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SexyBrianPuppet posted:That Vriska wasn't actually part of a beta timeline though. It was just a vision of what would happen if Terezi didn't kill Vriska. Terezi killing Vriska was a decision, just a calculated one based on what she saw in her vision. As has been shown, decisions are what cause beta timelines to spawn.
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Arrhythmia posted:If Vriska wins that fight though, then Jack will never kill the kid's universe. Without a dead universe, the green sun wouldn't be created by the exploding tumor, so she'd never even see it. http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/03808.gif But she did see it.
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Gabriel Pope posted:It's never been established that beta timelines do or don't exist except where they're necessary to loop back into the alpha timeline. Actually... According to Terezi in that page, the Beta timeline spawned because Dave made a choice. The Beta timeline that spawned was where Dave chose the opposite one the awake Dave made. As a result of that, Beta Dave looped back in time to get killed on his Quest Bed, but instead got killed by Jack. Terezi isn't the most reliable person to explain the mechanics, but, well, those are the mechanics as we know them. EDIT: It's possible to argue that Felt Beta Dave only exists because he looped back into the alpha to die, but I don't think that's the case. It seems that beta timelines just spawn whenever someone makes the wrong choice and occasionally someone loops back, but most of the time everyone just dies. Hanks Lust Cafe posted:That's not the Green Sun, that's Jack blowing up the Troll Meteor. gently caress. You're right. King of Solomon fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Oct 29, 2011 |
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Oct 29, 2011 01:38
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Captain Oblivious posted:Indeed. It's by no means a sure thing, but it's also not unlikely either. This is true, but Aradia was both a) already there because she flew through Jack and b) able to map the place out because she's a hero of time. The hero of light doesn't necessarily have that same power, and would have to rely on being fast enough to make it while the beacon of light is still there.
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Oct 29, 2011 01:44
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True Evil Bob posted:I'm just going to blindly hope Vriska's story isn't over because I really wanted to see alpha john and alpha vriska meet. I don't think that isn't happening without either a jailbreak or John dying a heroic death (because let's be honest here, there's no way he's dying a just death.) Alpha Vriska is dead.
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Oct 29, 2011 02:01
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True Evil Bob posted:One of the dead Solluxes was able to follow Aradia to the green sun and is present when Rose/Dave show up. Not technically a jailbreak, but close enough. 
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Oct 29, 2011 04:39
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Bobulus posted:You know, considering this is the last act, and I think at one point Hussie said Act 6 would be more of an epilogue than anything... Act 7 is going to be more an epilogue than anything. Act 6 is just not going to be as long as Act 5 was (assuming it doesn't derail.)
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Oct 29, 2011 04:58
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QueerPope posted:In the kid's session, yeah, it was supposed to happen. But the way that the game would have normally gone without any weird glitches showing up then the hero of space would not have ended up this overpowered. Yeah, it's really important to make the distinction between what happened in the sessions we've seen and what would normally happen in a (successful) SBURB session.
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Oct 29, 2011 21:39
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Zorak posted:It wouldn't surprise me if it comes down to Karkat in the God-Tier being the only way for Vriska to come back to life. His powers seem primarily about calming and leading people, but it wouldn't surprise me if in the God Tier he basically fulfills the Christ metaphor and brings Vriska back to life as everyone is crying at the glory of their savior, Jegus the Karkat I suppose where coming back to life yourself is a fairly standard power, bringing someone else back to life might be something... I wonder what would happen if, say, John used his breathy thing on a not perfectly fresh corpse actually. That would be...something. I'd say nothing would happen, but god tier powers.
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Oct 30, 2011 04:35
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Nilbop posted:If we never have to see Vriska again I'll be over the moon. I couldn't get over how well she got on considering what she did to people simply because she was a huge bitch. She was an extremely well developed character.
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Oct 30, 2011 04:39
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dumb brunette posted:Oh boy, is it time for a repeat of every Vriskachat we've ever had? I'll get the popcorn if you bring the soda I'd really rather not bring it back up. The thread just came back a few days ago, drat it. We've basically had one set of updates. 
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Oct 30, 2011 04:43
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dumb brunette posted:All you really need to know is that when Hivebent was in its prime and Vriska kept doing crazy things, people would get into pages-long arguments about whether she was a good or bad character anytime she was onscreen (and often when she wasn't). To add to this, (if I remember correctly) it got so bad at one point that it was actually banned from the thread. It basically ruined the thread whenever it came back because it got so ridiculous. It was not the only topic that got like this, but it was certainly the worst of them.
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but I'm pretty sure they still do this religiously. Almost as a form of entertainment.
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Easy mode: [s] John: Reunite with your loving wife and daughter. There were a lot of incredible flashes, many really full of content and great action, and a lot of great scenes and chatlogs that didn't come from flashes, but none will quite measure up to the sheer hilarity of that flash. I've re-watched it many times, now, and while it's not as funny as it was that first time (which was one of those moments where I just broke down laughing. It's not the hardest I've ever laughed, but it's up there.) I can't even really explain why. It was just extremely funny. When you take away the flash pages, it does get a bit harder. With that said, though, I'd say it's one of two pages: This one, because it is an incredibly funny memo (as all memos are, really!), or this one. There were a lot of great pages out there, and while I was definitely partly aware of things by this point, that page (well, that whole sequence of pages. The entire discussion John and Vriska had there) really hammered home just how well developed Vriska (and really, all of the major characters) actually was(/were.) EDIT: dumb brunette posted:See I'd do this, but my answer would be "Vriska and her character arc and development" and look where that would get us. Just look!  )EDIT2: Added link. King of Solomon fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Oct 30, 2011 |
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Oct 30, 2011 05:36
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KoB posted:Vriska and John's conversations are always enjoyable to me. They're so awkward and adorable No lie, this is one of the main reasons I hope Vriska comes back in one form or another. Their conversations are just great. They're not the funniest things (those are almost exclusively based in Dave or Karkat), but I still really enjoy them.
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Oct 30, 2011 06:42
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Who knows if our/their ideas of heroism/justice even matter? It's entirely likely that it's just the universe (or the game) deciding what is just and/or heroic.
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Oct 30, 2011 20:46
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Fiction posted:Just so you guys know, Hussie was hit by the huge fuckoff snowstorm we just had and is likely without power for a few days. That's really unfortunate, but he wasn't really going to hop back into the grind until the 11th anyways, so this might not actually make much difference (from an audience standpoint.)
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Oct 30, 2011 21:52
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Nate RFB posted:Wait, is the question why didn't Aradia go straight into a dreambubble after she died for the first time? In addition to being A Special Case from the get go, couldn't it also just be because she hadn't entered the game yet? The Aradiabots, like the Beta Daves, have dreambubbles after all. Well, while the dream bubbles are outside the furthest ring where time is...weird, it's worth mentioning that at that point in the storyline, the dream bubbles didn't actually exist yet. That happened after Feferi died.
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Oct 30, 2011 22:04
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creationist believer posted:Slight point, but it was when her dreamself died and she went to sleep to show there was nothing wrong with sleeping without a dreamself and setting up the dream bubbles. I don't think that's the reason why Aradia became a ghost instead of going to a dream bubble, I think that's just because Aradia is Aradia. Probably. Yeah, I considered that. I wasn't sure exactly, especially given how nonlinear the troll timeline got at times, so I went with the safe choice.
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100 HOGS AGREE posted:I thought the horrorterrors set up the dream bubbles, and Feferi asked them to do it. This is indeed what happened.
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Oct 30, 2011 22:44
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Krinkle posted:I skipped 20 pages what is hard mode/easy mode? is this a song or group of songs? http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3444640&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=41#post397077173 This post explains it.
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Eiba posted:... Actually that just doesn't make sense period. How could the universe be destroyed and reset at the same time? Or rather, how could the universe be reset at one point in time and years later (but not many) be destroyed? I mean, clearly the things that destroyed the universe were not a consequence of the post-Scratch timeline so... what's going on there? It actually makes quite a lot of sense when you consider that the destruction of the kids' universe was external. Quite simply: since Bec Noir was no longer inside the kids' universe, the Scratch does not affect him, much as it does not affect Dave and Rose (who are at the Green Sun), or Jade and John (who left via the fourth wall before the Scratch finished), or any of the trolls (except possibly the Condesce). The circumstances of Bec Noir's creation no longer exist, but since he is no longer in the kids' universe, it doesn't matter.
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Boneless Jogger posted:Those make a lot of sense, but hey theory making is fun so I'll throw out another one. It might be another glitch, like the pre-scratch troll session had. If Bilious Slick doesn't exist, how can their universe exist? I don't really know how that'd work, though. That's also simple, and can be answered in two ways: 1) Assuming Bilious Slick still exists, but was killed by Red Miles: Slick wasn't always dead, so his history still remains. His history, in this case, being the post-Scratch universe (and everything before it.) The pre-Scratch universe happened, and things emerged from Slick as a result, but as far as he is concerned, there's just the post-Scratch universe. 2) Assuming Bilious Slick no longer exists as a result of Red Miles: he may not exist anymore, but that is not the same thing as him never having existed. For a while, he didn't exist, then the trolls created him and he became a universe. For a while, he was the post-Scratch universe (the pre-Scratch universe was overwritten by the post-Scratch universe, so it effectively does not exist, while things that escaped from it do because of the reasons outlined in the past few posts). Very simple.
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Oct 31, 2011 08:35
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JT Jag posted:Kanaya had her chance, after the showdown, to get Vriska to calm the gently caress down and play nice. In the end, Vriska's impulse to get her fight on against Jack was just too strong, though. ...No? She had her chance after the showdown, then didn't bother.
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Oct 31, 2011 21:15
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Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:I don't think she even knew Vriska was going to do something as stupid as going after Jack directly. At that point, she might not have even cared (well, beyond the consequences of Vriska's choice, obviously.)
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Oct 31, 2011 21:21
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Andrew Hussie's Tumblr posted:All of western Mass. lost power the other night because of some sort of absurd spooky pre-Halloween snowstorm. Yesterday morning I figured it’d probably take a week or so to fix the grid so I immediately got the hell out of dodge. Staying with people in Boston for a while. Glad he managed to get himself somewhere with power, at least, even if he may not be adding any content.
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Oct 31, 2011 23:00
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Nate RFB posted:I think there are two notions as to what the destroyed universe / scratched universe mean for each other, and we don't necessarily know which yet: While I can't say with any actual certainty since the story hasn't continued, I can say I really, really expect it to be #1. #2 seems...odd. Nonsensical, almost.
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GenericOverusedName posted:I think he is. Considering he already did that with The Sufferer, yeah, wouldn't surprise me.
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Nov 2, 2011 02:29
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Factory Factory posted:One thing I've been wondering is, why the yellow yard? Very simple: because the two fourth walls weren't pointed at each other beforehand. Andrew Hussie the character is the only reason they are next to each other aligned like that. Previously, they were...well. In different areas of the room/house/etc.
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Nov 3, 2011 02:49
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Bobulus posted:Nothing says that anyone has to be bothering them, but: Don't you think it's a little late to be introducing new characters? I mean, we'll definitely see the guardians as kids (except maybe Dad, who I think will be exactly the same due to how mundane his creation was; remember, Nanna was technically John's "guardian" as far as the ectobiology babies are concerned), but I don't think they'll be hugely important in the grand scheme of things.
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creationist believer posted:Hussie will find some way to pay for Olive Garden in exchange for dildoes. He will then proceed to never go to the Olive Garden.
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Supercar Gautier posted:Dad isn't in the loop when it comes to ectobiology and role-switching. People seem to forget this 24/7. That's why I expect him to be in exactly the same place he was in the pre-Scratch universe, if he's there at all.
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Well, it's important to consider his wording. If he says something could happen, it's definitely something that may not. If he says something will happen, that's completely different. He hasn't said anything incorrect. Just omitted important information and phrased perfectly correct statements in deceptive ways. Or in other words: he lies by omission, so when considering whether what he's saying is a lie or not, make sure you put a lot of emphasis on what he did not say.
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Judging by what we DO know about the Scratch process (which is very little, and may include some information that only applied to the troll Scratch), here's what I expect to see: 1) Mom, Bro, Nanna, and Harley (J?) are now the players. They are probably all being raised by strange things (except Nanna, who is presumably being raised by Dad, who due to his natural-born nature, should remain the same) because for one reason or another, their ectobiological parents don't exist, because 2) In the troll universe, it is suggested that the trolls and ancestors are literally the same characters as in the pre-Scratch universe because The Sufferer retained his memories (or at least some of them.) This may be because of the specific glitch of the pre-Scratch Troll session. None of the current Kids are in the universe at the time of the Scratch. 3) Doc Scratch will be raising J. Due to the death of Grandpa Harley, Jade was raised by her planet's first guardian. I expect this to remain the case (except instead of "death," there is "nonexistence") and in the Troll universe- and this may just be another conditional thing- the Scratch is what laid the seeds for Lord English and made Doc Scratch the first guardian. 4) As a result of this, the planet will be a brutal place much like the Troll society was. This is all conjecture based on very little reliable information, though. 
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YF-23 posted:Given that Doc Scratch/the circumstances that made the troll society brutal as gently caress were born out of the troll ancestors' deal with Echidna, I think there won't be a corrupting influence such as Doc Scratch on the kids' Scratched universe. That's why I said it was conditional, since I wasn't positive about that agreement (nor was I positive about the one Jade made with Echidna, for that matter.)
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Eiba posted:Honestly I'd have an even harder time with these gigantic flashes if I was reading the archive. This is true, but at the same time, later pages do a pretty decent job of explaining what happened in the flash, be it in the form of a recap or the characters talking about it, as they do.
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Walliard posted:I definitely missed a lot of stuff on my first archive binge, but part of that was due to glossing over some important exposition bits (esp. in Act 2) in favor of "more inventory/furniture shenanigans please!" This is why, despite how terrible Act 5.1's pesterlogs can get, I always emphasize the importance of actually reading everything in the story. Every goddamn word.
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CidGregor posted:What. Look, the trolls have some extremely annoying chat gimmicks, and as a result of this, Act 5 is a bit of a roadblock for people, causing them to do dumb things like skip pesterlogs. While this doesn't bother me personally, it's a fairly generally accepted thing, at least until people have read far enough to stop caring and enjoy the story again.
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YF-23 posted:Apologies in advance, but There is a very big difference between Hussie's writing and Buckley's. Buckley writes a "traditional" style comic and updates three times a week. Hussie writes a comic that is very non-traditional, in an adventure format with the words separate from the pictures (where they're out of the way.) When he's not on hiatus, Hussie averages seven pages per day. He may not prioritize being succinct (which is a problem that he acknowledges, also unlike Buckley!), but he at least has an excuse.
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jvempire posted:I think what seperates Homestuck from other webcomics is Hussie's writing style. It's not literary genius, but his writing is very entertaining and that's what keeps me coming back to HS. But HS does have flaws, like not all the trolls are fleshed out to name one example. Probably the biggest issue is not Hussie's fault though, and that is that the story isn't finished yet. Hussie is essentially releasing a novel page by page, meaning that some events maybe confusing and it's not possible for the reader to just turn to the next page to see what is happening. I agree that Homestuck has flaws, but uh. That's not one of them. Most of the trolls are minor characters. Not every character needs to be as fleshed out as, say, Vriska.
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OMFG FURRY posted:Despite the popularity of the term "web comic" in reference to novel-length stories presented in semi-regular updates, web comics are not novels. Which is not to say that comics cannot have the sophistication and depth of a novel, but the best web comics have qualities that separate them from straight prose. This is true. However, it's also true that Homestuck is very, very different from your normal webcomic. So different, in fact, that I'd say it barely qualifies as a webcomic at all and that people might only be referring to it as one because "web-based sequential media" (a much better way of phrasing what Homestuck is without limiting it to things that Homestuck itself is not limited to) is a bit of a mouthful.
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