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I find it hard to believe that people will willingly give up their luxuries, even in the face of disaster. At any point in time, they will always say that the cost is too much, and that their changes wouldn't make any difference. Any changes we make in the short term will make life significantly more unpleasant, and any benefit will be long off. You have to give cars, planes, cheap and reliable power, cheap products, most foods, and lots of other things we associate with a high quality of life. Things might get better in the long run as we learn to cope, but thats a maybe vs a certainty of a lowered standard of living now. The people who will most affected by climate change are the poorest, and thus those with the least power to change anything (since they have have the least to give up). If we are posting our favorite depression inducing links http://energybulletin.net/ http://www.postcarbon.org/ http://fateoftheworld.net/ http://transitionus.org/
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Krabsworth posted:So what? Can we hope all the protests around the world turn into civilization destroying revolutions? Factories come to a stand still as we destroy each other in the streets because we have no food, etc.? I realize things are going to get bad, but something comforts me that at least some humans will survive this, we'll just be in smaller numbers, right? Its probably likely that we'll mostly all survive, just in an increasingly polluted and unstable world.
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I consider myself an environmentalist in that I care about the long term preservation of environmental systems. I have absolutely no sympathy for the arguments put forth for industrial apologists. At the same time, I basically have no desire to engage with the environmentalist left. Partly it is the reflexive anti-nuclear position, but also there are just so many cranks who engage with magical thinking about just everything. I've seen ostensibly environmentally oriented groups obsessed with anti-wifi and anti vaccine mania, and I find the whole permaculture/local food movements to be unwilling to engage the scale of modern civilization. I'm not sure how to connect with these people without turning away in disgust.
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May 16, 2012 03:08
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lapse posted:I was going through my old poo poo and found a cool chart that shows the relative scale of different power sources and what we use the energy on. Those come from here. https://flowcharts.llnl.gov/
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Jul 28, 2012 15:26
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McDowell posted:Who has an economic interest in climate change denial? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNdhFi3MHZQ
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Oct 16, 2012 03:18
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Time to plant more white daisies.
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Nov 29, 2012 03:15
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Countdown until someone unironically proposes nuclear winter as a solution.
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Dec 11, 2012 03:04
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Lawman 0 posted:I wish I was kidding. I'm aware of that. I want to see people propose going all out nuclear.
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The most realistic way to terraform mars is ~~~~~~~~~~======Space wizards======~~~~~~~~~~~ Discussion of terraforming other planets is a joke to ignore the destruction of the one we have.
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