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StabbinHobo
Oct 18, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Don't worry guys, peak oil is going to cut our emissions far faster than we could ever convince people to do voluntarily. Its just we've got another two decades of burning every last thing we can get our hands on to power through first.

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StabbinHobo
Oct 18, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Buffer posted:

Science journalism is almost uniformly horrible. I think because in Science there is a right answer(we may not know it, but there is one), and journalism isn't about presenting a right answer so much as it's about presenting a controversy or establishing a narrative.

So as a result, even if the climate science community is 99% behind something, all the data lines up for that conclusion, etc. the stories tend to be of the "let's ask a republican and a democrat about this" style. Both of the aforementioned talking heads will probably be lawyers who haven't had a science class since their gen ed reqs in undergrad, and are in no way equipped to offer any opinion at all. Which is just recklessly irresponsible.

Add in that the Republican party is 99% full of reactionaries beholden to large corporate interests and the Democrats are about 90% in the same boat and there is just no way to get an informed public out the other end of that. And that's not even getting into the horrid intersection of religion and ideology and science, or the reliance of the media on ad revenue from those same interests.
You way overestimate the power of psuedo journalism. The hack writers are not convincing people there is a controversy, they are writing there is a controversy because that's what their readers like to hear.

StabbinHobo
Oct 18, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
for frame of reference, "extremetech.com" is one of the worst offenders on the internet in taking optimistic grad student quotes and turning them into viral science-article sensations.

honestly the fact that it wasted a few pages of this thread is like... how f'n gullible are people

StabbinHobo
Oct 18, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
jesus loving christ this thread is on a 5 page loop

StabbinHobo
Oct 18, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Anosmoman posted:

I guess we won't know until a few years time when it's up and running but how significant would it be if it actually works as claimed?

for context, here's a chart from page 12 of this thing: http://refman.et-model.com/publications/1726/download/IRENA_201205_Electricity%20Storage%20and%20RE%20for%20Island%20Power.pdf?1349946053



Isentropic is claiming a $35/MWh ($0.035/kWh) LCOE, so its more expensive than pumped hydro or compressed, but cheaper than flow batteries. Isentropic also claims to be cheaper than pumped hydro though, there is probably room for disagreement on everybodys numbers.

The key point from the article is:

quote:

1.5MW/6MWh energy storage device that will operate on a UK primary substation owned by Western Power Distribution (WPD) in the Midlands. It is hoped that once tested, it could be rolled out across the UK where there are approximately 5,000 substations with a suitable power range of between 12MW and 24MW

This basically helps in two ways:
- provides an extra ~10% capacity at the end of transmission lines without having to upgrade them
- provides a buffer that will allow for a much greater % of overall capacity to come from intermittent renewables (wind/solar) without risking outages

StabbinHobo
Oct 18, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Excelsiortothemax posted:

Is there anything being developed that takes the carbon out of the air? If C02 PPM keep going up, wouldn't it make sense to make something that removes it from the air?

there is constant research, but nothing has broken through to commercialization

here's two stories just from last week:
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2014/12/20141204-tunims.html
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2014/12/20141203-toshiba.html

the navy has a system going for taking it out of seawater:
http://www.nrl.navy.mil/media/news-releases/2012/fueling-the-fleet-navy-looks-to-the-seas

but, it works via having a spare nuke gen laying around

StabbinHobo
Oct 18, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Friendly Tumour posted:

Yeah, but it's not a proposition that's ever going to be tenable to the voting public. The political divide that we're stuck with has two sides, neither of which is willing to make sacrifices for the greater good. The right doesn't want to give up fossil fuels, the environmentalists don't want to give up their opposition to nuclear and GMO.

Personally I can't really see a way out.

imho popular/political opinion is basically a lagging indicator

as resource depletion marches on (at whatever rate you believe), eroei drops, and more of the transportation workload shifts to the grid, its going to become a very simple case of build more nukes or enjoy the brownouts

it will take very few consecutive months of brownouts, not even years, to flip popular opinion on nukes

StabbinHobo
Oct 18, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Pyroxene Stigma posted:

Yes nothing happened and it's all Arkane all the way down.

^ this but un-ironically

StabbinHobo
Oct 18, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
see this, imho, is the *real* climate change denial

on the internet: we should do something! millions will die, billions will suffer!
irl: I don't want to upset this one undergrad teaching chump at this one school because I might not get as good a grade

StabbinHobo
Oct 18, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

ANIME AKBAR posted:

What is this based on? I searched through the report and the only mention of variability basically handwaves furiously at it:
I have a feeling that a lot of people underestimate the challenge of innovating the grid to handle renewables. It's the biggest manmade thing on the planet, for gently caress's sake.

variability is going to be fun, because we are totally not going to get the planning right (we never do). we are going to crash headlong into outages and brownouts, which perversely will drive more people to setup solar and get batteries. not because the economics will make a ton of sense, but because cattle stampede.

StabbinHobo
Oct 18, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
first of all gently caress 80% of you for the last few pages about having children

DoctorDilettante thank you for the thing about the volcano in 91

awhile back someone asked about book recommendations: Tropic of Chaos is really poorly written but to me was very informative about the reality of how much climate change is already impacting things *today*. for instance, three of the places that have already been worst hit by drought/erratic-weather are afghanistan/northern-pakistan, ethiopia/somalia, and yemen. spot the pattern?

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StabbinHobo
Oct 18, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
the only way capitalism survives is if it figures out a way to almost completely decouple from physical goods and labor

at which point its just going to turn into some kind of live auction bidding/lottery system for your dope-iv

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