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Join us on IRC! #sa-mvc3 - Official MvC hype zone! #goonsgarden - Other fighting game stuff!  Welcome to the Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 thread. The previous thread's multi-part OP focused on establishing the basics of Marvel vs. Capcom for new players. We don't feel like saying all that poo poo again, so this one will be more geared toward what's new and different about the latest version. The old OPs will be linked for posterity at the end of the thread. Let's start with a little Q&A, shall we?  Q. Wait, didn't this game just loving come out a few months ago? A. That was vanilla MvC3. The Capcom line is that some of UMvC3's content was supposedly planned as DLC, but then Japan got hit by a volcano or whatever and the development schedule was disrupted. At a certain point it just made more sense to go full-steam-ahead on the MvC3 followup and package the content together rather than releasing scraps of DLC months down the line. - or - A. Capcom are a bunch of greedy assholes who just want to gently caress your mouth and steal all of your money by repackaging the same game with a few bells and whistles and selling it back to you. This is the answer for you if you would prefer to pay $5/character for DLC (x 12 new characters) and however much more for new stages, modes, online play options, and engine changes (all of which can't feasibly be done via DLC) instead of $40 for a new game. On a side note, it has been nine months since the release of vanilla MvC3. For reference, Street Fighter II: Hyper Fighting came out eight months after SFII: Champion Edition. Super Street Fighter II was out nine months after that, and Super Turbo was out five months after that. It's not exactly a new precedent for Capcom to release an update within a year of a previous title, so please don't use this thread to bitch about it. Q. Okay, so what's new and different about "Ultimate"? A. As suggested above, there are a dozen new characters, some new stages, better online options (they finally added Spectator mode to online matches), and a huge list of balance and system changes that are detailed below. If you hated MvC3, it's not like this is a completely different game, but if you enjoyed it, there is lots to come back to. Q. I'm interested. When is the game out and where should I buy it? A. PS3/360 NA November 15, 2011  JP November 17, 2011 EU November 18, 2011 PlayStation Vita NA February 22, 2012 JP December 17, 2011 EU TBA 2012 As for where to buy it, the only preorder incentives are different sets of alternate outfits for your characters (which will inevitably be available via DLC). They are:  Q. Why isn't [Mega-Man/Gene/Gambit/Master Chief/ALF] in this game? A. Because gently caress you, that's why. Seriously though, character selection is the result of reconciling what makes sense from the perspectives of marketing, gameplay, and the design team's preferences. Generally speaking, Marvel wants to include characters who have major parts in upcoming movies or comic series, since it's a great opportunity to cross-promote. Similarly, Capcom wants to include characters from staple franchises or those with recent or upcoming games, since it's a good chance to maintain players' consciousness of those characters. And of course, the design team wants to include characters who will be fun to play or who have the potential for interesting and unique gameplay mechanics. If your favorite character isn't in the game, it's because A. no one gives a poo poo about them, B. they wouldn't bring a playstyle that isn't already well-represented by other characters, or C. Capcom's limited development time meant that they just had to make some tough choices about who to cut, even if they might have turned out to be really fun additions to the cast. Q. Fine. So who are the new characters? A. Glad you asked!  by Niddhogg (some contributions by ShadowNinja64 and Brosnan).  Doctor Strange By The Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth! When I heard that two of my greatest foes were running loose in this game, I knew it was time to put on my leopard skin gloves and leave the Sanctum Sanctorum! Like my mortal enemy Dormammu, I have a wide array of spells to keep my opponents at a safe distance as well as create chaos and confusion. The Sorcerer Supreme is the perfect choice for a thoughtful player.  Firebrand Graah Graahh Grah! Squak squak Grahk!! Grrrraaaahhhhhkkkkkk Squak!!! Translation: Hello Humans! Do you like my dance? I call it the “Gargoyle Shimmy!” Anyway, my name’s Firebrand, straight from demon village, and I’m here to harass and annoy everyone. I’ve got a lot of moves that put me in the sky and let me dash around the air. I can vomit fireballs, drag foes across the ground, and even call my buddy for some help! They won’t even know what hit them! Grak!!! Translation: Swag!  Ghost Rider Hey, you! Yeah, you, The Reader. You’re going to hell. Don’t act stupid, you KNOW why. If you want a way out of your damned fate, you’d better help me smash the evil running rampant in this god forsaken game. I prefer to let my chain do my fighting for me, so I can keep the sinful scum at a distance. If they ever sneak their way in close I can summon the fires of hell to send them away. For a last resort I can depend on my bike to plow through projectiles and pick foes off the ground. Choose me so we can send these sinners back where they belong.  Hawkeye Great Lakes Avengers assemble! Clint here. I can’t let Cap have all the glory now can I? I may not have any *real* powers but I can hang with the best of’em thanks to my legendary archery skills and bottomless bag of trick arrows. I can attack the opponent no matter where they are on the screen and keep’em pinned until they’re down for good. This leader of Avengers B-teams is great for players that like to play keep-away.  Iron Fist Lee, Long, Mishima.. they're great and all, but in case you haven't heard, Rand is the real king of the Iron Fist. Name's Danny, and if you thought one-inch punches and rekkas were sick, try punching a dragon in the loving heart. Ever since then, I've been keepin it straight Goku with my chi powerups: damage, defense, meters, whatever you need. Just cover me while I get in, and I'll take care of the rest.  Nova OH YEAH IT’S ON NOW!!!! Alright ladies *sniff* the name’s Richard Rider (DO NOT call me Dick!) and I’m coming straight outta the Milky Way and I’m bringing the FIRE! I might look like a copy of that armored MORON or that kermit the frog looking DUMBASS but don’t be fooled, I’ve got my own sick style! If you hurt me you then BY GOD you better kill me otherwise I’m BRINGING THE PAIN RIGHT BACK TO YA!!! I can use all my red life *sniff* to power up moves like my AEGIS REFLECTOR SHIELD and my GIANT LASER SUPER!! Plus I got these sweet charging moves that send me across the screen and PUNCH THOSE FUCKHEADS IN THE FACE! YEAH!!! Pick me if you want to plow through projectiles and TAKE ‘EM DOWN! poo poo my nose is bleeding again...  Rocket Raccoon Oi, down here ya simpleton! Name’s Rocket Raccoon, and me Chinas and I is gonna leave Farmer Giles of bodies in our wake! Like a proper vermin I can burrow underground to avoid the rubbish the enemies toss at me. I can fly through the air using my famous Rocket Skates, shoot losers and blast off grenades, traps, and me grease gun. Pick me if you love causing pain but hate getting hit!  Frank West http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nMsYlGPweg  Nemesis ….....stars.......rrrrrrraaaaAAAAAAGGHH  Phoenix Wright Judge: Today's defendant has been brought in on a quite severe charge: “Wrongful impersonation of a fighting game character.” Defendant, how do you plead? Phoenix Wright: Not guilty, Your Honor! Judge: Prosecutor, you may begin the questioning. Edgeworth: As you wish, Your Honor. Phoenix Wright, today is not the first time you've been on the wrong side of the defendant's table. You've been involved in several murder cases before, and now you're trying to pass yourself off as a fighting game character? Ridiculous Phoenix Wright: OBJECTION! While it's true my games have never involved a lot of action, I myself have been involved in a fair share of physical altercations. This time around, I'm using my Investigation Mode to find pieces of evidence, weeding through the bad evidence and keeping the good. I can then switch to Courtroom Mode to present the good evidence, which in turn fires off a variety of projectiles for strange unexplained reasons. Judge: Hunting for evidence? Stance switches? This is all strange and confusing, and powerup gimmicks are pretty worthless to begin with. Phoenix Wright: HOLD IT! Some people said the same thing about Phoenix's low life and requirement of 5 meters to enter Dark Phoenix mode, and look how that turned out! As for your other complaint, each slot of evidence is tied to one of the three main attack buttons. Hunting for evidence or throwing out bad evidence is done with Attack+S in Investigation Mode, and presenting good evidence is done the same way in Courtroom Mode. No fancy joytstick motions necessary! Maya: Nick! Don't forget that I can help buy you time with my Maya Shield, or OTG opponents with my anime girl powers of falling down! Edgeworth: That's all well and good, but at the end of the day it sounds like you're just gathering evidence for the sole purpose of unlocking projectiles of questionable use. If I wanted to use bad projectiles, I would just spam Chris's prone shot forever. Phoenix Wright: There's more to this case than you expect, Edgeworth: When I have three pieces of good evidence in Courtroom Mode and land my “Objection!” command normal, I enter Turnabout Mode, where I now have access to huge ground bouncing and wall bouncing finger-pointing normals and my level 3 hyper, a 600k unscaled zero frame hyper that hits anywhere, even off the ground! TAKE THAT! Finally, if it pleases the court, my assists include a full screen low-hitting dog and also a multi-hitting paper-reading walk which becomes fully invincible in Turnabout Mode. Judge: I think I've heard enough to reach a verdict. On the charge of “Wrongful impersonation of a fighting game character, I declare the defendant N O T G U I L T Y! Maya: Hooray! Now that that's over with, Nick, let's go eat some burgers!  Strider Hiryu Dear Victor, We’ve been apart for 8 months now, and I know you must miss me as much as I miss you. I know I refused to join you and Sentinel in MvC3 once I saw x-factor, but the pain of being away from you has become to great to bear. I see that your rocks assist does less chip, so I’ve improved my techniques and machines to pick up the slack. My previously useless moves have all been improved as well. I also have two very useful assist moves: A full Screen Wall bounce (Gram) and a Teleporting attack that will hit the enemy anywhere on the screen (Vajra). This way, even if you have to fight on point, I’ll always be by your side. My Orbs super is a level 3 now, but it lasts longer and can kill any character in X-Factor. When we’re together again, no one will stop us. Here’s to 10 more years of beautiful synergy. -Strider Hiryu  Vergil <+ShadowNinja64> "I hate my brother and I'm cool and have a katana" <+ShadowNinja64> "also I want power look at my katana and my magical summoned swords"  Heroes and Heralds is a new gameplay mode set to be released as free DLC some time after the release of UMvC3 (no, we don't know when). It seems to exist primarily as a way of expanding the casual side of the game, and folds a little trading-card-game flavor into the MvC experience (with a dash of Soul Calibur's conquest mode). You choose to fight using either a team of Heroes defending the Earth from Galactus, or as Galactus's ostensibly evil "Heralds." The mode focuses on unlocking new abilities and upgrades via a large number of "cards," then winning fights to take over territories on a global map. If you've ever thought it would be cool if they tried adding parrying to MvC3, or wished Jill's damage wasn't so goddamned embarrassing, you might find that H&H will be a fun little sandbox. H&H is playable online and offline: the online mode takes the form of a weekly online war between factions, and each fight you win earns you a new ability card. In addition to new content, there have been quite a few balance changes made in response to player feedback on vanilla's gameplay...  Aside from character-specific balance adjustments, some broader changes have been made to UMvC3's game engine over vanilla's. Here are the most prominent changes and some thoughts about their potential impact on the game.
Of course, in addition to these engine changes, there are a whole slew of...  This changelog was compiled from a variety of sources: some of it is official from Capcom, some is based on observations from players, and some is taken from other forums. I've tried to omit anything that seemed speculative or dubious, but if you have evidence to suggest that something here is inaccurate (or you notice something that's missing), post about it and I'll amend the log. The forums don't allow you to name anchors within a post (gently caress you radium), so instead we're gonna do this GameFAQs style. Hit ctrl+f and search the applicable term for each character to see their list of known changes.      ~*CapAm ~*Hulk ~*Storm ~*Dorm     ~*Dpool ~*Tony ~*Skrull ~*MODOK     ~*Doom ~*Mags ~*Task ~*Thor     ~*Jean ~*Sent ~*Shulk ~*Spidey    ~*Wolv ~*Shuma ~*X-23      ~*Akuma ~*Dog ~*Artie ~*Chris     ~*Chun ~*Dante ~*Cat ~*Mike     ~*Hsien ~*Jill ~*Morr ~*Ryu     ~*Spenc ~*Trish ~*Tron ~*Joe    ~*Viper ~*Wesk ~*Zero Trykt posted:
Addendum to the above: tournaments suck without prizes. Therefore, the winner of each tournament will receive the forum upgrade of their choosing (av cert, platinum upgrade, archives access, etc.), generously provided by LightningKimba and Zexerous. Sign up while you can! For more information about the basics of MvC3 (some of it perhaps slightly dated), see the first 3 posts of the old thread here. Brosnan fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Nov 14, 2011 |
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 ~*CapAm + Shield Slash specials are faster and have better recovery. + L Shield Slash now hits OTG and it is possible to combo a super after it or relaunch. + Double jump has returned! + M/H versions of Charging Star now cause an untechable soft knockdown and their horizontal knockback increased. + Damage for assists β and γ has been increased. + Cartwheel is now invincible during startup . + Hyper Charging Star can be mashed for more hits/damage. - Medium and Hard Charging Stars have had their damage reduced. - Shield Slash inflicts less untechable time. - Opponents recover faster from knockdown after Hyper Charging Star.  ~*Dpool + All ground normals can be cancelled into taunt. + Deadpool throws now cause longer knockdown time. + Quick Work is now Team Hyper Cancelable. + All specials can now be canceled into Teleport. + Chimichangas! can be activated from Quick Work. + Happy Happy Trigger can be mashed for more hits/damage. - Mad Wheel (Overhead) cannot be canceled anymore. - Bolo Loop is removed through various changes to the Bolo trap: * H.Ninja Gift floats lower. * H.Ninja Gift causes longer opponent incapacitation. * Incapacitation time from H. Ninja Gift decreases with combo length.  ~*Dorm + Zoning specials start up and recover faster + Dark Matter (f+H) can be canceled into teleport and Dark Spells now. In fact, Dark Matter can pretty much be special canceled into any of Dormammu's special moves. + Increased the pushback on both of his ground Light Attacks + Possible improvements to dash (longer backdash, faster dash speed). + Ground throw now causes hard knockdown. Air throws will always do a hard knockdown now. + Ground chains can now go up to 3 hits. + c.L chains into c.H, giving Dormammu a universal hit-confirm on all characters. + Dark Spells can now be charged while airborne. You can only charge one per jump, and you're in recovery until landing. Doing so causes a stop in momentum similar to using Dark Hole in the air. + Liberation (2 red, 1 blue) in the air causes him to teleport to the ground and then perform the release, and has been changed in several ways: * Active from the 1st frame now, i.e., getting hit during startup will not prevent it from coming out. * Causes untechable knockdown * Rocks come out slower * Rock damage has been increased + Can now attack out of down-back airdash. + Chaotic Flame can be mashed for more hits/damage. - Flame Carpet appears slightly further out on use. Flame Carpet disappears when Dorm is hit. - Reduced hitstun on c.M  ~*Doom + j.H (pew pew) is faster and has a bigger hit box. + Forward throw causes hard knockdown. + j.S moves faster vertically. + j.S causes a sort of bouncy hard knockdown (you can OTG for full combo follow-up, but it's not technically a ground bounce). Can be canceled into Flight to go into M&M combos, from jump or superjump. + Photon Array and Doom Time can be mashed for more hits/damage. - Photon Shots in the air have fewer frames.  ~*Hulk + New charge move: Incredible Punch -- charges up a straight punch which has some super armor and wall bounces on hit. Can follow up with OTG move/assist. Does damage on block and can be cancelled out of while charging into any of his specials (even command throw). Easily chainable from a variety of L/M normals. + Gamma Charge has higher priority. + Ground Gamma Charge has super armor. Second charge pops opponents up higher. + Medium version of anti-air Gamma Charge's second charge causes wall bounce. + Gamma Wave's charge time decreased. + Gamma Tornado's damage increased to 200K  ~*Tony + Speed increased on ground unibeam. + Repulsor Blast/Spread activate faster. + Commands input during Repulsor Blast are fixed on the direction Iron Man is facing (prevents you from crossing yourself up with reversed inputs). + Repulsor Spread now causes hard knockdown (can follow up with Smart Bomb -> Proton Cannon). + Repulsor Spread is now done by just hitting H after Repulsor Blast. + Total frames for ground Smart Bombs reduced and damage increased. + Air normals are now cancelable into dashes, allowing new flight/dash cancel combos à la Magneto. + Flight cancel is faster. + H and j.S hitboxes improved. + c.H is now special cancelable, even into flight. + c.H now chains into S, making ground series much easier. + Proton Cannon and Iron Avenger can be mashed for more hits/damage. +/- Damage scaling seems to have been tweaked. Scaling has been reduced on normals, but increased on specials. - Repulsor Spread has lower priority. - Opponents can tech sooner after Smart Bomb hits than before. - Triangle jump/air dash mechanics reworked: air dashes now have "acceleration" time, which essentially nerfs Iron Man's trijump game to balance out his improvements in other areas. - Double jump removed (combos are more likely to be based on flight/dash cancels now).  ~*Mags + New moves: Fatal Attraction, Repulsion, and Reverse Polarity. Used to control opponent's movement on the screen (pull them toward you, push them away, or keep them in place, respectively). - Air dash speed reduced. Slightly affects some midscreen ROM combos. Triangle jumps are slightly slower. - J.H pushes enemies away more and combined with the dash reduction, combos are harder to do. Grav loop still works in the corner but you get less repetitions. Other fly cancel/air dash loops like the Magnetic Blast loops aren't as reliable or just may not be possible anymore. - st.H no longer causes untechable knockdown. - Total frames for L. and M. Disruptor have been increased, and blockstun decreased. Still really good, but less abuseable. - Magnetic Tempest no longer has invulnerability on start up. + Magnetic Tempest and Gravity Squeeze can be mashed for more hits/damage.  ~*MODOK + Air normals can be canceled into air dashes. + Killer Illumination can be mashed for more hits/damage.  ~*Jean - Health reduced from 420,000 to 375,000 (lol). Mags level 3 will now kill Phoenix from full health. - Air TK Shot prevents any further actions in that jump. No more multiple fireballs, no more fireball into teleport. * You can still do two actions per flight, so air H shot --> teleport works if you're in flight mode first. - Air H Shot seems to have longer start up and slower recovery. Air M Shot is pretty much the same. Air L Shot has faster recovery. - TK Shots and Traps disappear if Phoenix is hit. - c.M range slightly decreased. - Teleporting from flight mode no longer maintains flight post-teleport, removing her ability to do nearly-invisible instant overheads from teleport.  ~*Sent + Overall speed (rocket punch recovery, c.M recovery, etc.) seems to be increased. + Plasma Storm can be mashed for more hits/damage. +/- When drone assist hits from behind the opponent, knockback is reversed as well so that they will be knocked towards the point character. - Sentinel drones have been sped up and are now a true block string. - Launcher property changed from Hyper Armor to Super Armor. - Opponent can tech more quickly after Rocket Punch (makes air combo -> L Rocket Punch -> HSF less reliable). - Health rounded down to 900K  ~*Shulk + New move: Savage Swing, causes wall bounce on impact. Has considerable start up and recovery, but can be canceled into Runner stance for follow-up options. + Emerald Cannon now makes her jump forward a bit. Easier to connect after a DHC. + If no commands are input for a moment after Runner's Start, a Chariot with super armor properties can be activated. + Hitting an airborne opponent with Clothesline causes a wall bounce (allows new combo options after OTG Torpedo). + Torpedo from Runner's Start transitions faster. + Clothesline from Runner's Start transitions faster. + Taking Out the Trash can be mashed with the directional inputs (spin the stick) for more damage. +/- She Hulk is a "heavier character" now, i.e. she drops faster from the air, etc. - Opponent is knocked away farther when hit by Torpedo. - c.H slide distance reduced. - c.L cannot be rapid-fire canceled into itself.  ~*Shuma + Normal throw now steals opponent's health and super meter. + Devitilization has faster start up. +/- Knockdown properties on jumping S have been changed. j.S is now untechable and OTG property has been removed. + Hyper Mystic Smash and Chaos Dimension can be mashed for more hits/damage.  ~*Spidey + Web Glide travels faster than before. + Web Glide can OTG. + All specials can now be canceled into Web Glide. + Crawler Assault causes untechable knockdown, and can be followed up with Web Glide OTG -> Maximum Spider. + Total frames for Crawler Assault have been decreased. + Can now do air Web Swing from ground Web Swing. + Web Throw properties changed; now easier to follow up with Maximum Spider. + Crawler Assault can be mashed for more hits/damage. + Ultimate Web Throw can be mashed with the directional inputs (spin the stick) for more damage. +/- Ultimate Web Throw attack direction has been changed to the side. - Web Throw is now subject to damage scaling.  ~*Storm + New moves: Fair Wind and Foul Wind. Pulls opponents toward you or pushes them away, respectively. Slower than Magneto's, but with greater effect in terms of movement. Also useable on opponents who are knocked down. + All supers can be mashed for more hits/damage.  ~*Skrull + Stone Dunk hitbox increased. + Meteor Smash can now be done in the air. + Death Penalty now automatically brings you to the opponent. + Orbital Grudge super armor activates faster. + Inferno can be mashed for more hits/damage. +/- Orbital Grudge floats opponents higher  ~*Task + New move: Sting Master. Can be linked after Shield Charge. + Web Swing can be canceled into specials and supers. + All Legion Arrow supers can be mashed for more hits/damage. +/- Shield Charge knockback increased, but opponent float reduced. - Decreased minimum damage scaling on his normals and supers. - H. Aim Master float reduced, impairing Taskmaster's ability to do long combos with his own OTG relaunches. - Legion Arrow damage now scales properly in combos. Raw damage on the super itself is the same, but you will see a substantial difference in how much it does at the end of a combo now. - Aim Master damage decreased.  ~*Thor + Range on Mighty Hurricane (ground and air) increased. Active throw frames have been increased for all strengths. + Opponent's untechable time after Mighty Spark has increased. + Slightly larger hitboxes on L, j.L, Mighty Spark (Mjolnir itself, before the beam), and Mighty Smash. + Mighty Spark may have faster startup and more active frames. This, along with the increased hitbox on startup, makes it less safe to jump in on him. + Mighty Strike charges faster and total frames reduced, allowing combo follow-ups. + Reduced knockback for standing M. + Mighty Smash H charges faster. + Increased minimum damage scaling on all normals and specials. + Mighty Punish is invincible from the 1st frame, has increased advantage time, and has longer active throw frames. + Mighty Tornado can be mashed for more hits/damage.  ~*Wolv + All supers are mashable for more hits/damage. +/- New move: Berserker Charge (aka Swiss Cheese), done by rapidly pressing L. Can combo into a launcher with it, but interferes with bad players' ability to mash c.L looking for a hitconfirm (maybe intentionally). +/- Berserker Charge command input priority changed to the lowest among his supers (helps if you had issues with it coming out accidentally, I guess). - Berserker Slash invincibility has been removed. - Dive Kick hitbox reduced. It loses clean to some launchers and anti-airs now. - j.L hitbox reduced. May no longer be useable as an instant overhead.  ~*X-23 + Weapon X Prime has faster startup, such that X-23 can solo OTG into it. + Air specials can be canceled into Talon Attack. + Rage Trigger horizontal knockback increased. + Rage Trigger can be mashed for more hits/damage. +/- Crescent Scythe floats higher on hit. - Crescent Scythe untechable time on hit decreased.  ~*Akuma + Demon Flip can now be used in the air. This means that you can end air series with demon flip M for an easy ground bounce -> relaunch. + All supers can be mashed for more hits/damage. - Tatsu has lower priority and greater horizontal knockback. - Tatsu assist is no longer a soft knockdown, so it's a bit more difficult to extend combos with it (no more easy Besties combos). - Light Tatsu can't be death-chained in XF3 anymore. - Health slightly lowered to 750k.  ~*Dog + Can switch weapons in the air now. + Increased active frames of c.M. + Increased active frames of charged Thunder Edge. + Sword portion of Glaive Chop causes knockdown. + Divine Instruments (L3) super can be mashed for more hits/damage. - Decreased untechable time of Assist β (Cold Star). - Decreased hit stun time on all normal attacks (L,M,H). - Decreased hit box size of M and c.M.  ~*Artie + Health increased to 850,000. + j.S fall speed increased (makes OTG after air series easier, and helps him start combos more easily, in case you decide to do a combo with Arthur). + j.S can OTG. + Added startup invincibility to Heavenly Slash. + Increased untechable time for first hit of Hellbound Slash. + Projectiles seem to have faster startup. + Goddess' Bracelet can be mashed for more hits/damage.  ~*Chris + Can act immediately after a dash (i.e. now has a proper wavedash). + Decreased startup of j.S and increased active frames. + Normal gun moves are now empty cancelable into other specials. E.G., you can now OTG c.H into Magnum shot easily. + Decreased gap of Prone Shot. + Machinegun portion of Sweep Combo can OTG. + Increased active frames of Shot Gun. + Minimum damage scaling on specials has been increased. +/- c.H floats opponents higher. - Decreased damage on Shot Gun. - Decreased untechable time of first hit of Combination Punch H.  ~*Chun + New move: EX Spinning Bird Kick. Comes out instantly and has invincibility (similar to EX SBK in SF4), but has to be charged. L/M/H versions. + M and c.M can be jump canceled. + Can now act after Air Tenshokyaku recovery. + Lowered arc of Air Tenshokyaku L. + Increased untechable time from last hit of Tenshokyaku. + Slightly increased priority of Hyakuretsukyaku. + Yosokyaku can OTG. + Kikoanken is easier to perform. + Kikosho hyper can be mashed for more hits/damage.  ~*Viper + New move: Optic Laser. Charged with attack buttons (like Zero's Mega Buster). Can only be released on the ground. Super cancelable. + Increased feint input timing slightly for L and M versions of Thunder Knuckle. - Slightly decreased forward moving range of Thunder Knuckle M. - Untechable time from Thunder Knuckle H decreases with combo length.  ~*Dante + Commands that were performed through repetitive joystick motions can now be done with a single additional button press (no more rekkas). + During Devil Trigger, Dante can now triple jump and double air dash. + Million Dollars can be mashed for more hits/damage. +/- Increased knockback for all moves (makes timing for many combos more strict). +/- Adjusted histun time and float heights for all moves. - Increased invicibility frame startup on The Hammer, and decreased total invincibility frames. - Decreased minimum damage scaling on all normals and specials. - Hitboxes decreased on L and M (makes L a weaker anti-air). - Decreased float of Clay Pigeon. - Decreased cancel time during startup of Bold Move. - Decreased damage of Volcano-Beehive, and slightly increased horizontal knockback.  ~*Cat + Delta Kick can be done in the air. + Third hit of Air Delta Kick causes ground bounce. + Sand Splash can OTG. + Decreased total frames of Sand Splash (all versions). + Dancing Flash can be mashed for more hits/damage. + Please Help Me can be mashed for more hits/damage. +/- Rolling Buckler no longer automatically tracks opponent's position. - Toy Touch is now subject to hitstun decay. - Decreased total frames of Kitty's Helper  ~*Mike + c.H causes knockdown and can OTG. + Haggar falls faster after an air throw. + Now has some start up invincibility on Rapid Fire Fist. + Rapid Fire Fist can be mashed for more hits/damage. + Final Haggar Buster can be mashed for more hits/damage via joystick rotation. - Assist α (Double Lariat) has a few frames of vulnerability during startup now. Still beats out most things, but will lose to stuff like beam supers. - Double Lariat assist is now only a soft knockdown. Still causes hard knockdown on point.  ~*Hsien + Reduced startup of c.M and decreased active frames. + Jump attacks cause slightly less float. + Rantetsu can chain combo into Edoga. + Increased untechable time from Edoga. + Some players noted that her damage scaling and startup on some moves seems improved, making gong loops and combos easier. +/- New projectiles added to the randomized pool for Anki Hou: * Oil drum. No special effect. * Hunk of meat. No special effect. * Samurai doll/cat doll. Causes stagger. * Chris's stun rod. Causes electrified stagger. * Snowman. Causes fake freeze effect, à la Ammy's Cold Star.  ~*Jill +/- All attacks float a little higher. - Slightly decreased forward moving range of cr.M. - Slightly reduced hit box sizes of all jumping attacks. - Seth hinted in interviews that Mad Beast is being tweaked for the worse, but no specifics are known.  ~*Morr + New move: Soul Drain. Fireball that steals about 1/3 of opponent's meter. Has a long startup, making it unrealistic to use in combos. + j.H, j.S priority has been slightly increased. + Increased frame advantage after all her throws. + Increased damage of Soul Fist. + Increased untechable time on hit from Soul Fist. + Astral Vision is much faster on startup. Clone's Soul Drain fireball DOES steal meter as well as your own. + Finishing Shower has faster startup, faster missile travel speed, and you can control their trajectory much more than before. E.G., you can swerve them up, then down on top of a crouching opponent, as opposed to the slight slant from vanilla. + Minimum height/frames for her airdashes has been decreased; allows better rushdown and mixup opportunities at close range. - Soul Fist is now subject to hitstun deterioration. - Decreased overall frames during flight mode  ~*Ryu + New moves: Ren Hadouken, Baku Hadouken, Hado Shoryuken. * Baku Hadouken (qcf+S) can be charged by holding S. Essentially a powered-up fireball: at full charge, it moves instantly across the screen and causes wallbounce. At medium charge, hard knockdown. At low charge, won't make it full-screen. * Ren Hadouken (qcf+SSSSSS) is a variation that allows you to stream fireballs by continuing to mash S. * Hado Shoryuken (srk+S) can also be charged, similar to his new fireball. Has better anti-air properties than standard SRK and shoots a vertical fireball at the end (sorry, Cyclops fans). + New super: Hadou Kakusei. * Buffs the gently caress out of Ryu for a very short period (~5 sec). * All his supers become supercharged while in this mode: shinkuu hadouken bounces off walls, shinkuu tatsumaki senpuukyaku becomes a huge tornado, etc. * His movement speed increases, and his standard hadouken gains extremely high durability. * Buffs remain in place upon tagging out. + Can act immediately after a dash, allowing true wavedashing and easier followup after wall bounce. + Collarbone Breaker is now cancelable (so you can combo an overhead into a launcher). + Minimum damage scaling on normals increased. + All versions of his hadouken and tatsu supers can be mashed for more hits/damage.  ~*Spenc + New move: Bionic Bomber. An air move that drops him down and OTGs, allowing for combo followups (because Spencer needed more ways to do that). + Increased movement speed of Zip Line. + Slightly decreased initial startup of Armor Piercer. +/- Spencer will float higher during Zip Kick.  ~*Trish + Chain combo M -> c.M -> c.H or H is now possible. + Low Voltage projectiles have faster startup. + Air Maximum Voltage now hits OTG. + Maximum Voltage can be mashed for more hits/damage. - Can perform Hopscotch, Peekaboo, and Round-Trip only once each per jump. - Decreased total frames of Air Raid.  ~*Tron + Increased down time from normal throw. + Servbot Launcher can be rapid-fired up to three times in a row. + Can cancel out of Bandit Boulder after throwing the rocks. + Increased minimum damage scaling of special attacks. + Fixed Bonne Mixer and Shakedown Mixer so they can come out on an empty cancel. + King Servbot can be mashed for more hits/damage. + Shakedown Mixer can be mashed for more hits/damage via joystick rotation. +/- Gustaff Fire assist has been nerfed, and is now vulnerable on startup. On point, however, it's now bufferable/cancelable, so you can launch from it. +/- Lowered float of ground Bonne Strike. - j.H causes greater knockback (makes it harder to hitconfirm into combo). Can still follow up if you land drill after it. - Air Bonne Strike and the first part of Bandit Boulder are now subject to hitstun deterioration.  ~*Joe + New move: V-Dodge. Full invincibility, but has vulnerability on recovery, so canceling it into specials or supers is the idea. + Reduced hit box while in the air. + Increased priority on j.S. + Slightly increased range of ground normal throws. + Air Desperado can now hit OTG. + Reduced total frames of Shocking Pink. + Shocking Pink will not explode when sliding between buttons and it cannot be juggled. + Mach Speed hyper can be mashed for more damage/hits.  ~*Wesk + Damage and speed increase as his sunglasses get damaged. Roughly, sunglasses cracked = +5% speed, +10% damage; sunglasses broken = +10% speed, +15% damage. Glasses reset to normal after Phantom Dance or tagout. + Decreased startup of j.M. + Phantom Move can be performed after Cobra Strike. + Decreased startup time of Jaguar Dash and increased active frames. + Increased damage of Jaguar Kick. + Increased hitbox of Tiger Uppercut L and M. + Opponent cannot tech after wall bounce from Tiger Uppercut M and H. + Increased invincibility frame startup of Rhino Charge. + Additional damage scaling is added after a successful Rhino Charge, so damage is decreased more on extra hits. + Lost in Nightmares can be mashed for more hits/damage. - Health decreased to 1,000,000. - Decreased float of Samurai Edge (Horizontal Fire). - Adjusted untechable time for all versions of Samurai Edge. Many combos involving gunshots have been altered or don't work anymore (including XF gun loop). Also makes it harder to follow up with combos after random air gunshot hits. - Backwards air throw pushes the opponent all the way to the corner making it harder to follow up  ~*Zero + Health increased to 830,000. + Can now cancel ALL specials into level 3 Buster. Allows him to self-OTG by doing Sentsuizan xx Buster. + Can charge his Buster before the fight starts. + Raikousen will go behind an opponent in the corner. + Angle changed on Sentsuizan H. Generally seems easier to relaunch with assists or use for ambiguous crossups. - Decreased hit stun time on all normals (L,M,H). - Applied a limit on the number of air Hyper Zero Blasters that can be done in one jump. - Level 3 Buster now causes soft knockdown (was hard knockdown previously). - Ground recovery time increased after Sentsuizan. - Slightly increased horizontal air knockback from Shippuga (makes Shippuga loop not really work anymore). - Sogenmu D-Loop is removed, as the moves come out quicker (doesn't OTG -> launch anymore.) 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Countblanc posted:You forgot to link the old OP. Oops. Thanks.
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Turns out I had the tourney info and link to the old thread saved in another text file. Fixed.
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Yeah, anybody who has played the game before tomorrow is banned from the tournament. Unless my copy comes today.
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chumbler posted:Is there every any reason you might want to choose the slide otg? Assuming it's like MvC2, orb requires two separate moves: one sonic boom to arm an orb, and another to actually launch it. If you don't have one charged before the combo, presumably you wouldn't have one available to OTG with.
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Cat Machine posted:I remember hearing pre-release that Akuma's demon flip OTG was gonna be harder to do, but I can't tell the difference. Anyone know if they backed down on that?? It's actually easier 'cause you can just do it in the air before he lands now.
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So, online is still lovely. Should make for a fun tourney. 
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I haven't had any matches that didn't have moderate to severe delay, green bars or not. Pretty much makes Jill unusable (well, more so than she already kind of is).
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Nov 16, 2011 03:20
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The results are in: GGs to all who played, and congrats to the winners. Things mostly went smoothly, aside from a few technical hiccups and Reckless and I failing to remember that losers finals are 3/5 (oops). See y'all next time!
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cams posted:Lessons: X23 secret top tier, Nova owns but I need to learn to fly cancel, Doctor Strange double beam assist is naaasty. Man it's way more this than anything else, Reckless and I were both raging over that poo poo. Stays on screen for*ever*, stupid easy to confirm into combo, hard to punish. It's just gross.
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Sex Vicar posted:'Grats to the winners, though it would be cool if someone could post the teams they were using. I think we neglected to record this for the most part, but the PS3 top three was: cams - X-23, Nova, Dr. Strange Brosnan - Jill, Akuma, Strider Reckless. - Wesker, Hawkeye, Spencer Edit: I also just realized cams and I should've played 3/5 as well. Durr. Brosnan fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Nov 16, 2011 |
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Jmcrofts posted:Can't most characters duck it? I imagine some could, but then you'd just eat the ensuing jump-in from the point char.
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Dren posted:I am really liking the buffs to fly that they gave sentinel. Vanilla sent has an awkwardly long time between fly and ability to act that is gone now. Sent's flight feels much faster and his flight combos are way easier. I pretty much dropped him as soon as I saw that L rocket punch xx HSF doesn't really work anymore. gently caress that noise.
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Of course they will. Also I live in norcal and have yet to attend any local tournies or even casuals. I should probably start doing that.
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The bay area is norcal. Actual Northern California is basically all Oregon as far as I'm concerned.
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Dre2Dee2 posted:Yeah, Nemesis just... sucks? His damage is nuts and he has sick resets. You just haven't seen anyone use them yet.
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Niddhogg posted:Agreed. Thor kicks rear end. I actually compared him to Thor on IRC, only hopefully not lovely.  btw why'd you duck the tourney??
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The Midniter posted:Phoenix Wright - Nick Pretty sure he knows that.
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Do you not have any useful assists?
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dorkasaurus_rex posted:What's a good fight stick for the PS3? The Fighting Game Thread IV: Arcade Edition posted:
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There are some pretty wonky balance decisions that I'm hoping to see worked out in a future patch (buffing Wesker and Spencer seems pretty loving bizarre to me).
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Why are you trying so hard to make it seem like your lovely reset is better than just killing a character in one combo? Is it an ego thing?
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Fellblade posted:A. Do 300k, reset, a guaranteed 50/50 chance to kill. "Guaranteed 50/50 chance" doesn't mean anything, but that aside, a pure 50/50 would be a beautiful reset, but that is not what he posted.
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duffath posted:I don't mind ultradavid. I'm quite happy to listen both him and chen when they commentate together, but chen definitely seems more friendly and endearing compared to Ultradavid is quite....well not humourless, but more straight-laced which means he's not as charismatic when he's commentating. The problem is Chen talks too goddamn much and needs someone who's louder and more excited than he is to shut him up when something exciting happens, whereas ultradavid will just let him finish his longwinded (and often wrong) explanation of what happened 10 seconds ago.
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They need to stop saying "reset" when someone just fucks up and drops a combo against someone who fails to block correctly.
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Bosushi! posted:Didn't one of the recent tournaments have an instant replay set up? Yes, some of them are starting to use it, and it's been pretty cool so far.
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Seizure Robot posted:buhhhhhhhhh tiers Ehh, more like: S: Dogface Justin Wong Yipes A: Seth Killian Jaha SkiSonic B: UltraDavid Spooky Chris Hu C: James Chen rear end: Mr. Quotes and MarlinPie Aris
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Teamspooky tonight is why Yipes is S-tier commentator.
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Wesker did get nerfed, he's just better than everyone else because of system changes and nerfs to other characters.
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You're defending playing on pad by saying you only fail DPs 20% of the time?
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Hopefully they'll at least manage to get a few major balance tweaks in, even if it's mostly gonna be bugfixes.
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And Sentinel wasn't really dominating vanilla to the degree that Wesker is right now.
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Zaa Boogie posted:So when has Wesker being all over the place at one event, that being NEC, suddenly turned into Wesker dominating UMvC3? You've got it backwards. Wesker was obviously dominant to anyone who played when the game came out, and then NEC proved it.
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Vajra assist is hard kd, not ground bounce. \/\/ I miss Cable. 
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Zombies' Downfall posted:So hey you or others doing this, what team order and other teammates have you been messing with? I know Strider anchor was a thing for lv 3 xf ouroboros but I'm weird about relying on an assist with that little health for two characters and even weirder playing without one. Seems pretty straightforward to me, just do x/Doom/Strider so you have a point char with 2 amazing assists, then if you lose him you still have Doom/Strider which owns, and either one of them makes for a killer anchor so if you do something stupid and lose your Strider, you're still in good shape.
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Frankly ( ) I think you basically have to build an entire team around Frank (or, for that matter, a completely separate team around Wright) to make him effective. Most of the good Frank setups I've seen so far involve doing a nice, long combo into Dante's million dollars so that you can get to at least level 4 off of your first hit. Frank is rear end at low levels, so if it takes you 2+ hits to make him useable, you should really be playing someone who's good from the first hit. Similarly, Wright basically has to be covered by assists that zone out well enough for him to enter Non lovely Character mode, otherwise there's not much point. Even if you somehow get Frank buffed up and use him to cover Wright, shopping cart is covering a zone that Wright can already cover effectively on his own, so it's sort of redundant. I recently started picking up Nova and rocking Nova/Strider/Jill, and so far it's pretty awesome. Grav pulse H with Vajra and javelins is deceptively good for pestering (and getting tagged by an errant projectile in between actually helps, since it means you get to have two Pulses active simultaneously), and anyone who gets tagged by a javelin or Strider while trying to jump in gets a hard KD -> free combo for Nova. I haven't really decided if I want to have Strider or Jill as anchor yet. Strider is great at it, but it's actually more fun to play him on point than anchor, and XF gives Jill the damage she needs to actually be worth a poo poo. Brosnan fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Dec 8, 2011 |
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She-Hulk was a lot better in vanilla than Frank is now.
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Lothire posted:Managed to run Strider during that time and I'm kinda torn on the guy. I love his teleports and wall climb for mixing stuff up. Thing is, once I've gotten a hit in, I can't seem to do very much. His health is so low that I lose him in one combo/dhc. That zoo super takes forever to come out so I gotta slow my magic series air combo to a snails pace. Plus it doesn't even do all that much damage. I guess I'm suppose to work up getting to 3 meters before he can dish out a solid hit? I should probably drop him to second place in that case. You need to work on your combos then. Legion hits OTG, but it takes some finesse to do stuff that will ensure it hits. You should actually be doing his air series fast, so a bnb looks like this: During the second air series, you have to doublejump after the MM (before HS). Strider's doublejump causes him to fall faster than a standard jump, and if you don't do this, you won't land early enough for legion to connect. You should also practice getting this off a grab, since it gives you some good damage to tack on and also it's really fun to do once you have it down: Alternatively, you can do dash-up, S after landing S formation instead of wallcling and do an air exchange combo. But that's not as cool.
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Good effort by Knives at least. I was real hype at 3-3.
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