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I guess at the end of the day, you'd just need to know the basic premise behind how the Grail War works. You'd be missing a whole lot of continuity nods, though.
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Popo posted:Generic FAQ-type question: Will I need to know much or anything about F/SN to watch this? If you want to read F/SN it spoils quite a lot, but otherwise, not particularly. Urobuchi worked on Zero as a collaboration between Nitro+ and TM. Believe he also wrote some Black Lagoon novels.
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I believe they came up with some kind of Nitro+ vs. Type Moon Calender a couple of years back, actually.
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Zandracon posted:But there wasn't anything like that in the anime at all He might have meant he played the game, but if that's the case he went through hours and hours of good stuff before that showed up at all. It really is a post that makes no sense.
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Popo posted:Generic FAQ-type question: Will I need to know much or anything about F/SN to watch this? F/Z spoils a bunch of details for the last route of F/SN in the first three chapters. You are expected to have read all of F/SN before reading F/Z (the anime is definitely not enough), but it I wouldn't say it's required to enjoy the story. Pureauthor posted:jonjonaug, I'm pretty sure it's Tokiomi Tohsaka, not Tokomi. Whoops. Fixed.
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Sep 24, 2011 13:48
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jonjonaug posted:F/Z spoils a bunch of details for the last route of F/SN in the first three chapters. You are expected to have read all of F/SN before reading F/Z (the anime is definitely not enough), but it I wouldn't say it's required to enjoy the story.
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Sep 24, 2011 14:00
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Okay, thanks for all the answers. Looks like I'm playing catch up!
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jonjonaug posted:Team Archer So this guy is a wife and a father eh? How odd.  Also is there going to be any other way of watching this than Niconico? The quality of their Blood-C streaming was rather shite.
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Revdomezehis posted:So this guy is a wife and a father eh? How odd. gently caress. Fixed that too.
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Sep 24, 2011 14:17
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Wolpertinger posted:I'm kind of dubious about this - I watched a little bit of fate/stay night, but it quickly became rather creepy, with contrived excuses for random sex/near rape to 'recharge their mana' - I ended up not watching the whole thing as the random creepy fanservice kept on getting more and more common. As for the porn yeah there's nothing really to say about that. Later versions of the visual novel had it removed but sex sells. Later on in the book it's used in a really hosed up way that fits in a lot better but that first excuse was pretty cringe-inducing yes. The anime series was just really bad. v  v
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The CM for Team Archer is up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdiFGaWUaSY They are both looking appropriately stylish
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Hmm... looks interesting but I really disliked the first anime adaption. I guess I liked the character design better in KnK too. But it's cool UFO table is doing this one so I'll stay along for the show.
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Sep 24, 2011 16:45
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At this point, Type-Moon really has a bad reputation with anime adaptations, huh.
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Pureauthor posted:At this point, Type-Moon really has a bad reputation with anime adaptations, huh.
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Sep 24, 2011 17:21
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Factor_VIII posted:Not necessarily. There haven't been that many adaptations that have been bad in my opinion. KnK is generally seen as being very good. Personally I thought the original F/SN anime was OK but nothing special and enjoyed the UBW movie. The Tsukihime anime is widely seen as being a bad adaptation and I must say I found it to be slow, disjointed and confusing. Let's not mince words - the Tsukihime anime is a complete and utter disaster as far as adaptations are concerned. F/SN's anime was pretty medicore, like you said. UBW was a disjointed mess. A pretty mess, to be sure, but still a mess. (Which is what happens when you squeeze a ten-hour storyline into less than two hours.) KnK is literally the only Type-Moon adaptation thus far that could be considered as being good, from start to finish. Luckily, with Carnival Phantasm (technically an adaptation of Take Moon) and now F/Zero on the way, this looks to be changing soon. Pureauthor fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Sep 24, 2011 |
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Sep 24, 2011 17:37
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Pureauthor posted:UBW was a disjointed mess. A pretty mess, to be sure, but still a mess. (Which is what happens when you squeeze a ten-hour storyline into less than two hours.) By the way, there is a possibility that a Heaven's Feel anime will be made.
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Factor_VIII posted:I watched the movie after having read the VN so I already knew the plot and background of the story. I guess that someone who isn't already familiar with the story might get confused. Well, I judge adaptations based on how well they can stand on their own without supplementary materials, and UBW simply doesn't meet that criteria. Also, in regards to the possibility of a HF anime - gently caress's sake, Type-Moon. Throw us Tsukihime diehards a bone here!
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Pureauthor posted:Also, in regards to the possibility of a HF anime - gently caress's sake, Type-Moon. Throw us Tsukihime diehards a bone here!
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Marin Karin posted:I have never read the novel, but I love F/SN so it's embarrassing how excited I am for this. Yes, Zero Berserker is completely awesome. But no, if you only watched the anime, you really have no idea how awesome FSN Berserker is. If you love FSN, you will at least read Seorin's lp of it. Also if it's made I don't even want to know how horribly DEEN butchers HF, it's my favorite route.
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Factor_VIII posted:You have the Tsukihime remake to wait for, right? (Snicker.)
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Hikarusa posted:Yes, Zero Berserker is completely awesome. But no, if you only watched the anime, you really have no idea how awesome FSN Berserker is. If you love FSN, you will at least read Seorin's lp of it. Oh, no, I've read the VN. I was fortunate enough to know ahead of time to read Type-Moon's stuff instead of watching it. Although I've been meaning to watch a few clips to see how Deen handled (ruined?) some of my favorite scenes. The worst part about an HF adaption is that we won't get to see Sparks Liner High animated. 
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Marin Karin posted:Oh, no, I've read the VN. I was fortunate enough to know ahead of time to read Type-Moon's stuff instead of watching it. Although I've been meaning to watch a few clips to see how Deen handled (ruined?) some of my favorite scenes. Hell, knowing DEEN, they won't even show the tofu scene or the final punchout.
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Honestly, the worst thing about a possible HF adaptation is that it'll likely be censored to hell and back unless ufotable does it. DEEN has a habit of removing any mention of sex in their versions (hello, mana dragon biting Shirou's arm off!) which isn't going to mesh nicely with a route where the villain's main weapon is an army of carnivorous, orifice-invading dicks that eat you alive from the inside and where the villain's son rapes his sister repeatedly just for shits and giggles. I don't think I can possibly emphasize how hosed up HF is, especially compared to Fate and UBW. The closest they came to horror was light-grade poo poo like Kotomine's basement full of charred corpses from Fate and the mutated Grail from UBW, but HF goes straight into David Cronenberg poo poo pretty fast, which would be jarring as hell if the route weren't really well-written. I'm not saying all of this should be shown graphically, but scrubbing away any mention of it like DEEN seems to be wont to do (and the Realta Nua version did) is gonna make the route really incomprehensible really quick. Fortunately, I'm pretty sure Type-MOON is intelligent enough not to use DEEN for this, especially if Fate/zero does as well as it should.
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WickedIcon posted:Honestly, the worst thing about a possible HF adaptation is that it'll likely be censored to hell and back unless ufotable does it. DEEN has a habit of removing any mention of sex in their versions (hello, mana dragon biting Shirou's arm off!) which isn't going to mesh nicely with a route where the villain's main weapon is an army of carnivorous, orifice-invading dicks that eat you alive from the inside and where the villain's son rapes his sister repeatedly just for shits and giggles.
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Rodyle posted:Or Mind of Steel. Fate/Zero is sort of like that, considering that Shirou makes the same mistake Kiritsugu makes in that ending.  
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WickedIcon posted:Honestly, the worst thing about a possible HF adaptation is that it'll likely be censored to hell and back unless ufotable does it. jonjonaug posted:Fate/Zero is sort of like that, considering that Shirou makes the same mistake Kiritsugu makes in that ending.
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Anyone know who's planning on subbing/streaming this?
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Being a huge type-moon geek, am incredibly pumped for this. Fate/Zero basically takes all of Fate/Stay Night's bullshit school drama, shoehorned sex scenes, and  main character and gets rid of them while turning the awesome up 100%.You can probably get into this with just having seen the awful DEEN anime, but you will be spoiled on some stuff from the later routes. I do recommend the VN, which is quite good outside of the occasional awful sex scene you have to fast forward through. Seorin did an awesome LP of it some time ago as well.
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Conduit for Sale! posted:Anyone know who's planning on subbing/streaming this? English Niconico will be streaming it worldwide. And yes, read that F/SN LP 
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Bakanogami posted:Being a huge type-moon geek, am incredibly pumped for this. Fate/Zero basically takes all of Fate/Stay Night's bullshit school drama, shoehorned sex scenes, and FSN wouldn't work as well without those (er, barring the shoehorned sex obviously) though, the whole point is that it's not a proper grail war. Also I personally think it really is better for people to just play the game themselves (with the voice patch and latest RN patch, the latter of which Seorin didn't have) than to just read the LP.
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quote:And by choosing to kill Sakura Shirou has betrayed his ideal, since his aim is save everyone and Sakura is an innocent as she hasn't consciously killed anyone. Wrong. Kotomine even confirms in the route that the shadow is still actually Sakura and she's making the conscious decision to kill people.
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Speaking of, I keep forgetting that some company said they were actually going to localize Fate/Extra. Gonna be a good year. And does anybody know if Fate/Strange Fake was ever translated anywhere? Sounds like it's just supposed to be a prologue and closer to a fanfic than canon, but it's written by the guy who wrote Baccano/Durarara and the descriptions of it sound totally awesome.
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Bakanogami posted:Speaking of, I keep forgetting that some company said they were actually going to localize Fate/Extra. Gonna be a good year.  Jesus christ the Servants in this.The Black Death as Rider? Alexandre Dumas Caster? A Jack the Ripper-Berserker? And that weird Command spell gimmick replacing Saber.
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Sir Gladu posted:
Well Narita was writing it primarily as a joke. On the other hand, Fate Apocrypha would have played even more insane servants completely straight, so it's a good thing it's dead.
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Rodyle posted:Also I personally think it really is better for people to just play the game themselves (with the voice patch and latest RN patch, the latter of which Seorin didn't have) than to just read the LP. And how would one go about doing this as opposed to reading the LP? (IE, is the game sold somewhere where it is easy to buy/download and run) I'd like to play the game myself, but if I need to import a used copy from Japan and perform arcane rituals to get my computer to run it, then gently caress that.
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Revdomezehis posted:And how would one go about doing this as opposed to reading the LP? (IE, is the game sold somewhere where it is easy to buy/download and run) I'd like to play the game myself, but if I need to import a used copy from Japan and perform arcane rituals to get my computer to run it, then gently caress that. You should be able to find torrents of the game and the voice files relatively easily. Once you've done that, get 1. http://mirrormoon.org/projects/fate_stay_night The translation patch 2. http://rnpatch.blogspot.com/ The Realta Nua patch. Just follow the patch instructions and mount the correct CD files when needed, it's a pretty easy install job.
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Revdomezehis posted:And how would one go about doing this as opposed to reading the LP? (IE, is the game sold somewhere where it is easy to buy/download and run) I'd like to play the game myself, but if I need to import a used copy from Japan and perform arcane rituals to get my computer to run it, then gently caress that. Don't know where you could find the game these days (IIRC legit copies have grown both rare and expensive), but if you have a copy you should just be able to run the English patch installer from Mirror Moon and it should install with no issues. You may have to change your system locale to Japanese, I forget if they fixed it so you could skip that or not. I forget where the latest RN content patch is at these days, though, I haven't checked on these things for a year or two. It's worth tracking down though. I think they might also require a copy of the RN PS2 disc to install, too, I forget.
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Welp, definitely going to be watching this. Regardless of the which Holy Grail War we are talking about, Rider is always the coolest servant. 
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Rodyle posted:Well Narita was writing it primarily as a joke. I love how absurdly broken some of the servants in Apocrypha are. Also gotta love how the Servant Urobuchi designed "chose the path of suffering."
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