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BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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First impression, first shot going from Neo to Signature: a 20g dose is a lovely thing. Looks like I should have done the Classic or better from the beginning, as the main downside of the Neo is it's the only one that can't be upgraded to use the Pro 2 (bigger) brew head. Still, it was a good learning tool as I had to run 2 shots a day so I got lots of practice and side by side experimentation!

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BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Espresso tonic was a success

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Thumposaurus posted:

Asspresso grind

Joey, have you ever had a Turkish prison rear end coffee?

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Early in a bag I often pull a 1:2 but pull another 2 out into another cup. I drink half the shot strong then add a small bit at a time from the second pull to see what extra extraction tastes like. It's weaker sure but sometimes it rounds out some too-acidic first runnings so I prefer the longer shots in those cases :)

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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FYI, Gray Ember mug 14 oz $100 at Costco (in stores but looks like online too). Compare to $100 10 oz or $130 14 oz on Amazon. Costco claims 80 minutes per charge vs 60 from Amazon and that is sometimes the case with the Costco exclusive version of items like this.

I don't like the gray and I mostly drink straight shots, but I figured I'd pass along for those interested.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Wild that your body can get so specifically accustomed to a dose in espresso. I just went 30% higher for laffs and it feels like the first time :sludgepal:

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Just got the "only pay shipping" Tchibo coffee and immediately realized this is Too Much Coffee for me to use before it goes stale (more stale?). Is it safe to say cold brew frozen into cubes lasts longer than just freezing the beans? Chest freezer so no worries about defrost cycles.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Nanofoamer is 25% off

Also

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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So I bought a $40 Instant heat + foam pitcher thing that worked fine for 2 months then crapped out. I'm now going to do the Nanofoamer + a pitcher. Most people use a metal pitcher so they can feel when the heat is right, but since I'm using the microwave I am between these two. Are there any better ones I should be looking at? I don't really care about looks, just microwave + dishwasher safe. These spouts look fine enough for newbie latte art right?

https://www.amazon.com/CHOOLD-Ceramic-Creamer-Pitcher-Serving/dp/B078JJPVMV

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SFFM243/ref=crt_ewc_img_oth_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A184VL207F2WL2

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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I would prefer something I can put in the dishwasher, after our first Pyrex set lost all its gradations in the wash I only hand wash it. And it is on Mom's Earl Grey Duty every morning so I'd need her to be done before I wash it, before I could make my cappuccino.

So since I need a second vessel I figured I'd also go for something with a sharper spout for those :sicknasty: pours, in addition to the dishwasher safe benefit.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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I got decent results out of Intelligentsia El Gallo breakfast blend, but it took a lot of iterations on my Flair:

Started 1:2.5, 200°F
2 iterations getting rough grind setting, then...
3. A bit fast, well balanced and a bit tart and funky --> go finer
4. Good speed, still a bit too tart though --> go longer
5. 1:3 was very well balanced but lost some of the flavor --> drop temp
6. 1:3 195°F perfect!

Since it's a different bean your dial-in process will be different, just saying I think you can get decent results out of Intelligentsia if you go a bit longer. I know you don't have direct temp control so sorry that part isn't helpful.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Pentecoastal Elites posted:

I hate throwing out drinkable coffee unless I really hosed it up, but I've got to travel for work on Sunday so I'll spend tomorrow dialing it in as best I can even if that means a few dumped shots -- I do think there's something there now.

I love how big a difference the last few iterations of dialing in gets you, it seems alchemical. That said, milk covers all mistakes, and lengthens the "drinkability" window from mere minutes to days for my palate. I have only thrown out a small handful of shots ever, the rest go in a Mason jar for a milk drink later :)

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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If you find yourself with no other option, here's a ranking of 30 TJ coffees https://www.thrillist.com/drink/nation/best-trader-joes-coffee

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Whomst among us haven't done weird dehydration experiments with espresso from the "only pay shipping" coffee beans, as an attempt to make coffee roasted nutz?









Very sharp. Will test it out tomorrow!

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Hello, I am posting from the grave because I died of suffocation down these rabbit holes

BrianBoitano posted:

Whomst among us haven't done weird dehydration experiments with espresso from the "only pay shipping" coffee beans, as an attempt to make coffee roasted nutz?









Very sharp. Will test it out tomorrow!

By the way, I was being literal when I mentioned these were sharp - like razor blades. And for those of you who thought this looked like drugs:

Dead Nerve posted:

Are we freebasing coffee now?

Pilfered Pallbearers posted:

You need to smoke that :eng101:

My cat agreed with you and tried to get high:


Thankfully she only spread it over half of our carpet and bedsheets.

I'm happy to share that after 5 iterations (earliest attempt not shown) I got the glassy look I was going for with enough coffee flavor:

Clockwise from top left:
  • 26g Liquid espresso + 40g sugar brought to 220°F, 125g nuts added, cooked stirring until hard crack stage except WHOOPS seed crystals took over before that so it got lumpy and not great. Very little coffee flavor.
  • 36g liquid espresso + 40g sugar brought to 220°F, 125g nuts added, cooked no stirring and using pre-toasted almonds. Still lumpy, slightly higher coffee flavor. Pre-toasted nuts were great but didn't have enough for further iterations
  • Going rogue. 42g liquid espresso + 40g sugar tossed with 125g nuts and roasted in an oven, tossing every 10 minutes for 50 minutes total. Nuts tasted the best and the excess sugar melted away, which made a better balance, but still too lumpy.
  • 42g liquid espresso + 40g sugar + :dance: DIY espresso crystal brought to 220°F, 125g nuts added, cooked stirring to 250°F. Transferred to baking sheet before any seed crystals formed, while syrup was still clear. Roasted at 330°F for 10 minutes. Really nailed it, ready to ship to family. The texture is spot on, the coffee is strong. The color makes it look burnt but that's mostly the coffee, though 3 minutes would be better next time. An IR thermometer shows the nuts did indeed hit 330°F which is past the target of 300-310°F.



All in all, dehydrating the espresso was interesting but since the hard crack stage of sugar is higher than boiling then all aromatics are driven off / destroyed anyhow. That, and I didn't powderize enough since I learned the ratio as I went. Still neat to say I did it and my cat got into my stash.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Now that I've got coffee nuts out of my system, any favorite baking recipes that use espresso?

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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I started on the Neo but if you like milk drinks get one that can use the larger Pro 2 basket. After upgrading I'm so glad I did!

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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kemikalkadet posted:

Plunging just stops the extraction so you could plunge and let it sit there without over-extracting. If you're pouring it straight away it doesn't make any difference. Saying that, I've tried pouring without plunging and it's always resulted in way more sludge in my cup, might just be a crappy cafetiere though... I don't use it often.

Hoffmann's technique is steep 4 minutes, stir, skim floaty bits, and let settle for 5 minutes before pouring. That makes all the sludgy bits settle to the bottom for me, I only really get them when I push to get the last few drops. Did you do a similar process when you did yours?

His thesis is that crap can freely flow through the press filter but if you disturb, skim and let settle that gravity does the filtering for you.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Just got a Nanofoamer to replace the lovely Instant b brand "auto heat and foam" pitcher that died, and it's night and day. Got that latex paint texture and was able to do the whole "build a canvas" with a clear shape on top. Not nearly an identifiable shape but now the tool works well enough for me to hit the ground and learn!

Texture tastes good which is the most important thing, since I don't use Instagram anyhow.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Bobstar posted:

Hah, last night I was second-guessing having spent so much on an espresso grinder, and then this morning I tried to make an espresso with a new bean I got for Christmas. Options on my Encore were glug-glug 60s shot, or whooosh 8 seconds. Specialita can't get here fast enough!

In the meantime you can reduce your coffee dose off the 60s shot setting to get closer to balance 👍

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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sugar free jazz posted:

wtf is happening im so confused

I'm spitballing here but could be the fresh beans have a lot of CO2 and you could use a bloom step.

https://www.taylorlane.com/blogs/read/moccamaster-manual posted:

Step 5: Bloom Your Coffee

This is an optional step in the brew process, but adding a few extra seconds to your brew time will result in an even better tasting cup of coffee.

The Moccamaster does not have a prewet feature, but if you care enough to bloom your coffee, you can still do so.

To bloom coffee in the Moccamaster, let the water heat up and watch for the moment when water starts to pour out and saturate the coffee. Once there’s enough water to soak all your coffee grounds, shut off the brewer for about 20 seconds and stir the grounds. This step is optional, but allowing for that extra saturation time gives your coffee a chance to degas.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Big grain of salt alert: I'm still less than a year into this hobby. I've only ever used Flair, but a neighbor who is a bean roaster can vouch for the quality of my shots.

It's the classic "cheaper, bigger PITA brew, less PITA cleaning / maintenance" that also applies to manual grinders.

I started with a Neo which was nice for small doses but I recently upgraded to one that can take the Pro 2 portafilter so I have the option of doubles. That's where I'd start if I were new to espresso and didn't mind a 10-15 minute process. I'm down to 15 minutes to pull two 13g doses including cleanup.

There's a lot to learn and get right, but if you do then you'll pull shots that rival $1,000+ automatics. This is because you can control temperature and pressure, and you can adjust shots if they don't feel right. This also means you can properly extract light roasted e.g. Ethiopians which feels like stealing Ambrosia from Olympus.

I've heard mixed things about the Flair 58. The larger puck diameter means you can use the thousands of accessories out there, but one of the benefits of other Flairs is exactly the narrow puck size, which is less prone to channeling. The 58 also has some electric preheating, which takes a while but simplifies workflow especially for back to back shots.

I'm happy I never have to worry about descaling or pumps / thermostats / whatever breaking, but I know I can't efficiently serve more than 4 guests efficiently. Other thing to note is for milk drinks you'll need a separate device. I like my results from the Nanofoamer but I will probably end up with a Bellman or similar. Also Flairs can't fit the really high end coffee scales underneath without jury rigging something. Doesn't affect me since I just use a $15 small scale with a timer.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Google Butt posted:

How many shots out of 10 do you guys nail with these levers?

Yeah after the first month of learning, I only really miss the mark when I have a new bean. Within 2 shots of a new bean I'm really enjoying my shots, and milk can always cover any mistakes in that dialing in process.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Megabound posted:

Oh yeah, I enjoy them in doses, but it's hard to get past a extremely strong tartness in some of them, indicative of underextraction, unless I'm very careful in my prep and heat my group hotter than usual. Just to clarify my 1:2 is a physical limitation of the LaPavoni, I have a 14g basket and can usually on get a max of 30 - 32g out so I always just aim for 28.

This was me when I started with the Neo. I just did back to back 12g in / 30g out batches with a slight tweak each time to experiment, like grind size, temperature, or ratio. Let me do longer ratios while still getting enough overall coffee.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Favorite 6 oz and 8 oz latte mugs? Don't care if they have a handle or not, just looking for semispherical so it's easy to do art.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Gunder posted:

I like the 6.5oz Fellow Monty milk art cups. I have the white/copper ones.

That was exactly what I was looking for, thank you! Couldn't find a site that had both 3.5oz and 6.5oz in stock at the same time, so went with 3.5oz and "notify me" on the 6.5oz :)

Buying a big boy tamper to replace using the dosing cup too :homebrew:

BrianBoitano fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Jan 28, 2022

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Seems very expensive, what would be the benefit over a Bellman? Looks nice and "does it all" but like Bionicle said earlier the unknown provenance.

Somebody send Hoffmann a link!

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Woke up with a strange desire to eat coarse ground beans with milk a la grape nuts

Going back to bed, hope I wake up with more sense

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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BrianBoitano posted:

That was exactly what I was looking for, thank you! Couldn't find a site that had both 3.5oz and 6.5oz in stock at the same time, so went with 3.5oz and "notify me" on the 6.5oz :)

Buying a big boy tamper to replace using the dosing cup too :homebrew:

Got this today and fuckin nailed it



In all seriousness, the cups are gorgeous except one blemish in one cup - a grey speck that stands out but not enough to return it and deal with the inherent waste there.

One great success - I was able to make a small amount of good foam with my nanofoamer, despite what my horrid pour technique might suggest. This is really tough since usually small amounts make a whirlpool that sucks air, but a combo of a narrow juice glass with a spoon to reduce the surface swirl got it. Still plenty of agitation under the surface to shrink bubbles but no new air introduced after stretching :)

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Bought some "naturally low caffeine" beans from my neighbor roaster. Not sure how low they are but it gives me excuses to make silly things in the afternoon with no guilt.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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I grew up in Houston, so I invented a Caramel Delatte :colbert:

used chai caramel from this recipe and I gotta say it's working for me

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Do the bags puff up a bit since they off-gas CO2 so soon after roasting? Still good to vacuum seal because no oxygen though.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Not related to needle size, but you can 3d print a nice holder. Many libraries and universities let you print for pennies, or I think there are sites that will print and ship.

I did DIY with a cork before this was available. I had to add hot glue to stop them from slipping around.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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I'm a pretty good person to answer your questions except I've never used any other manufacturer of machine so no true comparison here.

Bruxism posted:

One of the things that had made me hesitate taking the plunge up to this point is the need to preheat the brew head, but in the demo video they just placed the head on top of their electric kettle while it heated up. Is that sufficient for heating the head? I always envisioned having to submerge it in boiling water or something. The cleanup also looked much easier than I expected.

For the first 2 months I thought "surely you need to submerge to get high enough temperatures for light roast" but followed a rec to try the steam and it works very well. I do re-steam it for 5 seconds just before using but otherwise it took a ton of prep out. Yes, cleanup is as easy as it looks!

Bruxism posted:

For those of you that own flairs do you find it performing as well today as when you bought it? Do you continue to use it or has it become a disregarded tool because of the amount of labor it takes to pull a shot? Do you feel like you were able to master the process pretty quickly?
Yes, still running as well today but tbf it's only been 5 months since upgrading from Neo to Pro 2. Still use it daily over pour-over or French Press except one extremely busy week I did cold brew, so labor isn't a deterrent. Labor is 6-8 minutes per shot including cleanup and milk frothing using a Nanofoamer. Just made 3 shots back to back 4 days in a row while family was visiting and they didn't seem to mind that person A got their drink 6 minutes before person B who got it 7 minutes before person C. I was person C :v:

Bruxism posted:

Is there anything essential to pick up for it that isn't included in the Pro 2 kit? Appreciate your insights!

Get a proper tamper (I like this etsy person) since the dosing cup is a bit too narrow and WDT. You already have a grinder and scale yeah?

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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I got mine secondhand and didn't get the stainless tamper, that should be fine then. Mine just had the plastic dose cup as tamper. Mine also didn't have the temp strip but if you cook at all then a thermapen is a luxury you should pursue if budget allows - helped me dial in my technique the first dozen times I used the steam method. I'd definitely trust it over a color change strip.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Double posting - I have an opportunity to invest in a really good coffee company - they import + roast, and now they're opening a cafe in a good location. Does anyone have direct experience in cafe finances? I'm able to find some "industry standard" comparisons for some parts of the projected income statement + visits / day + $/visitor but not others.

I'll get an attorney to look at the actual paperwork, and I'm sure the numbers are a bit optimistic but I'd like a sniff test from someone on da inside. X-posting in the industry workers thread.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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*son moves step stool over to coffee cart*
Wife: is there anything dangerous on there?
:thunk: don't think so
*son immediately finds the WDT*

They always keep you on your toes!

Bruxism posted:

Thanks again. I went ahead and ordered the Pro 2. I'll have a few days next week to mess around with it and get it dialed in. Thermapen is on our kitchen wish list as well. Next gift giving excuse, I'm sure it will turn up.

To help you get started without the thermapen: I just dialed in another light roast, and checked temp more closely this time. You really have to get the basket steamed a couple times. My kettle has a keep warm setting so it will come up to boil, wait a minute, boil / steam some more, repeat. By the time I've ground and done puck prep it's steamed 3 times, I force it once more and make sure the water is immediately off the boil and I hit 200°F.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Get a bripe like an adult

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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You're welcome! I've never thrown out a shot entirely - since you can adjust pressure or output on the fly you can minimize flaws, and those that remain usually fade in an americano or flat white 👍

I'm very happy to be at a point where the bean quality seems to matter most.

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BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

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Neat! Linking the SAMart thread here, mostly for my own reference when I get off work so I can order: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3594506&perpage=40&noseen=1

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