:

Pretty sure the File->Duplicate menu item will do it in TextEdit.

"Duplicate" gives you two options:

1) Don't make any changes to the document, hit "Duplicate" and end up with two documents open - the original, and the new unsaved version.

2) Make your changes to the document, hit "Duplicate", receive a prompt asking what you want to do with the changes you've made. Choosing to continue will maintain the changes through to the new document, and you end up with two documents open. Choosing "Duplicate and Revert" changes the original back to how it was at the last save and carries the changes only to the duplicated version, and you end up with two documents open.

I reiterate: you can no longer simply open a document, make an edit, and save it as a different filename without going through the above ridiculous monkey business.

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

SINATRA.
Just found another bullshit feature removal/limitation in Lion.

Previously, Spaces allowed you to bring up the interface and manage all windows on all desktops. Not in Lion! Bringing up Mission Control will not allow you to move windows from any desktop other than the active desktop. So if you're on Desktop 2 and you want to bring up Mission Control to move a window from Desktop 3 to Desktop 1, you're loving out of luck because clearly that's too "power user" for Apple. Now you have to switch to the desktop with the app you want to move, bring up Mission Control, and THEN move it.

It's like 10.7 is the "add unnecessary steps to all tasks" release of Mac OS X. :(

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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geera posted:

did TM get changed in Lion?

Uh... I'm not sure how you missed the complete loving architectural changes in FileVault that came with lion but yeah there's tons of changes - in that as well as lots of other poo poo.

First boot is the worst thanks to spotlight indexing, and FileVault has been completely revamped. Plus there's a lot of under-the-hood changes that affect battery life and no doubt system performance that can easily impact temperature. Welcome to a .0 release of Mac OS. Wait for 10.7.1 or 10.7.2 and things should settle down a bit.

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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Anyone have any idea why Lion will immediately remount a USB flash drive when I "Eject" it?

It's the drive itself, because I have like five different USB flash drives and it only does it with one of them. It might just be its specific implementation. It's pretty old (32MB), so it's probably some bizarre first-gen behavior.

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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Doctor Zero posted:

Export is Save As...

No it ISN'T. Export is not "Save As", it's loving EXPORT. And TextEdit doesn't even have an "Export" function, only "Export as PDF".



Please stop talking out of your rear end.

The equivalent of "Save As" is File > Duplicate followed by File > Save... on the newly-created document.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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smackfu posted:

Is there some fundamental conflict between "Save As..." and versioning and auto-saving?

Because sometimes you just want to save a copy of a file for later editing without worrying about digging through a revision tree.

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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echobucket posted:

There's no digging through a revision tree, you hit "Duplicate" and then save the file with a new name.

That wasn't the question.

And the fundamental change between Duplicate and Save As is that there's another step to accomplish the same task.

rckstar79 posted:

That said, if you really want to create a copy of a file, wouldn't it be easier to do that via Finder?

And interrupt workflow to exit the active application where you're doing the editing just to make a copy, instead of just using Save As...?

Look people, this is a fundamental change in how user content is managed. You may like the new system and think it's cool beans, but accept the fact that for many people it adds steps to existing processes and introduces headaches.

Accipiter fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Aug 3, 2011

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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rckstar79 posted:

I feel like we're rehashing the same stuff, but doesn't export work just fine for this? And really, if you're changing formats, isn't export a better name for the process than "save as"?

For gently caress's sake, I don't know how many times I need to demonstrate that not all applications have the Export function. And Export is not a replacement for Save As because sometimes you want to keep the current format.



GOD.

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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rckstar79 posted:

You're right. But he was speaking specifically of Preview, which is an app that should logically support Export (because of the many interchangeable image formats). I'm not sure why TextEdit, for example, should support Export.

Because there are many different types of text files, not all of them plain text?

rckstar79 posted:

Likewise, while third party apps aren't free, they might fill some of these gaps/ease this transition. BBEdit supports both "Save As" and the autosave feature. In fact, BBEdit also has an appropriately named "Save a Copy..." option.

Save a Copy is essentially the same as "Duplicate" (just without the autosave functionality), so I suspect you'll see "Save a Copy" in BBEdit eventually get replaced with Duplicate to maintain consistency with the new way of things in Lion.

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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SwimNurd posted:

The problem is you are going to gently caress them up even more by blindly setting 777. I would go with repair permissions first.

Seriously, this. Wanton 777 is just asking for a heap of trouble, even if it's limited to the home directory. Don't do that.

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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wolffenstein posted:

Obviously you haven't read Petey's posts. He's already tried Repair Permissions among other troubleshooting steps.

He has backups, he seems to be the only user on his Mac right now, and he's been advised on the danger of the command. It's up to him if he wants to try my suggestion or not.

I would reinstall the OS before I nuked my home directory with global RWX. That's just insane.

Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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Stare-Out posted:

Launchpad on the other hand is completely useless, and making App Store apps go there instead of the Dock was a pretty dumb choice if you ask me.

Frankly I'm annoyed with either of those things. I'd rather the app store just stick them in the applications folder and leave it at that.

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Accipiter
Jan 24, 2004

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Anmitzcuaca posted:

So I kinda want to like the spelling correction in Lion as its useful for when I make typos, but is there a way to undo corrections with a keyboard shortcut? Like I wanna write Skream sometimes, not scream, but it won't let me and I have to stop typing to click on the word to stop it from changing it.

You kids today, totally forgetting the esc key exists or what it does.

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