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Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Whew, made it in, #37. Stranglers for the win!

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Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Two questions:

1) Do leftover points just sit there unused, or do they disappear, or do they get the % increase like last time? I can't remember what the decision was and I didn't see anything about it in the OP.

2) Am I not supposed to have any points available with which to customize my fighter at this time? I can't remember if that's normal or not. :)

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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As always, my goal is to die the most spectacularly pathetic death possible, see gently caress Rogers et. al.

With that in mind, I AM READY LET'S DO THIS GIVE ME MY POINTS GO GO GO

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Personally, I'd be happy with a smaller(!) 64-man tourney. :)

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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goatface posted:

Pre-testing your build is tantamount to cheating.

Pretesting your build is the coward's way! I haven't even downloaded the modified game and I am going to win something!

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Burginator posted:

I have never even installed dorf fortress, but I love the tourney. Hugh Mann will certainly win this tourney.

I've never even heard of dwarf fortress, much less used a computer! I will destroy all competition.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Wow, we're over 70 entered fighters, and almost 200 registered/activated users. This is getting pretty big!

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Krysmphoenix posted:

:cry: An antwoman killed my first Krying Phoenix.

That's why you should never pre-test your builds!

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Krysmphoenix posted:

Err...uh...we're all screwed.

You see, by pre-testing the build, you've set the viability of the fighter in stone. By not pre-testing my build, my fighter still has a chance to be viable, or even hugely successful! There's just no way to know.

Now I sort of wish I'd made a weretiger named Schrödinger.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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I take comfort in that fact--nay, I am relying on it! :black101:

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


With that in mind, did you need me to run the betting for the battle royal round, like before?

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


code:
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Fight: Brawl
Atom Ant in Adamant vs. Binary Mary vs. Crotch Rot vs. Dies Horribly vs. Grodimus Thunderbeard vs. Podima
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Chump                  Champ                  Change Payout
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Tag Plastic            Atom Ant in Adamant       100    TBD
FiddlersThree          Atom Ant in Adamant       100    TBD
Ionnracht              Atom Ant in Adamant        50    TBD
Jazzimus               Atom Ant in Adamant       200    TBD
Samopsa                Atom Ant in Adamant       100    TBD
ChickenWing            Atom Ant in Adamant       200    TBD
Tag Plastic            Binary Mary               100    TBD
Arrhythmia             Binary Mary               100    TBD
Krysmphoenix           Crotch Rot                200    TBD
Jimmy4400nav           Crotch Rot                100    TBD
Jeans                  Crotch Rot                100    TBD
steinrokkan            Crotch Rot                 50    TBD
ChickenWing            Crotch Rot                200    TBD
RickVoid               Dies Horribly            1000    TBD
Anchors                Dies Horribly              10    TBD
Synthorange            Dies Horribly             100    TBD
Public Opinion         Grodimus Thunderbeard     150    TBD
goatface               Grodimus Thunderbeard     131    TBD
Boing                  Grodimus Thunderbeard     250    TBD
Jonis                  Grodimus Thunderbeard     500    TBD
AmadeusVonBlastoise    Grodimus Thunderbeard     150    TBD
Zarah                  Grodimus Thunderbeard     200    TBD
Maugrim                Podima                    150    TBD
Bozikek                Podima                    100    TBD
-----------------------------------------------------------
Total                                                  4341
===========================================================

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


Podima posted:

:argh: His name is BIGGS MANFIGHTER and he'll bite your noses off! Except for Maugrim and Bozikek, youse two are cool.

Jimmy4400nav posted:

Actually, my bet was for Binary Mary, not Crotch Rot, other than that though, awesome spread sheet.

Fixed and fixed.

code:
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Fight: Brawl
Atom Ant in Adamant vs. Biggs Manfighter vs. Binary Mary vs. Crotch Rot vs. Dies Horribly vs. Grodimus Thunderbeard
-----------------------------------------------------------
Chump                  Champ                  Change Payout
-----------------------------------------------------------
Tag Plastic            Atom Ant in Adamant       100    TBD
FiddlersThree          Atom Ant in Adamant       100    TBD
Ionnracht              Atom Ant in Adamant        50    TBD
Jazzimus               Atom Ant in Adamant       200    TBD
Samopsa                Atom Ant in Adamant       100    TBD
ChickenWing            Atom Ant in Adamant       200    TBD
Klokwurk               Atom Ant in Adamant       100    TBD
ZeeToo                 Atom Ant in Adamant        50    TBD
Maugrim                Biggs Manfighter          150    TBD
Bozikek                Biggs Manfighter          100    TBD
longgonejohn           Biggs Manfighter          200    TBD
HiHo ChiRho            Biggs Manfighter          300    TBD
Klokwurk               Biggs Manfighter          100    TBD
Gildiss                Biggs Manfighter          100    TBD
Podima                 Biggs Manfighter          100    TBD
ZeeToo                 Biggs Manfighter           50    TBD
Dallbun                Biggs Manfighter          100    TBD
Jimmy4400nav           Binary Mary               100    TBD
Tag Plastic            Binary Mary               100    TBD
Arrhythmia             Binary Mary               100    TBD
longgonejohn           Binary Mary               100    TBD
Orv                    Binary Mary               500    TBD
Goatie                 Binary Mary                10    TBD
ZeeToo                 Binary Mary                50    TBD
Silverminnow           Binary Mary               250    TBD
Vox Nihili             Binary Mary                50    TBD
Krysmphoenix           Crotch Rot                200    TBD
Jeans                  Crotch Rot                100    TBD
steinrokkan            Crotch Rot                 50    TBD
ChickenWing            Crotch Rot                200    TBD
Iunnrais               Crotch Rot                100    TBD
ZeeToo                 Crotch Rot                 50    TBD
RickVoid               Dies Horribly            1000    TBD
Anchors                Dies Horribly              10    TBD
Synthorange            Dies Horribly             100    TBD
Pure kamikaze          Dies Horribly             100    TBD
Erakko                 Dies Horribly             200    TBD
Public Opinion         Grodimus Thunderbeard     150    TBD
goatface               Grodimus Thunderbeard     131    TBD
Boing                  Grodimus Thunderbeard     250    TBD
Jonis                  Grodimus Thunderbeard     500    TBD
AmadeusVonBlastoise    Grodimus Thunderbeard     150    TBD
Zarah                  Grodimus Thunderbeard     200    TBD
TheWhaler              Grodimus Thunderbeard     150    TBD
-----------------------------------------------------------
Total                                                  7001
===========================================================

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


e: beaten, apparently, but there you have it!

code:
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Fight: BRAWL
Atom Ant in Adamant vs. Biggs Manfighter vs. Binary Mary vs. Crotch Rot vs. Dies Horribly vs. Grodimus Thunderbeard
-----------------------------------------------------------
Chump                  Champ                  Change Payout
-----------------------------------------------------------
Tag Plastic            Atom Ant in Adamant       100      0
FiddlersThree          Atom Ant in Adamant       100      0
Ionnracht              Atom Ant in Adamant        50      0
Jazzimus               Atom Ant in Adamant       200      0
Samopsa                Atom Ant in Adamant       100      0
ChickenWing            Atom Ant in Adamant       200      0
Klokwurk               Atom Ant in Adamant       100      0
ZeeToo                 Atom Ant in Adamant        50      0
Maugrim                Biggs Manfighter          150      0
Bozikek                Biggs Manfighter          100      0
longgonejohn           Biggs Manfighter          200      0
HiHo ChiRho            Biggs Manfighter          300      0
Klokwurk               Biggs Manfighter          100      0
Gildiss                Biggs Manfighter          100      0
Podima                 Biggs Manfighter          100      0
ZeeToo                 Biggs Manfighter           50      0
Dallbun                Biggs Manfighter          100      0
Jimmy4400nav           Binary Mary               100      0
Tag Plastic            Binary Mary               100      0
Arrhythmia             Binary Mary               100      0
longgonejohn           Binary Mary               100      0
Orv                    Binary Mary               500      0
Goatie                 Binary Mary                10      0
ZeeToo                 Binary Mary                50      0
Silverminnow           Binary Mary               250      0
Vox Nihili             Binary Mary                50      0
Krysmphoenix           Crotch Rot                200      0
Jeans                  Crotch Rot                100      0
steinrokkan            Crotch Rot                 50      0
ChickenWing            Crotch Rot                200      0
Iunnrais               Crotch Rot                100      0
ZeeToo                 Crotch Rot                 50      0
RickVoid               Dies Horribly            1000   4428
Anchors                Dies Horribly              10     44
Synthorange            Dies Horribly             100    443
Pure kamikaze          Dies Horribly             100    443
Erakko                 Dies Horribly             200    886
Fredrik1               Dies Horribly             250   1107
Public Opinion         Grodimus Thunderbeard     150      0
goatface               Grodimus Thunderbeard     131      0
Boing                  Grodimus Thunderbeard     250      0
Jonis                  Grodimus Thunderbeard     500      0
AmadeusVonBlastoise    Grodimus Thunderbeard     150      0
Zarah                  Grodimus Thunderbeard     200      0
TheWhaler              Grodimus Thunderbeard     150      0
Dirty Frank            Grodimus Thunderbeard     100      0
-----------------------------------------------------------
Total                                                  7351
===========================================================
Which will give everyone the following funds for round 1 (and if you're not on the list, you have precisely 1000 dorfbux to play with!)

code:
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Chump                         Change   ||   Chump                         Change
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AmadeusVonBlastoise              850   ||   Anchors                         1034
Arrhythmia                       900   ||   Boing                            750
Bozikek                          900   ||   ChickenWing                      600
Dallbun                          900   ||   Dirty Frank                      900
Erakko                          1685   ||   FiddlersThree                    900
Fredrik1                        1857   ||   Gildiss                          900
goatface                         869   ||   Goatie                           990
HiHo ChiRho                      700   ||   Ionnracht                        950
Iunnrais                         900   ||   Jazzimus                         800
Jazzimus Prime                  1010   ||   Jeans                            900
Jimmy4400nav                     900   ||   Jonis                            500
Klokwurk                         800   ||   Krysmphoenix                     800
longgonejohn                     700   ||   Maugrim                          850
Orv                              500   ||   Podima                           910
Public Opinion                   850   ||   Pure kamikaze                   1342
RickVoid                        4428   ||   rickvoid                        1100
Samopsa                          900   ||   Silverminnow                     750
Smarms                          1010   ||   Snake Fist                      1010
steinrokkan                      950   ||   Synthorange                     1342
Tag Plastic                      800   ||   ThCawdor                        1010
TheWhaler                        850   ||   Vox Nihili                       950
Zarah                            800   ||   ZeeToo                           800
================================================================================

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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I got the email saying my dude wasn't set up. He is now set up. Ready to fail spectacularly (I don't expect to make it past round one but I suspect that if I do, it'll be...quite something.)

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Arrhythmia posted:

Actually, it's less of "a fighting chance" and more "guaranteed victory". I just run around a dozen or so battle with a Gremlin that had 1900 in every attribute that would affect battle, against a Yeti that had only 1000 in each attribute. Both of them would have steel long swords, and were otherwise unskilled. The Gremlin won every single battle, and didn't lose until I had two Yetis on a team against the little guy, and even then it was incredibly close.

I think there was a battle in the last tournament where a guy spawned with fantastic attributes, and killed his opponent (who I'm pretty sure was a couple sizes larger than him) in one hit.

Was it the same gremlin, or did you reset every time? Because creatures learn EXTREMELY quickly in the arena, so if he survived the first couple matches intact, he was probably quite skilled by the end of it, as compared to the fresh opponents being brought in.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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No, they used to be, but with the latest version, they are always the average for that race.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Definitely true. I just know I made the same mistake early on in one of the other tournaments, testing a build I thought was amazing, but it turned out that the amazing part was just that it survived round one, became awesome at everything, and then stomped all over the competition I provided. (No, I'm not referring to gently caress Rogers, although I wish I had that excuse.)

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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I don't know if it's possible, but if you want to try to ingest the historic betting records for the previous tournaments, I can certainly provide them.

Otherwise, PM me and fill me in on your DB layout and I'll produce some sql myself. Just thought it might be fun to have the old stuff added in for history. :)

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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e: f;b, however it was Ko that won, and Ko had the greater amount of money on him, making for a net loss. :)


Unless the total amount of money on each fighter was precisely the same, and your bets were both the same, you did not break even.

The calculation for how much you win is as follows:

(amount you bet on fighter / total amount bet on fighter by everyone) * total amount bet on fight

It looks like you bet $50 on each guy. The amount on each fighter in that fight was 2865 and 1797, for Ko and Goobert, respectively. That means you lost the $50 on Goobert, and won ($50 / $2865) * 4662 = $81. So that bet alone made you a profit of $31, but you spent an additional $50 for a net loss of $19.

That is to say, you put $100 into that fight, and came away with $81 in your pocket.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Furthermore, if the underdog (as determined by crowd favorite based on betting) had won, you would have walked away with about $130. Of course, the optimal course of action is to just pick the winner outright. :D

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Jazzimus Prime posted:

VVVVVV edit: Ko actually lost, but the way that I had laid out the Player Bet History charts, I actually made it look like the opposite had happened. I've changed the column order to be a bit more intuitive. VVVVVV

Huh, weird. Okay then, good job, Jimmy, you gained $30 for straddling the fence. :D

Also agree re: showing the payoff on the player/match bets pages. That would be hugely useful. :)

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Hey Jazzimus...I have one teeny tiny request for the betting interface. When looking at the match bets view, there's a lot of noise in the form of 0.00 dorfbux. Could you maybe make that text dark grey, black, or even just remove it altogether in that case? Otherwise, it's hard to get a feel for the bets on a fight without carefully reading each and every bet, and the associated amount.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Awesome, thanks! Much easier to scan over now. :)

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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If it's working as betting behaved historically, any new bets should be in addition to your old bets. So if you already had a bet of 500 and you place a bet of 400 on the same fighter, you now have two bets, one at 500 and one at 400, for a total of 900. That's how it's supposed to be, anyhow. All bets should be final and you can only increase the amount you bet on a fighter (by adding new bets.) As to whether it's actually doing that, or not, well... ;)

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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A new request for Jazzimus: could you make it so it highlights ones own fights on the tournament schedule and bracket? The brackets are a lot bigger than I think we originally imagined, and it'd be nice to be able to just flip through real fast and find your own fights. :)

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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My strangler vs. kobold fight can really only go one way. I learned nothing from the travesty that was gently caress Rogers.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Iunnrais posted:

Come on Kobolds! You can do it!!

I hope not! :ese:

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Krysmphoenix posted:

With the current betting system, I believe these bets are now impossible. :smith:

You can still bet on both sides of a match. At least a few people already have this tournament.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Ramping it up somehow, of course, such as by staging the fight on a 1-tile-wide catwalk over magma.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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I'm thinking of some sort of Dwarena Master, to generate random battle arenas similar to the Great Dworacle's challenges.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Khisanth Magus posted:

Also, since apparently you are allowing latecomers to join in the betting, any chance I could get in there?

All you gotta do to join in the betting is to sign up on the arenachallenge.com website and start throwing your money around. :)

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Krysmphoenix posted:

I wouldn't have believed it either. Holy poo poo. How many kobolds do I have to kill in testing to get that kind of luck?

I don't think you quite grasp how luck works. ;)

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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I can still run betting for side-stuff if needed, although I don't think there'd be any prizes from it except bragging rights. :)

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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PublicOpinion posted:

Ha, turns out relentlessly soliciting bets for my opponent has propelled me to 5th in the gambling standings.

Huh. Well, in that case, I'd like to point out that fight 52 has a rather lop-sided set of bets right now! Almost 2:1 odds, get it while it's hot!

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Maugrim posted:

If you do want to move, I'm sure there'd be a home for you on goondorfs.net?

Yeah, of course: any goon DF-related project is welcome. I can't promise we'd actually be any safer, though, really, and I doubt this is even remotely close to a normal occurrence. ;)

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Krysmphoenix posted:

Welp...I'm now 1-7 for Team Kobold. Hugs for Everyone seems to have pretty decent betting odds to win--wait a second? Bad Munki? You put 500 against your gladiator?

Yep. It's the only way to get a sure thing. Either I win one way, or I win another. Don't much care which way it is.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Holymotherofshitfuck HOW DID I WIN?

Vox Nihili posted:

Note: One (1) level of weapon skill does not cut it for a small fighter.

Oh. That's how. :eng99:

Honestly didn't expect that. Hell yes. I thought that with my build, I was basically doomed. Enjoy the money I bet against myself, supporters! It's your payment for believing in me. :D

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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An untrained one, at that.

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Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

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Halloween Jack posted:

I don't think I've ever seen a grappling molemarian. I assume they could grab you while kicking you in the face repeatedly, like a pissed-off cat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCcK-QYJcSU#t=1m57s

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