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Oh, hey, a new thread. Glad I decided to check in before the day of days. Just to weigh in, I hope the flash is indeed animation so I can watch it in the morning before going to work (assuming it's not like 20 minutes long, as well assuming it goes up early 10/25). It's been a really weird two months, but I think having the thread closed was a good idea. Since I don't really follow formspring/tumblr/twitter or really any kind of Homestuck news outside of these threads, what insanity went down during the downtime?
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Couple of quick bits: 1. loving amazing. 2. Dog Tier Jade was pretty badass. 3. Very much saddened by AR and WV. Also Karkat sadly had pretty much no screentime, although him pointing Terezi in the right direction was great. 4. I'll have to rewatch it, but the first time through I did not get any sort of feeling that Aradia (or the Derse dreamers) were actually LE agents. Aradia was probably just happy to see the humans in person at last. She didn't even want Rose to go through with the plan at first, and last time we saw her she was harping on how she had to help them out. Sure you can handwave away a lot of her comments throughout the story as "Sure, that's just what a double agent would say at that time", but I don't buy it. E: 5. Do we still not know how PM was exiled??? Wanted to play it safe until a mod steps in to say "yes stop tagging spoilers you dorks."
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Oct 25, 2011 13:28
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Walliard posted:If J has my name I will be so disproportionately happy.
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Oct 25, 2011 13:49
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Walliard posted:It uses the track title metadata (with special cases for Frost and Light), so it should work if that was preserved between conversions. Wonder what Void and Hope will be.
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Oct 25, 2011 14:00
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Ominous Jazz posted:Does Dave going god mean that he also merged with Dave Sprite? Because we don't see the change we do with Jade.
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Oct 25, 2011 14:59
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Dolash posted:Still don't understand why Bec Noir exiled himself, don't know why he knew that'd take him to earth, don't know why he killed all the exiles (well okay besides he likes killing folks), don't know why he knew which device would take him to the troll session, don't know why he used it to go to the troll session and destroy everything there. Forer posted:So wait. Dog tier shrank the Lohac and brought it along through the fourth wall... The thing that contains the mechanism for resetting the universe and is either active or about to activate or something
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Oct 25, 2011 15:12
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I am a little disappointed we didn't get to see the battle between DD and Dave/Rose.Chunky12345 posted:So why didn't Dave become a bird? Is it something weird with how Derse God Tier works?
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Oct 25, 2011 15:49
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The "sprite edit" Aradia received is just the same one was before, but with her eyes open: http://i.imgur.com/ISNkz.jpg My guess being that Hussie realized she would look silly in that scene with her eyes closed (Sollux got the same treatment).
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Oct 25, 2011 23:34
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Thundarr posted:At the end of the Doc Scratch interlude, we learn that Aradia (or possibly her ancestor) is Lord English's Handmaid and herald. Now that the sequence of events needed to summon LE are presumably complete, the kids and trolls are threats to be eliminated! "Anyway, the last of the twelve ancestors arrived a bit late. In fact, she would cross through her portal six centuries after the descendants had come and gone. There weren't many left to look after her, so she ended up in foster care."
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Oct 25, 2011 23:43
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Lord of Laughton posted:Aradia is the Handmaid. Just.. younger.
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Oct 26, 2011 01:41
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Slime posted:Ok, so it's being speculated that Aradia looks smug because the Green Sun was successfully created and/or Dave and Rose are on the side of English for no reason.
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Oct 26, 2011 02:39
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Thundarr posted:Honestly I never even noticed the supposedly smug smile when I first watched it. I'm just presuming Aradia is going to have a heel turn because of the whole Handmaid thing, which wasn't introduced for no reason at all. Also since the Aradia chilling out by the Green Sun has basically been under Lord English's control for the entire lifetime of the troll universe at this point, it seems pretty unlikely that she'll suddenly say "Psyche! I was just playing possum for all this time!" The Handmaid stuff was seemingly thrown in to tie up the loose ends with the ancestors.
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Oct 26, 2011 02:50
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I really like the notion that it's not that the green sun's creation was the beacon for the trolls, it's that it took a long time for the light to penetrate all the way through the outer ring to reach them. Surprisingly logical.yellowyams posted:So since the green sun wasn't destroyed does that mean Doc Scratch is still alive? Or was he killed when the universe died?
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Oct 26, 2011 11:45
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Surprisingly, the scratch itself got very little screentime in the flash. Almost felt incidental to everything else. Ideally it should reset the universe and spawn a new Sburb session, but how can that really happen with Bilious Slick presumably dead? Will the completion of the scratch after Jade/John and the planets left simply reset that particular incipisphere? Meaning we'd have a Sburb session with no corresponding universe? Or is Bilious Slick still partially alive, and much of the coming drama will be winning before he dies for good?
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Oct 26, 2011 17:35
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creationist believer posted:It feels like there's too many clues toward J. being post-scratch Harley. It's either not going to be him or it's going to be him in a way we don't expect. My thought was that maybe the Grandpa Harley we see wandering around the Medium was actually an adult J. who found a way back into the pre-Scratch universe, not this universe's Harley. Except that contradicts a lot of things like all the Giclops and Basilisk trophies he has. I've more or less given up trying to figure out how Grandpa Harley got into the medium in the first place. Presumably he exited out through a portal, but how he got there in the first place was probably just shenanigans. Probably going to have to file PM's exile under that as well. E: Jack Noir is technically an exile. I find that kind of funny for some reason.
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Oct 27, 2011 14:45
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It's possible that killing Aradia (and maiming Vriska, paralyzing Tavros, and blinding Terezi) also facilitated in some way the mind control/manipulation shenanigans that went on when those characters wrote parts of Scratch's code into their flarp books.
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Oct 27, 2011 21:15
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I went from start to current (it was right after God Tier Aradia was having that big dream bubble exposition about Doc Scratch's origins) in about 2 weeks and that was pretty hard. 5 days? Sheesh.
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Oct 30, 2011 18:15
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It's probably the most inconsequential thing but I'm still dying to know how PM was exiled.
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Oct 30, 2011 20:02
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Wait, is the question why didn't Aradia go straight into a dreambubble after she died for the first time? In addition to being A Special Case from the get go, couldn't it also just be because she hadn't entered the game yet? The Aradiabots, like the Beta Daves, have dreambubbles after all.
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Oct 30, 2011 21:59
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Eiba posted:Well, we know this isn't the case. The issue here is that you're thinking with straightforward narrative time, when it's a good deal more complex than that. The nature/status of the kids' Bilious Slick after the scratch is probably what I am most interested in at the moment.
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Oct 31, 2011 12:32
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That is the most logical view of the events and how they relate to each other, but I guess I just really feel the need to see it visually confirmed in the comic itself. That is, that the the scratch has literally revived Bilious Slick. That he was killed but that only affected the universe's timeline at the very end is probably a given, but what the scratch has explicitly done with regards to Bilious Slick's current life/death status I'm not sure is completely clear just yet. But I do think what you have said is the correct interpretation of the events. I'm also really curious how there might have been some potential interference from the post-scratch universe into the pre-scratch universe, I don't think the mechanics of such a phenomenon have been explored yet. I'm talking about things like Jade's penpal mostly, assuming it is Grandpa Harley. I guess we also need to see how the broken Deringer, Echidna's Quills, Ahab's Crosshairs, and Zillyhoo wind up in J's hands as well.
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Oct 31, 2011 19:52
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Zoolooman posted:You're not thinking about this given the tools at hand. It's the same reason why if the new universe has new iterations of the kids, it will not affect the kids who were able to escape the scratch.
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Oct 31, 2011 20:46
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Zoolooman posted:I'm suggesting that there's nothing yet in the story to say that Jack will be destroying that post-scratch universe either. 1). The post-scratch universe is still dead, but it dies at the same point of time (i.e. 413 years after the end of the world). There is thus still going to be a new Sburb session spawned from it. 2). The scratch has reset Bilious Slick and thus revived him, but Jack could destroy him again if PM does not stop him. Jack of course can't not (ugh) exist because of the scratch, because he was outside of its influence just like the kids and trolls were. In fact he escaped from the medium when he noticed the scratch was taking place, as stated by Hussie explicitly.
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Oct 31, 2011 23:28
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It looks like the remains of the destroyed universes are just sort of floating around inside of the green sun itself, from the looks of it.
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Nov 2, 2011 13:50
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Speaking of DMK, if you're disappointed with LE's current design there's always a possibility he has 2-3 more forms!
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Nov 2, 2011 14:34
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In terms of time used, Hivebent only lasted 3 months too. As some who archive binged Homestuck well into Act 5 Part 2, I didn't really have that much of a problem with Hivebent. As an aside, I was just thinking a little bit more about LE and what he means for the comic going forward. Some of this is obvious, but I feel like laying it all out there helps. Basically 100% of what LE has done thus far only affects the Troll universe, correct? "He is already here" has always only applied to the troll universe. That universe had been marked for his arrival by the defect in the pre-scratch version, ultimately causing a post-scratch version of it to have Doc Scratch and thus LE. But beyond the death of that universe, LE can't actually do anything correct? He's free to move throughout time in the universe he is summoned, but he doesn't seem to be able to jump ship and start mucking around with say the furthest ring. What he can do however is get summoned into a new universe. Perhaps this means that the "next universe" is going to be the post-scratch version of the kids' universe. After all it doesn't seem to matter how the universe is destroyed (whether it's by Spades killing Snowman or Jack killing Bilious Slick). Marked for destruction from the get go. What I'm getting at is that rather than fighting LE directly, perhaps the way the characters can combat him is to simply ensure that he can no longer be summoned into new universes. Prevent that defect from ever showing up. Or at least not showing up in the Bilious Slick that Jade had been making, and escape there.
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Nov 6, 2011 15:30
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When Jack first entered the troll session, he threw Cal onto one of the Aradiabots (who then shortcircuited, time traveled back, got hit by a meteor, and was sent to Alternia). E: beaten
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Nov 6, 2011 18:12
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There's also this... http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005381 I dunno, it's always seemed pretty clear to me  You have those two main Aradia conversations, and the two (IIRC) conversations Feferi has with Jade, and that's kind of all you need.
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Nov 6, 2011 22:29
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The simple way I see it, this late in the game it makes no sense to suddenly introduce a bunch of new villains. Handling LE by himself will be hard enough as it is.
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Nov 8, 2011 12:40
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After all the build up LE has received, if you're not going to give him the spotlight now, when are you? Besides, all indications are that it's impossible to face him head on like DMK, and that the only way to "win" is through indirect methods and lots of Weird Time poo poo.
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Nov 8, 2011 16:15
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TG: oh no TG: this conversation just got bumrushed by a mudslide of loving awful
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Nov 9, 2011 18:53
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Yonic Symbolism posted:New antagonists? 
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Nov 9, 2011 21:07
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Dolash posted:What's that Earthbound game everyone references with regards to Homestuck? That one supposedly had an all-powerful god-boss like Lord English, but the god-boss himself was sort of without character, it was more like an elemental force. The last enemy with a real identity, however, was some other kid much like the protagonists (not absolutely sure, haven't played the game) who was trying to side with the monster. That sort of thinking, basically.  You are referring to Giygas and Pokey, respectively. Pokey was actually kind of an antagonist the whole game, and IIRC Giygas was actually a character from Mother 1. The Pokey equivalent here if anything would be Scratch, not one of the kids or trolls.
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Nov 10, 2011 00:22
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The only thing about Cascade that I didn't get the first time was that the tumor created the green sun, which in retrospect is silly because it's fairly obvious. I think that was more due to just the deeply rooted expectations about what the tumor was supposedly supposed to be used for. Hussie's clarifications were neat, but the only thing that he said that I don't think was exceedingly obvious was Jack's motivations. People were asking "well how did he know to go into the frog temple" or whatever which isn't something the flash could reasonably convey as it is, thus Hussie's explanation was helpful. I don't think the actual temporal logistics of where and how he moved around were that vague, however.
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Nov 11, 2011 00:53
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gently caress it, let's re-do Acts 1-4 with the guardians. I'm game.
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Nov 11, 2011 12:48
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I like the nice little touch of having the neighborhood be in full-swing Autumn. So, what four letter J name will Grandpa Harley get? There can't be that many left? Jake? Joel?
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Nov 11, 2011 14:53
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loquacius posted:A couple of questions for the thread:
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Nov 11, 2011 17:01
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Betty Crocker in this session probably did not have to raise Jane and J. in the same manner as before. For one thing, their meteors would have to land much later since they are currently teenagers in 2011 as opposed to elderly. This means the "timeline" or whatever you want to call it for Betty Crocker is completely different this time around; presumably she received John and Jade as kids and they are now elderly instead. Thus, Betty Crocker's actions could be different as well.
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Nov 11, 2011 18:51
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TheRagamuffin posted:The fact that Grandpa is named "English" makes me a little uneasy, though...
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Nov 11, 2011 21:00
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Cheeseball IV posted:The titles are on there too. 
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