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Skepsist posted:If someone knows Andrew, tell him that he can host it on megaupload, or as a torrent. He says he'll do that only as a last resort.
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Oct 25, 2011 06:33
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Not tomorrow! Just put it on a torrent or megaupload and let people get it themselves!
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Oct 25, 2011 06:42
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Oct 25, 2011 07:12
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Holy. loving. poo poo. I cannot wait to see where things go next.
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Oct 25, 2011 07:29
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Factory Factory posted:ACTUAL SPOILER I think that's because she merged with Jadesprite. She's now a God and her alternate deadself and a First Guardian and a dog combined. So basically ACTUAL SPOILERS Jade has now become the most powerful character in the entire series because of what you listed AND her God-Tier powers?
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Oct 25, 2011 07:31
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JT Jag posted:CONTINUATION OF ACTUAL SPOILER Well, that she's her alternate deadself is a given. One of the rules of going god-tier is that it uses up your dreamself if you have one, remember everything we learned from Vriska? To what extent she has retained the First Guardian powers, I don't know, but it probably has some effect. ACTUAL SPOILERS But wouldn't the Green Sun blowing up get rid of her First Guardian powers?
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Oct 25, 2011 07:34
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ACTUAL SPOILERS So now that the universe is scratched, but the Green Sun wasn't blown up, what's going to happen now? Are the God-Tier kids and Trolls going to hijack another session, or is Jade going to do something with the shrunk kid's session? Is Jack still going to be a problem? hell, does Earth's universe still exist? I'm pretty sure Jack managed to destroy it.
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Oct 25, 2011 07:47
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Idunn posted:One thing I still don't get is why killing Snowman is supposed to end the world or something. Is she the trolls' equivalent of Bilious Slick? If that's the case, why? I don't think this has ever been explained. This flash easily REAL SPOILERS made Jade one of my favorite characters. I liked her when she started sassing Karkat, but the badass things she did brought her to a whole new level. Plus, her god-tier outfit looks much better and cooler than her "generic early-teenage girl" look she had before.
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Oct 25, 2011 07:55
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ACTUAL SPOILERSThis flash made me feel bad for Jack. I never thought I'd say that. I hope that he can see God-Tier Jade and be happy to see her alive again after feeling bad about her being dead and it being his fault while in the Time Capsule.
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Oct 25, 2011 08:19
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Cavatica posted:Real Spoilers: Oh I get it. Twice the mass of our universe. That also explains why Aradia was REAL SPOILERS wiling to support the "blow up the Green Sun" plan in the first place. She knew it was all about creating the Green Sun all along. I'm pretty sure her "the master we serve demands it" line refers to Doc Scratch or Lord English. What better way to "serve him" (Scratch/English) than to create the power source for the mechanism that allows English to manipulate universes?
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Oxxidation posted:So let me see if I've got this straight: Jade made a wish upon a star and became the single biggest badass in creation, using her space powers to transport the kids' entire session to the trolls'. This means that their session was Scratched without resetting the kids or their memories, leaving a quartet of God Tiers to maybe finally gently caress up Scratch's plans for good. Right? You're right, but she became God-Tier, not made a wish. dumb brunette posted:Standard rules don't seem to apply to the in-Derse-core questbeds. Aradia's dreamself dying there ressurected her real self in the troll session, and there's no indication that's something that can really happen on a standard quest bed. So would it be possible that the other Trolls could theoretically go God-Tier as well? Remember, Karkat said they were pretty much at the top of their skill ladders when Sgrub ended, so that qualifies them for God-Tier. I know their quest beds are gone thanks to Jack, but I'm sure there's a loophole that could be exploited to bring back some characters or make some of the living Trolls go God-Tier (God-tier Jade and Kanaya  ).
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Colon V posted:You guys do realize that this only leaves one enemy in the entire continuity that can hope to stand up to them, right? At this point, I'm pretty sure it's going to be REAL SPOILERS kids and trolls vs Lord English. I think they aren't going to be happy about being manipulated by Doc Scratch to help Lord English, and with five people at God-Tier (kids + Aradia, and that's not counting the chance that there'll be a way to make the dead trolls go God-Tier), I think they'll have a chance to show Lord English their displeasure at being manipulated.
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Oct 25, 2011 08:41
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A Spider posted:Yep But REAL SPOILERS the troll's quest beds were destroyed when Jack destroyed all of their planets. However, I can see Jade using her space powers to do something like warp the dead trolls to completed Sburb sessions and put them on other session's quest beds that match their titles/roles/classes in Sgrub in order to trick the game into making them go God-Tier.
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Oct 25, 2011 08:47
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SpaceDrake posted:That was possibly the cutest moment of the entire flash. Aradia was a Derse dreamer, not Prospit.
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Oct 25, 2011 08:53
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FutureSushi posted:Uh so real question here Is Aradia evil because she seems awful happy considering everyone else thought they were nerfing that sun???? She does seem to be set up to be a lower-tier villain here, I just wonder when the heck Scratch got to her. Or perhaps it was just all the whisperings of the Handmaid influencing her over time I'm thinking that that Aradia is a double-agent for Lord English as well. Dave's very likely going to have the same time-related powers that she has, so its not like the trolls+kids are going to be out of someone that can manipulate time if Aradia goes rogue.
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Zorak posted:Some speculatory thoughts: REAL SPOILERS I'm pretty sure that something's going to happen with the dead trolls, because Sollux specifically mentioned them when he was with Aradia at the green sun. You don't mention details like that and not do anything with it. My take on English is that he created himself using time loops in the trolls and kid's universes in order to ensure his existance (or at least to be able to manipulate other universes via the First Guardian system), but he's going to use the post-Scratch Earth as a springboard to infiltrate other universes (if the Earth session is completed, he could infiltrate the universe made by it, and so on). Even if the post-Scratch Earth isn't successful, I'm sure he could use their incisphere as a staging ground to infiltrate other incispheres, and the universes they've created along with them. EDIT: The second part doesn't make a lot of sense if Lord English wasn't created by the tumor. Hurrr. closeted republican fucked around with this message at 10:22 on Oct 25, 2011 |
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Ammat The Ankh posted:Okay this should put the "Aradia is evil all along" chat to rest: Well now I feel stupid for guessing that Aradia was evil. 
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Bobulus posted:What I'm curious about, at the moment, is if the new version of the kid universe will be largely similar (with the kids and parents switched), or if, like the Troll universe scratch, it results in a much more bloodthirsty place. The bloodthirsty thing only happened because of Lord English/Doc Scrach's meddling. We don't know if he's managed to meddle with the kid's incisphere/universe before the Scratch, so the only way to tell is if Hussie actually shows us.
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Midnight Raider posted:If Homestuck is a first draft of itself, it makes me curious as to how the novelization is going to be. It'd already be a different experience just from being a wildly different medium, but if Hussie decided to tighten up parts of the story he wasn't happy with.. It could be interesting to see what differs. I'd be interested to see how Hussie would deal with Act 1 when he starts working on the graphic novel version of Homestuck. It's "Problem Sleuth 2" feel is really out of place when compared to the rest of the acts (especially the later ones), and I think it would probably need some reworking in order for it to fit the tone of the later Acts. I can see him getting rid of the non plot-essential stuff (like the cake shenanigans) and trimming it down to the stuff that actually pertains to the rest of the plot and the explanation of things like Grist, along with keeping the Inventory gags. I think it'd flow a lot better that way.
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If there are Trolls in the new universe, they should be nice and peaceful like the pre-Scratch Alternia Trolls just to see Karkat, Terezi, and the rest freak out over how NICE the new trolls are. No Legislators, Subjuggulators, and other violent Alternian groups would have certain characters (Terezi, Gamzee) feel kinda left out from the new Earth, which would be interesting character development for them. I have this image in my head of the "old" Trolls looking at the happy and peaceful new Trolls and seeing that things like the "new" Trolls being pretty and fashionable, kind and free of the blood caste system, which don't fit what they've been told what Trolls are "supposed" to be. Then they look at things like their outfits, their beliefs and their goals and see that they're little more than relics from a time that is gone forever. Even if it wasn't for SBurb causing the destruction of the new world, they'd never fit in with their own people. 
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KoB posted:Have we actually heard from someone who knows what they're talking about that you need Heroes of Time and Space? Its all just conjecture from the kids/trolls right? As long as you have a beat mesa/Forge you should be fine right? Is there anything to say that only Time and Space get those? We only have two examples out of theoretically infinite previous sessions. IIRC Doc Scratch tells Rose that the Beat Mesa appears only in the Hero of Time's land. EDIT: quote:Yes. http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005528
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YggiDee posted:So... Imminent invasion/enslavement of Earth? Hordes of Trolls will attack Earth, and the kids will get out at the last second. Conveniently, the meteors will be striking at the same time, thus killing off the Trolls as well. SBurb will once again ruin the Empress' empire. 
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Cabbit posted:I'm going for the long shot here and betting the inevitable troll takeover is ultimately benevolent. You won't be saying that when panels of the Trolls blowing poo poo up appear. 
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JT Jag posted:Only agents of the two kingdoms are permitted to become exiles, as far as I'm aware. I think the entire plan is that the kids and the surviving trolls were supposed to all enter a single reality together, probably this one. I was thinking more along the lines of "Trolls hijack exile terminals until session is completed, then go into new universe with new+old kids".
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Ice_Mallet posted:I thought KidMom was Equius, because she's presumed to be the Hero of Void. There's a ton of HS/MLP crossover fanart out there already, so making Bro a brony wouldn't make things much worse than the status quo.
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QueerPope posted:Perhaps he was assassinated in his sleep by some agents of Derse? Jack Noir ruining stuff for us once again? It was CD. He finally did something right and didn't get killed right afterwards. 
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tentawesome posted:Well, Vriska says she's pretty sure they were all supposed to kill each other and reach God Tier but Karkat was too good of a leader. I got the impression that players were supposed to reach God Tier by the time they won. I thought the real problem was that they just brute-forced their way through the game instead of actually trying to learn the mechanics and the lessons it was teaching so that more of them would go God-Tier and the like. I'm pretty sure Vriska only went God Tier because she was so much of a powergamer that she had to reach the God Tiers in order to feel like a winner. The others just killed everything that got in their way and didn't give a drat about anything else. I'm pretty sure someone (Doc Scratch? Someone like that) states they just sucked at everything besides killing, not because Karkat was too good of a leader and stopped them from killing each other. closeted republican fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Nov 26, 2011 |
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Brobot ironically bleating like a goat is a callback to Dave's intro pages.
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Zorak posted:I get the feeling Hussie basically just decided he didn't actually want all of the trolls continuing on and is going to now remove even more trolls. Gamzee and Kanaya will kill each other off, leaving us with only the two principal trolls making the journey or something. If he wanted to kill Kanaya off, then why revive her in the first place? Reviving her just so she could help Jade discover the final frog feels like she's being underused. I could see her being used to help get a new Matriorb and set the stage for the post-New Kids planet having trolls on it. I'm not surprised he's dumping Sollux, though.
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Bobulus posted:So here's a weird idea: Wouldn't another issue be that there'd be no Black King to defeat and thus, scepter to destroy? The troll's session and what we know about Sburb seems to show that the Black King being killed and his scepter being destroyed is needed to start the endgame. Without prototyping before entering the game, there'd be no battlefield where Prospit would lose, and thus no Black King with scepter to defeat. If he did exist even without prototying, would he be just the generic unprototyped one we see in [S]WV?: Rise Up or just literally be a chess piece? In that state, would killing him still start the end game, or does he need the scepter to do so? Bringing the kid's Battlefield still has some issues. Since the Black King there was killed by Jack, what would trigger the endgame in their Battlefield? Jack cut the Black King's scepter in half, but that didn't trigger the end-game. Maybe doing something like killing Jack and/or destroying the White King's scepter is needed instead because the game registered Jack as the one that started the Reckoning, and is thus the kid's new target to start the end game.
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Welp, it looks like the Black Queen has been replaced with the Troll Empress. And I thought the original kid's session was hosed up. And CD's lines about the new queen's "hat" are adorable.
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Snollygoster posted:As much as people slag on the trolls and as much as Hivebent jarred some people out of the story, the trolls are fandom Miracle-Gro. It's diabolical. The trolls all have Zodiac symbols, and... gosh, I have a Zodiac sign too! THIS TROLL IT WAS MEANT FOR ME, DRR DRRRR DDDDRRRR. And there's a dozen of the fuckers so you're guaranteed to resonate with at least one of their broad archetypes. Then you've got teens on their Tumblrs and their Glees or whatever, looking for some kind of role model or appropriate fandom in which to belong. The trolls also got a lot of people into the story in the first place. I'm sure I'm not the only one who saw people on forums with trolls like Terezi and Vriska as their avatars and wondered what was up with the funny-looking demon kids. quote:Man, I cannot wait for the new kids to meet the trolls, just to see drunkMom try to type their names. drunkMom and Karkat meeting will be classic. Guy with an extremely short fuse and a drunk teen that doesn't give a poo poo if she's pissing people off meeting will own.
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Honestly, I hope this racism thing make some people stop thinking that Hussie is an infallible god. The worship he gets is pretty creepy, and people act like he's some sort of perfect writer and story teller. He's not, and he's made plenty of mistakes in the past (like relying on user commands for too long in Homestuck, the sheer amount of trolls he unleashed on us at once that really didn't do a lot for the plot and the like, the troll shipping stuff, the exiles being very underused in the plot before Act 5 Part 2, the White King could've been killed off much earlier instead of the song and dance with him being exiled, Nannasprite suggesting that there was a previous session with her in it when UU confirmed that there wasn't). I'm hoping that this racism thing will make at least one person look back and say "You know, Hussie's just some kinda-hipster dude that likes making mind-screw plots without completely plotting them out from the start" instead of "OMG THE PERFECT COMIC MAKER EVARRRR". That's not to say I don't love Homestuck's characters, plot and the like; it's just that I don't pretend it's perfect like I've seen some fans suggest.
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tinaun posted:This whole thing really emphasized, to me, just how much of a rough draft Homestuck is. I'd love to see the Homestuck books reflect a "revised" version that smooths out the story a bit by getting rid of things like WV's way too long adventures in the Sky Base, adds a little more depth and characteristics to some of the trolls (like make pre-robot Aradia an actual character instead of a living plot device), add some more foreshadowing to things like why Jade constantly falls asleep instead of it being revealed via a simple sentence buried in a long chatlog stating "lol it wuz actually vriska testing her skillz out", then not mentioning it again and tying the Intermission more to to the Troll's session via a few references to it, which would help let people know it is significant to the plot instead of seeming like it's Problem Sleuth 1.5 in the middle of another story.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:I agree with everything here except the bit about the MC intermission. I thought the twist at the end that the whole thing was actually relevant to the story of Homestuck to be brilliant. I'm thinking more about the intro and pre-Snowman sequences, where there seem to be almost zero relevance to the story as a whole at first. I think people would be more eager to read through it the first time if it was evident that it tied into the greater story from the very start. I'm sure I'm not the only archive reader who thought it was a complete slog and skimmed through it as fast as possible at first, partially because it didn't seem to have any relevance to the adventures John and co. were going through or the game universe they were in. It'd probably dampen the effect of the ending, but I'd rather have a story that ties into everything from the start instead of a last-minute "holy poo poo" moment after going through an overly-confusing and boring story that popped out of nowhere.
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Midnight Raider posted:I actually see a bit of the opposite of this sometimes, with surprising frequency. I hear some people who have opinions about the comic, and like to give them more weight by claiming that their issues were "Because Hussie isn't a perfect writer and makes mistakes" rather than "Something happened that I just didn't like". My post was addressed more to the Tumblr and MSPaint Adventures forum crowd, who seem to think of Hussie as perfect, tend to stalk him and are creepily obsessed with photoshopping his in-comic sprite everywhere. Around here, yeah, we know he's not perfect, but this forum's a bit more rational about Homestuck than your average Tumblr Homestuck fan.
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WINNERSH TRIANGLE posted:Hamiltonian Bicycle hits it on the head, I think; like a lot of these things, the original position isn't too bad; no-one's really made a massive issue of it before. But it's Hussie's reaction to it, and his berserk 'no, have you perhaps consider that it is you who is the racist one' reaction (while leaving his girlfriend to spend hours and hours being conciliatory and understanding for him, nice one Andy If the "Minority Perspectives" thread in Games has taught me anything, overanaylzing some semi-hipster's views on race is more goony these days. You mean a guy that writes a webcomic where a character is obsessed with old, 90s era things that white people like (or like making fun of) like mediocre Hollywood movies, Gushers and has a friend who's primary joke is to make lovely, white-sounding raps doesn't have the best nor progressive views on race? What a surprise!  I still don't get why he had to post that response in the first place tho. As others have said, discussing race is pretty much walking on eggshells. Even when he's doing his "hur hur hur I am the smartest and most arrogant man ever" Tumblr/Formspring persona, he should know that there are limits as to what to discuss. The internet is a lot more sensitive about things like race than it has even a few years ago, and responding to a troll post about racism with a mixture of arrogance and "ur the real racist!!!!", along with a dash of ignorance about race, is a big no-no these days. It might've been acceptable or funny a few years back, but today? Hell no. closeted republican fucked around with this message at 11:51 on Jan 17, 2012 |
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