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DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

I certainly liked OWB the most at the time and it's been long enough since I last played that I still get a lot out of the jokes on my current playthrough. But at this point I like Dead Money the most. Characters are fun, the Madre is a fantastic setting, and I like the challenge.

I do like the way Honest Hearts works with religion for its characters, seems like something that gets overlooked in the series far too much.

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DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

I always got the impression that the Mojave was fairly thinly-peopled before the NCR showed up. Aside from a few small communities like Novac and Goodsprings it seems like most folks lived in Vegas. The tribals got reformed or killed by House and the regular folk pushed out into Freeside, North Vegas, or Westside. Otherwise it was just empty desert.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

I thought Deathclaws were FEV'd chameleons

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

The NCR has expanded since Fallout 2, pretty sure they control places like Reno and Vault City now, so I could believe there being more than a million people at this point. On the other hand that holodisk was basically NCR propaganda so it might not have been accurate.

They are over running out of food though, if Doctor Hildern is to be believed. Also a few different characters mention that they came from farming towns-turned brahmin ranches but I don't know if that's a net gain or loss in food. More importantly, Hanlon says the lakes and resevoirs in California have dried or been used up so without Lake Mead pretty sure the NCR's looking at mass starvation. The whole feeling I get from the NCR is that right now things are okay, maybe even good, but without New Vegas it'll get pretty bad pretty fast.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

I'm always kinda nervous about huge mods like Frontier after seeing how New California ended up but I dunno, it seems pretty cool so far.

But the devs are like internet Nazis apparently? Totally news to me lmao

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

The Legion doesn't have much of a culture outside of it's warrior and slave castes even with Caesar around. He plans to turn the Legion from a roving army into a settled empire but unlike actual Rome the civilian population of his new realm aren't members of the same culture. Julius and Octavius were Romans who conquered Rome and lorded over other Romans. Caesar can crucify all the farmers and ranchers he wants, I don't think the result will be quite what he expects.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

Funky Valentine posted:

Does the Legion even have a proper capital or is it just "wherever Caesar puts his tent up"?
I think Flagstaff was mentioned as the Legion capital in the strategy guide or a Sawyer post or something.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

Pretty sure a bunch of NCR guys got cut from Kimball's speech too. I swear there used to be a big crowd but now there's only like four including the Legion guy

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Jan 24, 2019

narratively they work best in release order

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Jan 24, 2019


Oh man I was really enjoying it so far too, that's loving rough. Though to be fair I forgot who Dragbody was so I'm not surprised.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

they could be another victim of the NPC purge to make the DLCs work

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

my understanding was that Vault-Tec started as a fairly benevolent company wanting to build shelters in the aftermath of the nuclear war in the Middle East and then got absorbed by the Enclave over time.

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Jan 24, 2019

Yeah like on the one hand Richard Spencer isn't exactly a name on the level of, like, Heinrich Himmler. On the other I'm seeing enough gross stuff come out of Frontier so far to certainly make me worried. I'm sure we'll really see what's what once people start getting in to the Legion stuff, although the big-breasted young girls of the Crusader faction have already killed the excitement I had for the mod.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

yeah I think I'll skip the Frontier after all lmao

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

Sawyer mentioned once that the service rifles the Gun Runners give to the Army are actually just refurbished pre-war models rather than something they're mass producing in the Boneyard, so I don't actually know how much production capability they actually have

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

Yeah I just assumed the Van Graffs had gotten hold of the laser guns that the Enclave had been smuggling in to New Reno

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

truly the greatest narrative flaw in New Vegas is that you can't get Yesman to strap Caesar, Kimball, and House into Clockwork Orange chairs and force them to watch hundreds of hours of anarchist video essays

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

yeah I definitely just choose a gun that looks cool and keep that going rather than chasing numbers. Same reason I'll waste perk points on DT upgrades just so I can keep wearing Vault suits without instantly dying.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

nothing about Caesar leads to me believe he'd react to a second defeat by saying 'poor show, old boy. guess I should start setting up some civil bureaucracy. I'll put the Wasteland DMV in Two-Sun and the Ministry of Fisheries in Denver.'

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

NikkolasKing posted:

Well there will be mass starvation in the NCR in less than a decade.

Seems like a practical reason to not support them if you don't buy into any moral reason not to.

I feel like Lake Mead is the most important resource the NCR can get out of the Mojave. Yeah the power from the Dam is good and the money from the Corpse King's Casino Fiefdom will pay for a lot of anarchist video essayist Patreon donations but, if the famine thing is to be believed, without Lake Mead the NCR is totally hosed.

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Jan 24, 2019

That's a running theme with pre-war horror projects. Vault-Tec started as a completely genuine attempt to build shelters for people after the nuclear war in the Middle East started a panic.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

I always figured having power armour in the wasteland made you equivalent to a Space Marine from warhammer. A basically unstoppable juggernaut that can only be taken down with the biggest killpower around.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

Sheen Sheen posted:

Am I wrong in remembering that doing Lily’s quest doesn’t even require you to leave the area she’s in? I don’t think I ever really recruited her but was still able to have her go do the science stuff with the doctor and got the “she stayed on her medication” ending slide

It’s been a while since I played the game, and even longer since I had a meaningful interaction with Lily, so I’m probably remembering wrong

Nah her personal quest is different from the stealth boy one. She's actually the biggest pain in the rear end to get to trigger, bugged to poo poo too.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

oh jay posted:

I mean, you can trigger that companion quest without leaving town too. Rest a little, shoot her until she berserks, rest a little more.

The only reason it's so hard to trigger is that even at 1 charisma, Lily is too drat beefy to ever get hurt enough to berserk. Well, there's Deathclaws, which will skip straight past berserk, and instead make her dead.

Oh I thought she needed some voice triggers too, that's not too bad then I guess.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

That former Legion slave turned male prostitute in Westside says homosexuality means death sentence, doesn't he? He's the only Legion affiliated character that mentions it, it's usually NCR characters - and Veronica - who bring it up otherwise

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

Yeah I just assumed the implication was that he was a hypocrite, never thought too hard on it though

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

it was a Frontier joke lol

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

Definitely recommend doing Honest Hearts at a lower level. The White Legs scale equipment with levels and if you go in near the endgame they'll be owning you with anti-material rifles and 12mm SMGs left and right.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

Fallout 4 is fun for running around shooting laser guns at kooky monsters. Like any Bethesda game (except 76 for whatever reason, never clicked with that) for me it works very well as something I can pick up for an hour or two when I have a free night but it's not something I'd sit down and absorb like New Vegas or Disco Elysium. If you can get it cheap and like bad Boston accents I'd certainly recommend Fallout 4.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

Outer Worlds felt very stretched and thin. I certainly found plenty to like but not enough to play more than once. Did walk away hopeful for what a sequel could do.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

Acebuckeye13 posted:

It's a game that really fails to be more than the sum of its parts. It's got good moments, but fails to be truly compelling and the gameplay is pretty mediocre. An alright game, but not a particularly memorable one.

Kind of half-assed its message too. I don't mind so much giving both sides of the question positive and negatives but it felt like far too much of a moderate take to have much impact.

Cross-Section posted:

I found I liked Outer Worlds a lot more on the second playthrough, though it definitely helped that both DLC are actually pretty darn good story-wise

One of them's a neo-noir story right? I might play that if they commit hard to the bit.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

You could do a lot of cool stuff in a post-Legion Arizona. Set it right as the Legion falls apart and try to navigate your way through towns struggling to reclaim their independence and warring Legionary factions with their own interpretation of Caesarism.

I'd probably be more interested in an all-new setting like the Pacific Northwest or the Great Lakes area but at the same time Fallout shines brightest when it's able to reflect real world ideological struggles and motivations and the southwest is the most developed part of the setting so that'd make sense to build on even further.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

Marcus is a living Bitcoin miner

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

Let Kimball die and end the Hanlon quest in the way that he gets elected as a senator, then you can headcanon that the least-awful member of the Mojave Campaign eventually becomes president. It's definitely more likely that Oliver would ride the victory wave to the big chair but at least there's a chance there.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

The NCR sucks not just because it's emulating a system that literally destroyed the world but because they're also repeating all the same mistakes on the way there. The Mojave Campaign is a little bit Afghanistan, a little bit Vietnam, all awful, and the NCR's actions leading up to it are an astoundingly unsubtle analogy for America during the... uh, Indian Wars (is there a better name for this??? Maybe it's what aboriginal historians prefer as well but I'm not sure) and the nightmare of genocide and expansion that led America west. Independent is the best, but as mentioned that entirely depends on your character not deciding to crown herself the God-Empress of the Casino Empire. There's a bit more wiggle room for sure but it's always come off to me as the roleplay ending first and foremost.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

Starting to think that the faction whose plotline revolves around them being completely incapable of changing aren't going to change

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

You forgot about Cassandra 'Kill em all' Moore

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

Yeah but they make the caravans run on time so they're probably the good guys

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

So harsh you guys. Just debate him in the marketplace of ideas until he is forced to concede that he's gone a little too far and agrees to stand down.

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DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

The goofy physics are great considering the cowboy theme. The first Red Dead Redemption had NPCs react just like extras in a John Wayne movie when they got shot which, for me, was perfect.

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