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Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
Wow, never knew we had a Prequel thread, I always kind of figured the combination of catgirl and MSPA would be something goons would revile. I love the story so far but I find it best to just forget it exists for months at a time so the slow update speed is at least a little less painful. Kind of neat to see that Kaz has been posting here, it's interesting seeing his viewpoint on things. (And add me to the list of people who always assumed he was a woman, oh well.)

Kaz, I know you're probably not willing to give plot details away, but I'm curious if you have a definite ending already planned and whether you'd be willing to give at least a vague estimate of how far along in the story we are at this point?

Personally I'm hoping Katia has a few adventures to get to yet...it's weird, I've never been able to stomach Oblivion even though I loved Morrowind and Skyrim, but this comic has actually made it endearing. If only this had been the plot to the actual game.

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Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
:siren: Update! :siren:


e:

Let's hear what the fans have to say!

quote:

CardiacTasty • 18 minutes ago

Completely platonic as in heart-of-stone platonic, or completely platonic as in you-kind-of-sort-of-like-your-cousin platonic?

...

:ughh:

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
Oh gently caress you all, I thought there's been some huge amazing update or a cliffhanger or something. :(

Any hope we'll see Katia confront Sigrid by this time next year?

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
Whoa twice in the same month?

Guys, poo poo up the thread some more, your smeared feces seems to work as some sort of amazing motivational tool!

That was the saddest tail-wag ever though. :(

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
The idea of a chicken nugget-induced injury is kind of inherently funny and all, but getting a major burn of any kind definitely isn't, and hot oil is the worst. :ohdear:

Of course that's just a guess as to the most likely cause, whatever the case I hope it's nothing too serious and he recovers soon.

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
I would absolutely watch a cooking show hosted by Kazerad.

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf

umalt posted:

"Alright, for this part of the recipe you gotta stir the Doritos™ into the mixture for five minutes with a weedeater."

A bit more how I envision it.

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
next time must remember to boil water in a cooking vessel of some kind, hands are not a substitute

attempts to microwave chicken have led to a horrible feathery mess

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf

jetz0r posted:

Slicing your hand open might have been the better alternative to eating the bag of chicken mush you were going to microwave.

This is exactly what I was thinking as I read, that poo poo sounded absolutely nauseating and I'd have taken stitches over eating canned chicken buffalo chex slurry any day. Kaz, you have no idea how lucky you were. Canned chicken is only to be used as a treat for cats and maybe for extremely low effort and tasteless chicken salad, if you're desperate.

Though in hindsight considering your culinary disability I suppose it's also lucky you were only experimenting with that...concoction instead attempting to cook actual breaded chicken in an actual frying pan filled with hot oil.

So, uh, seconding JT Jag's suggestion a thousand times over. If nothing else maybe buy some frozen dinners? (And keep us updated on any new and exciting ways you may find to seriously injure yourself using only a microwave.)

Oh yes and for the goon freaking out about the very concept of canned chicken being a thing that exists: I have done this IRL.

Zoe fucked around with this message at 06:11 on Dec 18, 2014

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
I admit I'm kind of morbidly curious to try canned chicken chicken nuggets now. Just drain, rinse and dry it really well, add some salt, pepper, garlic powder and cayenne. Use an egg for binding instead of as a wash and just roll it in flour and fry...they might still disintegrate in the pan but I guess instead of coating the outside you could mix in some cracker crumbs and make passable chicken meatballs instead.

ANIME MONSTROSITY posted:

for the botulin producing bacteria
to produce botulin in

Man you're right, the human race would be so much better off if we'd never learned to preserve food, it's just unsafe.

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
^^^excuse me what is this 'comic' you speak of, you must be confused this is the cooking injuries and canned chicken thread

Tollymain posted:

i need to buy a can opener that works because right now i have to resort to basically perforating around the lid of the can with it and then tearing the lid off by levering a butterknife through the larger holes :shepface:

And yet you've never wound up in a hospital, amazing!

I have a fancy one that slices the lid right off from the side of the can, it's nice because there's no sharp edges at all so afterwards you can safely use your can for storage or crafts if you're some kind of hoarder.

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf

Afraid of Audio posted:

Oh that wacky Kazerad, what will that scamp do next. I sure hope he doesn't get into any crazy hijinks that will stop him from writing his hosed up comic no siree.

For a guy who isn't even interested in the comic you sure are obsessive about reading and posting in the thread...


e: oh wait that's right you did that exact same thing in the Starbound thread, I remember now. I guess it's just your unique posting style. 'boy I sure hate this thing. I guess I will just pop in, on a regular basis, and post a single line about how I still continue to hate it. Just in case anyone forgot.'

Zoe fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Dec 18, 2014

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
It's basically just tuna with less flavor.

...why am I sitting here defending the honor of canned chicken, what has gone wrong in my life to reach this point? :negative:

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf

RandomPauI posted:

This is not what we are defending. I am 90% sure some other country made and sold whole chicken in a can before the US started making it too.




To be fair even to the disgusting slimy kind of chicken, that's apparently based on a thing farmers were doing back before refrigeration was available everywhere, just stuffing chickens whole in a mason jar whenever it was time to trim down the flock.

I have no idea why we're still doing it though because it's loving gross.

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
Can Katia learn how to cook? I think it would be useful, if she gets in a fight she can just stop time a minute and eat twenty bowls of apple and cabbage stew or w/e the Oblivion equivalent is.

Also she would then be more skilled than her creator at something. From her perspective it would be like being a better cook than God, I'm sure that would really help improve her self esteem if she ever found out.

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf

ANIME MONSTROSITY posted:

I believe, that all media containing rape, should be banned and their creators hung and quartered

Agreed. Where can I sign the petition.
Though I really don't think it goes far enough, later once it's passed I'd like to see it amended to include people who create media including other major crimes, or just people who do or say or refer in passing to things I find offensive in general. I mean how dare they be allowed to post on the same forum/live on the same planet as us.


jng2058 posted:

Granted, the effect is muted when you all quote him so much

Yeah, this is the problem, in theory using ignore is great, in practice it's completely pointless unless everyone's doing it.

Anyway, Kaz I hope you have some extra money in the bank this year, because as of right now your part's already going to be $360 and there's still five days to go...

Also are you going to be personally delivering these Legos? You are planning on dressing up as Santa while you do this, correct?

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
Let's stop talking about shitposts now.

Instead, let's have a serious discussion about Legos.

Do you guys feel that, as cool as they are, all the specific sets kids have to choose from now actually makes them use less creativity than the giant red bucket of random blocks we all had growing up?



I mean, this owns and I want to own it (buy it for me Kaz) but it's basically just playing with figures, there's not enough blocks in there to do much actual building.

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

Let's have another look at the fundraiser then: $2000, drat. You may want to set an upper limit on how much you'll be donating Kaz, because I don't think a man living on canned chicken can afford a fifth of everything being raised here.

Yeah that's what I was thinking, and still five days to go. I bet matching 20% ain't looking like such a hot idea now...

Zoe fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Dec 20, 2014

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

Edit: Audio's gone for a grouch in the webcomics thread, but he didn't say what comic he was referring to so everyone's ignoring him.

Kaz literally raped Katia? Like he drew a picture of himself and her together, or actually created some sort of life-sized doll, or...?

Either way this is quite a disturbing development!

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf

Anora posted:

Those sets allow crazy pieces like the tank treads, drill, and dogs to be made, which allows for more creativity then a red bucket.

But the drill is just a drill and the dogs are just dogs? You're not 'making' them and you can't reconfigure them into anything else.

Though I agree that once you get enough spare parts handy anything is possible, at that point the specific set pieces are just icing on the cake. Which I guess means the best of both worlds would be the big bucket and as many custom sets you can afford. (Which is not many because drat those things are pricey now, I will never forgive my parents for donating my old collection...)

vvvv oh my god

so cute

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf

Strategic Tea posted:

And now I want some legos for christmas :unsmith:

Well we know where at least 200 boxes of Legos will be on Christmas day, just sneak into that hospital and snatch Christmas away from those sick and injured kids like the goddamn Grinch.

You'll be teaching them an important lesson about how Christmas is more than just presents and how it's better to give Legos to Strategic Tea than to receive.

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
Yeah there was a point where things went bad for Katia and she responded by getting shitfaced drunk AGAIN where I had to ragequit the entire comic for awhile, but when I came back to it that turned out to be her lowest point and since then she's very, very slowly started getting a better grip on her life. And without spoiling things later there's this point where it's obvious she's turned a corner and it's such a relief knowing that no matter how bad things get, they'll never get that bad again.

Or maybe I'm just letting myself get too involved with some crappy fanfic about the lamest Elder Scrolls game, but even moreso than the crippling self loathing Katia deals with it's the drinking that got to me. I guess it just hits close to home because I've had a cousin who's had issues with alcoholism as long as I can remember and she's put the entire family through an unbelievable amount of poo poo over the years, to the point I have zero sympathy for her anymore even if it really is 'not her fault' and 'she can't help herself' and blah blah blah. For all the flak Kaz gets for the situations he's put Katia in, realistically having drunken sex with some random guy and kind of regretting the morning after is one of the least bad results that can come from getting black out drunk on a regular basis.

Parts Kit posted:

I am completely meh on the story but some of the scripting stuff Kazerad and those who helped him did in the dream sequence was pretty cool.

Weirdly enough I just read that part earlier today, and it's still amazing. My favorite sequence in the comic by far and I only hope we get more like it when Sigrid's dealt with and we get back on track of that part of the plot.

Zoe fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Dec 21, 2014

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
Most of the depressing stuff was in the beginning of the comic, if you don't like fiction where things go wrong for the main character just skip to here, the dinner party is well worth reading through and IIRC everything's been pretty much uphill since then. And refusing to read the comic at all means you miss out entirely on meeting the Perfectly Normal Human Girl and the Daedric Prince of Nightmares and the entire 'Katia learns telekinesis' sequence, why would you deny yourself of this.

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

It's not entirely obvious until you've read the whole thing, but there is a moment 50 pages in (around where Zoe linked to) where Katia turns a corner and the comic gets really enjoyable.

The first 50 pages are kind of mean-spirited in that they're just one crushing disappointment after another with humour indiscriminately sewn throughout and you certainly wouldn't be the first person to quit during that period. This is generally the time where the whole 'torture porn' accusation comes from.

50 pages in though, Katia vows to turn things around and you can see a distinct change in the way the comic treats her. She starts having a great many successes - getting on with things instead of endlessly screwing up, learning some great new skills, successfully navigating a dinner party with a scary countess and gaining enough self confidence that later on, when she hits another dark moment, her response is (after struggling with her feelings for a bit) to get that poo poo sorted.

The tone of the comic also changes to use humour and drama much more effectively - moments where Katia is just screwing about are pretty tame and easily laughed off, for both us and her, like trying to take on a pair of mudcrabs by hiding behind a rock and chucking apples at them. Bigger setbacks, like her nightmares, often drop the humour entirely and become these really neat, dark, dramatic moments, with some good animated and/or interactive segments with the occasional clever twist, like Katia's dream self hiding from a monster inside a drop-down box.

The most obvious example of this came recently, where a bad situation was treated with humour because Katia (for reasons I won't spoil) didn't realise the danger she was blindly walking through, then as she came to her senses and lost control of her emotions it became this grimly atmospheric nightmare that ramped up the drama nicely. Then it all got capped off in a really fun, emotionally satisfying and well made segment where she learns some new skills, has a confusing pep-talk from a ghost, gets her confidence back and goes to get. That. poo poo. SORTED. LIKE THIS:




If you aren't convinced by the dinner party, try this link on a PC that can run flash, do the interactive bits and read to the current update - it's pretty much the comic at its best and if that won't convince you then it really isn't for you!


A summary of this should go in the OP. Or at least some kind of mentioned that the tone of the early comic is significantly darker than the rest might be helpful. Right now it's says it's 'strongly recommended you start in the beginning' when it seems like it's the beginning that's scaring some readers off. Of course just skipping it all may give some of the later triumphs less impact, but at the same time there's still a lot of people who read comics for escapism and fun and in particular weren't expecting to get hit over the head with the grim reality of addiction and crippling self-loathing issues right off the bat in a cutesy-looking comic about an Oblivion catgirl.

quote:

See, this is the kind of thing I wanted to talk about in this thread originally. God it feels good to just enthuse about stuff. :)

Yeah, I always wished this thread had more actual comic discussion as well. Besides the fact that Katia has been getting so much more awesome lately, this comic has some of the greatest side characters. I just reread the whole 'You are now Captain Gaius' segment and it's still fantastic. Vaermina is not at all what anyone expected and even with all the hilarity there there's that 'holy poo poo' moment at her reaction to learning about the nightmares. As much as I want to see Sigrid get taken down, with the slow update pace it's easy to forget that this is just a sidequest. Finding whoever/whatever is causing the nightmares and dealing with them is still the central conflict of the story as I see it...arguably they're what drove Katia to drinking and led to a bunch of her other issues.

I assume it's some Daedric rear end in a top hat trying to mess up her destiny as the PC, but there might be more to it than that.

e:


Want an avatar of this. :3:

Zoe fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Dec 21, 2014

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
And even if you can't directly relate it to anything in your own life experience you can still empathize with her provided you're a human being with human emotions. The 'sad/down on their luck underdog who nothing ever goes right for' has been a thing in fiction for kind of a long time, guys! That's right, our ancestors enjoyed torture porn as well. Shame on them.

I think one thing that does make Katia more relatable than typical fantasy characters though is the fact that, regardless of where the plot eventually takes her, the biggest obstacles she overcame weren't when she was trying to become some magic-wielding badass Chosen One who helps save the world, her most important victories have been all about just surviving and finding a job she's good at learning to be happy and have respect for herself, which are issues I'm sure plenty of readers deal with every day.

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
So I would like to hear an update on these $4000 worth of Lego sets.

(I would also like to fill a swimming pool with $4000 worth of Lego blocks and then dive into it even though logically I know this would probably hurt a lot.)

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
I do hope Katia has the sense to loot the place while she's up there like any respectable Khajiit. I mean hero.

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf

khy posted:

As a webcomic fan I want to punch the author/artist in the face and scream "JUST loving GET ON WITH IT ALREADY WILL YOU"

Maybe he's just stalling while he gets something cool together for the imp fight.

On one hand I'm fully expecting Katia to gently caress this up in a spectacular way, on the other hand I'm impatient to see her take on Sigrid so please let her have a little success at this minor newbie poo poo already, jeez.

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
Why was that spoilered?

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
I realize that in a comic where everything possible thing will go wrong for the main character it probably does make sense to stress about every. single. little. detail, and yes I get that's the joke, but drat, just get in there already.

Some funny panels in here but I guess I may just be getting tired of the way this particular plotline is dragging on...or maybe it's just the slow updates making it seem that way. That comment about the earlier imp fight happening 'a few days ago' really puts things in perspective.

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf

Grapplejack posted:

You have a couple characters you could use that have impacted the story that you could expand upon while you work on the flash, like quillweave or NAH or the uh, that one guy

I wouldn't mind watching that Imperial soldier guy out on one of his patrols. He seemed fun. (if stabbing criminals and dogs and dogs who are also criminals is your idea of fun)

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
Dammit Rajirra! :argh:

I guess we know the reasons for the delays now though, that was a fantastic update. Amazing what a high tolerance Katia has for getting burned and exploded though, considering how bad I am at this game...

Gotta say, I loved the 'feline agility' bit that transitions to the game, it's a small thing but a nice touch.

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
If you ever manage to stop getting exploded you shoot fireballs at him while his shield is down. All you need is C and your mouse.

hold barrels in front of you with Z if you want but it doesn't seem to help much. Luckily Katia seems to be strongly resistance to repeated fireballs to the face; must be that protective layer of fur.

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
Rajirra already grabbed the reward and ran I'm sure. Utilizing those khajiit instincts. (not racist)

But hopefully our new self-confident imp-murdering Katia will have no trouble chasing her down and getting it back.

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf

khy posted:

I love the gently caress everything avatar but is it possible to fit "Lightning Resist > Fire Magic > gently caress everything" into a single avatar?

I have the same question. I don't even really care if it's fully animated or not, it's fine if it just cycles through the images. The important thing is just that I grab it before khy and jng do.

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
I can't remember the actual requirements, but going by where your character is when you start the game, she'll have to have a certain number of major and minor skills before she can be level 1 and a hero proper.

And at some point before that I assume she'll have to burn Kvatch to the ground.

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
Did all the work, got locked in there to die? Oh man, Katia deserves at least 45%.

Er, I don't foresee this negotiation going well...

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
Rajirra, for gently caress's sake... :doh:

CrashCat posted:

If you don't expect them to take all the worst suggestions first by now, you haven't been reading very carefully.

"Knock on the door? Why would I do that when I can use a lockpick as a makeshift screwdriver and completely remove the handle?" :downs:

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf
I don't really see a problem with the pacing, she's spent exactly one update trying to get out of the attic. (So far...)

I'd much rather have shorter updates anyway if that means we get them faster.

Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf

Pakled posted:

I doubt that Rajirra's going to get 100% of the payment unless she stole it from the shopkeeper. The sound of fireballs and breaking furniture and fire runes exploding in the attic would have started fairly quickly after she left the room, so the shopkeeper wouldn't willingly give her the money knowing the job wasn't done.

It's going to turn out she stole literally everything in that shop including the shopkeeper's pants, what else can you expect from a dirty khajiit stereotype. Kata will find her rolling around on a pile of moon sugar when she finally tracks her down.

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Zoe
Jan 19, 2007
Hair Elf

Kazerad posted:

I don't think death has a lot to do with it. Vivec mentions that he's died plenty of times, it's just not a big deal for him. He describes himself as being simultaneously in the "real world" and the "god place", and when he dies he is only in the god place. He speculates that the older gods might just be dead all the time, but no matter how long he tries to stay dead himself, he always comes back to find no time has passed.

I can't decide if CHIM became more or less interesting as lore once I realized stuff like this was pretty explicitly talking about reloading saved games and other mechanics.

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