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Cabbit posted:Presumably for the same reason he doesn't convert it, throw it up on Youtube, and embed it: an entirely illogical bout of artistic fiat about the way in which his material is presented that seems monumental to him but is, in reality, insignificant at best. The difference between a Flash file and a recording of that Flash file seems insignificant. I presume he doesn't want it as a video because there's some level of interactive components to it. He said it's a matter of format incompatibility.
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Wrist Watch posted:There's also this which also links back to the MSPA homepage: That ad is making fun of the lovely porn ads that pop up on MSPA occasionally. It's mildly amusing.
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I presume part of the reason he wants it on his site is because, well, the ad revenue off this one flash will probably pay off the costs for the site for quite awhile. Which is less a "greed" thing and more a matter of practicality.
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YggiDee posted:I don't HAVE another computer to try this on fuuuuck Pretty sure that's more that the flash video was corrupted by the DL crashing  The entire site is gone now.
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Talorat posted:Zorak can the people who got the flash to download rehost it or would that be I am pretty sure absolutely no one got into or saw anything of the full flash before Newgrounds melted down.
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SpaceDrake posted:ACTUAL SPOILERS: Because it was necessary. Remember that everything occurs as it is temporally required. And they died on their dream beds when the green sun ignited: apparently you don't need your dream selves alives for it to count, though Jade's was semi-alive, allowing hers to be consumed. And laffo at everyone being owned by Lord English + Doc Scratch The Tumor created the Green Sun by blowing up both the Troll and the Human's universes. Or consuming their destruction. As I've been saying for years: all of existence exists to coordiante the arrival of the Lord English, he is the Bad Man. The kid's session, as well as the manipulations of everyone in both sessions, exist solely to propogate Lord English. The destruction of the two universes resulted in his summoning, as well as the genesis of the Green Sun.
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Some speculatory thoughts: 1. The chain of Lord English propagation is totally unbroken. We are seeing the point of his genesis [speculatedly] (through the creation of the Green Sun), but while it consumed both the troll and the kid's universe, the kid's universe was consumed just as the scratch was happening: in other words, a new universe would be generated in its place anyway, presumably including the Lord English summoning mechanism that would, with that scratch-created universe success, result in the creation of yet another universe with the summoning mechanism ad infinitum. 2. An interesting thing to note though that the Green Sun being created at *this point* doesn't actually matter, since it is located in a timeless space connected to all sessions: while it need be created, the specific chain of the cycle doesn't matter, though it is temporally inevitable. 3. This would normally mean that, given that we are probably seeing the point that Lord English is created, the kids are the "start of the chain"; given that the troll's session created the kids session, and that this even essentially happened "between" the two, that would mean that it could potentially be the end of the chain: presuming Lord English doesn't just use his mastery of time and space to just appear in any universe he's been "summoned" into via in the chain whenever he wants to, and that it's a simple circular chain that doesn't offshoot (it could be an exponentially expanding growth web of universes spiraling off and creating secondary universes containing summoning mechanisms for all we know). But since Jade has quite a bit of power now, plus all the kids + trolls are getting together, it's possible they could could find/orchestrate (given temporal inevitability, it's the same thing) his eventual demise at the "end" of the chain. Further, since Jade's frog is fine, it's possible they could just generate a new universe chain offshoot that lacks the mechanism entirely, what since presumably the post-scratch Earth will be the one containing the mechanism (the next piece in the chain) rather than Jade's universe that would have otherwise "died" in the Scratch. 4. Given what we're seeing with quest beds, and the fact that all the troll corpses are heading towards the Green Sun now, it's entirely possible all the trolls could be resurrected in the God Tier if Hussie wanted to, as we understand it right now. Except maybe Vriska, since she already blew her chance at second life. WHOOPS.
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SpaceDrake posted:Also Zorak, did you forget to spoiler tag a lot of that or is that a sign that we should gently caress off with spoiler tags about content in the new flash I think it's safe to say at this point that anyone reading the thread has seen the flash and can deal with it.
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creationist believer posted:Hussie did say a while back that he'd show what the design for God Tiers that don't show up in the actual comic would look like. Putting them in the store is apparently how he's going to show them. It's impossible to know if that's a ruse or not though. It's almost as if it's ultimately impossible to use the store and its contents to predict the comic due to Hussie being involved. Almost as if.
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Rasamune posted:Then I remembered... Prospit always loses to Derse. I dunno, PM is pretty loving badass. Remember that she managed to wreck Hegemonic Brute's poo poo, just using that diddly sword Jack hands out to everybody. On the other hand, Jack is basically the best killing machine Derse has without the Ring, so...
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Waterhaul posted:Now that there's been an update to the webcomic it's a great time for everyone to get a refresher on the THE RULES. Reminder folks.
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Oxygen Deficiency posted:Why are the exiles blowing up the labs?(this part of the flash in particular confused the hell out of me) Because the White Queen wanted them to do it, in order to stop stuff like what Jack ended up doing from happening. And then it happened.
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KoB posted:Yeah, the Green Sun is outside space/time. It always existed(and didnt exist), and simply needed a point of creation. It doesnt matter when that is. Exactly. And all it takes is a couple semi-failed sessions to pull it off. By using some scratches executed in certain ways, it's possible for Lord English/ his servants to orchestrate the specific mechanisms that are necessary for his existence while still maintaining the propagation of the summoning code along the main-line universes. While the Scratch resets the session/ universe it occurs on, it doesn't make it so the events that occurred never happened; it's just that they're wiped clean and it's all started from page one again. So in other words, it's possible for failed sessions to accomplish things necessary for Lord English's system (such as generating the Green Sun here) and then be wiped clean and made successful sessions afterwards that instead succeed and summon him while creating a new universe for him to appear in. And given that the sessions are probably all locked in a temporal loop of inevitability, it's highly likely that this has happened countless of sessions in both directions of the chain. There not necessarily be a beginning and end. If the sessions loop into each other, it's highly likely that Lord English has a functionally "infinite" existence, capable of moving between sessions (and as we know, between time) at his will. Of course, nothing says that the kids couldn't make their own off-shoot loop outside the one Lord English has. Instead of the Ouroborus of sessions, they could make a splinter that propagates without him. Assuming that that sort of thing doesn't already exist.
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Dr Strangepants posted:Doesn't the green sun only need to be created once though, since in Paradox space it will be able to affect all session ever? Yes, hence why I said "such as". It's possible that there's lots of pre-Scratch sessions where other mechanics are "developed" for their own various reasons, then the developing universe is reset via Scratch so it can move back to the "standard" purpose (propagation).
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Yeah, moirail is a a two way street. One is meant to calm the other member, but the act of doing so is supposed to be a benefit to the other as well.
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It wouldn't surprise me if it comes down to Karkat in the God-Tier being the only way for Vriska to come back to life. His powers seem primarily about calming and leading people, but it wouldn't surprise me if in the God Tier he basically fulfills the Christ metaphor and brings Vriska back to life as everyone is crying at the glory of their savior, Jegus the Karkat e: or everyone else for that matter, though I assume there's a possible shennanigan that would allow them to come back in the God Tier. Zorak fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Oct 30, 2011 |
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Level Slide posted:Considering all the Eldritch (for lack of a better adjective) stuff that happened during the later parts of Act 5, I think I'm supposed to understand nothing. Well, I understand a few things, just not everything. There actually isn't that much that you can't/ shouldn't know at this point in the story. The remaining mysteries are mostly "What now?" and "LORD ENGLISH". e: also Jade's penpal.
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Kit Walker posted:And Jaspers and Grandpa Harley. Grandpa Harley had an alien batterwitch/ Servant of Lord English for a God Mother, him getting technology enough to go to Skaia wouldn't be too hard.
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RickoniX posted:(the ring) If by which you mean that it was going to get in PM's hands eventually, I think that's not really foreshadowing.
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YggiDee posted:There's a universe in the other eye, too. Those are galaxies, not universes. Our universe is estimated to have 170 billion galaxies. (That's a lot of galaxies). Gabriel Pope posted:I admit I'm not entirely sure what an entire universe looks like It looks like a frog dunkass.
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While we wait on the next act for the next week or so, and seeing as how as a mod I'm allowed to twist the rules to post this, you ought to take this chance to read the other very popular and exceedingly well done science-fantasy story-based webcomic on our fine little internet: Gunnerkrigg Court. It is very very good and was won a bunch of awards and everything. Even popular gothic-fantasy-England novelist Neil Gaiman thinks you should be reading Gunnerkrigg Court. Gunnerkrigg Court is about the eponymous Court, a research institution slash boarding school located somewhere in the United Kingdom. More specifically it follows Antimony Carver, a girl who has an excessively large number of supernatural things happen to her, and Katerina Donlan, Lover of Double Physics, as they explore the mysteries surrounding the Court (both figuratively and literally). It involves robots, gods, magic, science, more robots, mythological creatures, lots of weirdness, and robots. It may or may not also be about a pigeon with the shiniest of neck feathers and his adventures in romance and being a human businessman. It's certainly a very different sort of story comic from Homestuck/ MS Paint Adventures (you won't see any coolkids pesterchum iceburning trolls with their coolkiditude or anything, though you will see Laser Cows owning coolkids with their razor wit), but it's as good in its approach to the story telling medium as Homestuck is to its own. It tends to be very relaxed but very even with its pacing and story, and it seems like Tom is very precise and careful with how fast you learn things about the world and characters. It is also very funny and cute and awesome, much like Homestuck! The arts start a lil rough early on, but Tom really evolves his style over it to really awesome stylistic directions. He's particularly good at creatures and monsters:  Later you will see Lindsey here involved in a horrible psychic make out session. Some things are the same, I suppose. Read this comic. (Don't use this as an excuse to post other comics for people to read, this is me abusing power. To your benefit!)
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Fagtastic posted:I've followed Gunnerkrigg court almost from the start and it's a good thing for sure. That's generally because Hussie uses very deliberately simplified art and sprites to get things done quick. As he said in the recent EoA overview, he personally goes for speed over quality, and if he were solely doing the EoA alone he'd have cheated a lot more on everything and it wouldn't have looked the same. No one is better at using such shortcuts than Hussie, though. Zorak fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Nov 1, 2011 |
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Fagtastic posted:But you still gotta admit it's pretty slow paced. We're getting drip-fed plot at the tiniest intermittent trickle. Except the plot is largely following the lives of the characters involved. While it's still very much about learning about the world around them, there isn't no crisis imminently going on on that the pacing detracts from. We're following the characters involved as we learn more about them and they do their thing. Hell, if we were to go off the last "chapter" in terms of "REVELATIONS", we basically learned a ton about every character in the main character's "class" that matters, as well about Bud. Lots of character drama happened. We also learned about the world through it at the same time, which is largely the point. Slowly we learn more about the world of the Court through all these interactions. There's more to a conventional plot than just "things that happen to people and the audience". Otherwise something such as "character dramas" wouldn't exist. And not all character dramas are soaps. Still, I was just putting it out here. This thread shouldn't really become Gunnerkrigg discussion! If people are curious about it, there's the link, if not their loss!
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Dr Christmas posted:Since we already have a character who can instantly travel through space, can react nearly instantly, and destroy universes with a gesture, I wonder how Hussie will establish Lord English as the big threat? I hope it'll be better than a DBZ-style "Everyone moves clouds and shreds mountains when they power up, but when this guy does it, they act concerned." Lord English exists in a self-fulfilling circle. He cannot be "beaten" because he's a timeless universe hopping demon. He's BEEN there. He'll BE there. You know how a lot of weird stuff happens inevitably because it has to happen that way for the alpha timeline to continue? Lord English's will essentially is the Alpha Timeline as far as we can tell right now. That's kind of a big deal. You don't have to be "Goku" or whatever to be literally invincible because causality demands it (because he demands causality to be that way?) It's the same way that the God Tiers can't be beat unless they do something Heroic but Successful/ Nefarious. The alpha timeline won't allow it, so all "lethal" blows will end up missing or random things will happen that will cause him to survive. All the bullets fired at him will miss, Jack will have a heartattack if he attacks him, whatever. It's like "Final Destination" except in reverse, and it's been written in the very essence of the universe. Zorak fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Nov 2, 2011 |
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Clean Your Teeth posted:Am I remembering wrong, or does Skaia just ressurect killed god tiers (unless the death is heroic / just), not prevent / alter any events that would lead to them being killed / harmed? It's more that they're incapable of dying. Clearly they are invincible to a certain degree physically, but at the same time they are invincible in a temporal sense: they're not destined to die yet (it not being neither a heroes nor villain's death), ergo any injuries will either turn out to be non-lethal or the ones that can be magically healed. It's not that Skaia itself is powering the God Tiers, what since there's been a lot of Skaia exploding lately. Clean Your Teeth posted:e: well, i guess they wouldn't stay dead unless they fell into the heoirc / just category, but either way it doesn't seem like the alpha timeline is doing anything in particular to stop those types of deaths happening (see: Vriska) It was a just death, and it was a death that was bound to happen. We saw the offshoot timeline that happened when Vriska wasn't killed: everyone else died, which would have prevented the Alpha timeline events from happening as they should have. So it essentially "granted" Terezi the knowledge she needed, calling her into action and stabbing Vriska. Vriska died because 1. She was "villainous" and 2. The Alpha timeline required it. You could argue that #2 results in #1, since any actions not following #2 get thrown away anyway. Jack could never get the God Tiers in a situation where he'd kill them unless the act of doing so would be giving them a heroic or villainous death, no matter how many Red Miles he sent out. He theoretically could vaporize them, but either it wouldn't work or their mystical bullshit would let them recover that time. The big question is, what defines heroic, what defines villain? Is it the actors, the general view, or is it the alpha timeline itself? Is Lord English treated as an absolute good by the timeline, ergo any attempts against him would be villainy anyway? 
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Gabriel Pope posted:What? God Tier John totally died and the universe brought him back from the dead with magical glowy fireworks and everything. You don't seem to understand that these are the same thing. A "temporally defined "YOU CAN'T DIE"" can include "he's now also magical wolverine" when you're not dying permanently either way. Both cases, as you yourself said, involve the universe concocting means to keep an individual in existence. Whether it's using magical God-Tier mechanics or "chance" occurences (chance doesn't exist, remember? That's a thing that didn't stop happening!) ultimately doesn't make any difference, since it's all a matter of "Alpha timeline says this is what happens". Whether the bullet misses or the wound is healed via an established mechanic doesn't matter, since ultimately it's the Alpha timeline just going with whatever works at the given moment. Before John had the God Tier, and he was destined to be the God Tier, nothing lethal happened to him not because he was lucky, but because he had to have nothing lethal happen to him. The circumstances were avoided or he got helped out or potentially bad situations were averted by "chance". The only benefit of God Tier in the sense of the Alpha timeline is that you can no longer get a pointless death, and you're able to do/ accomplish things that fulfill needs the timeline requires. But the question is, who gets to decide on the point made? Zorak fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Nov 2, 2011 |
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Factory Factory posted:One thing I've been wondering is, why the yellow yard? Hussie explained this on his Tumblr. quote:The 4th Wall It's commentary about how much space an author should share with his work (very little). Beyond that, it's just a mechanic for how Jade traveled between two different universes: through one 4th wall and out another.
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Factory Factory posted:The commentary is the meta-narrative significance, though. I want to know what the in-story significance will be. The second wall is into the post-Scratch version of their own universe/ session. It was pre-established by Karkat that this was "the plan". The Trolls get out, John and Jade get into the new post-Scratch world, and "figure out a way" for the folks at the Green Sun to get over and get Jade's frog going so they can go live the rest of their lives. Thing is, given how paradox space works: the new world has always existed, just totally divorced from the time and space the failed session/ world (the kid's) existed in. Hence why the window is there: Hussie as the author can look into both the pre-Scratch and post-Scratch world because he's... the guy who makes it. Beyond that, there doesn't need to be any significance. Anymore than the Wolf Head. The yellow yard is just a convenient device that was foreshadowed and allowed people to question how much author insertion Hussie will actually do in the work, which came up waaay back with his asides. Basically: not very much, beyond that Doc Scratch stuff that didn't really matter that much.
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Cyrai posted:Someone had previously mentioned possible foreshadowing on Jade becoming a dog, but I found a page that hints at it even more strongly Her becoming a dog is a joke on how she's basically a furry. That's the joke. It's not foreshadowing: it's a humorous thing that Hussie made happen because it is funny. You're arguing that "a joke happening" and a character trait being called back to in a future joke on it is foreshadowing, which is dumb. KoB posted:Friend-God Good God, Best Friend. e: the God Tiers all come to reside on "Mount Brolympus" and hug bumpeth eternally and verily with their chosen people. And it is Good. Zorak fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Nov 3, 2011 |
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It doesn't need to be coded by anyway. The code can simply -exist-, and be leaked to various timelines by manipulation/ meteor drops from Skaia. That's the thing: if you have a loop that sustains itself by giving the technology to people that results in them creating the system that gives them the technology in the first place, no one has to create the technology at all. It simply always exists. Trollian/ Pesterchum are probably clients adapted from Skaian tech in some way parallel to each other.
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Arrhythmia posted:I don't really think that dream-bubbles are all that complicated. Their major things are basically Yep! That's all that's to it. The dead in it include dead alternate selves as well, including selves from other timelines that come into the alpha and are killed. Presumably there's like 500 different Aradias all in Dream Bubbles.
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Dolash posted:Now here's a neat little wrinkle: Beta-John. No. Beta John and all the Robo Aradias all died in "our" incipisphere. The other beta trolls and alternates died in beta universes. So they're still in beta dream bubbles in the beta dead end universe. YEP. Also I think the people who complain about certain arcs the most are the ones who forget that this is first and foremost a humor comic, even if it has serious bits and has a story to tell. Going on about pointless "funny" chat logs and character interactions and the like is sort of missing the point when that's kind of the point of the comic. Zorak fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Nov 7, 2011 |
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I have to wonder how Hussie is going to pace Act 6 with this "new world stuff" that won't make it tiring since we've gone through this thing like twice now basically. It's neat in the implications and where he can go with it, but the directions will ultimately be tempered one way or another by the need to keep it moving with some level of alacrity lest the whole crew ends up off screen for like six months again.
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Cheeseball IV posted:They aren't genderswapped they're guardianswapped. Yup. Presumably they will be switching around their own guardians a fair bit. I suspect we'll see the kids as some of their guardians bar one, who will be inevitably dead already (guessing John). Though maybe not!
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Supercar Gautier posted:I just noticed the phrase "CHERISHED MULTIGLOBAL EMPIRE". I wonder what prompted her not doing so in the previous session? She supposedly died sometime in the past, but we never did learn how. It's a bit strange, given that she's purportedly immortal at that point.
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Supercar Gautier posted:I'm getting the vibe that these four might all be groomed by villainous characters. Jane by the Empress, Jake by LE, and Bro by Cal (if you count Cal as sentient and villainous). Wouldn't be surprised if Mom is a Doc Scratch prisoner. That's my impression as well. All the kids in this world are non-existent, and all the players of the session that replace them are their guardians, now older and also raised by the masters of the system they'll be participating in basically.
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Pastrymancy posted:I'm dense, because the first time around I didn't catch that MUSTACHIOED FUNNYMEN describes grandpa and GALS OF CERULEAN COMPLEXION fits Nannasprite's description Well the Gals of Cerulean Complexion also describes a thing Grandpa Harley had going on as well. We are not sure what the deal with that is.
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Well Manicured Man posted:Does this mean the kids from the old universe are doomed, like all those non-alpha timeline Daves? No, because this is still part of the same timeline as before. It's not that the alpha timeline actions never occurred and all our protagonists became betas; it's just that the universe in the alpha timeline was reset. It's not that the timeline reset, it's that the conditions in that timeline were totally reset instead. Look at it as them totally resetting the machinery of the universe from square one. The old "software" run before still happened, it's just been totally wiped clean by the reset. So since the kids escaped their scratching session, they are all still in existence, still alpha. But there are "clones" of them as it were in the New Earth. Not paradox clones, not causal clones, not even cross-universe clones, just clones.
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