The Home Networking Megathread - Yes the OP is out of date

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LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

Just run cable under trim/over doors. If you don't want to do that messy, cheap solution then, Make your antennas directional or use ethernet over AC wiring.

Is this in the OP?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4695/handson-powerline-networking-how-well-or-not-are-latestgeneration-devices-working

https://k0gkj.wordpress.com/2009/12/28/homebrew-microwave-antennas-that-perform/

# ¿ Nov 5, 2011 04:31

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# ¿ May 3, 2024 20:30

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

Installed DD-WRT Mini on this E1000 V2. Just wanted to say that it seems to work pretty durn well, there's not much signal contention in the first place, but it seems to have good range through the walls and give me a solid 20mbps over the air to the net (only one PC, so no throughput test).

Is the 40(m?)hz spread a wireless N feature? It doesn't seem to do a thing when I enable it. I couldn't find any info on how big of a power boost people have put on particular routers, is that a thing?

I also wanted to show off my pro ice setup.

# ¿ Nov 19, 2011 22:21

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

How about thunderbolt? If your other machine is near you, that's a 10gbit connection no? I guess there probably isn't software to do this yet. You'd have to wait until 2012 before the hardware is available for non macs (or buy new macs) though. Hopefully their fiber optic cables actually come out as they are promising 100meter runs.

Is this seen as ANY kind of replacement to ethernet/TCP in the future?

# ¿ Nov 21, 2011 22:23

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

Moving into a new place... What are the odds that I can get 100mb over the cat 3? It is a small house with new wires. Anyone have experience with this?

# ¿ Jul 20, 2012 06:59

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

I'm moving into a new place with Verizon (now Frontier) Fiber. I am trying to think ahead on how I am going to set up my home network, but I don't know enough about the service. I didn't have a chance to crack open the ONT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_FiOS) but if it is like the one at my parents' house it has a coax that goes the the router inside, a phone jack for the landlines and an ethernet port. I'm curious as to what the ethernet port is for if they seem to just run the cable to a box. I only want internet access and if I can use that port it simplifies my setup. Anyone know what the deal is?

# ¿ Jul 26, 2012 08:48

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

MustangCharlie posted:

That was actually the first thing that I tried before calling Comcast. Yes, it was much faster. A speed test showed download speed at around 20 mb/s, I believe. But that just tells me that my modem is capable of sending and receiving at a much faster speed than my computers connected to the wireless network. That didn't really surprise me though, because I assumed all wireless networks are slower than being hard wired.

So like I said above, the Comcast support person tried a few things with me with little success and then she decided I just have a bad router. I've just been a little skeptical about her assessment and I haven't had a lot of money to go out and just buy a new router to experiment with. I was hoping some of you could give me your opinions on this situation now that I have a little bit of Christmas money to play with.

What if you plug the cable into the router which is plugged into the modem? Is it fast or slow? I don't know why I feel like I have to explain this, but if it is slow, then your router is overall a piece of poo poo, if it is fast, then something is up with your wireless.

# ¿ Dec 16, 2012 22:43

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

I don't like to berate people either, but this is logical stuff.

You answered your own question then. Your internet speeds work normally (20 megabit) in all cases except when you are using wifi. Thus, we can say that your wifi speed seems slow.

Is this a normal wifi speed? No, it is not, it is slow, maybe your local area is crowded, maybe your router is hosed, maybe your computer's wifi is hosed. It can be a combination.

If you wanted to know if your wifi speed was normal, you can LITERALLY type into google "what is a normal actual wifi speed in megabits".

I'll give you the answer, super ballpark: you should expect about 20.

Use the software called INSSIDER to scan your area. is it super full of networks? That may be your problem.

You need to work with us, and think about why we are asking the questions we are asking.

# ¿ Dec 17, 2012 00:38

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

Draw a diagram of your house, including walls, floors, ethernet drops and broadband connector. How is your signal in those rooms as it stands now? It's always better performance wise to run cable or use existing drops.

# ¿ Dec 30, 2012 00:04

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

If in the same room, then 5GHZ will increase you speeds. Sounds like you have high volume in a small area. Use cables for all the desktops and laptops, and use a router with dual band (2.4 and 5ghz) Wifi for everything else. 5 GHZ can blast out faster speeds in a limited range and the channels are usually less congested.

# ¿ Dec 30, 2012 07:38

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Wireless_Bridge
It could be beneficial to use something with more than one ethernet port.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2013 11:31

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

You have a good shot of getting 100mbps over that cable anyway, just wire some phone plugs to an ethernet cable!

edit: i meant wire ethernet plugs to the phone cables!

LRADIKAL fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Mar 18, 2013

# ¿ Mar 17, 2013 22:49

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

http://support.photosmithapp.com/knowledgebase/articles/114124-what-is-ap-isolation-mode-and-why-should-i-disable

??? Do you like to make it hard to connect to your own devices?

# ¿ Mar 28, 2013 23:24

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

Do you have government spy secrets? Illegal porn? Are you a secret lizard person? Why so paranoid?

# ¿ Apr 5, 2013 03:40

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004XXMUCQ/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=

Is this thing awesome? I suspect it is. I need it for filling out the wifi in my lead lined home. I want to be able to run my phone+ htc media link reliably along with a laptop and any guest devices. I'm currently running my wifi off oif my actiontec cable modem and it is not quite tolerable. There doesn't seem to be any pure WAP advice in the OP.

# ¿ May 5, 2013 01:30

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

Bought a Unifi Pro (2.4ghz only) and surprise, it works better than the modem antennae that came with my Frontier FIOS. It even manages to blast through my water heater and lead painted walls. I haven't even hung it up high yet. The management software makes me want to buy another even though I don't really need one.

# ¿ Jun 13, 2013 08:24

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

http://www.ubnt.com/unifi I got the cheapest 2.4ghz model of one of these shits and it is totally ill and has an awesome signal even through my water heater and deep freeze. I get signal from alley to street. It's not exactly super crowded, but every channel is used by neighbors. Also the power over ethernet and built in mount make it easy to put up in a high, central location.

# ¿ Sep 3, 2013 19:34

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

You can also run low voltage power over the Ethernet for certain dc powered devices. You mentioned hdmi, you can run hdmi long range over Ethernet with simple adaptors, so the sky is the limit.

# ¿ Sep 17, 2013 18:56

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

Hardflip posted:

I've got a question about which device would be the culprit of some network problems I'm having: the modem or the router. I have a Virgin Superhub (set to modem only mode) and 2013 Time Capsule. My ISP gives me 60mbit.

At random times the bandwidth the router allows devices to get dips - there is no sign of when this is going to happen. All devices should be able to pull the full 60mbit, as their transmit rates (listed in Airport Utility) is usually above 50Mb/s.

When these dips happen, the bandwidth isn't consistent among devices. My iPhone 5 might pull 10mbit, my Macbook may pull 40mbit. My PS4, which is connected via ethernet, might only pull 5mbit.

When I take out the modem to router ethernet cable and replug it back in, speeds go back to normal again for all devices.

Am I wrong in thinking this shouldn't be a modem issue, since it's just passing on the connection to the router? Rather, it is the router messing up handling out bandwidth distribution?

I had a 2009 Time Capsule prior to this and never had any issues like this.

To find the answer to your question I suggest plugging your device directly into the modem. If there are no dips it is more likely your router, if there are dips then it's your modem.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2014 11:30

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

I cannot help but suggest a Ubiquiti AP plus a non-wireless router. If they made it legal I would marry my access point (nah, I'd get the one with 5GHZ and marry that).

# ¿ Mar 22, 2014 18:05

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

Noxious posted:

Can you be more specific? I don't mind doing a little more for the setup. Are we talking something like m0n0wall or whatever plus something like a Ubiquiti PicoStation? Or are you suggesting I get a MircoTik setup? What is my cost/overall power usage vs say the N66U or the AC66U?

http://www.ubnt.com/unifi#ap
I have a Unifi. Pick the one you want based on price/protocol. The cheapest one has 2.4ghz only and is what I have and love. I don't have a solid recommendation for a non-wifi router, I am just using my lousy modem.

# ¿ Mar 23, 2014 02:35

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

You only have to run the application if you want activity logging. I turn on the software every now and again and look in on the guy for a day or two, then leave it alone.

# ¿ Mar 25, 2014 01:35

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/291131706322?lpid=82
Epoxy

or lock the router in a room.

# ¿ May 21, 2014 03:17

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

I've found in practice that the access point won't even attempt to use 40 hz if there is any amount of traffic around.

# ¿ Jul 6, 2014 11:12

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

I never ever have to reset my unifi 2.4 ghz WAP. pair it with a solid switch and you should be gold.

# ¿ Oct 10, 2014 21:09

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

I'm not sure if bonded DSL lines give you a single twice as fast stream, double the total bandwidth. That being said, one of your connections is much slower than the other.

# ¿ Mar 11, 2015 02:15

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

What's the deal with the edgerouter? It has the POE input and a POE output. Doesn't seem practical for most home uses. Seems like you would just used the attached DC adapters for both your AP and the router. What is the practical use of a router with just one POE output?

# ¿ Nov 14, 2015 21:37

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

I get that, but it seems like you'll have the router near a power outlet in the first place and you can interpose the bundled POE injector for your AP in the same room.

code:

WALL PLUG -> Injector -> EdgeRouter -> AP

or

WALL PLUG -> DC Adapter -> EdgeRouter
WALL PLUG -> DC Adapter -> AP

Now that I diagrammed it... you save a wall plug, and an ethernet cable.

Certainly, the full POE injected setup is more elegant.

You still need to BUY another injector for the edge router right? Or does the one for the AP supply enough juice for both. In that case It makes sense, if not you're spending more money.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2015 22:22

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

My house is wired with a bunch of 4 strand phone cords. They meet in a junction box outside the house. It would be great to be able to simply pull new CAT6 through with the old wiring. Is there a small 4 or 5 port switch that uses POE that I could possibly put out there? My ideal would be to put a router inside one room that would send power and data to that exterior switch which would then send data to where my phone jacks used to be.

# ¿ Apr 18, 2016 04:26

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

I may have to do a box, didn't see any obvious weatherproof things that weren't 400 bucks in my quick search. Can you point me to one of the POE switches? I am not sure on the keyword. I think I found switches that provided power rather than ran on POE.

# ¿ Apr 18, 2016 11:27

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

Once again, I'm having trouble finding a specific product. As mentioned in my previous post, I'm setting up a home network by pulling all the old phone cable to a box on the outside of my house. I realized now (am I going down a rabbit hole?) that I should obviously have a patch panel in there for extra reliability and flexibility. Can anyone recommend an outdoor patch box with room for a router inside it?

# ¿ Apr 30, 2016 20:03

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

I'm pretty happy with my Pi-Hole. Nice interface, low power, cheap. It uses the google DNS, but I suppose I could use the cloudflare one or whatever. I can get away from using adblockers on my systems here, and it extends to my phones via wi-fi which is nice.

# ¿ Jun 24, 2018 08:30

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

Just got a USG 3P for my birthday, all set up. Any features in particular I should be using? Remote admin is very easy with this, the DPI stuff is pretty neat. My net connection is 200/200mb, so I probably need to keep the hardware offload enabled, so I can't use the extra security features, right?

# ¿ Jan 9, 2020 04:29

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

How big is your house?
How much are you willing to spend?
What's your experience level with this sort of thing.
How many devices do you have?
Do you own the house?
Are you willing to drill through walls?
Do you have an attic?

# ¿ Jan 12, 2020 06:16

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

As I said above, I have a USG, and after setting it up, basic remote administration is very simple and handy. Sounds like that might help your serviceability question.

# ¿ Jan 12, 2020 19:49

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

I haven't had to even disable it for quite a while. I think it has been improving over time.

# ¿ Jan 14, 2020 20:54

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

Yeah, leave your computer on. In the winter it's a perfectly efficient heater.

# ¿ Mar 25, 2020 08:40

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

Tom Tucker posted:

I think the ship sailed on that - they re-did the electrical a few years ago and opening up the old walls was a nightmare. I'm not even sure they have a cable access point on the second floor... I will find out!

If the wiring was replaced recently and properly, you might have good luck with powerline adapters as well.

# ¿ Apr 8, 2020 01:58

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

Or plume. I think all these major mesh setups start under 400.

# ¿ Apr 25, 2020 20:13

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

For my own personal reasons that must not be questioned, I ran a cat6 direct bury cable into my back alley car port to plug an outdoor AP into. I'm curious as to the best method of securing the port. The topology is usg to switch, to POE powered outdoor switch to the back alley. I suppose the passive POE might be enough to fry some trespassers Ethernet. I could also physically secure it with some epoxy I'm sure.

# ¿ May 9, 2020 19:11

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# ¿ May 3, 2024 20:30

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

H110Hawk posted:

As in, secure it from unauthorized use? 802.11x EAP-TLS is the real answer here. Some systems will let you reset macsec on carrier loss but that seems obnoxious to fix each time you do a firmware update on your AP. Install a cert on your AP, trust it on your USG, and refuse access to anyone else. I'm making a bunch of logical leaps here on what the USG supports out of the box.

Thanks, looks like I'll be setting up a RADIUS server to go with it.

# ¿ May 9, 2020 23:23

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