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Palladium
May 8, 2012

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Dyscrasia posted:

So the subs on my klipsch 4.1s are blown. I'm going to try to refoam them, but failing that, sounds like I want A2s with an add-on sub as a good replacement? I don't care much about the surround, I just listen to music. Size is a factor though, a satellite + sub setup is really all I have room for.

I must have the longest lasting klipsch promedia setup ever from what I am hearing. Used on ebay something like 10 years ago. Just had to rewire the speakers and then the subs go. The amp circuit board still looks great.

How space constrained are you talking about? Like not having enough space for a pair of Micca MB42x? I personally find Audioengine stuff to be horribly overrated and overpriced especially when considering their spotty reliability.

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Josh Lyman posted:

Why is receiver + bookshelf speakers generally recommended over a 2.1 system in the $100-150 range?

If you like overwhelming amounts of lovely bass for your AWP to rumble the floor when it shouldn't, "subwoofers" that are crossed too high and a near complete death of midrange then yeah those are good.

Otherwise a $260 pair of LSR305s is going to slaughter anything cheaper, including bass performance even without a sub.

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Electric Bugaloo posted:

.....Just wait until you guys start spending *actual* money on audio equipment. :allears:

LSRs are actually better than most audio equipment that costs "actual money".

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Crescendo posted:

Hello friends!

Can anyone recommend a pair of speakers that would meet the following criteria:

* 2.0;
* Small footprint - ideally no longer than 4-5" (maybe 6") in any dimension;
* Better quality than your standard Logitech or Creative crap, but nothing too high-end (they will only be used a few times a fortnight for basic listening);
* Max $150, but would prefer lower.

Thanks for your time. :)

I don't want to be *that* guy but I'm pretty sure you are asking for the impossible.

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Also, I'm quite sure many vendors cheat by quoting raw specs of the DAC chip than their overall performance of their implementation with the chip.

For playback, 24-bit is only better than 16-bit for less quantization noise when using software volume control, even so we are getting in mostly pedantic territory in the real world. But sampling rates above 48KHz are utterly worthless.

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Herr Tog posted:

this is getting more expensive than I thought but Thank you for those sick recommendations

As long as you stay far far away from placebophile nonsense, decent playback gear is cheap considering how long they last and audio tech evolves at a glacial pace.

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There's also the Edifier MR4s which is basically a much cheaper and smaller pair of JBL 305Ps with less low-end extension.

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Ok Comboomer posted:

yeah, they test remarkably well for a <$100 DAC, never mind a <$10 DAC

From first hand experience, a DAC with only 1V RMS output sounds anemic on a 305p and also exacerbates the idle hissing problem by turning the volume way up to compensate the lack of input gain.

Would recommend investing $100 on a Scarlett Solo as a DAC for the full balanced + 4V RMS line out...plus mic in, headphone out and volume control knob as a bonus.

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All of what you described are good reasons why you should just buy a basic USB pro audio interface with a pair of balanced 1/4" TRS cables, like the Solo 3rd Gen I mentioned before.

It will have a much higher audio output, balanced connections to counter external EM interference going into the speakers, no need to use flimsy 3.5mm jacks and the USB will shield the DAC from the PC's own electronic interference.

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Long story short: It's nigh impossible find a 3.5mm TRS stereo to 1/4" TRS stereo cable, because there's no useful case for it; 1/4" jacks are virtually always mono.

However, 3.5mm TRS stereo split to 2x mono 1/4" TS its a common way to hook a consumer audio source to pro audio gear that either expects a unbalanced or balanced input.

Long story: You gotta fundamentally understand the physical and electrical characteristics of audio connector standards to fully make sense out of this.

Palladium fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Dec 5, 2022

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Ok Comboomer posted:

There are a lot of 3.5mm TRS to 1/4” TRS adaptors though, for connecting things like headphones and consumer electronics to pro equipment, connecting certain “pro” and high end headphones to various things, etc

For headphone outs, yes.

But I can't think of any equipment with 1/4" TRS inputs that can accept unbalanced stereo on them though. The only illogical oddball audio connection I have seen is speaker-level RCA on my L/R speakers of my old Klipsch Promedia GMX 2.1, and that's it.

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Rocko Bonaparte posted:

Well a Focusrite DAC with a pair of TRS balanced cables showed up today, and yeah, poo poo. It went from "Heh these are alright" to "I'm the Maxell chair guy."

same I was also amazed by how much better my 305s sounded after upgrading to true full-powered balanced line-level connections, glad it also worked out for ya

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biceps crimes posted:

Anyone have alternatives to the JBL 305P's that are roughly similar cost/quality that don't hiss?

I have seen many many things about this but I can only barely hear a hint of hiss at 1 inch from the tweeter, volume knob turned to 5/12, on TRS balanced from a SMSL D-6 DAC. That is also when its idling when it's in active mode, not when it's on sleep mode, room noise at <30 dB.

Most also never state any of their usage parameters when complaining about hiss, so I assume they hear it easily because they feed the 305's with an interference heavy, underpowered line out source on unbalanced connections.

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There's also the Kali LP-6 v2 (avoid the v1 at all costs though) which is slightly better than the 305 in SQ and no hissing according to Erin's Audio, but its also larger and more expensive

But then again in the "better than 305" train of thought, I will rather pay more for the IN-5 v2 which is a true 3-way design for bargain price in the 3-way speaker territory

Palladium fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Dec 8, 2022

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https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/T5V--adam-audio-t5v-5-inch-powered-studio-monitor

Adam T5V at a killer $150 each (better than JBL 305P IMO firsthand)

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fletcher posted:

My Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 have served me well for 20+ years but I think they are ready to be retired. Sounds like something is wrong with the sub and all the connections are pretty shoddy from wear and tear. Size is an important factor and I want to stay around the same size as the current ones (8.5 x 4.2 x 5.7"). I'd be connecting them to an ADI-2 DAC. Mainly to be used for listening to music when I'm tired of wearing headphones all day. Not too sure on the budget yet, ideally something that laststhe next 20 years. Bonus points if it doesn't have a volume knob or any inputs on it, since they won't be needed anyways. Also if it doesn't have any big holes in it that will collect cat hair. Most of the active monitors I'm seeing are a bit too big for my desk. The Genelec 8010A & 7040A seems like a high end option that meets all the criteria, not exactly easy to pull the trigger on at that price point though. What are some others to look at?

iLoud Micros, I have a pair and I highly recommend them. Actual 50hz output measured with a Umik-1 and REW.

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KozmoNaut posted:

They're really good and have unbelievably good bass that feels like it shouldn't be possible in speakers of that size. The catch is that they will only play so loud before the blinking red light tells you to turn it down. They're using a bunch of DSP tricks after all, and there's only so much amp power available.

As PC speakers they go loud enough, but I wouldn't use them as living room speakers.

I have mine mounted on some desk mic stands (the speakers have standard mic mount threaded holes) to get them to ear height, I would highly recommend that.

Yup they are endgame speakers if you never need more than their constraints. I actually have them with the -3dB LF switch on because it was putting too much bass by default with the desk lined up to the wall. I also had a few chances to listen to much more expensive speakers like the 705P or the KH120 II, besides their obvious SPL headroom I don't feel I missing anything clarity wise on the iLouds.

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Arivia posted:

Baller setup. With all that gear does the volume wheel on your keyboard actually do anything?

software volume control by OS, with how common 32 bit DACs are the bit reduction used for that doesn't affect any fidelity

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fletcher posted:

Ended up getting the iLoud Micros to replace my aging 20+ year old Klipsch Promedia 2.1s. They sound good, but a little underwhelming - I'd say a noticeable but pretty slight improvement over the Klipsch.

The thing that might be the deciding factor for returning them is their little feet - they are quite wobbly and with cats roaming my desk on occasion I think they are just going to be too unstable and get knocked off easily.

I am interesting in trying something that may be a more noticeable difference in fidelity but also more stable. I want to try the Genelec 8010's but a return to B&H is not as painless as Amazon. Maybe the Neumann KH80 ? Both are probably more than I'd be willing to part with though. Maybe some middle ground in a different option?

If you are unhappy with iLoud Micros the KH80 and 8010 also probably ain't gonna cut it too. Best small-sized alternative would be the newly released Kali LP-UNF.

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