M-x emacs-thread

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eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

bollig posted:

Long story short, I want to keep the VIM keybindings (at least for text editing/coding) but want to do the emacs poo poo.

Why do you want to force emacs into vi keybindings? You'll get a subpar experience of both.

Just use emacs as Steele and Moon decreed, and all shall be good.

# ? May 10, 2015 01:20

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# ? May 12, 2024 20:21

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

eschaton posted:

Why do you want to force emacs into vi keybindings? You'll get a subpar experience of both.

Just use emacs as Steele and Moon decreed, and all shall be good.

No just use spacemacs because it does a really good job of making emacs work with vim keybindings.

# ? May 10, 2015 01:38

Flat Daddy: Dec 3, 2014; by Nyc_Tattoo

eschaton posted:

Why do you want to force emacs into vi keybindings? You'll get a subpar experience of both.

Just use emacs as Steele and Moon decreed, and all shall be good.

How will it be a subpar experience?

# ? May 11, 2015 04:24

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Let's say you start using a new mode because you're learning a new language or something. Among other things it'll have its set of key bindings to learn. They'll probably build on existing emacs bindings.

In cases where they're literally building on emacs bindings, they'll probably be adapted automatically to your vi-compatible bindings.

In cases where they're only doing so figuratively though, you'll have this mismatch between how you're used to doing things and how the new thing expects you to work.

If you stay in the emacs world, this won't happen.

# ? May 11, 2015 04:35

aerique: Jul 16, 2008

eschaton posted:

Let's say you start using a new mode because you're learning a new language or something. Among other things it'll have its set of key bindings to learn. They'll probably build on existing emacs bindings.

I've rarely found this to be an issue.

The bindings that come with modes are almost universally crap just like the default Emacs bindings are and you'll never use all the bindings that come with a mode anyway.

Just "C-h m" and bind the ones you need to something useful.

# ? May 11, 2015 06:27

Deus Rex: Mar 5, 2005

I know both emacs and vim pretty well, and it's super annoying when I have evil-mode on and something like a compilation mode buffer pops up, and hitting "q" to dismiss it via quit-window ends up recording a keyboard macro instead. I know I could configure evil-mode to do things the way I like, but :effort:

.

It's frustrating because vim is so much better at actually editing text, but emacs is better in every other way as a programming tool. Oh well.

# ? May 11, 2015 06:32

midnightclimax: Dec 3, 2011; by XyloJW

I've copied my .emacs.d to a new machine, but the startup is considerably slower. Is it necessary to start with a fresh .emacs.d anyway? Maybe that's a rookie mistake.

# ? May 11, 2015 09:55

pgroce: Oct 24, 2002

midnightclimax posted:

I've copied my .emacs.d to a new machine, but the startup is considerably slower. Is it necessary to start with a fresh .emacs.d anyway? Maybe that's a rookie mistake.

The only issues you might run into that I know of would be the usual user/permissions issues you get with all files, plus potential brokenness from trying to run bytecode compiled on another machine (which shouldn't really be an issue) or Emacs version (this might).

That said, most of the time you'll only need the stuff out of .emacs.d that you've put in there -- usually just the config files. If you use a few packages from elpa or whatever, just install them manually in the new place. If you use a lot, maybe look into calling package-install in your config on the packages you need before you configure them. (One nifty way to do this is via use-package, but it might also be overkill.)

# ? May 11, 2015 13:40

Dessert Rose: May 17, 2004; awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

Deus Rex posted:

I know both emacs and vim pretty well, and it's super annoying when I have evil-mode on and something like a compilation mode buffer pops up, and hitting "q" to dismiss it via quit-window ends up recording a keyboard macro instead. I know I could configure evil-mode to do things the way I like, but .

It's frustrating because vim is so much better at actually editing text, but emacs is better in every other way as a programming tool. Oh well.

You can just set evil to put you in a different evil mode (like emacs-mode) in buffers with the modes like you describe.

It takes about twenty seconds to add a new mode to the list once you've got the thing written.

If you're :effort:

ing about having to tweak your init.el a little to make emacs behave like you want, then emacs isn't for you.

_{I just got used to typing "iq" instead...}

midnightclimax posted:

I've copied my .emacs.d to a new machine, but the startup is considerably slower. Is it necessary to start with a fresh .emacs.d anyway? Maybe that's a rookie mistake.

I check out my git repo with a metric ton of self-written elisp code on every machine I install emacs on. I'm certainly not going to redo all the work I did customizing it the first time.

Try M-x byte-compile-directory on your .emacs.d.

Dessert Rose fucked around with this message at 19:29 on May 11, 2015

# ? May 11, 2015 19:26

jony neuemonic: Nov 13, 2009

Deus Rex posted:

I know both emacs and vim pretty well, and it's super annoying when I have evil-mode on and something like a compilation mode buffer pops up, and hitting "q" to dismiss it via quit-window ends up recording a keyboard macro instead. I know I could configure evil-mode to do things the way I like, but .

It's frustrating because vim is so much better at actually editing text, but emacs is better in every other way as a programming tool. Oh well.

I threw this in my config and it's solved most of those problems:

code:

(dolist (mode-map '((comint-mode . emacs)
		    (eshell-mode . emacs)
		    (fundamental-mode . emacs)
		    (git-commit-mode . insert)
		    (git-rebase-mode . emacs)
		    (help-mode . emacs)
		    (term-mode . emacs)))
  (evil-set-initial-state `,(car mode-map) `,(cdr mode-map)))

Not mine originally, but I can't remember the source to link it.

# ? May 12, 2015 03:23

Flat Daddy: Dec 3, 2014; by Nyc_Tattoo

eschaton posted:

Let's say you start using a new mode because you're learning a new language or something. Among other things it'll have its set of key bindings to learn. They'll probably build on existing emacs bindings.

In cases where they're literally building on emacs bindings, they'll probably be adapted automatically to your vi-compatible bindings.

In cases where they're only doing so figuratively though, you'll have this mismatch between how you're used to doing things and how the new thing expects you to work.

If you stay in the emacs world, this won't happen.

Yeah.. I ran into something like this today with occurrences mode in spacemacs. I had to "SPC w w" into the window and "C-x o" out of it :gibs:

I just started using it today and besides this issue, it seems really nice. At the very least it's teaching me about emacs plugins I should've been using this whole time.

Flat Daddy fucked around with this message at 04:13 on May 12, 2015

# ? May 12, 2015 04:10

Deus Rex: Mar 5, 2005

Dessert Rose posted:

You can just set evil to put you in a different evil mode (like emacs-mode) in buffers with the modes like you describe.

It takes about twenty seconds to add a new mode to the list once you've got the thing written.

If you're ing about having to tweak your init.el a little to make emacs behave like you want, then emacs isn't for you.

I have a ~800 SLOC .emacs.d directory and I know my way pretty well around Emacs Lisp. It's just that configuring this one thing is such a stupid pain to me, because I'm constantly discovering new modes where I get tripped up. Whatever.

fidel sarcastro posted:

I threw this in my config and it's solved most of those problems:
code:
(dolist (mode-map '((comint-mode . emacs)
		    (eshell-mode . emacs)
		    (fundamental-mode . emacs)
		    (git-commit-mode . insert)
		    (git-rebase-mode . emacs)
		    (help-mode . emacs)
		    (term-mode . emacs)))
  (evil-set-initial-state `,(car mode-map) `,(cdr mode-map)))
Not mine originally, but I can't remember the source to link it.

Thanks, that's a nice start of modes to disable evil in if I ever give it another shot.

# ? May 12, 2015 06:07

Catalyst-proof: May 11, 2011; better waste some time with you

Flat Daddy posted:

Yeah.. I ran into something like this today with occurrences mode in spacemacs. I had to "SPC w w" into the window and "C-x o" out of it

Groady. As if Emacs muscle memory isn't difficult enough

# ? May 12, 2015 06:44

bollig: Apr 7, 2006; Never Forget.

Deus Rex posted:

It's frustrating because vim is so much better at actually editing text, but emacs is better in every other way as a programming tool. Oh well.

This is basically where I'm from. And I'm trying to figure out the best way to rectify it. Just running emacs in evil mode is working so well, but I really haven't done all that much.

# ? May 14, 2015 13:40

Catalyst-proof: May 11, 2011; better waste some time with you

I'm trying to write an nnimap-split-fancy function which depends on the list of existing folder names for the account. Is there a function to just get a list of existing group names for a server?

EDIT: Found gnus-groups-from-server, seems to do what I need.

Catalyst-proof fucked around with this message at 00:10 on May 17, 2015

# ? May 16, 2015 23:55

midnightclimax: Dec 3, 2011; by XyloJW

Is there any way to desktop-save follow-mode for a specific frame? I just re-enable it after startup, but there's probably a smarter way to do it.

e: nm just putting it in .emacs does the trick. (I probably was worried it would be global or whatever)

midnightclimax fucked around with this message at 12:37 on May 30, 2015

# ? May 30, 2015 11:26

pgroce: Oct 24, 2002

On June 10, the Marmalade repo's certificate expired. (Yay, encryption everywhere.) Since then, my attempts to update package lists from there have failed. There seems to be no hurry to fix it; I left a bug on Github and, in desperation, even tweeted Nic Ferrier about it. No one cares, I guess.

I've seen no one else talking about this, so I assume there's an easy workaround. (I'm on Emacs 24.4 still, so maybe the answer is "use Emacs 24.5"?) Suggestions would be appreciated.

# ? Jun 25, 2015 19:01

Hollow Talk: Feb 2, 2014

pgroce posted:

On June 10, the Marmalade repo's certificate expired. (Yay, encryption everywhere.) Since then, my attempts to update package lists from there have failed. There seems to be no hurry to fix it; I left a bug on Github and, in desperation, even tweeted Nic Ferrier about it. No one cares, I guess.

I've seen no one else talking about this, so I assume there's an easy workaround. (I'm on Emacs 24.4 still, so maybe the answer is "use Emacs 24.5"?) Suggestions would be appreciated.

From what I can see, it produces an error with 24.5(.1) as well, so the answer isn't "use Emacs 24.5". :saddowns:

# ? Jun 25, 2015 21:47

aerique: Jul 16, 2008

Well, I guess there's one advantage to not using the Emacs package manager.

# ? Jun 25, 2015 22:22

Tetraptous: Nov 11, 2004; Dynamic instability during transition.

Huh. I hadn't noticed myself, but I generally prefer the melpa version of packages over marmalade when there's a choice between the two. Sounds like a pretty serious problem! They should probably fix it!

# ? Jun 26, 2015 00:50

duck hunt: Dec 22, 2010

I just got a new keyboard from WASD, and it has a switch on the back of the board that you can set to remove caps lock and turn it into Ctrl like the old IBM keyboards. On top of being really well made and great to use, I highly recommend them for emacs work.

# ? Jul 19, 2015 08:04

wooger: Apr 16, 2005; YOU RESENT?

duck hunt posted:

I just got a new keyboard from WASD, and it has a switch on the back of the board that you can set to remove caps lock and turn it into Ctrl like the old IBM keyboards. On top of being really well made and great to use, I highly recommend them for emacs work.

You can do this in software pretty easily FWIW. However, I've found that moving Ctrl to the alt key, alt to the win key & escape to CapsLock is by far the most ergonomic layout for me. Ctrl on escape is still using the pinky on the left side only far too much.

Caveat: I use evil-mode

# ? Jul 19, 2015 12:49

Hollow Talk: Feb 2, 2014

wooger posted:

You can do this in software pretty easily FWIW. However, I've found that moving Ctrl to the alt key, alt to the win key & escape to CapsLock is by far the most ergonomic layout for me. Ctrl on escape is still using the pinky on the left side only far too much.

Caveat: I use evil-mode

In true Emacs spirit, one can never have enough modifier keys, so my CapsLock key is bound to Hyper, which gives me Meta (Win), Alt, Ctrl, Shift & Hyper. :colbert:

# ? Jul 19, 2015 14:52

Dessert Rose: May 17, 2004; awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

With vim keybindings, C-] also exits insert mode. I rarely use esc for it.

# ? Jul 19, 2015 22:01

aerique: Jul 16, 2008

Dessert Rose posted:

With vim keybindings, C-] also exits insert mode. I rarely use esc for it.

That's the only downside to being a Lisp hippy and switching the brackets and the parens: no C-] :-(

# ? Jul 19, 2015 23:47

midnightclimax: Dec 3, 2011; by XyloJW

Anyone using cider? I'm trying to set it up, but get loads of errors. I'm not sure all of that is related to the warning to use lein repl 2.7, since I can't see that stuff in other's peoples complaints about that requirement.

This is what I get when I start it up with cider-inject and hit Enter

# ? Aug 3, 2015 12:36

Dessert Rose: May 17, 2004; awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

Kind of looks like you pasted the error message into the REPL input.

Does it work fine after that?

# ? Aug 4, 2015 01:01

midnightclimax: Dec 3, 2011; by XyloJW

Dessert Rose posted:

Kind of looks like you pasted the error message into the REPL input.

Does it work fine after that?

Yeah that's what I figured. Thing is, when I try to C-x C-e (cider-eval-last-expression) a line in my code, I don't get output in cider/the repl, but just error messages in the mini (?) buffer (the line at the bottom). Can't recall the exact error wording now, I'll edit that in later.

# ? Aug 4, 2015 05:32

pgroce: Oct 24, 2002

That could also be a bare error message coming from cider-nrepl, and the cider elisp subsequently trying to parse it.

Did you upgrade your nRepl dep as requested, BTW? It's not clear to me from what you've said. I'd get that sorted first, whatever else may be wrong. No misbehavior would surprise me if that isn't working as expected, especially if you're trying to use the debugger.

# ? Aug 4, 2015 05:49

midnightclimax: Dec 3, 2011; by XyloJW

Ok, the culprit was wrong information in profiles.clj. Basically I followed a step-by-step tutorial, and it apparently hasn't been updated*. Seems to work now, although I'm not a fan of cider changing focus and content of a frame, every time I eval something buggy.

* looking at you, braveclojure.com

# ? Aug 4, 2015 06:56

MrDoDo: Jun 27, 2004; You better remember quick before we haul your sweet ass down to the precinct.

midnightclimax posted:

* looking at you, braveclojure.com

Wow, this actually looks pretty cool.

# ? Aug 4, 2015 21:51

Dessert Rose: May 17, 2004; awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

Braveclojure.com is how I got started with Clojure (and emacs, actually). It's really good.

# ? Aug 5, 2015 17:28

NickPlowswell: Sep 14, 2014; The exoplanet has failed

I recently started using Emacs about a month ago before that I was using Vim and before that Sublime.

What's the prefered way of keeping things synchronized between installations?

I actively use both Windows and Linux. For now, I keep my .emacs.d folder stored on my second NTFS partition I keep all of my media on. On windows, I have a hardlink to it and another to my Dropbox folder and on Linux a symlink.

This seams robust enough, if I ever need my Emacs configuration elsewhere.

# ? Aug 8, 2015 02:29

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

NickPlowswell posted:

I recently started using Emacs about a month ago before that I was using Vim and before that Sublime.

What's the prefered way of keeping things synchronized between installations?

I actively use both Windows and Linux. For now, I keep my .emacs.d folder stored on my second NTFS partition I keep all of my media on. On windows, I have a hardlink to it and another to my Dropbox folder and on Linux a symlink.

This seams robust enough, if I ever need my Emacs configuration elsewhere.

Source control, man. :cool:

# ? Aug 8, 2015 03:22

Hollow Talk: Feb 2, 2014

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

Source control, man.

This is pretty much the correct answer. Use something like git (or svn or some such), put your config in there, and use something like github, bitbucket (they offer free private repositories) or a server you own to push your configuration. Then clone the repository on your other system, and there you go. The only thing you have to be a bit careful with is to put architecture/OS specific things in there without any kind of test, if-statement etc., since that might break one system while happily working on the other.

# ? Aug 8, 2015 18:27

tazjin: Jul 24, 2015

Hollow Talk posted:

This is pretty much the correct answer. Use something like git (or svn or some such), put your config in there, and use something like github, bitbucket (they offer free private repositories) or a server you own to push your configuration. Then clone the repository on your other system, and there you go. The only thing you have to be a bit careful with is to put architecture/OS specific things in there without any kind of test, if-statement etc., since that might break one system while happily working on the other.

You can have a snippet like this to keep local configuration (e.g. secrets, OS specific stuff) to a machine. I do this so that I can always keep the rest of the config public.

code:

(let ((local-file "~/.emacs.d/init-local.el"))
  (if (file-exists-p local-file)
      (load local-file)))

# ? Aug 8, 2015 23:07

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

tazjin posted:

You can have a snippet like this to keep local configuration (e.g. secrets, OS specific stuff) to a machine. I do this so that I can always keep the rest of the config public.
code:
(let ((local-file "~/.emacs.d/init-local.el"))
  (if (file-exists-p local-file)
      (load local-file)))

You can save yourself a bit of effort if you notice the optional arguments to load:

code:

(load "~/.emacs.d/init-local" t)

# ? Aug 8, 2015 23:22

midnightclimax: Dec 3, 2011; by XyloJW

Anyone been messing around with EXWM? Sounds crazy. Basically emacs is now a tiling window manager, and every window becomes a buffer.

https://github.com/ch11ng/exwm/wiki

# ? Aug 10, 2015 05:22

Dessert Rose: May 17, 2004; awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

Soricidus posted:

You can save yourself a bit of effort if you notice the optional arguments to load:
code:
(load "~/.emacs.d/init-local" t)

I also like to have a machine-specific-config dir which has subdirs named corresponding to the output of (system-name) on each machine, which I add to the load list at the top.

Then if I want to override a particular file on a given machine I just add it there and the load call pulls that file instead of the default.

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# ? May 12, 2024 20:21

PleasantDilemma: Dec 5, 2006; The Last Hope for Peace

Looks like EmacsConf is this weekend in San Francisco. Anyone going? Seems much of it will be live streamed. I plan to check it out, maybe get a emacs guru to show me how helm mode is installed and used.

http://emacsconf2015.org/

# ? Aug 24, 2015 17:16

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